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[275 GTB-4]

How strange. The photos of the car in the MN rally report show it with the blue/green Austin Rover stickers on the headlights, as in your photo.

I really don't care...just want to hear one in all its anger again

[arttidesco]

want to hear one in all its anger again

x2, but next time from a slightly safer viewing position

[275 GTB-4]

x2, but next time from a slightly safer viewing position

Hah! getting old are we?....slippers, pipe, comfy chair, fireside and leather elbowed cardigan at hand

[arttidesco]

Hah! getting old are we?....slippers, pipe, comfy chair, fireside and leather elbowed cardigan at hand

[RS2000]

just want to hear one in all its anger again

What? the anger at designing a car to the original draft regulations (no provision for "Evolution") only to see them changed to favour other (turbo) cars with built in evolution potential the 6R4 lacked.

[RobertC]

RAC Rally, 1975 Harewood, if I remember correctly one Porsche 911


scans00022 by Robert Clayson, on Flickr

and slightly off topic another 911 at the European Rallycross at Lydden


scans00074 by Robert Clayson, on Flickr

[Tim Murray]

RAC Rally, 1975 Harewood, if I remember correctly one Porsche 911


scans00022 by Robert Clayson, on Flickr

Heinz-Walter Schewe and Peter Peterson in their Porsche Carrera

[bill p]

Some photos from the Pirelli Historic rally in Kielder forest at the weekend. Nostalgia in action!

Drew Wylie/Howard Pridmore Ford Escort Mk.1 2000

I now own the above car and it turns out to be an early "GNO Series" RS1600 that was used as a Demonstrator and later modified for rallying as an RS1600 and then fitted with an RS2000 engine in July 2002. Plans to fit the appropriate BDA engine are under way! Meanwhile some Sprints & Hillclimbs are scheduled for 2013



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Any further photos of GNO 468H would be apprecited especially when used as a Press Demonstrator - send a "PM" for my e-mail address

Thanks, Bill P

[sterling49]

Fabulous car Bill, particularly like that it is not arched. All the press photos of the time were of "GNO " series cars, of course, Essex registered.

Edited by sterling49, 08 March 2013 - 18:45.

[Gary C]

'I really don't care...just want to hear one in all its anger again'
Take a look at www.racrallydvd.com then!

[aitchman]

Picture taken during lunch halt of 1973 Tour of Dean. Who drove this car?

[RS2000]

Sorry, no entry list (and I still can't access the Dean site competitors data base).
Sandy Lawson had one in 72/3 (RAC, Scottish etc.) but the seeding seems too high for her. Mike Hibbert was entered in one on the 72 RAC, so he seems more likely for this.
Stanley Palmer ran one for a long time but not then I think. Dick Newsum entered 73 RAC in one but again seeding seems too high for him.

[aitchman]

Sorry, no entry list (and I still can't access the Dean site competitors data base).
Sandy Lawson had one in 72/3 (RAC, Scottish etc.) but the seeding seems too high for her. Mike Hibbert was entered in one on the 72 RAC, so he seems more likely for this.
Stanley Palmer ran one for a long time but not then I think. Dick Newsum entered 73 RAC in one but again seeding seems too high for him.

Mike Hibbert and Henry Lidden won the 1973 Tour of Dean in a Ford Escort.

[aitchman]

Another interesting car present at Yat Services during 1973 Tour of Dean, possibly Hibbert's Escort alongside.

My thanks to Nic Biddle for these forty year old pictures.

[Fred Gallagher]

Picture taken during lunch halt of 1973 Tour of Dean. Who drove this car?

Colin Barrell and Brian Rann according to the Autosport preview..... Ring any bells?

Fred

[aitchman]

Barrell and Rann listed in the event programme at No 20 but in a Ford Escort T/C UTP 800H

Must be a late change of car.

[RS2000]

Colin Barrell had TC UTP800H from at least the 1970 RAC I think, replacing Cortina GT DRV132C. Can't see any dealer/entrant shown on the DAF (but Barrell was from Bournemouth/Poole area?)(not the sort of car most would actually buy themselves!).
Can't recall him in a DAF, so maybe borrowed? Had a Sunbeam Lotus later? He was CofC of the Ringwood Forest Stages in 80s (a sort of Sunseeker Rally at a third of the cost...). I nearly hit a helicopter on that one year - it was hovering low beyond a blind brow to get shots of cars taking to the air over the crest but drifted too close.

[RS2000]

Same service area? 1972 Tour of Dean.

http://imageshack.us...853/dean72.jpg/]

[RS2000]

I now own the above car and it turns out to be an early "GNO Series" RS1600 that was used as a Demonstrator and later modified for rallying as an RS1600
Any further photos of GNO 468H would be apprecited especially when used as a Press Demonstrator - send a "PM" for my e-mail address
Thanks, Bill P

There's half a photo (the nearside!) of it on the grid at Oulton Park along with several other "GNOs" in the Osprey book "Ford Escort RS". No drivers and front angle doesn't show whether race numbers are applied. Headlights taped though and some sort of sticker on front wings. Ask AAGR: he wrote it - and has commented in it that the (Ford) photo was incorrectly captioned as TCs.

GNO475H was I think the first "demonstrator" to become a proper competition car, as Peter Warren's entry in the 1970 RAC Rally (the same event that saw the first homologated Group 2 works entry of an RS1600, for R.Clark)(works BDA engined TCs had previously appeared in Group 6).

GNO476H was on Richie Gatt's unregistered hillclimb Modprod class car in the early/mid 2000s (but he had no idea at the time of the number's significance or if it was genuine).

403.415,424,425 seem to have been TCs.
420,422,423,428,450,466,467,468,475 RS1600s.

[275 GTB-4]

'I really don't care...just want to hear one in all its anger again'
Take a look at www.racrallydvd.com then!

Thank you..looks good ;)

[bill p]

There's half a photo (the nearside!) of it on the grid at Oulton Park along with several other "GNOs" in the Osprey book "Ford Escort RS". No drivers and front angle doesn't show whether race numbers are applied. Headlights taped though and some sort of sticker on front wings. Ask AAGR: he wrote it - and has commented in it that the (Ford) photo was incorrectly captioned as TCs.

GNO475H was I think the first "demonstrator" to become a proper competition car, as Peter Warren's entry in the 1970 RAC Rally (the same event that saw the first homologated Group 2 works entry of an RS1600, for R.Clark)(works BDA engined TCs had previously appeared in Group 6).

GNO476H was on Richie Gatt's unregistered hillclimb Modprod class car in the early/mid 2000s (but he had no idea at the time of the number's significance or if it was genuine).

403.415,424,425 seem to have been TCs.
420,422,423,428,450,466,467,468,475 RS1600s.

RS2000, thank you for your research and information
Bill

[aitchman]

Another image from 1973 Tour of Dean.

Such a variety of cars entered, and as with a number of Tour of Dean rallies the entry list differed considerably from the list of starters.
This is No71 which on the entry list was Dennis Cardell in a Marina.

[Gary C]

lads, take a look : www.racrallydvd.com for 6R4's, Mantas, Quattro's etc etc

[DennisTobin]

QUOTE
OK, I had a look at AtlasF1. Just to explain my comment about the Aussie diff. In that era, all Falcons (except GTs) and Valiants, used rear axles made by Borg Warner. I think the BW code for the 6/8 cyl versions was 77 series, but I could be wrong on that. Anyway, BW also made axles for export and one was the 77 (?) series made for a Phillipino light truck called a Ford Fiera. These were the basis for the Escort rear end. They had a lot of mods including Detroit Locker centres, extra tubes in the axle housing and fully floating outer wheel bearings. The Atlas was OK, but it wasn't available in Australia, except in V6 Capris (IIRC) and they weren't all that common. Also, BW was about 2 minutes away in the same street we were in!!


There is another comment re the sale of IYK 000 and it's authenticity. Now this car originally came from the UK and was used as a pattern car as well as being driven by everyone. There are a couple of things I'd look for to see if it's a UK shell or an Aussie one that has been swapped. The mudguard flares were alloy, although they were pretty much gone in the lower parts from all the rocks hitting them. I think the best way to tell, would be to look on the passenger's floor and see if there is a hole there for a LHD steering column. The Australian built bodies didn't have this. Also, compare the rear shock turrets to another UK shell. The ones fabricated here, were different shapes, from memory. Apart from that, everything else would have been replaced anyway. It should be on 13" Minilites to make it look real, too.
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If my memory serves by right , was not IYK 100 the BDA purchased and rallied by Novocastrian Garry Burns, after Colin Bond. If so it spent time in my panelbeating workshop having the odd panel replaced after a number of "offs", Garry never lacked "ticker", but the end result was not always good. A particularly nasty high speed roll (in the early stages of a NSW or Australian Championship round) effectively destroyed the oringinal body shell. It sat for a long time before Garry reshelled it as per the orginal built plans. It was a mamoth task in a back yard shed.

[RS2000]

Time this thread was active again.

Does anyone have photos of the two works Cooper S (DJB92B and GRX310D) on the 1966 Swedish Rally (both retired early on). This is a serious enquiry linked to researching the history of another contemporary car, GRX309D from the Rally of the Flowers (that became the San Remo Rally).

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[PeteV]

On the 1965 Gulf London 'Jake' Sprinzel's co-driver was definitely Peter Marshall.

Attis Krauklis was a Latvian by nationality. What happened to him?

[group7]

not a personal photo, couldn't find a thread where this fit. the link identifies this as DJB93B. any ideas as to where this happened. in the one image it looks as if repairs are being undertaken.

 

http://club.caradisi..._n-5806497.html

 

click the arrows at top right of the image to enlarge. all looks a little hairy to me 

 

 

Mike (group7)

Edited by group7, 05 March 2016 - 02:34.

[Tim Murray]

I think this can only be the 1965 Acropolis Rally where the car, driven by Timo Makinen and Paul Easter, suffered a catalogue of disasters until it finally retired just one stage from the finish. Here's the story, as told by TNFer AAGR in his book Mini Cooper/Mini Cooper S:

... the Mini had led the event for many hours until it finally lay down and died. First the exhaust system fell off (co-driver Paul Easter stowed it in the car), then a smell of burning told them the carpets were on fire. Rubber drive shaft joints needed replacing while the car was on a ferry crossing (with the car tipped on its side ... ), then the rear sub-frame began to break up; the sump shield was holed ... Later, there was a fire when the car was being welded while lying on its side, and a carburettor melted in the shortlived blaze; finally the engine bearings seized. The entry of 'retired' in the lists hardly does justice to this catalogue of errors ... Amazingly, this was a car (DJB 93B) which would be rebuilt, and in which Rauno Aaltonen would win the RAC Rally!

[RS2000]

"Re-built" needs to be qualified.

Re-built for Alpine 65?

"Number plate attached to a new car for 65 RAC"?

Same car then won 66 Scottish.

Same car then totalled by Fall on the 66 Gulf .

Number plate then re-appears many years later on "the" "65 RAC winning car" and sells for 6 figures.

For sale again later and, when I ask the very well known auction house exactly which parts are original, I get no reply but see it is suddenly "withdrawn from sale".

 

 

 

Seeing as this thread has been revived, I am still looking for photos of DJB92B and GRX310D on the 1966 Swedish Rally (only that event/year). 

[AAGR]

Re-created rather than re-built, perhaps. Which is why some of us no longer get excited by the sudden appearance of certain 'famous' cars for auction. There is apparently a current case of an 'ex-Mikkola/ex-works Escort Twin-Cam' on the auction market which has now been examined by true experts (not me ....) and its provenance disproved.

 

  That's why I always bring descriptions of a 'famous' car's career to an end when it is sold off by the factory team, or credible individual,  involved.

Edited by AAGR, 05 March 2016 - 15:46.

[RS2000]

The most worrying thing about DJB93B of course was that the owner (of quite what is for debate...) at the time of re-creation was a well-known figure in the first division of the rally world.

 

AAGR has previously written of the 65 RAC (in the source quoted above by Tim Murray) that 3 of the works Minis with 1964 registrations looked suspiciously new when presented for scrutineering.

 

 

 

JMO969D was the ex-works Cooper S attracting most attention recently when for auction, with experts on Mini forums commenting about blue paint beneath the red and white that had no explanation from its works days or its subsequent well known career in the MN Championship with Rob Lawrence.

 

GRX55D (the Aaltonen 66 Monte car of lights disqualification fame, now restored to original Group 1 spec) is the latest to attract attention, not least since the registration number was on the Group 2 car rolled into a ball by Hopkirk on the 66 Circuit of Ireland shortly afterwards, never to reappear on a works entry.

 

Hence my interest in helping the owner of the original GRX309D (which has been identified by Abingdon heroes Bill Price, by shell number record, and builder Brian Moylan, by build details).

See separate thread on request for information/photos). At the recent Mini Fair, Paddy seemed concerned that GRX309D had "a few holes in it" - but that is inevitable for an original and it's the ones without that you need to be suspicious about. I have photos from that day (sadly Ron Crellin who co-drove PH was too ill to attend the photo call) but struggle to post them here now.

[GeoffR]

A bit like this then??

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[Lee Nicolle]

If my memory serves by right , was not IYK 100 the BDA purchased and rallied by Novocastrian Garry Burns, after Colin Bond. If so it spent time in my panelbeating workshop having the odd panel replaced after a number of "offs", Garry never lacked "ticker", but the end result was not always good. A particularly nasty high speed roll (in the early stages of a NSW or Australian Championship round) effectively destroyed the oringinal body shell. It sat for a long time before Garry reshelled it as per the orginal built plans. It was a mamoth task in a back yard shed.

IYK used 13x7 Magnum Eliminators on the rear, not Minilites. At least for most of its career in Bonds team.

BUT how many times was that car reshelled?  It had lots of damage plus ofcourse the metal fatigue and abrasion kills all shells and Escorts were fairly weak to start with.

I was involved building a Repco trial Escort [from a crash damaged car] and I know after that event the shell was fairly buggered.

I looked at buying an ex City State [Mcleod]  Torana in the late 70s and that too was full of cracks.

[brucemoxon]

Probably a bit self-indulgent, but I snapped this car the other day at a rally in the Jenolan area, a couple of hours from Sydney. It's a BDA Escort, built to the specs of the Boreham cars and driven bloody hard by Irishman Michael Dermody. How hard? Came second outright against Lancer Evos and Subaru WRXs and some much more modern machinery like 2WD Nissan Sylvias and the like.

 

 

 

 

 

Hope you enjoy.

 

 

BM

[Ian G]

Interesting Bruce,brings back memories of the 1976 Southern Cross when Roger Clark sideswiped my Datsun 1600 road car,we were spectating and heading on a single lane road into the Forest.We heard this terrible howling sound coming towards us and fortunately slowed down as Clark came around the corner doing about 80kph+ and caught our rear door and guard.He didn't stop,just kept going,we found out later he had blown the Diff. and got lost looking for his Service Crew and was on the wrong road.Next day we took photos and gave them along with my contact details to his Service Crew but didn't hear anymore.

I did a lot of Rallying in the 1970's,plenty of Mk1's Escorts around with Hodgson's probably the quickest but very brittle,our Datsun 1600's were a match in the rough stuff but no hope on the smooth dirt.

 

http://nsscc.com.au/...ly-partnership/

[BRG]

Probably a bit self-indulgent, but I snapped this car the other day at a rally in the Jenolan area, a couple of hours from Sydney. It's a BDA Escort, built to the specs of the Boreham cars and driven bloody hard by Irishman Michael Dermody. How hard? Came second outright against Lancer Evos and Subaru WRXs and some much more modern machinery like 2WD Nissan Sylvias and the like.
 

You say a BDA Escort built to Boreham specs, but do you know this for a fact?  There are many Escorts still rallying in the UK and Ireland which can compete well with more modern machinery, but they are a long way from Boreham spec.  They are often using the 2.5 litre Millington engine (developed originally from the Cosworth YB) which will give over 300bhp and a 5 or 6 speed sequential gearbox.  Genuine BDA Escorts in historic rallying are a lot slower, unsurprisingly.

[GeoffR]

...... by Irishman Michael Dermody. 

 

 

Did the Escort also come from Ireland? If so it is most likely to be in the spec mentioned above by BRG.

[brucemoxon]

All good questions. Humph...

 

It was entered in the 1701 - 2100cc class, so hopefully it was the right size. Don't know about the box. My understanding was the 'Boreham' spec referred more to the shell - things like the vertically-mounted rear shocks and the like.

 

 

 

BM

[Catalina Park]

Boreham? Sure did.