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#51 sterling49

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 22:14

What a great photo! Say what you like about JC, whether on the track or stage, he never, just never gave up, and really enjoyed trying, just for the sheer hell and fun of it!!! NVW, what a great car, running Dunlop SP44s ? I always get them mixed up with English Ultra Grips,which I used on my Escort.

Hopefully I will see your old steed next time, what is the registration number?

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#52 Ian McKean

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 00:57

Originally posted by sterling49
What a great photo! Say what you like about JC, whether on the track or stage, he never, just never gave up, and really enjoyed trying, just for the sheer hell and fun of it!!! NVW, what a great car, running Dunlop SP44s ? I always get them mixed up with English Ultra Grips,which I used on my Escort.

Hopefully I will see your old steed next time, what is the registration number?


I am sure the boots are Goodyear Ultragrips. Why is Clark not in the driving seat, BTW?

#53 Nick Wa

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 14:05

Goodyear Ultragrip versus Dunlop SP44
Were Ultragrips superior to SP44s or just fashionable boots for Fords because the works cars used them? It wasn't long before they were back on Dunlops.
The SP4 was a 2 year old design against the new Ultragrip but was the use of Goodyears a financial and political decision from Detroit? At this time Ford are involved in almost every form of motor sport, Indy, Le Mans, F1 and F2 as well as rallying and formula ford.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 14:23

Originally posted by sterling49
It's that time of year again.....click on the link and hear those BDAs howling in Dalby and the echoes from the forest is just awesome... :eek:


http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=464bRTDTges

Get ready to weep.............oh, and when the Stratos goes through :cry:


Nice, though it's a pity they had to put silencers on the Stratos!
Somewhere I have a recording I made on the top of Penmachno of Waldegaard, the only man ever to really get to grips with the Stratos in the forests. The sound echoing across those valleys. Unbeatable.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 16:45

Originally posted by Ian McKean
Why is Clark not in the driving seat, BTW?


Looking at Brian Melia's face and the fact he has taken his helmet off suggests he had done his stint of pushing with JC at the wheel and JC had taken over, maybe just as two helpers had arrived on the scene. One factor suggesting the camera operator was not British is that he is prepared to stand back taking photos instead of helping! (an increasing trend today, compounded by spectators being kept further and further back on modern events).

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 16:58

As Nick Wa suggests, "English" Ultragrips seemed to be used by many Ford private entrants simply because the works team were on them. I had no experience of the "English" Ultragrip against Dunlop SP44s, mainly because I competed in Minis and serviced for a mini on the RAC and they didn't make them in 10" size. When the "German" Ultragrip came out in 165/70-10 (1972?) I used them on the Welsh and found they were far better than 145-10 SP44s but I very much doubt they would have been in snow. The Avenger I serviced for on the 76 Brit Championship still used "English" Ultragrips when everyone was on Dunlop A2s, mainly because I think he got a better deal from Harry Gee at Goodyear UK.
We've touched elsewhere on how sticking with Dunlop (M&S) when development had run out probably cost the (by then "unofficial") Ford team the 1980 RAC. I used Dunlop M&S on the Escort the first RAC I did in it. Compared to the Colway Remoulds (Michelin "Nora" pattern) I used the next time, they were rubbish.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 18:19

I used English Ultragrips on 12" rims, I don't think the German ones were available in that size (175/70/12), I used them for road rallying and they were great on all surfaces, even tarmac, although the wear rate was quite high! Most of my mates were using German Ultras on 13" wheels and one had a deal for Kleber which were amazing on tarmac at that time. Tyres were almost the most expensive part of road rallying back then :eek:

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 19:40

I've got loads of RAC rally photos from 87 onwards with young Colin and Richard, but dont think they fit in here as nostalgia just yet. Prior to that it was Motoring News Road Rallies and clubbie events, they were all i could get to, not having my own car and no offer of transport from the old man. :)

I met Sandro last year at the bottom of the hill at Goodwood, what a really great guy to talk to, it was one of the highlights of the year.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 20:46

Originally posted by JSF
I've got loads of RAC rally photos from 87 onwards with young Colin and Richard, but dont think they fit in here as nostalgia just yet. Prior to that it was Motoring News Road Rallies and clubbie events, they were all i could get to, not having my own car and no offer of transport from the old man. :)

I met Sandro last year at the bottom of the hill at Goodwood, what a really great guy to talk to, it was one of the highlights of the year.


That's 20 years ago JSF, that's nostalgia IMHO....go for it, we'd love to see them! Any from the MN days? I did a few MN events, great road events, very challenging :up:

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 20:49

Originally posted by JSF
I've got loads of RAC rally photos from 87 onwards with young Colin and Richard, but dont think they fit in here as nostalgia just yet. Prior to that it was Motoring News Road Rallies


MN rallies will usually get a few people's attention! Agree 87 RAC is too recent for many tastes.

One more from the Gulf London International Rally. 1965 - Jars Damberg/Fergus Sager Cortina GT at finish, 4th overall. Next to John Sprinzell/Peter Marshall Cooper S, 6th overall (and proving the reg. no. PMO200 wasn't only carried on Sprites)
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Posted 26 November 2007 - 21:40

Wonder if the Cortina had been off backwards, the rear end looks odd? Also it has the "Super" model chrome strips, export model? Great atmosphere in those days, if only it could be fast forwarded to now :rolleyes:

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 21:57

Originally posted by sterling49
Wonder if the Cortina had been off backwards, the rear end looks odd? Also it has the "Super" model chrome strips, export model? Great atmosphere in those days, if only it could be fast forwarded to now :rolleyes:

Don't think it had rear end damage, must be the angle. Funny you mention the chrome - I saw another photo of a Swedish Mk1 Cortina GT recently and that had chrome strips too. Must have beeen std spec for that export market? (and yes that's a Hillman Husky on the right, not one of the ex-works Safari cars as far as I could tell)

Roy Johnson/Richard Harper did a bit of damage on the 66 Gulf though...
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Posted 26 November 2007 - 22:05

Woaaa ! :eek: A Hillman Husky.....fettled by a certain Mr O'Dell maybe ;)

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 22:26

I'll see what i can dig out from the Road Rallies. I first got involved in Rallies by manning the stage finish time controls on MN and local Road Rallies, so spent more time jumping out of the way of locked up cars than taking pictures, but i got some nice shots every so often :) My first rally car, Hartwell Imp. :D

It may take a couple of weeks to get these scanned in, as i'm off to Japan in a few days to take on the Japanese teams at Tsukuba in the 18th Annual RevSpeed Tsukuba Super Lap competition. This is the first time UK cars have competed in this event, so really looking forward to the experience.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 22:51

Originally posted by JSF
I'll see what i can dig out from the Road Rallies. I first got involved in Rallies by manning the stage finish time controls on MN and local Road Rallies, so spent more time jumping out of the way of locked up cars than taking pictures, but i got some nice shots every so often :) My first rally car, Hartwell Imp. :D

It may take a couple of weeks to get these scanned in, as i'm off to Japan in a few days to take on the Japanese teams at Tsukuba in the 18th Annual RevSpeed Tsukuba Super Lap competition. This is the first time UK cars have competed in this event, so really looking forward to the experience.


Look forward to your photos! Good luck with your competition and enjoy Japan ,a truly amazing place :up:

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 23:31

Thanks, I'm really looking forward to it. :up:

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 00:07

Originally posted by Terry Walker
One for lovers of Lotus F1 cars, indirectly.

Western Australia, 1968 1,000 Mile rally, breakfast stop, Roelands: on the extreme right in corduroy cap is the Hon John Dawson-Damer, while looking over her shoulder at the camera (or, as I prefer to think, looking at me) is his then wife Rosemary. She was driving that Cooper S, he was navigating.

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WOW!

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 03:13

Must of missed this rally thread

We were Rallying against the Jag those days ( see terry walker photos)

Quite a few of us drove these very quick type 3 VW's

Both the Dunkertons Mike Palmer

The events were quite long those days

The amature rallys were 200 miles long

we had the 1000 mile rally East west 400

was good driving all night


This was the Darling 200 the Director was John Large 1970

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This was the 1970 Tiger trial Ran by the WA Car Club A state championship event

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#69 sterling49

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 21:48

On display at the Fressingfield Oily Rag club, especially for the night that Stuart Turner was in attendance :up: A very famous car, I reckon RS2000 will get it at once! I 1st saw it on the '75 Fram Welsh, now driven by Neil Parsons, who did a lot of the same Norfolk events as myself.



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It still looks great!!!

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 23:12

See FORC thread. I saw it on the 76 Welsh too but Graham Robson's book claims it wasn't there. Provenance to me requires original shell retained before it can be claimed as "the car". Very few Escorts, Minis, Cortinas etc. pass that judgement, despite fetching silly prices.
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(That's not John Brown of course)
It looked a hell of a lot worse shortly afterwards but that later photo's not mine to post.

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 23:23

Originally posted by RS2000
See FORC thread. I saw it on the 76 Welsh too but Graham Robson's book claims it wasn't there. Provenance to me requires original shell retained before it can be claimed as "the car". Very few Escorts, Minis, Cortinas etc. pass that judgement, despite fetching silly prices.
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(That's not John Brown of course)
It looked a hell of a lot worse shortly afterwards but that later photo's not mine to post.


I saw 702N on the '75 event, Robson reckons that Brookes drove ODA on the '76 event, I never attended, so I cannot say. John Brown is in the right hand seat, but I reckon he is getting ready to frighten marshals! :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 11:53

Ron Crellin in that 76 Welsh photo above of the "original" 702N, much patched up (not having to comply on the Welsh with the homologated spec required on the RAC etc -note no front spoiler) and which Robson wrongly records as a new car ("ODA"). It had a major side impact shortly after that photo, creasing the roof, from which Brookes seems to have been lucky to have remained uninjured (the car then looking a bit too much like the car in which "Beef" Park died in more recent years)

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 10:48

Originally posted by RS2000
Ron Crellin in that 76 Welsh photo above of the "original" 702N, much patched up (not having to comply on the Welsh with the homologated spec required on the RAC etc -note no front spoiler) and which Robson wrongly records as a new car ("ODA"). It had a major side impact shortly after that photo, creasing the roof, from which Brookes seems to have been lucky to have remained uninjured (the car then looking a bit too much like the car in which "Beef" Park died in more recent years)


Brookes indeed had some bad "offs" and was very lucky in his career, I particularly would have loved to have seen Brookes,Pond,Clark and Jimmy McRae in Ireland, where more than a few type 49 shells were modified :eek:

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 10:52

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Metro 6R4 on Grizedale Stages in the snow 8/12/2007

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 21:19

Originally posted by rbm
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Metro 6R4 on Grizedale Stages in the snow 8/12/2007


Great shot, any idea who's driving? There was a time that I would have known :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 15:40

Metro 6R4 on Grizedale Stages in the snow 8/12/2007

Bl..dy Global Warming, wind back the clock to the golden age of rallying and that snow would have been at least a foot deep!

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 16:33

Originally posted by Nick Wa
Metro 6R4 on Grizedale Stages in the snow 8/12/2007

Bl..dy Global Warming, wind back the clock to the golden age of rallying and that snow would have been at least a foot deep!


Yep all this warming - new drivers can't cope with the snow, half an inch and we had 4 slide off and into dnf 3 we got back on and 1 roll finished stage but would be a retirement, all within the half mile we were on.

the 6R4 is driven by Phill Lilley, but I think I was told it was a works car (could have got that wrong)

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 12:20

Hi, see my International Welsh Rally thread, I'm looking for photos. :)

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 16:30

Having followed a few of the early stages on the Scottish rallies in the late 70's and early 80's (well made my parents take me along as I was very young at the time) I was hoping for some interesting pictures but having gone through the photo boxes at my parents over Christmas I have only found a few from 1982 (I was under 11 at the time so didn't have a camera :( ).

Anyway here they are.

Car1 - Ari Vatanaen/Terry Harryman - MCD/Shell - Ford Escort - Group 4
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Car 2 - Hannu Mikkola/Arne Hertz - Audi Sport UK - Audi Quattro - Group 4
(Yes they are reversing along the stage)
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Car 3 - Jimmy McRae/Ian Grindrod - Rothmans Opel Rally Team - Opel Ascona 400 - Group 4
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Car 4 - Stig Blomqvist/Bjorn Cederberg - Peugeot-Talbot Sport - Talbot Lotus Sunbeam - Group 2
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Car 5 - Henri Toivonen/Fred Gallagher - Rothmans Opel Rally Team - Opel Ascona 400 - Group 4
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Car 8 - Malcolm Wilson/Phil Short - Malcolm Wilson (Motorsport) Ltd - Ford Escort RS1800 - Group 4
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 18:29

Great photos Mark! Thanks for posting them, this really was still a great period for rallying and the Scottish was one of the best of them, I love Ari's RS1800 and Stig's Sunbeam :up:

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 14:35

By special request from the co-driver of one of the main players, via another forum, some photos from the 1972 Scottish International Rally. By chance one random photo is of car no.119 and I've just noticed that another member on here ran as car no.118 on that event.

James Rae (mistaken for a member of the McRae clan by some of our continental historic colleagues recently in another place)
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Arthur Jasper/Gavin Wilkie at service in Newcastleton village, where in later years on the RAC Rally the likes of Marku Alen could be found partaking of tea and cakes from the local Womens' Institiute stall.
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Nichol Manson/Gael Pollit in a car that, from the registration, originated in my then home area. Apologies to Nick Wa for being a minute too late with the camera!
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 14:46

Great photos! Did the request come from our member in BC? Great period shots of times never to be seen again, the Escort is on Lotus steel wheels, is it a 1300G.T.?

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 15:22

119 is listed as a 1298cc GT.

More from Newcastleton village. BYS160K but no competition number visible. Servicing next to an ice cream van had its attractions on the Scottish
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A very open "Parc Ferme" at Nairn. L to R - Les Birkett with 998 Mini, Lawrence Castledine, Dave Finch and Sid Rudge in 1298 GT Escort, Tony Davies and Mike Harrison. BAMA Land Rovers in background (a half ton air-portable, by the look of it, for those who are interested in such things?)
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 15:40

Ingvar Carlsson early in the Glen Urquhart forest stage, across the road from Urquhart Castle and the Loch Ness Monster watchers
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The road schedule on the Scottish bore no relation to the pressures of the Welsh (just as well since the stages were all car breakers in comparison) and gaining 2 hours to spare at Main Contols was not unusual. Service crews ususally had time to cook breakfast for themselves and their competing crew rather than needing the club "food crews" used on the Welsh and RAC Rallies
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 14:17

Having just started to get my slides back after 5 or so years and today bought a slide scanner I thought it was time to try posting a few images.

This is Per Eklund and friends during the 1986 Hong Kong - Peking recce.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 15:39

So THATS where his fur hats came from.......

#87 Fred Gallagher

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 15:20

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Finish of Circuit of Ireland around 1965. Fidler, Melia, Clark l to r is my guess.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 17:01

Lovely period photo Fred, love the "old" style of spotlamps in 3's, then they went 4 across the front, then 2 up 2 down, great days!

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 17:19

Co-incidently was just reading elsewhere that Roger Albert's personal reg no 2ANR has now been cancelled by the DVLA, following a dispute over whether or not it was sold by his sons on and along with an Escort Cosworth.
Equally coincidently, passing a toy shop window the other day, I noticed a Corgi limited edition model of that Cortina as winner of the 65 Scottish (it went on to win the 65 Gulf a few weeks later - his private car but a works-prepared shell and with works bits).
What is the reg no of the Brian Melia car?

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 17:37

892 DOO is the Melia car.

Off upstairs to look for the programme!

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 18:03

Originally posted by sterling49
Lovely period photo Fred, love the "old" style of spotlamps in 3's, then they went 4 across the front, then 2 up 2 down, great days!

You'll be telling us next that you remember the padded spotlight covers with cats' faces embroidered on them and ears sewn on top which Mike?/Peter? Jackson ran on his Cortina
Roger Lund.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 18:12

Originally posted by bradbury west

You'll be telling us next that you remember the padded spotlight covers with cats' faces embroidered on them and ears sewn on top which Mike?/Peter? Jackson ran on his Cortina
Roger Lund.


I do too!They used them on the London/Sydney Marathon? I used to use Hella 192's, great for seeing across the marshes! S.E.V. Marchal were good too, they had the cat logo? ;)

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 18:14

Correction!

The middle Cortina in the previous photograph is the David Seigle-Morris car. Co-driver was D.J.B.Michael - anyone know his first name?

In the picture below l to r: F.P.P.Johnston/S.N.Devlin Cortina, Jim Stevenson/Fred Gallagher (my dad!) Cooper S, Bertie McElhinney/Stuart Gray Cortina.

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These were all taken by 13 year old me on Tuesday 20th April 1965 at the finish of the circuit.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 18:22

...and finally from this bunch the Jack Cassidy/R.G.Charlesson MGB.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 18:30

The "B" looks great on it's wires, can you imagine the cars these days on such elegant wheels?

Fred, any Imps perchance??

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 18:47

A very grainy one of 4326(?)KV on the Orra Lodge stage on the last morning.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 18:54

.....and a glimpse of AKV9B

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The most competitive Imps on the event were #15 Tiny Lewis/Robin Turvey; #20 David Pollard/barry Hughes; #37 Rosemary Smith/Sheila O'Clery; #49 Malcolm Templeton/T. (Ted?) Cowell; #50 Ernest McMillen/B.Metcalfe, all entered in the GT up to 1300 class.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 19:06

Amazing, Ted Cowell was doing London County events when I was, all those years later, it was such a great sport, turn up and have a go!!! Wasn't Tiny lewis in a works car? Thanks for posting the photos!

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 19:18

Originally posted by Fred Gallagher
892 DOO is the Melia car.Off upstairs to look for the programme!Fred


Thanks. That number went around a bit! 63 RAC, 64 Alpine etc. A few re-shells there?
Interesting how late into 65 the "DOO" numbers were still being used, prior to the "KPU"s that most remember.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 19:21

Originally posted by bradbury west

You'll be telling us next that you remember the padded spotlight covers with cats' faces embroidered on them and ears sewn on top which Mike?/Peter? Jackson ran on his Cortina
Roger Lund.


Eric Jackson (who's daughter has posted on here?).
Here entering the car park of the Heathrow Excelsior Hotel and the finish control of the 66 Gulf London.
I plead youth for not being able to frame a moving car...

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