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#1 fines

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 19:41

1929 Pacific Southwest
1 Mel Kenealy, ? points
2 Francis Quinn, ? points
3 Charley Gelston, ? points
4 Ernie Triplett, ? points
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

Note: other sources show Quinn finishing 3rd

1930 Pacific Southwest
1 Francis Quinn, ? points
2 Mel Kenealy, ? points
3 Walt May, ? points
4 Ernie Triplett, ? points
5 Wilbur Shaw, ? points
6 Stubby Stubblefield, ? points
7 Swede Smith, ? points
8 Arvol Brunmier, ? points
9 Herman Schurch, ? points
10 Shorty Cantlon, ? points

Note: other sources show Jimmy Sharp finishing 2nd!

1931 Pacific Southwest
1 Ernie Triplett, ? points
2 Chet Gardner, ? points
3 Stubby Stubblefield, ? Points
4 Francis Quinn, ? points
5 Arvol Brunmier, ? points
6 Les Spangler, ? points
7 Babe Stapp, ? points
8 Bill Cummings, ? points
9 Mel Kenealy, ? points
10 Kelly Petillo, ? points

1932 Pacific Southwest
1 Ernie Triplett, ? points
2 Les Spangler, ? points
3 Wilbur Shaw, ? points
4 Chet Gardner, ? points
5 Bill Cummings, ? points
6 Bob Carey, ? points
7 Babe Stapp, ? points
8 Kelly Petillo, ? points
9 Sam Palmer, ? points
10 Arvol Brunmier, ? points

1933 Eastern Circuit
1 Bob Sall, ? points
2 Johnny Hannon, ? points
3 Billy Winn, ? points
4 Doc MacKenzie, ? points
5 Lloyd Vieaux, ? points
6 Johnny Gerber, ? points
7 Ken Fowler, ? points
8 Harris Insinger, ? points
9 Jimmy Patterson, ? points
10 Maynard Clark, ? points

1933 Midwestern Circuit
1 Chet Gardner, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1933 Pacific Coast
1 Al Gordon, ? points
2 Rex Mays, ? points
3 Ernie Triplett, ? points
4 Kelly Petillo, ? points
5 Chet Gardner, ? points
6 Mel Kenealy, ? points
7 Herb Balmer, ? points
8 Carl Ryder, ? points
9 Wilbur Shaw, ? points
10 Babe Stapp, ? points

1934 Eastern Circuit
1 Johnny Hannon, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 (?) Bob Sall, ? points
6 ?
7 ?
8 (?) Vern Orenduff, ? points
9 ?
10 (?) Ken Fowler, ? points

1934 Midwestern Circuit
1 Al Theisen, ? points
2 Rex Mays, ? points
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1934 Pacific Coast
1 Rex Mays, 478.73 points
2 Floyd Roberts, 425.37 points
3 Al Gordon, 321.53 points
4 Kelly Petillo, 214.6 points
5 Harris Insinger, 179.36 points
6 George Connor, 156.42 points
7 (?) Red Clark, ? points
8 Pierre Bertrand, ? points
9 (?) Frank Wearne, ? points
10 (?) Ted Horn, 87.43 (?) points

1935 Eastern Circuit
1 Doc MacKenzie, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1935 Midwestern Circuit
1 Babe Stapp, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1935 Pacific Coast
1 Rex Mays, 856.68 points
2 Kelly Petillo, 378.19 points
3 Al Gordon, 335.03 points
4 Frank Wearne, 324.3 points
5 Ray Pixley, 242.24 points
6 Hal Cole, 199.3 points
7 George Connor, 178.93 points
8 Frank McGurk, 137.8 points
9 Chris Vest, 130.45 points
10 Chet Gardner, 125.19 points

1936 Eastern Circuit
1 Frankie Bailey, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1936 Midwestern Circuit
1 Rex Mays, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 (?) Ted Horn, 163.5 (?) points
9 ?
10 ?

1937 Eastern Circuit
1 Frankie Beeder, ? points
2 (?) Duke Nalon, ? points
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1937 Midwestern (Central?) Circuit
1 Rex Mays, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 (?) Ted Horn, 206 (?) points
10 ?

1938 Eastern Circuit
1 Duke Nalon, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 (?) Ted Horn, 369 (?) points

1938 Midwestern (Central?) Circuit
1 Ted Horn, 460 (?) points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1939 Eastern Circuit
1 Joie Chitwood, 914 points
2 Mark Light, 670 points
3 Tony Willman, 475 points
4 Tommy Hinnershitz, 430.5 points
5 Walt Brown, 424 points
6 Bill Holland, 414.5 points
7 Vic Nauman, 402 points
8 Mike Little, 376 points
9 Lee Wallard, 299 points
10 Buster Warke, 282.5 points

1939 Midwestern (Central?) Circuit
1 Ted Horn, 315 points
2 Rex Mays, 194 points
3 George Connor, 93 points
4 Emil Andres, 88 points
5 Floyd Davis, 84.5 points
6 Louie Webb, 67.5 points
7 Shorty Cantlon, 58.5 points
8 Louis Durant, 57.5 points
9 Tony Willman, 55 points
10 Mauri Rose, 52 points

Note: most sources show Mays finishing 1st!

1940 Eastern Circuit
1 Joie Chitwood, ? points
2 Bill Holland, ? points
3 (?) Ted Horn, 815 (?) points
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1940 Midwestern (Central?) Circuit
1 Emil Andres, ? points
2 ?
3 (?) Ted Horn, 152 (?) points
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1941 Eastern Circuit
1 Bill Holland, ? points
2 Hank Rogers, ? points
3 ?
4 ?
5 Duke Nalon, ? points
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

1941 Midwestern (Central?) Circuit
1 Duke Nalon, ? points
2 Tony Bettenhausen, ? points
3 Elbert Booker, ? points
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?


Can anyone fill in names or point figures? Anything appreciated!!! Thnx!

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 20:18

I can’t help as much as I thought I might have been able to:

1935 Eastern - Bob Sall runner-up to Mackenzie
1935 Midwest - Chet Gardner runner-up to Stapp
1937 Central States - 1 Everett Saylor, 2 Joie Chitwood
1938 Midwest - Duke Nalon 5th
1941 Eastern - Duke Nalon 6th

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 20:47

Thanks, David, you're one of those I was counting on! :) Have you seen the Hankinson thread?

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 20:51

Oh, and btw, the 1937 data is from the CSRA Championship - I actually have much better data for those than AAA: top 15 for 1942, 25 for 1940/41, top 35 for 1937-9 and top 70 for 1936!!! :lol:

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 21:48

For the record, here are the pre-war non-AAA Big Car Champions that I know of, perversly starting with the AAA "Class B" Champions:

1933 (Pacific Coast) Swede Smith
1938 (Eastern Circuit) Mark Light
1939 (Eastern Circuit) Johnny Ulesky
1940 (Eastern Circuit) Monk Tadlock

AMRA (Atlantic Motor Racing Association - NJ, PA)
1936 Dutch Culp
1937 Charlie Breslin
1938 Jack McNeal
1939 Jack McNeal
=> PJARC

ARA (American Racing Association - CA)
1928 Jack Buxton (?)
1934 Bayliss Levrett (?)
1936 Art Armstrong
1937 Freddie Agabashian
1938 Bud Rose
1939 Wally Schock
1940 Wally Schock
1941 Tex Saunders
=> NARC in 1960

ARA (Automobile Racing Association - NY, PA, NJ, MD)
1933 Johnny Cebula
1934 Bill Holmes
1935 Myke Collins

CPRC (Central Pennsylvania Racing Club), also PCI (Penn-Central Independent) and EIRC (Eastern Independent Racing Club)
1935 George Herman
1936 Mark Light
1937 Dave Wilt
1938 Paul Young
1939 Jerry Donmoyer
=> PJARC

CSRA (Central States Racing Association - IN, OH, PA), later Consolidated States Racing Association and including the entire Hankinson circuit from ME to GA
1935 Bud Henderson
1936 Red Campbell
1937 Ev Saylor
1938 Jimmie Wilburn
1939 Jimmie Wilburn
1940 Jimmie Wilburn
1941 Ted Horn
1942 Joie Chitwood

ESARA (Eastern States Auto Racing Association - ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT)
1940 Dizzy Vance
1941 Bumpy Bumpus

GSARA (Garden State Auto Racing Association - NJ)
1933 Johnny Ulesky
1934 Johnnie Matera
1935 Al Lattanzio
1936 Walt Ader
1937 Bub Walker

ICNY (Innerstate Circuit of New York or Independent Circuit of NY)
1939 George Bouley

IMCA (International Motor Contest Association - ND to FL, TX to ME) - early Champions unclear, perhaps different circuits
1919 Louis Disbrow
1920 Louis Disbrow
1921 Louis Disbrow
1922 Louis Disbrow
1923 Fred Horey
1924 Fred Horey
1925 Fred Horey
1926 Fred Horey
1927 Fred Horey
1928 Sig Haugdahl
1929 Sig Haugdahl
1930 Sig Haugdahl
1931 Sig Haugdahl
1932 Sig Haugdahl
1933 Gus Schrader
1934 Gus Schrader
1935 Gus Schrader
1936 Gus Schrader
1937 Gus Schrader
1938 Emory Collins
1939 Gus Schrader
1940 Gus Schrader
1941 Gus Schrader

NARA (National Auto Racing Association) => ARA

NEBCRA (New England Big Car Association)
1934 John Figuerado
1935 Bob King
1936 Herm Delisle
1937 Dick Shuebruk
1938 Sonny Martin
1939 Dick Shuebruk
1940 Dick Shuebruk
1941 George Cavanna

NMRA (National Motor Racing Association - PA, NJ)
1928 Jimmy Gleason (?)
1930 Johnny Hannon (?)
=> NARA/ARA in 1933 (?)

PJARC (Penn-Jersey Auto Racing Club - PA, NJ)
1940 Harry Harper
1941 Earl Johns
=> NARA in 1950

SAST (? - GA, FL?)
1938 Ev Saylor
1939 Buddie Rusch

SSA (Savannah Speedway Association - GA), probably a Track Championship
1938 Ev Saylor

STRC (Southern Tier Racing Club - NY)
1938 Hank Bruning
1939 Les Shaffer
1940 Les Shaffer
1941 Amos Hill
=> ESRA in 1947

WARA (Western Auto Racing Association - WA, OR, CA), possibly Washington Auto Racing Association
1929 Swede Smith
1930 Howard Wills
1931 Mario Bianchi
1932 Mario Bianchi (?)
1933 Art Scovell
1934 Woody Woodford
1935 Jimmie Wilburn
1936 Frank Wearne
1938 Adolph Dans
1939 Chick Barbo (?)

WRA (Western Racing Association - CA)
=> CRA in 1954

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 22:28

Do you need other placings for those, too?
I could help with some

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 04:30

Originally posted by fines


1933 Eastern Circuit
1 Bob Sall, ? points
2 Johnny Hannon, ? points
3 Billy Winn, ? points
4 Doc MacKenzie, ? points
5 Lloyd Vieaux, ? points
6 Johnny Gerber, ? points
7 Ken Fowler, ? points
8 Harris Insinger, ? points
9 Jimmy Patterson, ? points
10 Maynard Clark, ? points

1933 Midwestern Circuit
1 Chet Gardner, ? points
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

point figures? Anything appreciated!!! Thnx! [/B]


This is from a bunch of photocopies sent to me of "The Complete Ray Kuns Auto Racing Book" by Idaho Don.

mid-western dirt track championship point standings -- 1933

name, city, no. of events, points

"Chet" Gardner, Long Beach, Cal., 7, 456
Sam Hoffman, Sioux City, Iowa, 5, 432
Sam Palmer, Los Angeles, Cal., 9, 413
Ira Hall, Terre Haute, Ind., 8, 363
Wilbur Shaw, Hollywood, Cal., 2, 360
Mauri Rose, Columbus, Ohio, 7, 350
John Sawyer, Milwaukee, Wis., 9, 334
Clay Corbitt, Columbus, Ohio, 5, 306
"Bill" Cummings, Pasadena, Cal., 5, 184
Frank Brisko, Milwaukee, Wis., 4, 161

eastern dirt track championship point standings -- 1933

name, city, no. of events, points

Bob Sall, Hawthorned, N.J., 35, 1074
John C. Hannon, Bridgeport, Pa., 26, 1036
Billy Winn, Kansas City, Mo., 22, 672
Geo. D. "Doc" Mackenzie, Eddington, Pa., 25, 536
Lloyd Vieaux, Los Angeles, Cal., 22, 499
John Gerber, Stanwood, Iowa, 13, 372
Kenneth Fowler, Paterson, N.J., 22, 371
Harris Insinger, Germantown, Pa., 16, 348
Jimmy Patterson, Philadelphia, Pa., 19, 328
Maynard Clark, Milan, Ill., 14, 304

The only number that stands out is the "35" races Bob Sall ran. Might be a typo as it is way out of whack with everyone else's numbers. But maybe there were 35 races and Bob ran them.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 05:00

Originally posted by fines


1932 Pacific Southwest
1 Ernie Triplett, ? points
2 Les Spangler, ? points
3 Wilbur Shaw, ? points
4 Chet Gardner, ? points
5 Bill Cummings, ? points
6 Bob Carey, ? points
7 Babe Stapp, ? points
8 Kelly Petillo, ? points
9 Sam Palmer, ? points
10 Arvol Brunmier, ? points


1933 Pacific Coast
1 Al Gordon, ? points
2 Rex Mays, ? points
3 Ernie Triplett, ? points
4 Kelly Petillo, ? points
5 Chet Gardner, ? points
6 Mel Kenealy, ? points
7 Herb Balmer, ? points
8 Carl Ryder, ? points
9 Wilbur Shaw, ? points
10 Babe Stapp, ? points


1934 Pacific Coast
1 Rex Mays, 478.73 points
2 Floyd Roberts, 425.37 points
3 Al Gordon, 321.53 points
4 Kelly Petillo, 214.6 points
5 Harris Insinger, 179.36 points
6 George Connor, 156.42 points
7 (?) Red Clark, ? points
8 Pierre Bertrand, ? points
9 (?) Frank Wearne, ? points
10 (?) Ted Horn, 87.43 (?) points


From the July 1978 (volume 4, number 4) issue of Old Car Illustrated, an article entitled "A Long Look Back: part one", pages 14 - 21:

1932 final AAA Pacific Coast championship point standings

1, Ernie Triplett, 841.88
2, Lester Spangler, 573.06
3, Wilbur Shaw, 550.56
4, Chester Gardner, 425.31
5, Bill Cummings, 386.13
6, Bob Carey, 338.70
7, Babe Stapp, 299.24
8, Kelly Petillo, 296.50
9, Sam Palmer, 283.25
Arvol Brummier (retired), 200.24
10, Carl Ryder, 188.37

1933 final AAA Pacific Coast championship point standings

1, Al Gordon, 883.82
2, Rex Mays, 628.34
3, Ernest Triplett, 604.27
4, Kelly Petillo, 337.49
5, Chester Gordon, 296.90
6, Mel Keneally, 273.74
7, Herb Balmer, 195.39
8, Carl Ryder, 152.97
9, Wilbur Shaw, 147.27
10, Babe Stapp, 113.11

1934 final AAA Pacific Coast championship point standing

1, Rex Mays, 478.73
2, Floyd Roberts, 425.37
3, Al Gordon, 321.53
4, Kelly Petillo, 214.16
5, George Connors, 156.45
6, Frank Wearne, 146.45
7, Red Clark, 128.46
8, Pierre Bertrand, 102.06
9, Carl Ryder, 101.32
10, Ted Horn, 87.43

Not sure what's up with the 1932 Arvol Brummier (spelled with two "ems") being "(retired)". And the 1934 top ten is a bit different from your info.

I did double check the info from the article with what I typed in.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 15:38

Originally posted by David McKinney
Do you need other placings for those, too?
I could help with some

David, do you have Microsoft Excel? If so, I'll mail you an Excel sheet with what I have, to avoid duplication, and for your enjoyment (it contains quite a bit of extra info).

On second thoughts, please post what you have, if it isn't too much work - it'll be interesting to see what other sources yield, since some of mine are a bit suspect. I can mail you the Excel sheet anyway.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 15:51

Brian, that's simply brilliant! :up:

A few points: Bob Sall may very well have driven in 35 races in 1933, there were certainly more championship rounds than that - I have dates for 56 races in 1933, and I don't think my list is complete! The Hankinson circuit was BIG in those days: I have four races for Labour Day and five races for Oct 7 alone...

About Brunmier (I believe that's the correct spelling), these year-end tabulations were sometimes a bit quirky, in that they were mostly ordered by competition numbers for the following year, which then often ignored deceased and retired drivers, as well as numbers 11, 13, 20 and so on. Brunmier retired very publically after marrying on the Ascot homestraight, so by the common logic he would have no use for a number in 1933, hence his omission from the point standings.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:17

Mid-West 1934

1 Al Theisen 299.2
2 Rex Mays 284.2
3 Mauri Rose 280
4 Doc Mackenzie 268
5 Chet Gardner 239
6 Charles Engle 232.2
7 Kelly Petillo 224
8 Emil Andres 203.6
9 Clay Weatherly 202
10 Maynard Clark 191

(NARN 16 Dec 1934, p11)



Eastern 1935

1 Doc Mackenzie 1397.6
2 Bob Sall 1201
3 Vern Orenduff 817
4 John Duncan 758.6
5 Ken Fowler 731
6 Ben Shaw 574
7 Chet Gardner 556.8
8 Chuck Tabor

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:22

Top stuff, John! Thanks a lot! :up:

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:31

Mid-West 1934

1 Al Theisen 299.2
2 Rex Mays 284.2
3 Mauri Rose 280
4 Doc Mackenzie 268
5 Chet Gardner 239
6 Charles Engle 232.2
7 Kelly Petillo 224
8 Emil Andres 203.6
9 Clay Weatherly 202
10 Maynard Clark 191

(NARN 16 Dec 1934, p11)



Eastern 1935

1 Doc Mackenzie 1397.6
2 Bob Sall 1201
3 Vern Orenduff 817
4 John Duncan 758.6
5 Ken Fowler 731
6 Ben Shaw 574
7 Chet Gardner 556.8
8 Chuck Tabor 480.5
9 Ed Staneck 464
10 Len Perry 450

(NARN 26 Dec 1935, p2)


Hopefully I will be able to find a few more Top Tens but the reporting in NARN is very patchy.


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Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:45

Much appreciated! May I remind you of the Hankinson thread, also? I can't believe no one's able to help me with that one... :(

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:05

Can't add much, Michael
1938 CSRA: Wilburn 1, Chitwood 2, Maurice Musick 4, Everett Saylor 4
1938 IMCA: Schrader 2nd
1941 IMCA: Schrader 1, Wilburn 2
1942: IMCA series run but no champion named

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 10:41

The annual preview of the big car racing in the Mid-West 1935 was very superficial and contains no list of point scorers, stating that big car races were "few and far between". Babe Stapp was stated as the champion.

1936 Mid-West

1 Rex Mays 408
2 Wilbur Shaw 310.5
3 Chet Gardner 288
4 Billy Winn 274
5 Bill Cummings 232
6 Frank McGurk 199.5
7 Tony Willman 192
8 Ted Horn 163.5
9 Frank Brisco 140
10 Emil Andres 136

(NARN 10 Dec, 1936 p4)


1936 Eastern

1 Frank Bailey 990.4
2 Tommy Hinnershitz 902.2
3 Vern Orenduff 582.2
4 Bob Sall 581.4
5 Frank Beeder 558
6 Johnny Duncan 547.1
7 Tony Willman 425.2
8 Ken Fowler 362.8
9 Len Perry 323.3
10 Harry Angeloni 315.2

(NARN 3 Dec, 1936, p9)

Sadly there is no record of final point scorers for either the 1937 and 1938 Eastern or Mid-West divisions in NARN that I can find.


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Posted 02 November 2007 - 18:28

Thanks again, John!

Yes, the Midwestern Circuit was always the poor relation of its two brethren, but ironically 50 years later it was all that was left for USAC! In the thirties, there were typically about one to two dozen races in the Midwest compared to ca. 40 to 50 high-$$$ events on the "left" coast and usually more than 60 races in the East. By the end of the fifties, USAC's presence west of the Rockies was zilch, and the Eastern Circuit had lost more than 90% of its races to rival sanctioning bodies, stock car racing and... television!

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:21

Michael

AAA Central 1940

1 Emil Andres 180
2 Rex Mays 170
3 Ted Horn 152
4 Duke Nolan 132
5 Harry McQuinn 100
6 Paul Russo 88
7 George Connor 82
8 Buddy Hough 52
9 Tommy Hinnershitz 44
10 Joe Thorne 40

(NARN 14 Nov 1940 p3 last list published)

AAA Eastern 1940

1 Joey Chitwood 1029
2 Bill Holland 981
3 Ted Horn 815
4 Tony Willman 642
5 Duke Nalon 608
6 Mark Light 600
7 Everett Saylor 598
8 Vic Nauman 547
9 Bob Sall 537
10 Buddy Rusch 467

(NARN 19 Dec 1940 p16)

AAA Mid-West 1941

1 Duke Nalon 607
2 Tony Bettenhausen 520
3 Elbert Booker 305
4 Spider Webb 261
5 Bill Holland 230
6 George Connor 186
7 Cecil Burnaugh 159.5
8 Steve Truchan 150
9 Fred Teglmeir 126
10 Paul Russo 112

(NARN 25 Dec 1941 p5)

AAA Eastern 1941

1 Bill Holland 786
2 Henry Rogers 470
3 Walt Ader 407
4 Vic Nauman 374
5 Dave Randolph 331
6 Duke Nalon 285
7 Frank McGurk 247
8 Joe Sanco 226
9 E. Casterline 205
10 Mark Light 195

(NARN 25 Dec 1941 p7)

When time permits I'll check out the Hankinson circuits champions.

John

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 17:25

Originally posted by fines
For the record, here are the pre-war non-AAA Big Car Champions that I know of, perversly starting with the AAA "Class B" Champions:

ARA (American Racing Association - CA)
1928 Jack Buxton (?)
=> NARC in 1960

WARA (Western Auto Racing Association - WA, OR, CA), possibly Washington Auto Racing Association

WRA (Western Racing Association - CA)
=> CRA in 1954


Looking at this list, ARA is definitely the group that became NARC and competed in Northern/Central California. I can't explain Buxton, the one glaring difference from the Northern California drivers (oh, and the year as well).

The WARA is Washington state.

WRA did not became CRA. CRA was a separate entity that ran roadsters and eventually allowed Sprint Cars in with them and then finally switched over to Sprint Car bodywork around 1957. As I understand it, J.C. Agajanian folded the WRA to allow for AAA sanctioning c. 1950.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 17:59

Originally posted by fines

WRA (Western Racing Association - CA)
=> CRA in 1954


WRA
1941 - Kenny Palmer

Kenny Palmer also listed as "unofficial" 1948 WRA champion as he was leading the point standings when the association was merged with ARA.

All of this, and more, in the 1949 West Coast Annual, including an item on the cessation of the WRA during the 1948 season. Also full points for 1948 AAA Pacific Coast :wave:

Profiles and short bios of the drivers in Sprints, Midgets, CRA and Stock Cars. Points and re-caps of AAA.

If you are interested in those Michael, start a post-WWII thread (or bump an existing one back) and I'll post it there.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 17:02

:clap: Fabulous, John, thank you! :clap:

Jim, I am aware that the CRA was a seperate organisation, it's just that I read somewhere that WRA collpased in 1953 and 1954 was the first of the four "change-over" years from roadsters to sprinters for CRA, so I thought of it as a de facto continuation of a line... never mind, just scratch it! :D

Now you're telling me WRA merged with ARA after Aggie left? Hm, that would be news to me but I suppose it's possible. OTOH I wouldn't be surprised if the 1950 West Coast Annual had an item on the launch of a "new" WRA... Also, I have a note about the famous Midget organisation URA presenting Sprint Car races in 1952 and '53!?

Am I interested in the 1949 West Coast Annual? Was Bill France a stock car fan?

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 17:04

Another thing: the MDTRA (Midwestern Dirt Track Racing Association), running mostly in Indiana, was quite likely already in existence before WW2, but I don't have any champions until after the war.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 18:27

Originally posted by fines
:clap: Fabulous, John, thank you! :clap:

Jim, I am aware that the CRA was a seperate organisation, it's just that I read somewhere that WRA collpased in 1953 and 1954 was the first of the four "change-over" years from roadsters to sprinters for CRA, so I thought of it as a de facto continuation of a line... never mind, just scratch it! :D


I understand completely Michael and can see how and why you thought that. Despite our seeming miscommunications, this one I get :D I had thought the WRA collapsed c. 1950 or 1951.


Now you're telling me WRA merged with ARA after Aggie left? Hm, that would be news to me but I suppose it's possible. OTOH I wouldn't be surprised if the 1950 West Coast Annual had an item on the launch of a "new" WRA... Also, I have a note about the famous Midget organisation URA presenting Sprint Car races in 1952 and '53!?

Am I interested in the 1949 West Coast Annual? Was Bill France a stock car fan?


It is and was, at least according to the Annual. I do not have anything on URA Sprints.

As far as wondering if you would be interested...yes, that was a rather silly question, wasn't it? ;)

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 18:58

Was Fangio a good driver?

Did A. J. Foyt have a long career?

Is the Indy 500 a famous race?

Is the Nürburgring Nordschleife a difficult circuit?

Is Don Capps a grouchy old man?

:D

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 19:01

Is the pope roman catholic?

Is it dark at night?

Is snow cold?

Does Ray Bell post a lot?

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 19:03

Should fines shut up?

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 19:55

:rotfl:

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 08:24

Found a bit of info in the short profiles of inductees to the Sprint Car Hall of Fame, a few of which are excellently researched and written by people like Donald Davidson or Don Radbruch, others are drivel coming straight from dodgy sources like John Lucero's Legion Ascot book, but anyway:

1932 Eastern Circuit (perhaps inofficial, sources are split)

1 Bryan Saulpaugh
2 Billy Winn
3 Bob Sall


1934 Eastern Circuit

1 Johnny Hannon
2 Billy Winn


1937 Eastern Circuit

1 Frankie Beeder
2 Bob Sall


1937 Midwest

1 Rex Mays
2 Jimmy Snyder
3 Billy Winn


1938 Eastern Circuit

1 Duke Nalon
2 Tommy Hinnershitz

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 21:45

Here's an example of the scope of these championships, and even if the list is probably not complete, the number of races is quite typical for the entire period of the thirties. You can see that the National Championship was but a VERY SMALL part of the US racing scene in those years!

!!!The data is not only incomplete, but also quite suspect in a number of cases, especially entrant and car info!!!

Date		D  CR  St  Venue		 TT   RD  Winner				Team/Owner			Chassis			   Engine				Time



1932-05-30  C   1  IN  Indianapolis  P+  500  Fred Frame			Harry Hartz		   Miller-Hartz IC-32	Miller-Hartz 182	  4:48'47.46"

1932-06-05  C   2  MI  Detroit	   D1  100* Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Meyer IC-31		   Miller 230-249		1:09'32.63"

1932-06-19  C   3  IN  Roby		  D1  100  Stubby Stubblefield   Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick IC-32  Miller 220			1:18'40.2"

1932-07-02  C   4  NY  Syracuse	  D1  100* Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Meyer IC-31		   Miller 230-249		  59'53.52"

1932-09-10  C   5  MI  Detroit	   D1  100  Mauri Rose			Louis Schneider	   Schneider IC-30	   Miller 122-152		1:20'34.43"

1932-11-13  C   6  CA  Oakland	   D1  150  Bill Cummings		 Mike Boyle			Miller 230			Miller 230-268		1:39'29.8"



1932-05-07  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Bill Cummings		 Louis Schneider	   Fronty				Fronty SV			 ?

1932-05-15  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  Fred Frame			Fred Frame			Duesenberg 122-30	 Duesenberg 91-150	 ?

1932-05-22  E   ?  NY  Deer Park	 D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-05-22  E   ?  PA  Lehighton	 D-   15* ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-05-28  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   25  Al Theisen			?					 Vance				 ?					 ?

1932-05-29  E   ?  NY  Deer Park	 D-	5  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-05-30  E   ?  MA  Brockton	  D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-05-30  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-05-30  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-06-05  E   ?  NY  Deer Park	 D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-06-05  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-06-17  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-06-19  E   ?  NY  Deer Park	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-06-26  E   ?  NH  Salem		 D1   50  Al Gordon			 Doug Harrison		 Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1932-07-04  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   20  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-07-09  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   20  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Clemons			   Fronty				?

1932-07-09  E   ?  PA  Bloomsburg	D-   20  Gus Schrader		  Gus Schrader		  Schrader SC-32		Miller 220			?

1932-07-17  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Clemons			   Fronty				?

1932-07-24  E   ?  NY  Plattsburgh   D-   15  Harris Insinger	   Don Church			?					 Ambler				?

1932-07-27  E   ?  NY  Middletown	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-08-06  E   ?  MA  Readville	 D-   25  Gene Haustein		 Arthur Chevrolet	  Fronty				Fronty				?

1932-08-13  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Mauri Rose			Louis Schneider	   Schneider IC-30	   Miller 122-152		?

1932-08-26  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-08-26  E   ?  NY  Little Valley D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-08-27  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-08-27  E   ?  NY  Little Valley D-   10  Bryan Saulpaugh	   Leo Krasek			Krasek				Fronty				?

1932-08-28  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bryan Saulpaugh	   Leo Krasek			Krasek				Fronty				?

1932-09-02  E   ?  NY  Rheinbeck	 D-   10  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-09-03  E   ?  NY  Ballston	  D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-03  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   20  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Clemons			   Fronty				  16'44"

1932-09-03  E   ?  NY  Hamburg	   D-   10  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-09-04  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-09-05  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   15  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Clemons			   Fronty				?

1932-09-05  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-05  E   ?  MA  Readville	 D-   25  Mauri Rose			Louis Schneider	   Fronty				Fronty SV			 ?

1932-09-05  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   15  Harold Larzelere	  ?					 ?					 Fronty				?

1932-09-10  E   ?  NY  Dunkirk	   D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-10  E   ?  VT  Rutland	   D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-10  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   10  Harris Insinger	   ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-11  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bryan Saulpaugh	   Leo Krasek			Krasek				Fronty				?

1932-09-16  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-17  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-17  E   ?  MA  Brockton	  D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-17  E   ?  NY  Mineola	   D-   10  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-09-17  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-18  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-09-23  E   ?  NY  Riverhead	 D-	?  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Clemons			   Fronty				?

1932-09-24  E   ?  PA  Allentown	 D-   25  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Clemons			   Fronty				?

1932-09-24  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Bill Cummings		 Mike Boyle			Miller 230			Miller 230-268		?

1932-09-24  E   ?  NY  Riverhead	 D-	?  Fred Frame			Fred Frame			Duesenberg 122-30	 Duesenberg 91-150	 ?

1932-09-25  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-10-01  E   ?  PA  Bloomsburg	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-10-01  E   ?  PA  Lehighton	 D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-10-02  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-10-08  E   ?  CT  Danbury	   D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-10-08  E   ?  PA  Hughesville   D-   10  Bob Sall			  Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1932-10-08  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   20* ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-10-09  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25* Joe Russo			 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-10-12  E   ?  MA  Readville	 D-   50  Lloyd Vieaux		  Lloyd Vieaux		  ?					 Fronty				?

1932-10-15  E   ?  NC  Concord	   D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-10-22  E   ?  VA  Suffolk	   D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?



1932-05-08  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1	?  Billy Arnold		  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-05-22  M   ?  IA  Cedar Rapids  D-   15  Howard Adams		  Joe Kinsey			Kinsey				Fronty DO			 ?

1932-05-30  M   ?  IA  Davenport	 D-   15  Howard Adams		  Joe Kinsey			Kinsey				Fronty DO			 ?

1932-05-30  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-06-12  M   ?  IN  Fort Wayne	D-   50  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?

1932-07-10  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-	?  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?

1932-07-17  M   ?  OH  Cleveland	 D1   50  Ira Hall			  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-07-24  M   ?  IN  Fort Wayne	D-  100  H. Wilcox/M. Rose	 Louis Schneider	   Fronty				Fronty SV			 ?

1932-08-20  M   ?  MI  Detroit	   D1   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-08-28  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-   20  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?

1932-09-18  M   ?  MI  Saginaw	   D-   25  Gene Haustein		 Arthur Chevrolet	  Fronty				Fronty				?

1932-09-25  M   ?  IN  Fort Wayne	D-   15  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?

1932-10-02  M   ?  MI  Detroit VFW   D-   20  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?

1932-10-09  M   ?  MI  Detroit VFW   D-   20  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?

1932-10-16  M   ?  MI  Detroit VFW   D-   20  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?



1932-01-01  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100* Babe Stapp			?					 ?					 Miller				  45'13.4"

1932-01-03  P   ?  CA  Bakersfield   D1   50  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			?

1932-01-10  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			?

1932-01-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Bill Cummings		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-01-24  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Wilbur Shaw		   Otto Lind			 ?					 Cragar				?

1932-02-13  P   ?  CA  Imperial	  D1   30  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		?

1932-02-14  P   ?  CA  Imperial	  D1   60  Sam Palmer			?					 ?					 Cragar				?

1932-02-21  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Bob Carey			 Louis Meyer		   Miller 91			 Miller 230-249		1:06'19.84"

1932-02-28  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Bill Cummings		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-03-06  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1   50  Bill Cummings		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			  33'09.7"

1932-03-13  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Wilbur Shaw		   Fred Blauvelt		 Blauvelt SC-32		Miller 220			?

1932-03-27  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Wilbur Shaw		   Fred Blauvelt		 Blauvelt SC-32		Miller 220			?

1932-04-03  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Bob Carey			 Leslie Quinn		  Quinn SC-31		   Miller 220			1:05'43.43"

1932-04-10  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Bill Cummings		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-04-17  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Bob Carey			 Leslie Quinn		  Quinn SC-31		   Miller 220			1:05'24.8"

1932-04-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Arvol Brunmier		Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Miller 220			?

1932-04-27  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Arvol Brunmier		Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Miller 220			?

1932-05-08  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			1:07'25.40"

1932-05-11  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			?

1932-05-18  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1932-05-25  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Sam Palmer			Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-06-01  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25* Nick Martino		  Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Miller 220			?

1932-06-08  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Carl Ryder			Otto Lind			 ?					 Cragar				?

1932-06-15  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Nick Martino		  Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Miller 220			?

1932-06-22  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			  18'27"

1932-06-26  P   ?  CA  Huntington B. D-   15  Tex Peterson		  ?					 ?					 Fronty				?

1932-06-29  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-07-06  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Carl Ryder			Otto Lind			 ?					 Cragar				?

1932-07-13  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-07-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-07-27  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-08-03  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Wilbur Shaw		   Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Miller 220			?

1932-08-10  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			?

1932-08-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-08-21  P   ?  CA  Culver City   D-   12½ Tex Peterson		  ?					 ?					 Fronty				?

1932-08-24  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			?

1932-08-28  P   ?  CA  San Jose	  D-   62½ Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-08-31  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-09-04  P   ?  CA  Culver City   D-   15  Red Clark			 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1932-09-07  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Babe Stapp			Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Miller 220			?

1932-09-14  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-09-21  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1932-09-25  P   ?  CA  San Jose	  D-   37½ Babe Stapp			Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Miller 220			?

1932-10-05  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-10-12  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-10-16  P   ?  CA  San Jose	  D-   62½ Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-10-23  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1932-10-30  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-11-06  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Les Spangler		  Danny de Paolo		De Paolo			  Miller 220			?

1932-11-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Bill Cummings		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1932-12-04  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			?

1932-12-18  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-  125  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White SC-31		   Miller 220			?


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Posted 15 December 2007 - 05:20

Flemington, NJ, May 30, 1932 information. Found in the New York Times, May 31, 1932, page 23, column 2.

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 08:19

Great find, Brian!!! :up: :up: :kiss:

Do you have access to the New York Times archive? I have found the free access to their pre-1923 stuff quite helpful, and there're certainly a lot of "nuggets" still hidden in the later issues, but I can't figure out a way of getting access without actually subscribing or paying through your nose - I think an article like that would be around four bucks? :drunk:

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 09:32

Uhh, the headaches... Now I have three different distances for the feature race: five, ten or twenty miles??? And judging from the published time for the event, it may as well have been 12½...

Also, a few names misspelled: I think it's Bill Neopolitan, Firman Lawshe, Harris Insinger, Bill Hoffman and Lloyd Broshart. Furthermore, I have no Leslie Johnson in my database (apart from the Englishman of ERA "fame" ;)), and I wonder if it's not indeed Wes Johnson. Finally, I would think the feature race would have been the last ten-mile race listed, the "Bicentennial Handicap", not the one won by Broshart - that must've been the "consi", which would also explain the slow time.

All in all, pretty much the standard of motor racing coverage back then... :|

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 09:53

Oh, and it's Park Culp and John Stewart! :)

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 21:14

My New York Times stuff comes from the big index volumes found in various libraries. Automobile racing is one category, deaths (sadly) in automobile racing is another. Then it's the old microfilm machine and printer. So the article, mistakes and all, is what was printed those many years ago. And beyond travel time, parking costs and other stuff the item cost 15 cents. Manageable. ;)

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 07:52

Well, if you live in the states, then maybe, but I'm stuck here in Europe and I believe that travel costs and parking time would come into play here! :(;)

About the mistakes in the article, as I said it's pretty much the standard of the (non-capital!) times, you get used to it and with a little experience you can deal with it alright. Also manageable.

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 18:12

Going on with 1933, and as before:

!!!The data is not only incomplete, but also quite suspect in a number of cases, especially entrant and car info!!!

Date		D  CR  St  Venue		 TT   RD  Winner				Team/Owner			Chassis			   Engine				Time



1933-05-30  C   1  IN  Indianapolis  P+  500  Louis Meyer		   Louis Meyer		   Miller 230			Miller 230-259		4:48'00.55"

1933-06-11  C   2  MI  Detroit	   D1  100  Bill Cummings		 Mike Boyle			Miller 230			Miller 230-268		1:21'11.31"

1933-08-26  C   -  IL  Elgin		 RC  200  Red Shafer			Red Shafer			Shafer IC-31		  Buick 60-284		  2:18'07.6"

1933-09-09  C   3  NY  Syracuse	  D1  100  Bill Cummings		 Mike Boyle			Miller 230			Miller 230-268		1:13'17.57"



1933-04-30  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-13  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   35  Bill Cummings		 Mike Boyle			Miller-Boyle CC-31	Offenhauser 255	   ?

1933-05-14  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-05-21  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-21  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-05-28  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-05-30  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-	?  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-03  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   40  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-04  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-11  E   ?  DE  Dover		 D-	?  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-11  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-18  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-18  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-07-04  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1	?  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1933-07-04  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   12½ ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-04  E   ?  PA  York		  D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-09  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-07-16  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Jimmy Patterson	   Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1933-07-29  E   ?  DE  Harrington	D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-30  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-   12½ ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-06  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-08-19  E   ?  NY  Afton		 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-20  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Ira Hall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				   24'33.4"

1933-08-26  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-08-26  E   ?  NY  Little Valley D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-26  E   ?  NY  Malone		D-   15  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-08-27  E   ?  NY  Middletown	D-   15  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-01  E   ?  NY  Rheinbeck	 D-   10  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-09-02  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   15  Harris Insinger	   Bill Drake			Drake				 Winfield A			  14'45.6"

1933-09-04  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   30  Llyod Vieaux		  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-04  E   ?  NY  Hamburg	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-04  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-04  E   ?  MA  South Attleb. D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-08  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-09  E   ?  MA  South Attleb. D-	?  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-09  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-09-09  E   ?  VT  Rutland	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-10  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-	?  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-15  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-	?  Johnny Gerber		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-09-16  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   15  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-23  E   ?  PA  Allentown	 D-   15  Johnny Sawyer		 Joe Lencki			?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-23  E   ?  NY  Mineola	   D-   15  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-24  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   15  Joe Russo			 ?					 ?					 ?					   14'38.8"

1933-09-30  E   ?  PA  Lehighton	 D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			  14'30"

1933-09-30  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   15  Johnny Gerber		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-10-01  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			  14'32.4"

1933-10-07  E   ?  CT  Danbury	   D-	8  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-07  E   ?  NC  Winston-Salem D-   15  Bert Hellmueller	  Bert Hellmueller	  ?					 Fronty				?

1933-10-07  E   ?  PA  Hughesville   D-   15  Harris Insinger	   Bill Drake			Drake				 Winfield A			  14'46"

1933-10-07  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-07  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   30* Wes Breeding		  ?					 ?					 Fronty				  16'44"

1933-10-08  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				   18'58.3"

1933-10-13  E   ?  NC  Raleigh	   D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-14  E   ?  MD  Belair		D-	?  Johnny Gerber		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-10-14  E   ?  NC  Concord	   D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-19  E   ?  NC  Rocky Mount   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-21  E   ?  NC  Rocky Mount   D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-11-11  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?



1933-05-21  M   ?  MI  Detroit	   D1   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-21  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Sam Hoffman		   John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1933-05-28  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-   20  Ira Hall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-06-04  M   ?  MI  Detroit VFW   D-   20  Al Miller			 ?					 ?					 Fronty				?

1933-06-11  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Sam Hoffman		   John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1933-06-18  M   ?  IN  Fort Wayne	D-   25  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-18  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   50  Mauri Rose			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-25  M   ?  MI  Detroit VFW   D-   50  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-09  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Clay Corbitt		  Bill Howe			 Howe				  Hisso				 ?

1933-07-17  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1  100  Wilbur Shaw		   Leon Duray			Miller 122			Miller 220			1:15'23.52"

1933-07-30  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-01  M   ?  IL  Peoria		D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-06  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   40  Wilbur Shaw		   Leon Duray			Miller 122			Miller 220			?

1933-08-08  M   ?  MI  Saginaw	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-27  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Mauri Rose			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-29  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1933-09-17  M   ?  MI  Saginaw	   D-   50  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-24  M   ?  OH  Hamilton	  D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-29  M   ?  MI  Ann Arbor	 D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?



1933-01-01  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-01-15  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Theisen			Leslie Quinn		  Quinn SC-31		   Miller				?

1933-02-05  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Bob Carey			 Joe Marks			 Marks SC-33		   Miller 255			  59'33.9"

1933-02-12  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-02-19  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-02-26  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Bob Carey			 Joe Marks			 Marks SC-33		   Miller 255			?

1933-03-05  P   ?  CA  Imperial	  D1   60  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-03-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			1:09'44"

1933-04-02  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-04-16  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Babe Stapp			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-04-23  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  150  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			1:38'41.2"

1933-04-30  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-05-07  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-   20  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-05-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			  16'57"

1933-05-24  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-05-28  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-   30  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-31  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-06-04  P   ?  CA  San Jose	  D-   25  Swede Smith		   ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-07  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Carl Ryder			Russ Garnant		  Vance SC-30		   Cragar				?

1933-06-11  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-14  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-06-21  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   20  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-06-25  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-   30  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-28  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-07-05  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-07-12  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-07-16  P   ?  CA  San Jose	  D-   25  Herb Balmer		   Russ Garnant		  Vance SC-30		   Cragar				?

1933-07-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   50  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-07-26  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-02  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-08-05  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   15  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-09  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-08-13  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-16  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-08-19  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   20  Herb Balmer		   Russ Garnant		  Vance SC-30		   Cragar				?

1933-08-23  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-08-30  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-09-02  P   ?  CA  Colton		D-   20  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-06  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-09-13  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Kelly Petillo		 Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-09-27  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-10-04  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-10-08  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   20  Swede Smith		   ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-11  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-10-18  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-10-22  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			1:03'55.6"

1933-10-29  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-11-05  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-11-12  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			1:00'28.3"

1933-11-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-11-26  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   20  Frank Wearne		  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-12-10  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-12-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?


#37 Jim Thurman

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 19:53

Thank you for the the 1932 and 1933 tables :up:

I have an explanation for the ? for San Diego. IIRC, Silvergate Speedway's first race was AAA sanctioned, but all other races at the track were not.

Something you might run into with Goshen, CA as your year by years continue ;)

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 20:21

Thanks, and it does come as no surprise! In fact, several of the Californian meets are questionable (AAA or not), and some may have been "Class B" events. I will post the 1934 races soon, which is probably the best year for completeness of information; after that it tapers off rather quickly :( FYI, I don't think I have any races at Goshen, CA - just NY! :)

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:06

Union Speedway in Union, NJ is one of the few "weekly" tracks that were part of a AAA Championship circuit, the only others I can think of being Woodbridge Speedway, just ten miles to the south, and Legion Ascot Speedway on the other side of the continent.

Through lucky circumstance did I have access to almost full results for most of the 1939 races at Union Speedway, the track running every Tuesday May through August, and then Sundays in September and October. Of the 26 possible dates, only five were rained out, so we are looking at a total of 21 races.

Most features ran over 15 miles, with a couple of 25-milers and a 30-miler thrown in for good measure. Heats were usually over ten laps of the half-mile circuit. Name drivers did not show up very often, and the regulars were all locals, but of those Bill Holland would go on to have quite a career - this was only his second year of AAA competition. Johnny Ulesky, however, wound up winning the track championship for the second time, after 1937.

The figures don't add up correctly because I'm missing some info from a handful of races, but it's a good overview nonetheless:
Driver			  E   R   C 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th  FTBill Holland	   12  10   9   5   3   -   -   1   -   1Johnny Ulesky	  16  15  13   5   2   4   1   1   -   5Vic Nauman		 11  11   8   4   3   1   -   -   -   3Len Duncan		 16  15  11   4   1   2   1   2   1   1Newt Meyer		  8   6   4   1   1   -   -   -   2   -Chet Gibbons		1   1   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -Bud Henderson	   1   1   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -Joe Sanco		  17  15  11   -   4   3   3   1   -   1Eddie Shaw		 14  13   9   -   2   1   2   1   2   1Hank Rogers		10  10   7   -   2   1   1   1   2   -Buster Warke		2   1   1   -   1   -   -   -   -   -Walt Ader		  10  10   8   -   -   2   1   3   1   -Charlie Breslin	 4   4   1   -   -   1   -   -   -   -Mark Light		  3   2   1   -   -   1   -   -   -   -Rex Records		 2   2   1   -   -   1   -   -   -   -Frankie Bailey	  1   1   1   -   -   1   -   -   -   -Eldridge Tadlock	1   1   1   -   -   1   -   -   -   -Walt Walker		 4   2   2   -   -   -   2   -   -   -Bert Ross		   8   6   2   -   -   -   1   1   -   -Jack Moon		   4   3   1   -   -   -   1   -   -   -Jerry Donmoyer	  2   2   1   -   -   -   1   -   -   -Henry Steiger	   2   2   1   -   -   -   1   -   -   -Ottis Stine		 2   2   1   -   -   -   1   -   -   -Bill Schindler	  1   1   1   -   -   -   1   -   -   1Lee Wallard		 1   1   1   -   -   -   1   -   -   -Eddie Zalucki	   1   1   1   -   -   -   1   -   -   -Danny Goss		  4   3   3   -   -   -   -   1   2   -Harry Harper		5   4   1   -   -   -   -   1   -   -Ora Bean			4   2   1   -   -   -   -   1   -   -Clarence Chapman	4   2   1   -   -   -   -   1   -   -Joe Sudick		  3   2   2   -   -   -   -   1   -   -Carl Schneider	  1   1   1   -   -   -   -   1   -   -Dick Shuebruk	   1   1   1   -   -   -   -   1   -   -Ed Terry			6   3   3   -   -   -   -   -   1   -Jack Langan		 6   2   2   -   -   -   -   -   1   -Don McDonald		2   2   2   -   -   -   -   -   1   -Harold Paust		4   3   2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Lou Schoenwyzer	 5   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Fred Smith		  4   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -George d'Innocenzo  2   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Ray Jackson		 2   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Jim Dugan		   1   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Guy Tobias		  1   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Vic de Maio		 9   2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Joe Budner		  6   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Pete McKeone		6   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Johnnie Matera	  5   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Johnny Cebula	   3   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Walt Brown		  2   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Andy Furci		  2   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -John Carpenter	  1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Amos Hill		   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Ammon Kelchner	  1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Duke Nalon		  1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Ducky Pehlman	   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -George Robson	   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -John Swein		  1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Gus Zarka		   1   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Vic Sloane		  9   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Frank Crilley	   6   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Jimmy Fearick	   4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -John Socko		  4   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Walt Buckman		2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Bill Endicott	   2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Jack Ericson		2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -George Libitsky	 2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Romeo Martone	   2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Dominick Muscatel   2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Bob Sall			2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Frank Smith		 2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Harry Sundbye	   2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Clay Witte		  2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -John Zucca		  2   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Joie Chitwood	   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Carl Fuller		 1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Earl Johns		  1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Chuck Lysek		 1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Tut Moore		   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Ray Nestor		  1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Don Olivo		   1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Hal Robson		  1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Ron Seamon		  1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -Metz Simmons		1   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -


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Posted 06 February 2008 - 19:23

As mentioned earlier, the data for 1934 is quite good, though I may have missed a number of races! :|

!!!The data is not only incomplete, but also quite suspect in a number of cases, especially entrant and car info!!!

Date		D  CR  St  Venue		 TT   RD  Winner				Team/Owner			Chassis			   Engine				Time



1934-05-30  C   1  IN  Indianapolis  P+  500  Bill Cummings		 Mike Boyle			Boyle IC-32		   Brisko 220			4:46'05.21"

1934-08-25  C   2  IL  Springfield   D1  100  Billy Winn			Deacon Litz		   Schneider IC-30	   Miller 220			1:17'09.52"

1934-09-09  C   3  NY  Syracuse	  D1  100  Shorty Cantlon		Bill White			White IC-33		   Miller 220			1:15'06.30"

1934-12-23  C   4  CA  Mines Field   RC  200* Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick IC-34  Sparks 239			2:24'43.14"



1934-04-28  E   1  PA  Langhorne	 D1  100  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			1:14'21"

1934-04-29  E   2  PA  Pottsville	D-   15  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-05-19  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-05-20  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-05-30  E   ?  PA  Lehighton	 D-   15  Walt Keiper		   Bill Drake			Drake				 Winfield A			?

1934-06-02  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   20  Llyod Vieaux		  Llyod Vieaux		  Vieaux				Cragar				?

1934-06-09  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1934-06-10  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-   15  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-06-17  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Ted Horn			  Bill Rasor			Rasor				 McDowell			  ?

1934-06-24  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-07-01  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  Ted Horn			  Bill Rasor			Rasor				 McDowell				22'31"

1934-07-04  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   20  Llyod Vieaux		  Llyod Vieaux		  Vieaux				Cragar				?

1934-07-04  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Ted Horn			  Bill Rasor			Rasor				 McDowell			  ?

1934-07-04  E   ?  PA  York		  D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 Miller				?

1934-07-07  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   20  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1934-07-22  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1934-07-22  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Harry Angeloni		?					 ?					 McDowell				16'09.4"

1934-07-28  E   ?  DE  Harrington	D-   15  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					   15'37"

1934-08-11  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   25  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1934-08-12  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Billy Winn			Bill Rasor			Rasor				 McDowell			  ?

1934-08-18  E   ?  NY  Afton		 D-   15  Ken Fowler			Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1934-08-19  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 Miller				?

1934-08-25  E   ?  NY  Hamburg	   D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 220			?

1934-08-25  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   15  Don Moore			 Riffert Bros.		 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-08-25  E   ?  NY  Middletown	D-   15  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-09-01  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   15  Doc MacKenzie		 Gil Pirrung		   Pirrung			   Miller				?

1934-09-01  E   ?  NY  Rheinbeck	 D-   15  Malcolm Fox		   R. B. Lynch		   Ambler				Hisso				   14'47,0"

1934-09-03  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   10  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-09-03  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   20  Vern Orenduff		 R. B. Lynch		   Ambler				Hisso				 ?

1934-09-09  E   ?  NJ  H-Ho-Kus	  D-   15  Ben Shaw			  Ben Shaw			  Shaw				  Fronty T-16V		  ?

1934-09-12  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   15  Doc MacKenzie		 Gil Pirrung		   Pirrung			   Miller				  15'06"

1934-09-14  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   15  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell				14'58.8"

1934-09-15  E   ?  MA  Brockton	  D-   10  Ben Shaw			  Ben Shaw			  Shaw				  Fronty T-16V		  ?

1934-09-22  E   ?  PA  Allentown	 D-   15  Floyd Davis		   John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1934-09-22  E   ?  PA  Lewisburg	 D-   15  Sid Gerber			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-09-23  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Ted Horn			  Bill Rasor			Rasor				 McDowell				15'35.2"

1934-09-23  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   15  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-09-26  E   ?  NY  Mineola	   D-   15  Ben Shaw			  Ben Shaw			  Shaw				  Fronty T-16V		  ?

1934-09-28  E   ?  NC  Greensboro	D-   15  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1934-09-29  E   ?  NC  Shelby		D-   15  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1934-09-29  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   15  Ben Shaw			  Ben Shaw			  Shaw				  Fronty T-16V		  ?

1934-09-30  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   15  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-10-03  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-10-07  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   25  Clay Weatherly		?					 ?					 Cragar				?

1934-10-07  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1934-10-12  E   ?  NC  Raleigh	   D-   15  Clay Weatherly		?					 ?					 Cragar				?

1934-10-13  E   ?  PA  Bloomsburg	D-   15  Billy Winn			Leo Krasek			Krasek				Krasek				?

1934-10-13  E   ?  NC  Concord	   D-   15  Floyd Davis		   John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1934-10-14  E   ?  SC  Satfford Spr. D-   15  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-10-20  E   ?  SC  Spartanburg   D-   15  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1934-10-27  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   15  Vern Orenduff		 R. B. Lynch		   Ambler				Hisso				 ?

1934-10-27  E   ?  NC  Wilson		D-   15  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1934-10-28  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   25  Ben Shaw			  Bill Drake			Drake				 Winfield A			?



1934-04-22  M   ?  IN  Jungle Park   D-   15  Ira Hall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1934-05-13  M   ?  OH  Greenville	D-   15  Charlie Engle		 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-05-27  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-   20* Al Theisen			Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1934-06-03  M   ?  OH  Dayton		D-   25  Ken Fowler			R. B. Lynch		   Ambler				Hisso				 ?

1934-06-10  M   ?  IN  Fort Wayne	D-   20  Al Theisen			Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1934-06-10  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   50  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				   37'49.40"

1934-06-10  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1  100  Louis Schneider	   Louis Schneider	   Schneider IC-31	   Miller 122-152		?

1934-06-17  M   ?  IN  Jungle Park   D-   15  Kelly Petillo		 Joe Marks			 Marks				 Miller				?

1934-07-01  M   ?  OH  Greenville	D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-07-04  M   ?  OH  Dayton		D-   15  Kelly Petillo		 Joe Marks			 Marks				 Miller				?

1934-07-15  M   ?  AL  Montgomery	D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-07-29  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-   15  Al Theisen			Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1934-08-12  M   ?  OH  Dayton		D-   25  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 220			  21'31.2"

1934-08-16  M   ?  IN  Fort Wayne	D-   20  Mauri Rose			Joe Marks			 Marks				 Miller				?

1934-08-19  M   ?  IL  Chicago CCF   D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 220			  15'17.00"

1934-08-26  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1934-08-30  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Mauri Rose			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1934-09-16  M   ?  OH  Dayton		D-   25  Johnny Sawyer		 Joe Lencki			Lencki				Lencki				?

1934-09-30  M   ?  IL  Chicago CCF   D-   15  Clay Weatherly		?					 ?					 Cragar				?

1934-09-30  M   ?  MI  Davidson	  D-   50  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?



1934-01-07  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-  125  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1934-01-28  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1934-02-11  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1934-02-28  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Herb Balmer		   Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Cragar				?

1934-03-04  P   ?  CA  Imperial	  D1  100* Herb Balmer		   Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Cragar				?

1934-03-14  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Kelly Petillo		 Harvey Ward		   Ward				  Cragar				?

1934-03-25  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1934-04-24  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1934-07-11  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   20  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-07-18  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   12½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-07-25  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   12½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-08-01  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Floyd Roberts		 Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1934-08-08  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Floyd Roberts		 Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1934-08-15  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-08-22  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-08-29  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-09-05  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-09-12  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-09-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-09-26  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   50  Floyd Roberts		 Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1934-10-03  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-10-10  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Floyd Roberts		 Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1934-10-24  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Floyd Roberts		 Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1934-11-04  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   50  Floyd Roberts		 Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1934-11-11  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   55  Floyd Roberts		 Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1934-11-18  P   ?  AZ  Phoenix	   D1   40  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-11-25  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			  46'39.80"

1934-12-16  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1934-12-30  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-  155  Al Gordon			 Bill White			White SC-34		   Miller 200			?


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Posted 06 February 2008 - 21:32

P.S. I would welcome very much additional info such as posted by Brian Pratt in post #30! :) :) :)

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 08:33

Back to rather patchy info for 1935:

!!!The data is not only incomplete, but also quite suspect in a number of cases, especially entrant and car info!!!

Date		D  CR  St  Venue		 TT   RD  Winner				Team/Owner			Chassis			   Engine				Time



1935-05-30  C   1  IN  Indianapolis  P+  500  Kelly Petillo		 Kelly Petillo		 Petillo IC-35		 Offenhauser 255-262   4:42'22.71"

1935-07-04  C   2  MN  Saint Paul	D1  100  Kelly Petillo		 Kelly Petillo		 Petillo IC-35		 Offenhauser 255-262   1:17'38.8"

1935-08-24  C   3  IL  Springfield   D1  100  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Duesenberg 122-30	 Miller 255			1:14'39.09"

1935-09-02  C   4  NY  Syracuse	  D1  100  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Duesenberg 122-30	 Miller 255			1:11'49.28"

1935-09-07  C   5  PA  Altoona	   D1  100  Louis Meyer		   Louis Meyer		   Meyer IC-34		   Miller 255			1:09'20.0"

1935-10-13  C   6  PA  Langhorne	 D1  100  Kelly Petillo		 Kelly Petillo		 Petillo IC-35		 Offenhauser 255-262   1:05'17.6"

1935-12-15  C   -  CA  Ascot		 D-  125  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick IC-34  Miller 200			1:43'00"



1935-04-28  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-05-05  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-05-12  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1935-05-30  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   20  Vern Orenduff		 Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-05-30  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Len Perry			 Picone				Picone				Green				 ?

1935-05-30  E   ?  PA  Lehighton	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-06-09  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-06-16  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Ben Shaw			  ?					 ?					 Miller				  38'06.6"

1935-06-20  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1935-06-23  E   ?  WV  Charleston	D-	?  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1935-06-27  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-07-03  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  Bob Sall			  Pritchard			 Pritchard			 McDowell			  ?

1935-07-04  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   25  Ken Fowler			Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-07-04  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-07-04  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-   20  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1935-07-07  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   20  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1935-07-11  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1935-07-14  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Chuck Tabor		   Pritchard			 Pritchard			 McDowell			  ?

1935-07-18  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-07-28  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-01  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-03  E   ?  DE  Harrington	D-   15  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1935-08-08  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-10  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-15  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-17  E   ?  NY  Afton		 D-   15  Vern Orenduff		 Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-08-18  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-18  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1935-08-22  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-24  E   ?  NY  Hamburg	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-24  E   ?  PA  Lehighton	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-24  E   ?  NY  Middletown	D-   15  Bob Sall			  Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1935-08-29  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Eddie Staneck		 Pritchard			 Pritchard			 McDowell			  ?

1935-08-30  E   ?  NY  Little Valley D-   15  Vern Orenduff		 Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-08-31  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-08-31  E   ?  NY  Rheinbeck	 D-   15  Vern Orenduff		 Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-09-02  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1  100  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 220			1:19'00.25"

1935-09-02  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-02  E   ?  NY  Riverhead	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-07  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-07  E   ?  VT  Rutland	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-12  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-13  E   ?  MA  Brockton	  D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-14  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-14  E   ?  MA  Brockton	  D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-15  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-   15  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1935-09-15  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-09-21  E   ?  PA  Allentown	 D-   15  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1935-09-21  E   ?  NY  Mineola	   D-   15  Floyd Davis		   Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 220			  14'54.0"

1935-09-22  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?

1935-09-28  E   ?  PA  Bloomsburg	D-   15  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1935-09-28  E   ?  NC  Greensboro	D-   15  Ken Fowler			Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-09-29  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   20  Ken Fowler			Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-09-29  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   15  Vern Orenduff		 Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-10-03  E   ?  NC  Charlotte	 D-	?  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1935-10-03  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   15  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Winn				  Miller 255			?

1935-10-05  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-10-05  E   ?  NC  Shelby		D-   15  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1935-10-06  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-10-06  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   50  Billy Winn			Billy Winn			Winn				  Miller 255			?

1935-10-09  E   ?  SC  Spartanburg   D-   15  Ken Fowler			Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				 ?

1935-10-12  E   ?  CT  Danbury	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-10-12  E   ?  NC  Winston-Salem D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-10-19  E   ?  NC  Raleigh	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-10-29  E   ?  NJ  Ho-Ho-Kus	 D-   25  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-11-02  E   ?  NC  Wilson		D-   15  Vern Orenduff		 Ambler Bros.		  Ambler SC-35		  Hisso				   14'48.2"

1935-11-03  E   ?  NC  Charlotte	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-11-04  E   ?  NC  Charlotte	 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-11-28  E   ?  NC  Shelby		D-   15  Bob Sall			  Bob Sall			  Sall				  McDowell			  ?



1935-05-12  M   ?  IL  Chicago CCF   D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1935-05-19  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   50  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				  40'58.0"

1935-05-19  M   ?  OH  Toledo		D1   50  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 200			?

1935-05-26  M   ?  OH  Dayton		D-   25  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1935-06-09  M   ?  IL  Chicago CCF   D-   15* Emil Andres		   Lundgren Bros.		?					 ?						9'49.3"

1935-06-30  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			  17'37.0"

1935-07-21  M   ?  OH  Cleveland	 D1  100  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 220			?

1935-08-25  M   ?  OH  Dayton		D-	?  Charlie Engle		 Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1935-08-25  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			  17'43.35"

1935-08-29  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Doc MacKenzie		 John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				  17'10.45"

1935-09-15  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Babe Stapp			Gil Pirrung		   Pirrung			   Miller				  39'54.2"

1935-09-22  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Babe Stapp			Gil Pirrung		   Pirrung			   Miller				?

1935-09-29  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1  100  Babe Stapp			Gil Pirrung		   Pirrung			   Miller				?



1935-01-13  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-01-27  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-  125  Kelly Petillo		 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-02-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Harris Insinger	   Russ Garnant		  White SC-31		   Miller 200			?

1935-03-04  P   ?  CA  Imperial	  D1   40  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-03-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-03-24  P   ?  AZ  Phoenix	   D1   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 200			?

1935-03-31  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-04-14  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-  155  Kelly Petillo		 Earl Haskell		  Blauvelt SC-32		Miller 200			?

1935-04-21  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			1:06'20.21"

1935-04-28  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-05-08  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Harris Insinger	   Russ Garnant		  White SC-31		   Miller 200			?

1935-05-15  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Frank Wearne		  Art Frost			 Atlas				 Miller 200			?

1935-05-22  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Ray Pixley			Charles Worley		Worley				Cragar				?

1935-05-26  P   ?  CA  Oakland HM	D-   20  Hal Cole			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1935-06-12  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-06-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   47½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-06-23  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			1:07'27.51"

1935-06-26  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-07-03  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-07-10  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-07-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-07-24  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Al Gordon			 Bill White			White SC-34		   Miller 200			?

1935-07-31  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-08-07  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Harris Insinger	   Russ Garnant		  White SC-31		   Miller 200			?

1935-08-14  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Bill White			White SC-34		   Miller 200			?

1935-08-21  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Bill White			White SC-34		   Miller 200			?

1935-08-28  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?

1935-09-08  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1   50  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			  34'03.32"

1935-10-06  P   ?  AZ  Tucson		D-   15  Frank Wearne		  Art Frost			 Atlas				 Miller 200			?

1935-10-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Hal Cole			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1935-10-27  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			1:05'06.41"

1935-11-03  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Hal Cole			  Paul Fromm			Fromm SC-34		   Winfield			  ?

1935-12-01  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Miller 200			?


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Posted 18 February 2008 - 10:01

A last post before I let this one die for lack of interest, here's a list of championship winning engines, i.e. engines used (mostly) by the champion driver. It's interesting to note that it wasn't all Miller and Offenhauser, as one is led to believe all too often; there was quite a lot of variety, especially in the thirties!

!!!Again, caution is to be exercised as to the correctness of the info - it's just as good as my research has been so far!!!!

	  East		   Midwest		Pacific Coast

1929  ---			---			Fronty

1930  ---			---			Miller, Fronty

1931  ---			---			Schofield, Miller

1932  Fronty		 ---			Miller

1933  Vance		  Miller		 Sparks

1934  Miller		 Vance		  Winfield

1935  Cragar		 Miller		 Miller

1936  Hal			Sparks		 ---

1937  McDowell	   Sparks		 ---

1938  Dreyer		 Miller		 ---

1939  Offenhauser	Miller		 ---

1940  Offenhauser	Offenhauser	---

1941  Offenhauser	Dreyer		 ---



1947  Offenhauser	Hal			---

1948  Offenhauser	Vance		  Offenhauser

1949  Offenhauser	Dreyer		 Offenhauser

1950  Offenhauser	Offenhauser	Offenhauser

1951  Offenhauser	Offenhauser	Offenhauser

1952  Offenhauser	Offenhauser	Offenhauser

1953  Offenhauser	Offenhauser	---

1954  Offenhauser	Offenhauser	---

1955  Offenhauser	Offenhauser	---


#44 humphries

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 10:29

Michael

No lack of interest on my part! Keep the lists going.

John

#45 kris

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:43

Michael

Thanks a lot for the 1932-1935 lists, could you please add what you have for years 1936-1941
That's really interresting and rare to find, thanks once more

Christophe

#46 fines

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 20:25

Yes, it's rare to find, also for me!;) That's why I posted what I have, in the hope that somebody might be able to fill in some data. It worked with the Championship Top Tens, but not with the race results, and therefore I have stopped. :)

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 22:34

Originally posted by fines
Yes, it's rare to find, also for me!;) That's why I posted what I have, in the hope that somebody might be able to fill in some data. It worked with the Championship Top Tens, but not with the race results, and therefore I have stopped. :)


Don't stop Michael, how about this?...

Bakersfield, CA January 3, 1932

Ernie Triplett won, as per your data, but he was followed by Babe Stapp in second and Bill Cummings finished third. Gus Shrader (sic) crashed. Lou Meyer was fast qualifier with a new record of 36.64 (the previous record was 37.63).

Bob Cary (sic), Louie Schneider, Chet Gardiner (sic), Lou Moore, Kelly Petello (sic) and Al Gordon listed in results or race report. Schneider drove "his two-man Indianapolis car"

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 22:53

How good was Carey? He seems to have streaked across the scene like a meteor...

#49 fines

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 16:34

Thanks, Jim :kiss: :up:

I'd say at the very least that is a start! Let the goodies roll in, and I'll reconsider...;)

About Carey, he was a "stand-on-it guy", always full bore and maximum risk - actually it's a wonder he lived that long... :(

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 13:56

I've made a bit progress on the points front, and since there have been so many helping hands here I thought I might share:

1934 East

1 Johnny Hannon, 947
2 Billy Winn, 708
3 Ben Shaw, 687
4 Malcolm Fox, 614
5 Bob Sall, 522

1935 Midwest

1 Babe Stapp, 570
2 Chet Gardner, 472
3 Maynard Clark, 448

Also, I'm beginning to get a grip on the scoring systems in use, although there's much confusion! To start with, apparently each region had its own scoring, with the followng scores for wins in a 100 mile race:

Pacific Coast: 83.33 points (1933)
East Coast: 240 points (1934)
Midwest: 120 points (1935)

As far as I can make out, the East still had the same scoring in 1936, but I can't be sure if the scoring was linear (especially in the West), i.e. what the score was for a 50, 30 or 20 mile race.

A few more Hankinson placings:

1939: 2 Willman, 3 Light (?)
1940: 2 Chitwood, 3 Sall