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Poll: Is it time for Max Mosley to go? (240 member(s) have cast votes)

  1. Yes, he is tarnishing the sport. He should go! (190 votes [79.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 79.17%

  2. He does a good and fair job. He needs to stay. (50 votes [20.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.83%

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#101 Risil

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 17:22

Originally posted by manchild


Is that a fair sport? No. Even Hitler was fairer because he allowed even the "lower race" to participate and triumph in 1936 Olympics (Jesse Owens). In a championship governed by K.B.W writer the fairness is much lower than in 1936 Olympics. Of course, Hitler could have acted like Bahrain authorities but he knew that if he prohibits participation of "lower race" in his Olympics they'd be canceled and boycotted because the Olympic committee had moral, dignity and sense about human rights unlike FIA. That was to remind you 70 years ago.


'Israeli' isn't a race, incidentally. Certain Middle-Eastern states barring Israelis entry isn't a million miles away from the ban on Americans from entering Cuba, after all.

Out of interest, though, has an Israeli team member ever been barred access to the Bahrain GP? If it were a driver or high-ranking member, I'm fairly sure a way around the rule would be found, or the race would be cancelled.

*** Fascist Max didn't care much about holding a GP in Communist Hungary, either, when he was the leader of FISA. :stoned:

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#102 giacomo

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 17:48

Originally posted by Risil
*** Fascist Max didn't care much about holding a GP in Communist Hungary, either, when he was the leader of FISA. :stoned:

When Communist Hungary got their Grand Prix, Balestre was El Presidente.

When Mosley became El Presidente, Hungary wasn't Communist any more.

#103 Jacquesback

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 17:53

Originally posted by Risil


ban on Americans from entering Cuba, after all.


There is no ban on US citizens entering Cuba from the Cuban government. The US government however forbids it's citizens from travelling to Cuba.

Many laud Max as a smart guy, however, except his attire I see little that is smart about him. In fact in light of many of his opinions the term "halfwit" might be quite fitting.

I suspect the 20% of support he enjoys in this poll are people who would have thought Mussolini was a great leader.

#104 Risil

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 18:54

Originally posted by giacomo
When Communist Hungary got their Grand Prix, Balestre was El Presidente.

When Mosley became El Presidente, Hungary wasn't Communist any more.


But Max was the head of all sporting decisions before the 1990 race, was he not?

#105 Jacquesback

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 19:02

Originally posted by Risil


But Max was the head of all sporting decisions before the 1990 race, was he not?


Max was elected in 1991!

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 21:01

Originally posted by britishtrident
An annoying thing about Max is he has been rambling on that Ferrari have been in F1 longer than any other team.
Ferrari have been in GP racing 1950 and old man Ferarri did other GP teams pre WW2, however Mercedes and Renault go back more than 100 years in Grand Prix history.

But those aren't the same thing. Ferrari has indeed been in F1 longer than any other team - but that doesn't mean they were the first to participate in a given Grand Prix race. That doesn't matter - Renault was not a team for over a decade, but it was in the 1980s (exact dates escape me), but to say they have been in F1 as a team since then would simply not be true.

Ferrari have been there from the start and participated in more F1 Grand Prix than any other team.

#107 manchild

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 21:26

Originally posted by Risil


'Israeli' isn't a race, incidentally. Certain Middle-Eastern states barring Israelis entry isn't a million miles away from the ban on Americans from entering Cuba, after all.

Out of interest, though, has an Israeli team member ever been barred access to the Bahrain GP? If it were a driver or high-ranking member, I'm fairly sure a way around the rule would be found, or the race would be cancelled.

*** Fascist Max didn't care much about holding a GP in Communist Hungary, either, when he was the leader of FISA. :stoned:


"Israeli" is a nationality and those who have prejudices about whole nationalities are fascists and they should not be a part of F1. If Bahrain wants to host a GP than it must respect basic human rights and enable equal treatment for all teams and their team members. There are no ifs and buts. No one forces them to host a GP.

Yes, there were/are cases where F1 team members couldn't come to Bahrain GP but it's being pushed under the carpet for the sake of profit while in fact it is pure antisemitism bleSSed by both FIA and FOM.

Hey, Mark aren't you working at Bahrain GP this weekend?
No, I can't go because they don't allow Jews on that GP


Is that 2007 Bahrain or 1937 Germany?

Communist Hungary wasn't communist by itself but because it was like many other countries occupied by Russians. F1 moving to Hungary in 1986 helped a lot in fall of iron curtain. It was all in the time of perestroika so what Bernie did by building that circuit in 1986 was a great achievement that shook pillars of communism.

BTW, MoSSley became FIA president in 1993.

#108 Beef Eater

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 22:03

Originally posted by manchild

many other countries occupied by Russians


Bullshit. Who occupied Russia then? Or Russians are absolute devils? Let me remind your own words:

and those who have prejudices about whole nationalities are fascists


What happened to this board?!
What a pity nobody listened to Ross who said that everybody taking "fascist" argument should be banned without any prior notice.

#109 SÚbastien

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 22:25

Originally posted by Beef Eater
What happened to this board?!
What a pity nobody listened to Ross who said that everybody taking "fascist" argument should be banned without any prior notice.

Yep I agree the "fascist" argument and/or race card seems to be acceptable lately, the guy even threw in a subtle "MoSSley" SS link.... despicable and imo unacceptable, just like a poster who recently thought that mentioning "Operation Todt" when discussing Jean Todt at Ferrari was funny :(

#110 Lazarus II

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 23:07

I hope Lewis moves in next door to Max. That could be fun with 50 Cent parties and all. FU Max :rotfl:

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 23:09

Originally posted by manchild
Hello everyone,

I won't talk too much in my first post (possibly the last too)


After reading the first paragraph, I thought, lets hope so.
Fat chance. Since then we┬┤ve been subject to a couple more posts filled with hate and drivel. You don┬┤t like Max? Ok, that┬┤s your problem. But if you want to get all political and ideological, please, this is not the place. I┬┤m sure you can find a far more suitable forum if you try hard. This anti Max crap has become so boring it┬┤s not even funny any more.
If Max is this nazi racist you claim he is, then how come his biggest mate in F1 (and the man he is grooming to succeed him allegedly), according to every anti Ferrari poster on here, is Jean Todt, and Todt is jewish........
Wake up and smell the coffee.

PS. You don┬┤t have to answer. It was a rhetorical question.

#112 SÚbastien

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 23:32

[i]This anti Max crap has become so boring it┬┤s not even funny any more.
If Max is this nazi racist you claim he is, then how come his biggest mate in F1 (and the man he is grooming to succeed him allegedly), according to every anti Ferrari poster on here, is Jean Todt, and Todt is jewish........[/B]

How true, the frustration about McLaren's behaviour, Ferrari's success, and FIA's rulings this year have driven some to absolute extremes.
Look at this quote from a self proclaimed "adult" posting here:

I hope Lewis moves in next door to Max. That could be fun with 50 Cent parties and all. FU Max

I think this is the stuff 12 year olds produce when chatting amongst eachother.

#113 manchild

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 00:45

Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer

If Max is this nazi racist you claim he is, then how come his biggest mate in F1 (and the man he is grooming to succeed him allegedly), according to every anti Ferrari poster on here, is Jean Todt, and Todt is jewish........
Wake up and smell the coffee.

PS. You don┬┤t have to answer. It was a rhetorical question.


I'll answer anyway.

I quoted BCC and some other sources who report about his fascist and racist activities during his political career. So that's based on facts. If you think that K.B.W graffiti he wrote in the time when Hamilton's granddad could read them tell nothing about him well that's your problem.

Ever read or heard him denying what he did, ever hear of some remorse or something that would tell us that he changed his beliefs? I haven't and therefore I think he is in conflict of interests since F1 is multi-racial sport and he apparently stands with his old beliefs.

Regarding Jean Todt. Well, he probably thinks Jean Todt is related to Fritz Todt, member of the SS and founder of Organisation Todt. :p

http://www.jewishvir...raphy/Todt.html

#114 Lazarus II

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 04:37

Originally posted by S├ębastien

How true, the frustration about McLaren's behaviour, Ferrari's success, and FIA's rulings this year have driven some to absolute extremes.
Look at this quote from a self proclaimed "adult" posting here:


I think this is the stuff 12 year olds produce when chatting amongst eachother.

You don't see the irony in the possibility of Hamilton moving nest door to Max? I think it would be hallarious.

I spell it out for you. Max is a silver spoon boy with a facist bigoted parents. (The apple didn't fall too far from the tree according history). Lewis is not quite familiar with Max's upbringing and yet he made use of his talents and buys the house next door to the silver spoon fed Max. Hell that could be a great sitcom.....oh wait it already has been :lol: Max is Archie Bunker :lol:

#115 ex Rhodie racer

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 10:13

Originally posted by manchild


I'll answer anyway.

Regarding Jean Todt. Well, he probably thinks Jean Todt is related to Fritz Todt, member of the SS and founder of Organisation Todt. :p


You answer my question with more drivel like this? You could have saved yourself the time.
Actually, my post was never intended in order to start a discusion with you, but rather to inform you that you are on the wrong forum for this type of nonsense.
BTW, I bet you you wouldn┬┤t level these charges directly to Max himself. The "stupid man" would have your arse so fast your feet wouldn┬┤t touch the ground.
You are a keyboard warrior and a coward of the worst kind it would appear.

I have nothing further to add on this subject.

#116 Risil

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 11:37

Originally posted by Jacquesback


Max was elected in 1991!


Yes, but he was head of the FIA's sporting wing, FISA, from 1986 onwards.

#117 giacomo

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 13:32

Originally posted by Risil

Yes, but he was head of the FIA's sporting wing, FISA, from 1986 onwards.

Nope. He became not the president of the FISA in 1986, but the president of the FISA Manufacturers Commission.

Balestre was president of the FISA from 1979 to 1991, and president of the FIA from 1986 to 1993.

#118 Risil

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 14:19

Originally posted by giacomo
Nope. He became not the president of the FISA in 1986, but the president of the FISA Manufacturers Commission.

Balestre was president of the FISA from 1979 to 1991, and president of the FIA from 1986 to 1993.


Aha. :) In any case, I am slightly confused what the hell is going on here. Is someone seriously suggesting that Max Mosley is an ongoing Fascist and racist, and uses these views to influence FIA policy? And using as sole evidence the fact that a Grand Prix was held in a Middle-Eastern country which refuses to recognise the existence of the State of Israel, founded under somewhat shady circumstances, and that he once said that Lewis Hamilton dominating F1 in the next 10-15 years might be bad for the sport? That level of evidence wouldn't stand up even at the WMSC.

Additionally, I personally find it unlikely that if Max allowed his alleged extreme right-wing views to affect his public decisions, he would not have supplied chassis to 1) A woman, 2) a homosexual, or 3) the son of a Russian-Jewish emigr├ę.



***And further additionally on the topic of Max, while googling around on him I found a rather affecting news story relating to his alleged snub of Ayrton Senna's funeral. Mosley instead flew to Austria to attend the service of Roland Ratzenberger, remarking that 'Roland had been forgotten,' and that 'I went to his funeral because everyone went to Senna's. I thought it was important that somebody went to his.' Probably a lot of people already know this, but it is compelling evidence that he is in fact a human being.

#119 LeD

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 14:44

I don't believe that for a moment Max Mosley is an on-going fascist, in the political sense of the term. Do I believe that he has authoritarian tendencies, and uses his undoubted political skills to stifle dissent and to set and achieve his own agenda through the gerrymandering of the FIA constituencies, and the manipulation of institutional statutes? Yes I do. Do I believe that these authoritarian tendencies stem from his genetic profile? Maybe. Probably.

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#120 giacomo

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 14:49

Who cares about Mosleys daddy. He's doing a miserable job since years and that's why he should go.

#121 LeD

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 15:16

I quite agree, giacomo

#122 manchild

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 15:41

Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer

BTW, I bet you you wouldn┬┤t level these charges directly to Max himself. The "stupid man" would have your arse so fast your feet wouldn┬┤t touch the ground.
You are a keyboard warrior and a coward of the worst kind it would appear.

I have nothing further to add on this subject.


I don't mingle with fascists and racist so I couldn't get in position to get face to face with him. I have nothing to say to him anyway. He is what he is and I just don't like him on top of the FIA.

Calling me names only proves that you have no counter evidence to deny what's written in BBC archive news, Wikipedia and elsewhere about his personal political career (not about daddy, mommy, aunt and uncle). Even more, standing up in defense of this guy is indicative that you're probably not much further from his political ideas either.

MoSSley wrote all over London K.B.W - Keep Britain White graffiti. Look it up on the net just as I did. If you don't see that as an obstacle for position of head of multi-racial sport than you'd probably wouldn't object if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be positioned on top of the MI5.

I'm also done talking. See you at the F1 funeral in a couple of years. Fortunately I'm old enough to remember it in its glory days. This modern banana "buy chassis who cares about WCC and what's written in regualtions" F1 won't last long because that's exactly what brings down regimes in corrupted third-world countries when those who write the laws don't stick to them and apply them only when it suits them.

Run out of toilet paper? Use FIA F1 technical regulations!

To sum it up. This topic is about MoSSley, right? I was talking about him, analyzing his ability to impartially govern F1 trough the known historical facts about his political career. Fascism and racism were the essence of political ideas he promoted while he was in the politics.

In every organization, institution or a company candidate's background is being check to see if he is suitable for the position in question. If a person was politically active as a fascist and a racist than by the nature of F1 as multi-racial sport such person is not suitable to govern it at all. He simply can't be trusted. As simple as that.

Therefore, it is not my fault that I'm bringing it up. If someone can't take the truth that doesn't mean that I'm ranting. I'm talking about viewpoints and public work of person whose name is in title topic. So, am I off topic or just happen to get some people pissed because they don't share my opinion and have nothing to back up theirs?

#123 SirSaltire

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 16:18

YES!

#124 Owen

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 16:21

Can we reset the poll and take another hand count??

#125 SÚbastien

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 16:28

Originally posted by Owen
Can we reset the poll and take another hand count??

What's the point Max isn't going anywhere for now, but well if it helps you deal with your obvious frustration and anger than by all means lets poll again :smoking:

#126 Owen

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 16:42

Originally posted by S├ębastien

What's the point Max isn't going anywhere for now, but well if it helps you deal with your obvious frustration and anger than by all means lets poll again :smoking:


The only way of dealing with my obvious frustration is the removal of Max I'm afraid.

#127 Buttoneer

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 17:25

Originally posted by Owen


The only way of dealing with my obvious frustration is the removal of Max I'm afraid.

From the FIA or this mortal coil?

#128 SirSaltire

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 17:29

Seeing as the FIA are supposedly interested in what 'the fans' have to say (on-line survey etc), how about having the head of the FIA elected from a public vote of the fans instead of a bunch of kow-towing yes men!

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 14:45

Interestingly, the percentage wanting Mosley to resign and those opposed are pretty much the same in the latest poll. :)