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#51 Lada Lover

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:14

From a CCTV-5 viewer. "The rain starts in 10 minutes." :lol:

Kimi :up:
Vettel :up:
Button :up:
Liuzzi :up:
DC :up:

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#52 Shadow Mike

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:16

A very nice race!!! Really!!! A very good job done by Kimi :up: !!! Congrats :) !!!

#53 MartinAston

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:17

Raikkonen :up: :up: Great watching him sliding all over the place trying to catch Hamilton!
Alonso... :up: Meh, 8 seconds behind Raikkonen with 20ish laps to go - I thought the McLaren had the pace to at least close the gap.
Massa :down:
Vettel :up: :up: :up: Great drive again from Vettel
Button :up: Good job

Kubica :cry: Why did the BMW have to break down? I wonder if he had to pit again?

Renault :down:

Brazil :up: :up:

#54 wingwalker

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:17

overall, an entertaining race. kimi drove simply great, so did hamilton until he made a really stupid mistake. sure he should have been called earlier and the tyres were damaged, but not THAT much, he was lapping at reasonable pace if i recall correctly. and he had no reason at all to look for tenths in at the pit entry.

vettel was very lucky with timing of the pit stop, but he also drove brilliantly during the entire race. liuzzi did good too - he managed to hold heidfeld behind him.

good race by button and kova.

kubica... as i said in the other thread, it looks like he used all of his luck for 07 in canada. such a shame, he had high chances of finishing the race at p3 (i think he needed to pit).

#55 512 TR

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:18

Hey Ronnie...you can't even win by cheating! :lol:

Pure world class comedy. :rotfl:

#56 Lada Lover

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:20

Massa was OK today. He knows what he needs to do to help his team and Kimi.

#57 jimpo

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:20

Originally posted by Louis Mr. F1
where are the McLaren mechanics @ the podium ceremony? it seems only a handful of them are there.


I guess they aren't too motivated for celebrating a driver who is openly hostile towards his team...

#58 AFCA

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:20

Great drive by Kimi giving Ferrari its 200th victory :)

Looking at the standings now, such an awful shame Ferrari had so many odd reliability problems this year, they would have quite easily clinched it if the car had been rock solid like the McLaren this year...

#59 RTX

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:21

Alonso took a nice shot at the team in the PC. He said he hopes the performance of the cars will remain the same throughout the whole weekend not just Q1 and Q2. Lets hope so as well. There is no way they want Alonso to win the WC.

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#60 FLB

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:21

Originally posted by ensign14

You might be right, but Kimi for some reason always seems much better when he's in the lead than when he's trying to get there.

Not necessarily (see under 2005 Japanese Grand Prix);)

#61 AFCA

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:23

I expected Dyer to go the podium instead of Smedley actually, not that it matters anyway...

#62 512 TR

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:26

Kimi, thank you dude! :up:

Felipe. There's always next year. :up:

Ferrari. Pure passion. :up:

#63 Lada Lover

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:27

Who had the best hand gesture today. Mark or Ron? Ron easily, although Webber pointing and then making a weaving motion was pretty good too.

#64 jimpo

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:28

Originally posted by RTX
Alonso took a nice shot at the team in the PC. He said he hopes the performance of the cars will remain the same throughout the whole weekend not just Q1 and Q2. Lets hope so as well. There is no way they want Alonso to win the WC.


Alonso still goes on and on about the Q3. Lewis had the least amount of fuel, didn't he? Is Alonso complaining about Lewis having (OMG! Travesty!) less fuel for Q3, or is he too stupid or too paranoid to realize Lewis had less fuel and wants his fans to think Lewis had some special new car parts added for Q3?

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:28

Originally posted by MartinAston
Kubica :cry: Why did the BMW have to break down? I wonder if he had to pit again?



For 95% Kubica hadn't to pit again.

His first pit stop was because of tyres. He had fuel ... but he got more fuel and 'hard' tyres ... this could the first ever win for BMW's crap ... :o

The time he retired he was faster than Kimi or Fernando :o

#66 Konsta

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:35

Originally posted by airflow


huh?

IMHO, he did his best to help Kimi. :up:

btw, Macca :rolleyes:


And what exactly did Felipe do? Nothing, nada, zilch, zero. When the track was partially wet he was struggling and finally let FA pass him. When it was dry he was dog-slow until at the end he "found" some speed. I mean if you are right behind FA after his stop and 10 seconds away in a few laps, you haven´t done your job. It really seemed that he (FM) was not motivated at all - piss-poor teammateship IMHO.

#67 512 TR

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:35

Originally posted by Cuba



For 95% Kubica hadn't to pit again.

His first pit stop was because of tyres. He had fuel ... but he got more fuel and 'hard' tyres ... this could the first ever win for BMW's crap ... :o

The time he retired he was faster than Kimi or Fernando :o


For once it seemed his strategy actually worked. :(

#68 Andy35

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:36

Excellent work by Vettel who will now be on the peak of the rollercoaster of feelings compared to the trough of a week ago. Very well deserved.

What's his contract like for next year at the moment ?

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#69 inaki

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:39

Originally posted by jimpo


Alonso still goes on and on about the Q3. Lewis had the least amount of fuel, didn't he? Is Alonso complaining about Lewis having (OMG! Travesty!) less fuel for Q3, or is he too stupid or too paranoid to realize Lewis had less fuel and wants his fans to think Lewis had some special new car parts added for Q3?


Jimpo, have you seen the race ? Do you attribute the 6 tenths difference to the fuel load??

Don't make me laugh.

#70 man from martinlaakso

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:43

KR drove a strong race and deserved his win. Kimi was also wise enough to spare his tyres in the beginning, when LH was all the time going flat out. FA was fast, when it really mattered and FM, when it did not matter anymore.
Vettel had a great race.

Many posters have blaimed the Mac team, that it delayed too much, when the team should have called LH to the pits earlier. But because the Mac fuel tank is not very big, LH could not have come in earlier or he would have been forced to come to the pits once more. So I think, that the blaime for this catastrophical outcome has to put to shoulders of Lewis. He knew, that his tyres were no-good, so he should have taken hio inlap more carefully. After all a routine pit stop amd a routine end stint would have meant at least 4th place for LH. Then KR would not be any threat to him and Fernando would be 9 points away. In that situation LH could have waited the Brazilian GP calmly. Now the pressure is still on, although LH is still number 1 favourite to the title.

If the Mac drivers will tackle each other out during the start in Brazil, then FM will probably win his home GP and KR will secure his title by one point to LH with his second place. This is not a very probable scenario but it is the only one, where Felipe has a realistic chance to win this race, unless Kimi is hurt by technical problens.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:45

I heard a crew member from Ferrari tell Felipe to put away the Cheetos, the race wasn't finished...sometimes I get the feeling Massa thinks his car is a sofa. :down:

McLaren and Hamilton: A Rookie mistake and the team let him make it. :down:

Kimi: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Alonso: I'm generally an Alonso fan, but please lad, just shut the **** up already :down: . :up: for today's drive.

#72 Tuffy

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:45

One of the best overtakings this year: Kova, Rosberg and Fisico into turn one. :up: More of it.

#73 Rade

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:46

Originally posted by RTX
Alonso took a nice shot at the team in the PC. He said he hopes the performance of the cars will remain the same throughout the whole weekend not just Q1 and Q2. Lets hope so as well. There is no way they want Alonso to win the WC.


I predict some light pod falling over FA's engine, engine change, 10 place grid penalty :p

#74 metz

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:46

Heidfeld or Kubica could have won this race with the 1 stop strategy. :up: :up:
What happened to Heidfeld after Robert's pit stop?
BMW needs to have a serious look at their reliability. :(

#75 wingwalker

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:48

just saw an inteview with kubica... he had enough fuel to finish. he what, 13 seconds over p2 with 20-something laps to go?


damn,damn,damn.

#76 metz

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:52

Originally posted by ZZMS


except it didn't matter for him (Massa), and he did everything to help his team win WCC.

Well, Stepney helped the most... :smoking:

#77 wingwalker

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:53

Originally posted by metz
Heidfeld or Kubica could have won this race with the 1 stop strategy. :up: :up:
What happened to Heidfeld after Robert's pit stop?
BMW needs to have a serious look at their reliability. :(


heidfeld was probably given inters, he pitted for the second time a few laps later.


kubica said in the interview he made the decision to stay on hards for a few laps when it begun to rain mid-race, and those were "horror laps" but it paid off.

jesus christ. it really looks like he could have won it.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:53

Originally posted by Tuffy
One of the best overtakings this year: Kova, Rosberg and Fisico into turn one. :up: More of it.


That was a nice Rosberg sandwich.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:54

Originally posted by inaki


Jimpo, have you seen the race ? Do you attribute the 6 tenths difference to the fuel load??

Don't make me laugh.




I agree it's not only fuel load, probably 'skill' has something to do with it. :p

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#80 Lada Lover

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:55

Originally posted by metz
Heidfeld or Kubica could have won this race with the 1 stop strategy. :up: :up:
What happened to Heidfeld after Robert's pit stop?
BMW needs to have a serious look at their reliability. :(


When NH was trying to pass Liuzzi in the late stages of the race, the BMW gear-box sounded like a box of hammers or whatever Brundle would call it.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 08:59

Räikkönen :up: :up: :up:

Truly excellent drive. Saving the tyres, fast laps when needed, pass for the lead. What more can we ask?

Alonso :up:

Things looked bad for Fernando, but solid recovery and 2nd place to keep the title hopes alive...

Massa ...

To give thumb down or not...kinda ok, but not quite there with Räikkönen and Alonso.

Hamilton :down:

Finally lack of experience showed. Shot the tyres and...well, the rest we know!



Big :up: to Vettel and Kubica!!!

#82 jimpo

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:01

Originally posted by inaki


Jimpo, have you seen the race ? Do you attribute the 6 tenths difference to the fuel load??

Don't make me laugh.


So there actually is someone who believes Alonso's insinuation that Lewis was fitted with mystery-performance-enhancing-parts™ for Q3, is that right?

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:03

Originally posted by jimpo


I guess they aren't too motivated for celebrating a driver who is openly hostile towards his hostile team...


There. Corrected for clarity.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:03

Originally posted by jimpo


So there actually is someone who believes Alonso's insinuation that Lewis was fitted with mystery-performance-enhancing-parts™ for Q3, is that right?


The used BALCO's fuel additives.

;)

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:05

Originally posted by wingwalker
just saw an inteview with kubica... he had enough fuel to finish. he what, 13 seconds over p2 with 20-something laps to go?


damn,damn,damn.


Kimi was 3 seconds adrift of Kubica at that time.

But I agree, it was a one-of-a-lifetime chance for winning this year and BMW blew it.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:11

i think liuzzi's race is being a bit underestimated. he was superb in staying in front of heidfeld, i didn't believe he would make it.

#87 wingwalker

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:16

Originally posted by vaavu


Kimi was 3 seconds adrift of Kubica at that time.

But I agree, it was a one-of-a-lifetime chance for winning this year and BMW blew it.


so i maybe it was 13 seconds between 2nd and 3rd? i looked at the screen and then kubica's car was shown going at around 50km on the straight so i could have mixed something up.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:21

Originally posted by jimpo


So there actually is someone who believes Alonso's insinuation that Lewis was fitted with mystery-performance-enhancing-parts™ for Q3, is that right?


They overheated Alonso's tyres, according to some sources. So the soft tyres lose grip, specially in the fast sector where grip is more needed.

Alonso has said that he thinks it's imposible he finishes more than 6 tenths behind his teammate having been competitive all the weekend (1 tenth behind in the first attempt).

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:22

Originally posted by ZZMS


except it didn't matter for him, and he did everything to help his team win WCC. KR should fight his own fight.


He should have been maximising points towards the Constructors Championship - Ooops! They don't need to, Max has already given it to them............

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:24

Originally posted by Pep


They overheated Alonso's tyres, according to some sources. So the soft tyres lose grip, specially in the fast sector where grip is more needed.

Alonso has said that he thinks it's imposible he finishes more than 6 tenths behind his teammate having been competitive all the weekend (1 tenth behind in the first attempt).


Spooky........................

Oh no, he just wasn't fast enough.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:24

Noone seems to be talking about ALex Wurz decision to retire...

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:32

Originally posted by jimpo


So there actually is someone who believes Alonso's insinuation that Lewis was fitted with mystery-performance-enhancing-parts™ for Q3, is that right?


Friday practice 1 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.102. Advantage: Alonso
Friday practice 2 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.263. Advantage: Alonso (P2 0.006 behind Kimi)
Saturday practice difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.101. Advantage: Alonso

Q1 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.011. Advantage: Lewis
Q2 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.053. Advantage: Alonso

Q3 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.668. Advantage: Lewis. The biggest in the whole weekend. I do not understand. Can it be only fuel loads? The whole weekend top four have been within 2 tenths. Every practice this GP has been the closest in this season. Now Alonso is more than half a second behind. There has to be a rational explanation to that.

Don’t you find very strange this Q3, Alonso lost 6 tenths after a normal lap without any apparent mistake, when he has been over Lewis the whole weekend and also very close or over both Ferraris. In addition to that he has been the only one driver not improving in his second flyer with softs his time in the first flyer (with hards). I do not buy it.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:39

Alonso said that he didn't make any mistakes on his flying lap.

It's simple something was wrong with his car. He should request an investigation in that case.

But it's nothing new. Anyone who does not see that FIA is breaking and adapting the rules to help LH wind the WDC must be completely blind or have UK galsses on nose. Now it looks like also McLaren team is breaking the rules to help FIAmilton...

At the beginning of the season I was a huuuuge fan of LH!!! He was superb! His aproach to racing was special. But after some races I recognized that someting is wrong. All the actions made by FIA clearly started to favour Hamilton. This is not sport anymore...

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:45

China:

Kimi: Masterpiece. Fast when needed won direct fight with Hamilton, No mistakes. This was his most dominating weekend. One could see and feel it.

Alonso: great. Don't like him, but he is trully a great diver and today he was on it. He may even win the championship!

Massa: Should have done a bit better.

Vettel: :eek: man of the race [boy of the race, actually] and one of the best drives of the year.

Button: He's talented, he's reliable. Good race. Give him a McLaren

Liuzzi: Good performance, but Vettel...

Heidfield: Consistent.

Coulthard: Experience over speed.

Kovalainen: ragged but even so in front of fisico.


Hamilton: Mistakes happen. But he could have just played safe. It can cost him a lot....

And that overtaking from the Renaults to Rosberg? WOW!!! Fisichella :up:


Kubica would finnished in podium that's for sure!

Wurz: Well, not a very sucessfull carreer but a honest good driver. And a great tester. :up:

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:01

JJ Lehto:
"Already at first stop you could see that Hamilton had much more tyre wear than Kimi&Alonso"

"When you can see the tyre canvas, it doesnt matter how slow you come into corner, it wont stop or turn anywhere, its hopeless"

#96 Pep

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:02

Originally posted by inaki


Friday practice 1 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.102. Advantage: Alonso
Friday practice 2 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.263. Advantage: Alonso (P2 0.006 behind Kimi)
Saturday practice difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.101. Advantage: Alonso

Q1 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.011. Advantage: Lewis
Q2 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.053. Advantage: Alonso

Q3 difference between Fernando and Lewis is 0.668. Advantage: Lewis. The biggest in the whole weekend. I do not understand. Can it be only fuel loads? The whole weekend top four have been within 2 tenths. Every practice this GP has been the closest in this season. Now Alonso is more than half a second behind. There has to be a rational explanation to that.

Don’t you find very strange this Q3, Alonso lost 6 tenths after a normal lap without any apparent mistake, when he has been over Lewis the whole weekend and also very close or over both Ferraris. In addition to that he has been the only one driver not improving in his second flyer with softs his time in the first flyer (with hards). I do not buy it.


Very well put :up: :up:

To be honest I haven't really started to think about McLaren doctoring Alonso's car until lately. But to me, those times and Alonso's words are enough prove.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:17

Originally posted by Taxi
Kubica would finnished in podium that's for sure!


Robert Kubica in TV interview said : "I missed something more than a podium today..."

:cry:

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:29

Fantastic race, great drive by Kimi and what a set up for Brazil!! Vettel was brilliant, as was Button. Ralf too until his idiotic move on Luizzi.

Oh and somebody shoot the fricking Alonso conspiracy theorists - please. :mad:

#99 Tigershark

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:45

Did anyone manage to figure out what caused Webber to wave his arms about at the S/F straight after he was passed by one of the Renaults, I think Heikki.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:56

Originally posted by Cuba
BMW's reliability is a joke


They are just trying to follow the standard set by their road cars, more or less.

I feel sorry for R. Kubica, his season has been unrewarding, and mostly for reasons beyond his control. ):