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#301 kayemod

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 16:09

Rob, where was the Vulcan flying over in that superb pic, do you know? I wonder if the other Old Timer they may get flying is a Shack?

 

It's a great pic isn't it? One of the best Vulcan shots I've seen. The town below is Carterton in Oxfordshire, if the pic extended another two or three inches to the right, it would have included RAF Brize Norton.

 

A restored Shackleton would be good, I think there are two still more or less airworthy, and several it might be possible to resurrect if funds were available, which of course they never will be. There's one in South Africa and one based in Coventry that only does occasional taxies, but I think I heard somewhere that this one is being restored with a view to flying. Two I'd like to have seen were a Mosquito and a Sunderland, though none of the latter are surviving outside museums now. I live just outside Poole, and Sunderlands used to land and take off in Poole Harbour, it must have been a wonderful sight to see, though of course there was a war on. If that was tried today, they'd sink thousands of moored small boats, the insurance bill would be astronomical. I'm keeping fingers crossed for a Victor though.



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#302 paulsenna1

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 14:43

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#303 RS2000

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 17:29

Was it my slow internet connection or did they miss the actual final landing in that film?



#304 FrankB

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:05

I wonder if Withers knew that today's pilot would be doing a Barrel Roll over Grantham?


http://www.bbc.co.uk...nshire-34712346

#305 Sebastian Tombs

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 00:31

Update for those wondering what the 'next project' will be...it's the Mossie :)  

 

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#306 kayemod

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 09:33

Update for those wondering what the 'next project' will be...it's the Mossie :)  

 

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Hallelujah! My prayers (post 301) have been answered!



#307 DogEarred

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:04

The inmates in Amiens prison will be gathering their kit together, this evening....



#308 Bloggsworth

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 21:47

Will they be buying their balsa wood from Veron or Kiel Kraft?



#309 Odseybod

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 00:02

I'm wondering which one - the implication seems to be restoring an existing one to airworthiness, rather than starting from scratch, as Avspecs in NZ did. I was told some years ago (by a former Mosquito driver) that the glues that are used to stick together a Mosquito for static display are very different from those that can cope with flying stresses, so it would be a matter of dis-assembling then re-assembling it with the proper stuff. I imagine that's not an easy task - but no doubt the ex-DH experts will chip in.



#310 kayemod

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 00:05

Will they be buying their balsa wood from Veron or Kiel Kraft?

 

Sadly, neither of those two companies are still with us, both were swallowed up in the late 80s by Amerang Ltd of Lancing in Sussex, though as far as I know, a subsidiary of Amerang still turns out commercial balsa wood, mostly end-grain stuff for sandwich construction. Many years ago I had a friend who had served a coachbuilding apprenticeship with Vanden Plas in north London. Once sent to clear out one of their old stock rooms, he discovered vast quantities of dusty balsa wood, almost certainly dating from wartime Mosquito sub-contract work.



#311 mfd

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 10:33

If you read their website, you'll see they have nothing but a wreck. Their intention is to totally rebuild it, commissioning a hull in NZ where they have the only existing mould for the fuselage. They know which Merlins they want, having paid attention to the inherent fault that proved the demise of the last UK based Mossie


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#312 kayemod

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 10:58

We've already got a TNF Mosquito thread, we should really be having this discussion on there.



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Posted 15 November 2015 - 20:17

We've already got a TNF Mosquito thread, we should really be having this discussion on there.

http://forums.autosp...lland-mosquito/



#314 Vitesse2

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 20:38

Date for your diaries: Channel 4, Sunday November 29th, 7.30pm. Guy Martin: Last Flight of the Vulcan Bomber

 

Repeated on 4seven, Friday December 4th, 7.30pm.



#315 elansprint72

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 23:18

"Guy restores a Vulcan, reveals its story... and gets to try and wheelie one along the runway     "  (sic).

 

Heck- history in the making... or a complete load of puff?

 

I imagine that all those volunteer erks who have slaved away for years, without any reward, are waiting with bated-breath for this load of nonsense.


Edited by elansprint72, 22 November 2015 - 23:20.


#316 Allan Lupton

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 08:44

Typical Channel Four regard for truth.



#317 kayemod

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 08:57

Typical Channel Four regard for truth.

 

Sadly you're right, but their "Hitler's supergun" documentary last night, though somewhat light on facts, wasn't too bad. Probably rather better than "Guy investigates Hitler's supergun" would have been.



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:02

Sadly you're right, but their "Hitler's supergun" documentary last night, though somewhat light on facts, wasn't too bad. Probably rather better than "Guy investigates Hitler's supergun" would have been.

 

I knew about the V3 and its destruction by Tallboys but I'd never heard of the American remote-controlled bombers before. Having read about it (Operation Aphrodite), it seems to have caused more damage to the Allies than the Axis. I'm not sure that a Torpex-filled bomber impacting on the surface would be as effective as a ground-penetrating Tallboy - although I suppose the remote-control aspect meant that you could score a direct hit.

 

(Edit - oops, wrong bomb - Tallboys, not Grand Slams. I don't think Tallboys were as effective ground-penetrators as Grand Slams; so some of the 'earthquake' effect was lost.)


Edited by Glengavel, 23 November 2015 - 10:10.


#319 elansprint72

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:12

The Avro Heritage Museum at Wooford, Cheshire is now open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

 

http://avroheritagemuseum.co.uk/

 

It is possible to climb inside the Vulcan cockpit, for a small fee.

 

When JCB bought this site they said that they would keep the airfield open to private and light commercial traffic. Some hangers were to be converted into film studios.  Pretty soon they decided that more money could be made by building (initially) 900 houses across the site.



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#320 Vitesse2

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:17

"Guy restores a Vulcan, reveals its story... and gets to try and wheelie one along the runway     "  (sic).

 

Heck- history in the making... or a complete load of puff?

 

I imagine that all those volunteer erks who have slaved away for years, without any reward, are waiting with bated-breath for this load of nonsense.

 

 

Typical Channel Four regard for truth.

The trailer I saw suggested more that - as is surely the case - Guy merely tightened a few nuts and applied some oil to appropriate bits. The website description is somewhat light on facts and heavy on hyperbole though!

 

I knew about the V3 and its destruction by Tallboys but I'd never heard of the American remote-controlled bombers before. Having read about it (Operation Aphrodite), it seems to have caused more damage to the Allies than the Axis. I'm not sure that a Torpex-filled bomber impacting on the surface would be as effective as a ground-penetrating Tallboy - although I suppose the remote-control aspect meant that you could score a direct hit.

 

(Edit - oops, wrong bomb - Tallboys, not Grand Slams. I don't think Tallboys were as effective ground-penetrators as Grand Slams; so some of the 'earthquake' effect was lost.)

The Operation Aphrodite story is quite well-known in B-24 circles, but as we saw it wasn't perhaps the USAAF's finest hour and doesn't get much mention in anything other than specialist histories. Quite amusing to see that American historian saying that TV was available on warplanes before home users got it. Pretty much true in the States, but Britain, Germany, France and Italy all had services up and running in the late 1930s: the Paris service actually continued under German management until 1944. 



#321 kayemod

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 23:04

I thought that the Guy Martin Vulcan programme was quite good, almost free of dumbing down and with some fascinating interviews, but what did the rest of you think? Guy is turning into a decent presenter, unlike a few of the others attempting that these days. I'm sure most of them must be the product of some awful school for presenters, where they're taught over-enthusiastic speech, irrelevant arm waving and talking to camera looking over their shoulders. Some other programme about Ireland this evening was made unwatchable by some berk who seemed to be auditioning for work as an over-excited childrens' TV presenter. He was certainly hopeless at fronting anything intended for adult viewing.



#322 FrankB

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 05:58

I watched it, fearing the worst, but was pleasantly surprised. As kayemod has said there was very little dumbing down but a lot of well presented information. I felt that Guy Martin was doing this because he's primarily an enthusiast of things mechanical rather than simply being a well known face commissioned to present a programme. At times he was genuinely overawed by what he was privileged to be doing.

Well worth finding on catch up if you missed it.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 10:35

Enjoyable and pretty good. Agree, well worth a watch.



#324 cpbell

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 12:28

I must admit, I didn't realise until last night that the Avro test pilot rolled it on the first flight. :eek:



#325 kayemod

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 13:52

I must admit, I didn't realise until last night that the Avro test pilot rolled it on the first flight. :eek:

 

Yes, I was surprised as well, but a pilot friend told me that a roll was a relatively low stress manouevre for something like the Vulcan. He declined to answer when I asked him if he'd ever tried it in the 737 he flies for a living.



#326 Giraffe

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 14:07

Yes, I was surprised as well, but a pilot friend told me that a roll was a relatively low stress manouevre for something like the Vulcan. He declined to answer when I asked him if he'd ever tried it in the 737 he flies for a living.

I remember some years ago hearing/reading that Brian Trubshaw rolled Concorde during testing.



#327 Allan Lupton

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 16:54

As a former aeronautical person, can I say that there are two types of roll, the slow roll and the barrel roll.

In the former the aeroplane rolls about its longitudinal axis (or near enough so) and the loads on the airframe are many and complex - totalling 1g upwards all the time to keep it up, which so far as the airframe is concerned goes from 1g positive to 1g negative via 1g sideways!!

The barrel roll is much more like a loop in that the flight path is helical and the aeroplane experiences 1g positive (or thereabouts) all the time. It is this sort of roll that is used for non-aerobatic aeroplanes and there is an excellent film of the flight compartment of the Boeing 707 -80 doing a roll with the pilot pouring his coffee to demonstrate that 1g positive

I think it's here, but it doesn't work for me at present.

.https://www.youtube....h?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk

 

ETA not it's not that film, but it does explain the barrel roll


Edited by Allan Lupton, 01 December 2015 - 09:17.


#328 Giraffe

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 17:22

I remember some years ago hearing/reading that Brian Trubshaw rolled Concorde during testing.

It would appear that it was actually Captain "Brain Walpole"....

 

       

#329 kayemod

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 19:35

A short bit of unusually competent amateur video, well worth watching for Vulcan fanboys.

 



#330 sniffy

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 12:47

I though this may be of interest - from the Thomson Tankers archive

 

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 03:47

I dont think Guy Martin could possibly be coached all that well in the art of TV presenting, he`s very much his own man. Guy is awesome! 

 

I liked the Vulcan piece, very enjoyable.



#332 Sebastian Tombs

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Posted 19 May 2016 - 17:13

Breaking news from the VTTST...another 'to the sky' project from the jet age.  This time it's the EE Canberra WK163, holder of the World Altitude Record in 1957 (when the UK also held the World Air Speed Record aamoi) :clap:   'My' aircraft when it was with Classic Flight now we will see the old girl flying again.  Full details soon from the Trust but great news from the press day at Coventry Airport today.  Here's me with the old bus! :well:

 

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#333 D-Type

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Posted 19 May 2016 - 20:54

Great news!  :clap:

But sadly I don't think they'll be allowed to replicate one of Roland Beamont's "demonstrations".   ):



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 03:28

Raffle to raise money for the preservation of XH558, with some interesting prizes:

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#335 mfd

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 17:04

After the header photo, I see a blank set of pages, no working link to the prizes
Amazes me that everything this shower has tried since 558 stopped flying still relies on crowdfunding.

Edited by mfd, 10 October 2018 - 17:05.