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#201 Michael Ferner

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 16:08

You've done your homework! :up: That's a couple dates and a few results I didn't have. For example, I knew from the point standings that Frank Wearne had to have been first or second at Yakima May 3, but somewhere I found a note about Johnny McDowell having stopped his streak, so I figured it was 1 McDowell, 2 Wearne - not quite, it seems!

I have, though, another date for Aurora: July 5. This was to be a double-header, and not a postponement date for July 4, but alas, I have no results - perhaps cancelled, too? Also, the first Portland Speedway event was, apparently, first scheduled for May 30, then postponed until June 14, and finally run on the 21st. The stunning thing is, both the earlier dates would've been in competition with events at Gresham Speedway, in the same city!! Strange, also, the July 26 scheduling of events at both Seattle and Portland!

There's one more thing I can add, the date for the last Yakima race was September 19; like the 14th a Washington State Fair meet. But again, no results. :(

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#202 Michael Ferner

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 16:26

Let me try 1935 :)

Mar 31, Gresham - rescheduled
Apr 7, Gresham - rain
Apr 14, Gresham - Armond Millian
Apr 21, Silver Lake - Roy Ernstrom
Apr 28, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
May 5, Silver Lake - Johnny McDowell
May 12, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
May 19, Silver Lake - Dude Bailey
May 26, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
May 26, Salem - rain??
May 26?, Yakima - Del Valentine
May 30, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
Jun 2, Silver Lake - Woody Woodford
Jun 9, Gresham - rain after 8 laps
Jun 16, Silver Lake - Adolph Dans?
Jun 23, Gresham - Jimmie Wilburn (make-up for Jun 9) & Johnny McDowell
Jun 30, Gresham - rain
Jul 4, Salem - Mel Kenealy
Jul 4, Silver Lake - Adolph Dans?
Jul 7, Gresham - rain
Jul 14, Gresham - Jimmie Wilburn
Jul 14, Silver Lake - Adolph Dans
Jul 18, Olympic View - Devon Smith
Jul 21, Gresham - Bayliss Levrett
Jul 25, Olympic View - Pres O'Brien?
Jul 28, Yakima - Jimmie Wilburn
Aug 1, Olympic View - Pres O'Brien
Aug 4, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
Aug 11, Silver Lake - Johnny McDowell
Aug 15, Olympic View - Jimmie Wilburn
Aug 16, Olympic View - Jimmie Wilburn
Aug 18, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
Aug 22, Olympic View - ??
Aug 25, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
Sep 5, Olympic View - Pres O'Brien?
Sep 8, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
Sep 12, Olympic View - Pres O'Brien?
Sep 13, Grants Pass - Jimmie Wilburn
Sep 15, Grants Pass - Mel Kenealy
Sep 29, Gresham - Jimmie Wilburn
Oct 2, Olympic View - Jimmie Wilburn
Oct 6, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
Oct 9, Olympic View - Tony West
Oct 20, Yakima - Jimmie Wilburn
Nov 3, Olympic View - ??

I am sure I have missed a couple of Olympic View dates!

#203 GILMORE

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 18:21

You've done your homework! :up: That's a couple dates and a few results I didn't have. For example, I knew from the point standings that Frank Wearne had to have been first or second at Yakima May 3, but somewhere I found a note about Johnny McDowell having stopped his streak, so I figured it was 1 McDowell, 2 Wearne - not quite, it seems!


I'm thinking McDowell may have won the May 10 race, or a later Yakima race. Unfortunately, I do not have many results for the Yakima races. :cry:

I seen in a 5/31 Oregonian article, that it mentions McDowell having recently defeated Wearne and being the first to "gain the honor this season." Could "recently" be the 5/10 race???... I do not know for sure.

I have, though, another date for Aurora: July 5. This was to be a double-header, and not a postponement date for July 4, but alas, I have no results - perhaps cancelled, too? Also, the first Portland Speedway event was, apparently, first scheduled for May 30, then postponed until June 14, and finally run on the 21st. The stunning thing is, both the earlier dates would've been in competition with events at Gresham Speedway, in the same city!! Strange, also, the July 26 scheduling of events at both Seattle and Portland!

There's one more thing I can add, the date for the last Yakima race was September 19; like the 14th a Washington State Fair meet. But again, no results. :(


Yes, the 7/5 race, I guess I forgot to include that. I couldn't find anything either.

Would the 9/19 Yakima race be when Del Valentine died? I assume so.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 19:09

Here's what I came up with (in red). Not sure about the 9/29 Yakima race as I can't find my source where I got the mention.

Mar 31, Gresham - rescheduled
Apr 7, Gresham - rain
Apr 14, Gresham - Armond Millian
Apr 21, Silver Lake - Roy Ernstrom
Apr 28, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
May 5, Silver Lake - Johnny McDowell
May 12, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
May 19, Silver Lake - Dude Bailey
May 26, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
May 26, Salem - rain??
May 26?, Yakima - Del Valentine
May 30, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
Jun 2, Silver Lake - Woody Woodford
Jun 9, Gresham - rain after 8 laps
Jun 16, Silver Lake - Adolph Dans?
6/22 - SILVER LAKE - RAIN
Jun 23, Gresham - Jimmie Wilburn (make-up for Jun 9) & Johnny McDowell
6/30 - SILVER LAKE - RAIN
Jun 30, Gresham - rain
Jul 4, Salem - Mel Kenealy
Jul 4, Silver Lake - Adolph Dans?
Jul 7, Gresham - rain
7/11 - OLYMPIC VIEW - RAIN
Jul 14, Gresham - Jimmie Wilburn
Jul 14, Silver Lake - Adolph Dans
Jul 18, Olympic View - Devon Smith
Jul 21, Gresham - Bayliss Levrett
Jul 25, Olympic View - ADOLPH DANS
Jul 28, Yakima - Jimmie Wilburn
Aug 1, Olympic View - Pres O'Brien
Aug 4, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
8/8 - OLYMPIC VIEW - PRES O'BRIEN
Aug 11, Silver Lake - Johnny McDowell
Aug 15, Olympic View - Jimmie Wilburn
Aug 16, Olympic View - Jimmie Wilburn
Aug 18, Gresham - Mel Kenealy
Aug 22, Olympic View - PRES O'BRIEN
Aug 25, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
8/29 - OLYMPIC VIEW - PRES O'BRIEN
Sep 5, Olympic View - Pres O'Brien?
Sep 8, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
Sep 12, Olympic View - RAIN OUT
Sep 13, Grants Pass - Jimmie Wilburn
9/15 - OLYMPIC VIEW - RAIN OUT
Sep 15, Grants Pass - Mel Kenealy
9/18 - OLYMPIC VIEW - DAVE DIPPOLITO
9/25 - OLYMPIC VIEW - DEL VALENTINE
9/29? - YAKIMA - MARIO BIANCHI?
Sep 29, Gresham - Jimmie Wilburn
Oct 2, Olympic View - Jimmie Wilburn
Oct 6, Gresham - Johnny McDowell
Oct 9, Olympic View - Tony West
Oct 20, Yakima - Jimmie Wilburn
Nov 3, Olympic View - CANCELLED DUE TO COLD WEATHER AND LEGAL ISSUES


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 20:00

Should I continue?... :love:

There may not have been a race on 5/20 at Eugene... ??? I just seen it mentioned somewhere.

A lot of Art Scovell and Woody Woodford (or as the reporters put it- Woodruff! :lol: :rolleyes: ) in the win column.

'34 Season

4/1 GRESHAM - POSTPONED
4/8 - GRESHAM - STEVE SAHLINGER
4/15 - GRESHAM - BOB SCOVELL
4/29 - YAKIMA - ART SCOVELL
5/6 - GRESHAM - RAIN OUT
5/13 - GRESHAM - ART SCOVELL
5/20 - GRESHAM - RAIN OUT
5/20 - EUGENE (LANE COUTY FAIR GROUNDS) - ???
5/27 - YAKIMA - ??? - *30 MILE EVENT CANCELLED AFTER SAHLINGER WRECK, 10 MILE EVENT WAS RUN
5/30 - GRESHAM - ART SCOVELL
6/3 - EUGENE (LANE COUTY FAIR GROUNDS) - ART SCOVELL
6/10 - GRESHAM - BOB SCOVELL
6/24 - GRESHAM - ART SCOVELL
7/4 - GRESHAM - BOB STRONG
7/15 - SILVER LAKE - WOODY WOODFORD
7/23 - GRESHAM - WOODY WOODFORD
7/29 - SILVER LAKE - WOODY WOODFORD?
8/5 - SILVER LAKE - WOODY WOODFORD
8/12 - GRESHAM - WOODY WOODFORD
8/19 - SILVER LAKE - ART SCOVELL
8/26 - GRESHAM - ART SCOVELL
9/2 - SILVER LAKE - WOODY WOODFORD
9/3 - SILVER LAKE - DUDE BAILEY
9/9 - GRESHAM - WOODY WOODFORD
9/16 - SILVER LAKE - WOODY WOODFORD
9/23 - GRESHAM - RAIN OUT
9/30 - YAKIMA - STEVE SAHLINGER
10/7 - GRESHAM - MEL KENEALY

Edited by GILMORE, 09 July 2012 - 20:29.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 23:05

These are the last two years I researched, as Gilmore didn't sponsor any North West cars in 1931 or prior years. So, sorry to say, I won't be able to show/help out any more for the North West curcuits.

'33 Season

5/21 - BURLINGTON, WA (SKAGIT) - ART SCOVELL
5/28 - BAGLEY - ART SCOVELL
5/29 - BAGLEY - CANCELLED
5/30 - BAGLEY - ART SCOVELL
6/18 - BAGLEY - ART HINES
7/2 - GRESHAM - ART SCOVELL
7/4 - GRESHAM - ART HINES
7/23 - YAKIMA - ART HINES
7/30 - GRESHAM - ???
8/6 - EUGENE (LANE COUNTY) - ART HINES
8/13 - GRESHAM - RESCHEDULED
8/13 - MARSHFIELD/MYRTLE POINT - HOWARD WILLS
8/17 - EVERETT - ART SCOVELL
8/20 - GRESHAM - BOB SCOVELL
9/3 - GRESHAM - CLYDE BLOMGREN
9/3 - SPOKANE - ART SCOVELL
9/4 - GRESHAM - LARRY WRIGHT
9/4 - SPOKANE - ART SCOVELL
9/10 - GRESHAM - RESCHEDULED TO 9/17
9/10 - BEND/VAN MATRE - ART SCOVELL
9/17 - GRESHAM - RAIN OUT
9/24 - GRESHAM - RAIN OUT
10/1 - GRESHAM - BOB STRONG
10/1 - SILVER LAKE - DAVE DIPPOLITO
10/15 - SILVER LAKE - ??? - CANCELLED?


'32 Season

3/27 - BAGLEY - RAIN OUT
4/3 - BAGLEY - MARIO BIANCHI
5/15 - GRESHAM - RAIN OUT
5/29 - GRESHAM - RAIN OUT
5/29 - SILVER LAKE - DEVON SMITH
5/30 - GRESHAM - LARRY WRIGHT
6/5 - CIVIC - DEVON SMITH
6/11? - YAKIMA - CANCELLED
6/12? - YAKIMA - DUTCH SNYDER
6/19? - SILVER LAKE - ??? - BENEFIT FOR AVIATOR NAT BROWNE (PLANE CAUGHT ON FIRE AFTER TAKEOFF)
7/1 - CIVIC - SWEDE SMITH
7/7 - CIVIC - MARIO BIANCHI
7/14 - CIVIC - MAIN EVENT CANCELLED DUE TO RAIN
7/18 - BAGLEY - ???
7/25 - CIVIC - DUTCH SNYDER
7/31 - BAGLEY - ???
7/31 - MCMINNVILLE - FRANK JOHNSON
8/4 - CIVIC - MARIO BIANCHI
8/11 - CIVIC - SWEDE SMITH
8/18 - CIVIC - MARIO BIANCHI
8/29 - CIVIC - SWEDE SMITH
9/5 - BAGLEY - BOB STRONG
9/5 - SPOKANE - SWEDE SMITH
9/8 - CIVIC - SWEDE SMITH
9/15 - CIVIC - RESCHEDULED TO 9/19?
9/18 - SILVER LAKE - ??? - CANCELLED?
9/19 - CIVIC - SWEDE SMITH
9/26 - CIVIC - RESCHEDULED TO 9/29
9/29 - CIVIC - DUTCH SNYDER
10/2 - SILVER LAKE - ???
10/6 - CIVIC - MARIO BIANCHI - RACE HALTED AFTER FATAL WRECK OF RAY DUDLEY AND ELWIN SNYDER
10/13 - CIVIC - RAIN OUT
10/18 - CIVIC - DEVON SMITH
10/20 - CIVIC (SWEDE SMITH VS MARIO BIANCHI) - RAIN OUT
10/22 - CIVIC (SWEDE SMITH VS MARIO BIANCHI) - RAIN OUT

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:27

That's interesting. The article mentions Gresham Fairgrounds, which was, I believe, a different track from Gresham Speedway (aka Base Road, Twelve-Mile or just plain Speed Bowl). Never found another race at that venue.

Again, there's a peculiarity with the Northwesterners here, in that tracks were known by a number of different names, which were freely interchanged. I think Allan Brown got caught out a couple times by that, too.


I don't have much to add to the results of the 1930s. I did come across a few 1924 races at the Multnomah County Fair Grounds (Gresham, OR). Sanctioned by the AAA as there had been some drivers disqualified for participating in a beach race that was deemed a hippodrome. So when a race was held at Vancouver, WA, (Clarke County Fair Grounds/Bagley Field) -- a so-called outlaw race -- there was one being held in Multnoham County for pretty much the rest of 1924.

One of the articles talks about the success of the races at Multnomah possibly changing the configuration of the track from a half-mile to more of a banked 5/8ths.

But Bagley/Vancouver Speedway/Clarke County Fair Grounds didn't disappear as a racing venue. And the AAA doesn't seem to hold much sway in the northwest after 1924. I looked at a microfilm reel of sanctions and northwest sanctions stop at the end of 1924.

What little in the way of results I have I'll try to get up here soon.

#208 Michael Ferner

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 19:18

These are the last two years I researched, as Gilmore didn't sponsor any North West cars in 1931 or prior years.


That's, again, more than I had, so thanks for the info! :up:

Perhaps we can talk about the Gilmore cars in the NW. There was, at first, the Begg (or: Beggs?) Bros. (Walter & H.?) car from Olympia (WA), apparently built in 1927 and initially using a Rajo T Ford, then one of the first Gallivan A Ford engines (1928). Bob Scovell, the elder of the two racing brothers from Portland (OR), and others ran it in the Northwest before it made the trek to Ascot Speedway in the fall of 1929, together with Guy Deulin's fast DO Fronty T Ford. The two Northern cars made quite an impression in those early AAA Pacific Coast Championship days, and Swede Smith won a couple of main events in the Begg/Gallivan (Feb 9 & Oct 1 in 1930, both at Ascot). On at least one occasion, the two NW cars even ran one-two in the Trophy Dash, but the Deulin/Frontenac, as usual, held sway.

By 1931, both cars began to slip down the grid, as more and more competitive cars emerged at Ascot, and while Deulin invested in a new engine, the Beggs "went home" and ran with Gilmore sponsorship and veteran driver Devon Smith (no relation) in WARA events - quite successfully, as Jeremy's list shows. I lose track thereafter, but it's possible this is the car that is pictured twice in Don Radbruch's "Dirt Track Auto Racing" (pp 31 & 33) with Bob Strong up - I really can't say because I don't think I have ever run into a picture of the car before ('cept for a distance shot of the field in Lucero's Ascot book)! Especially the accident picture (p33) does appear to show the characteristic Gallivan valve cover, an SOHC from the looks of it. The car was #2 in 1928 and '29, then #92 in AAA later that year, #24 in 1930, #37 in 1931 and #8 in 1932, as far as I can make out.

Also in 1932, Mario Bianchi was at least once listed in a Gilmore Special, although that may have been the Begg/Gallivan again. Bianchi usually drove a fast Chevrolet Special, owned by Glenn (Glen?) Shaw of Seattle, during that time, or a DO Fronty T (presumably ex-Elwin Snyder) owned by John "Doc" Nywining of Yakima - I don't know if these were sponsored by Gilmore at any time. In any case, Bianchi retired from driving midway through 1933, but came back in early 1934 with a brand new car, the #36 "Red Lion Special" - this is the car with which Jeremy Gilmore made his TNF entry a few years ago, remember Jeremy? :) This car had an SO McDowell engine on a Model A block, it seems, but Mario drove it only a few times, seeking out other drivers for the job, like Curley Cole or Art Scovell, Steve Sahlinger, and Adolph Dans. It was #2 in 1935, and #11 in 1936. At one time, I believed this car to have been purchased by Neeley Burkitt after that, but I don't see that evidence any longer - I simply don't know what happened to it. Mario Bianchi soon joined his brother Pete in the promotional business under the Pacific Racing Association moniker, and ran a few "stock" car races until the early forties.

The most successful of the Gilmore cars was, perhaps, the Ralph Giffin (Griffin? Griffith??) "Miller" from Everett (WA). I'm not really sure of its origins, but it ran the AAA Pacific Coast Championship in 1932 as #47 with a Frontenac engine, and drivers Art & Bob Scovell, and Bob Austin in the main. On January 1, 1933, a very young Rex Mays graced its cockpit (now #39) at Ascot, before Austin returned to the job and won the "Class B main event" at the very next meeting, the car's most prestigious success. A few weeks later, it may have been involved in a multi-car accident at Imperial Valley/El Centro, and disappeared from the AAA roster only to reappear in the Northwest a little later, still sporting #39 but now with "Gilmore Speedway" signage and a new Miller-Schofield engine, an earlier version of the well known DO Cragar (although it may have been the "econo" SO version instead) Model A Ford. Art Scovell drove it to many victories and a run-away WARA Championship, although it was beaten to the owners championship by the (Fred) Roach/Miller (Marine). Thus, it carried #2 in 1934, and "Shorty" Scovell appeared on the way to a repeat championship, only to switch rides mid-season (to the Bianchi/McDowell, incidentally), and lose out to another Ascot veteran, Woody Woodford. Armond Millian succeded Scovell in the Giffin/Schofield, and apparently took the car south to San Diego's Silvergate Speedway in the winter, where it was also driven by Scovell, again (#18?). Things get a little bit diffuse, and the car may have received a new McDowell engine while in the south, returning to the Northwest for Art's brother Bob to drive, and then I lose track. Unfortunately, this is another car where I don't think I have ever seen a picture! :(

Edited by Michael Ferner, 12 July 2012 - 20:44.


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Posted 13 July 2012 - 05:14

Talk about someone doing their homework... WOW! :eek: :love:

Yes, I remember initially posting my Bianchi photo and questions here. Thanks for all the input, Michael. :up:

Over the years, I think I've nabbed about 3000 articles from the Washington and Oregon papers that are available online, relating to Gilmore Oil Co. stuff, as well as their racing activities (big cars, midgets, economy/mileage/endurance runs, soap box, motorcycles, airplanes and outboards). I'm still going through them all. As for the auto racing scene, I've gotten as far as recording the races and making notes about the cars when info is found, but I haven't organized it all yet.

I initially didn't think there would be many Gilmore sponsored cars in the Northwest, but there are/were many. In fact, I've read that they heavily sponsored the tracks themselves, from San Diego up to Seattle, likely keeping them afloat. Even though the had their own "Gilmore Stadium" in Los Angeles, they sponsored other midget tracks all along the pacific coast. It's hard to know if a car was Gilmore sponsored without seeing it mentioned, or better, seeing a photo. As is the case with all/most research of the past, once you think you have things figured out, something pops up that you didn't know.

I have found several articles from the northwest papers, that have images showing Gilmore livery on cars. I wish I had more photos myself, but I only have a few. The best source I've found is the goldenwheels.com site. Have you seen the website before?

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 16:43

OK... after looking at my data and notes, for myself, I think I have raised more questions, than answers found. :drunk:

The first "mention" I have of a Gilmore car is at the 7/1/32 race at Civic Stadium, with Devon Smith at the wheel of the/a Gallivan Spl. I do not have a car # for '32. In '33, I have Devon Smith driving a #8 Gilmore Spl for a few races, until switching to a new car (#61) for the 7/2 Gresham race. For the 5/28 Bagley race, I actually have two #8's listed, Smith in the Gilmore Spl and George Leonard in a #8 Dodge Spl. I have Leonard in it for a few races, then Jim/Swede Peterson until the trail ends after the 8/20 Gresham race. I do not have a #8 or Peterson listed for the rest of 1933.

More later...

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 17:57

Back to the Gallavin, for the 9/5 Spokane race, the 9/8 Civic race and possibly the 9/19 Civic race, I have Earl Brunk in a Gallavin Spl. Do you think this is the same car Devon Smith drove?... the same Gilmore Spl Bianchi is later mentioned driving in '32?

Regarding the #10 Gilmore Red Lion Spl pic that appears in the Radbruch book, I'm skeptical that it is Bob Strong. I have a Bob, Bill, Clark, Cliff, Jack, Mike and Speed Strong listed in my data, none of which I have driving a #10. In '33 I have a Glenn Nelson driving a #10 and in '34 I have Dave Dippolito driving a #10.

According to a 5/21/36 Seattle Times article, Dave Dippolito purchased a car from Mario Bianchi in 1933 and the article also states Dippolito drove what he owned. I believe this is likely purchased after the '33 season. For 1933, I have Bianchi driving a #5 Chevrolet Spl and Dippolito driving a #7 Dodge Spl. I assume, the car Dippolito purchased, and the #10 car he drove in '34, is not the #5 Chevrolet owned by Glen Shaw. Unless, Bianchi purchased the car from Shaw. Or, did Bianchi own a car and drive the #5 car for Shaw. Confusing...???

I too read in a 7/23/33 article of Bianchi announcing his retirement, yet, I have him racing in the 9/3 and 9/4 races at Spokane. Also, the 10/1 race at Silver Lake. I have him retiring and coming back in other years to. He seems to have retired frequently, only to unretire, then retire, then unretire, then retire,.... :lol:

Did he race in the Glen Shaw #5 throughout the '33 season, or did he race in his own car at the end?

Sooooo... is the driver in the #10 Red Lion Spl, pictured in the Radbruch book, Dave Dippolito? And, is it formerly the #5 Glen Shaw Chevrolet Spl or a different car altogether that Bianchi owned but didn't drive or did drive later in the year? :)

Edited by GILMORE, 13 July 2012 - 18:05.


#212 Michael Ferner

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 18:08

Much of it is conjecture, or "educated guesswork" at best, I have to admit. There's no way in the world you can find that much info in newspapers alone - it's the combination of an exhaustive data base, and a lot of "reading between the lines", and therefore, I cannot really vouch for the accuracy of my findings. You have to take every snippet of news, be it from the papers or secondary literature, and add one, and two, and a variable x, and another y, and hope that it all adds up to ten, or whatever. Still, I think it's worth the effort - it may not be the one hunnert percent truth, but it should be close. The real "clincher" are pictures, but they are hard to come by. Yes, I have seen the Golden Wheels site, and while it's great and offers some very valubale pictures, the only ones of use in this context were the two of the Bianchi/McDowell, with Art Scovell and Adolph Dans up. I have also found a number of interesting pictures in the newspaper archive, but the quality of these is usually woeful, and they are of very limited use.

Like the newspaper pictures, the Golden Wheels site shows that there were a number of Gilmore cars in the Northwest, most of which I cannot identify in any way. The problem with Golden Wheels (like with so many other, similar sites) is, that most pictures are either not identified and dated at all, or worse, not correctly. There are a goodly number of IMCA cars on that site, which I can identify, but the source is not exactly clear - did they run in the Northwest? I have no info about that, but it's a possibility. On the other hand, the pictures may be from the Dakotas, or Arizona, Nevada, Utah or Colorado, heaven knows... or, perhaps not even them! :lol:

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 18:20

Yes, you know how confused I was when we first corresponded, with all the misidentified photos I have!... and the Lucero book!  ;)

For me, the "fun" lies with the research. Unfortunately, I do not have many photos nor do I have any programs from these Northwest races. I'm left with the writings of reporters past and the butchering of and gazillion nicknames they gave drivers. :up:

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 20:56

Back to the Gallavin, for the 9/5 Spokane race, the 9/8 Civic race and possibly the 9/19 Civic race, I have Earl Brunk in a Gallavin Spl. Do you think this is the same car Devon Smith drove?... the same Gilmore Spl Bianchi is later mentioned driving in '32?

Possible. I really don't know; I didn't have that particular info so far.

Regarding the #10 Gilmore Red Lion Spl pic that appears in the Radbruch book, I'm skeptical that it is Bob Strong. I have a Bob, Bill, Clark, Cliff, Jack, Mike and Speed Strong listed in my data, none of which I have driving a #10. In '33 I have a Glenn Nelson driving a #10 and in '34 I have Dave Dippolito driving a #10.

I don't have Strong driving a #10, either, but I guess Radbruch got his pictures & info from first-hand sources, so I'm inclined to accept about 90 % of it. There are a few faces and cars, even tracks he has misidentified in his book, but that may be down to faulty long-term memory on the part of his sources. Strong may have driven the car only that once, and I don't have any info about him crashing at Yakima.

According to a 5/21/36 Seattle Times article, Dave Dippolito purchased a car from Mario Bianchi in 1933 and the article also states Dippolito drove what he owned. I believe this is likely purchased after the '33 season. For 1933, I have Bianchi driving a #5 Chevrolet Spl and Dippolito driving a #7 Dodge Spl. I assume, the car Dippolito purchased, and the #10 car he drove in '34, is not the #5 Chevrolet owned by Glen Shaw. Unless, Bianchi purchased the car from Shaw. Or, did Bianchi own a car and drive the #5 car for Shaw. Confusing...???

Bianchi drove a #7 Dodge for many years, so it's likely the same #7 Dodge that Dippolito (d'Ippolito?) drove in '33.

I too read in a 7/23/33 article of Bianchi announcing his retirement, yet, I have him racing in the 9/3 and 9/4 races at Spokane. Also, the 10/1 race at Silver Lake. I have him retiring and coming back in other years to. He seems to have retired frequently, only to unretire, then retire, then unretire, then retire,.... :lol:

Yes, I know he "unretired" a few times, but didn't know he came back as early as that! [grumble]Must modify my mini-bio...[/grumble]

Did he race in the Glen Shaw #5 throughout the '33 season, or did he race in his own car at the end?

Sooooo... is the driver in the #10 Red Lion Spl, pictured in the Radbruch book, Dave Dippolito? And, is it formerly the #5 Glen Shaw Chevrolet Spl or a different car altogether that Bianchi owned but didn't drive or did drive later in the year? :)

Like I said, the evidence is that Dippolito bought the #7 Dodge from Bianchi. I believe Gene Moore took over the #5 Shaw ride, so I have no idea what Bianchi was driving - his McDowell was described as new in 1934, fwiw. However, he was a top driver, so if he showed up at a track, he would have had no problems finding a ride if he wished so. Not sure what became of the Shaw/Chevrolet. In 1934, Steve Sahlinger drove a #4 that the Golden Wheels site describes as the Shaw/Dreyer, and it looks the same as when later driven by Wilburn et al, so that fits. Maybe it was the same chassis, with a new Dreyer engine? I really don't know, but somehow that car looks "new" to me, fwiw.

Yep, confusing! :well:

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:04

Bianchi drove a #7 Dodge for many years, so it's likely the same #7 Dodge that Dippolito (d'Ippolito?) drove in '33.


Ahhh, yes. You're right. I should have looked at my pre-1932 data... what little I have.

That settles one question, at least.




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Posted 31 July 2012 - 19:24

Possible avaiable the 1940/41 season events date?

#217 Michael Ferner

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 18:24

That'll be easy:

1940

Aug 11, Portland Speedway - ???

1941

Jun 22, Portland Speedway - Bill Gelhar

That's all I have! :(

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 21:15

Other than a "Big Car" race that may or may not have been held at Jantzen Beach in June, I have nothing else to add.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 15:05

Jantzen Beach was a quarter mile - you sure it was not a Midget race?

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 02:17

I can't locate the article at this moment. I'll see if I can find it later tonight... I may not have saved it though.

In my notes, I have a "big car" race at Jantzen being mentioned in an article. I also have written, that I believed it to actually be at Portland/Union Ave and it being listed at Jantzen- a writer's mistake. That's why I wrote "may or may not have been" in my previous post.

Upon further inspection at my notes, what I thought was a "6", may actually be an "8", making it most likely the 8/11 Portland race.

I'll post the article if I can find it.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 18:24

I found an interesting thing:At 1934 and 1935 were AAA Eastern States events in Ottawa,Canada.Anyone has got info(when were these events?)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 20:47

August 25 in 1934 (Milt Marion won) and August 23/24 in 1935 (Park Culp on the first day, brother Dutch on the second). I am not really sure about the status of these events - they were promoted by Ralph Hankinson, and most drivers were AAA Eastern circuit regulars (plus a few Central Pennsy independents). It's possible they were AAA sanctioned, and counted for the Eastern Championship, but I don't know - none of the participants were high up in points, so it's impossible to check. Hankinson had already promoted events at the CNE in Toronto in 1930 and 1932, possibly other years - there were races in 1928, too, with Keech and de Palma, likely a Hankinson show - and even earlier, during his IMCA days, at Ormstown (PQ). And there had been races at Stamford, on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls in 1927, with many (local) AAA stars, promoted by a group named ICSA (stupidly, I forgot to pen down what that stood for!). Plus many more races in the Pacific Northwest during the days when AAA still held its forth in the region (late teens and early twenties), at places like Hastings Park in Vancouver or Victoria (BC), and a couple of races at Juárez in Mexico, all with AAA licenced drivers.

Richard, can you reveal your source, and what it says exactly? This is something I would love to figure out myself!

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 21:47

I found that info from a canadian auto racing forum.I was not sure of his authenticity because of this I asked!

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 22:25

....ICSA (stupidly, I forgot to pen down what that stood for!)

So what does CNE stand for?
(Or should I do what I tell everyone else to do, and use the search function?)


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:38

So what does CNE stand for?


Canadian National Exhibition.

Vince H.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:15

Thanks Vince :up:

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 19:17

I used to read that someone wrote that there was a kind of Hankinson Circuit "Championship".
What do you know about that?
When recorded from and who were the winners?

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 19:27

First run in 1932, never found out who won that (to my eternal frsutration :mad:). Perhaps Bob Sall, whom I've seen mentioned as a former Hankinson champion, although he was still pretty "green" at the time. Plus, many mentions of drivers having won this or that championship are promoter's PR, or should I say BS?

1933 Billy Winn
1934 Billy Winn
1935 Doc MacKenzie
1936 Tony Willman
1937 Bob Sall or Frank Beeder
1938 Ted Horn
1939 Joie Chitwood
1940 Ted Horn
1941 Ted Horn
1942 Joie Chitwood? (was very probably leading the standings when racing ceased)

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 20:12

1933 Hankinson circuit

1. April 30, Reading Fairgrounds, Reading (PA), 20 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 19'47.0"
2 Lloyd Broshart (NJ), Green Engineering
3 Malcolm Fox (NJ), Fox/Frontenac?
4 Johnny Concannon (PA), Concannon/Riley
5 Doc MacKenzie (PA), Katz=Miller/Duesenberg
6 Jimmy Patterson (MO), ?/Miller
Fast Time: Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, 29.0"
Lap Leader: Winn, 100 %

2. May 21, Interstate Fairgrounds, Trenton (NJ), 10 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 10'36"
2 Lloyd Broshart (NJ), Green Engineering
3 Don Moore (DC), Braden/?
4 Ken Fowler (OH), ?/Miller
5 Firman Lawshe (NJ), Carter/Cragar
6 Wes Johnson (PA), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
Fast Time: Winn, 30.4"
Lap Leader: Winn, 100 %

3. June 18, Reading Fairgrounds, Reading (PA), 20 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 20'05.8"
2 Ken Fowler (OH), Katz=Miller/Duesenberg
3 Doc MacKenzie (PA), Fox/Frontenac
4 Ted Kessler (NY), Kessler/?
5 Hank Gritzbach (NY), Gritzbach/Roof
6 Otto Burdick (NY), Burdick/Miller
Fast Time: Fred Frame (CA), Frame=Duesenberg/Miller, 28.2"
Lap Leader: Winn, 100 %?

4. July 4, York Fairgrounds, York (PA), 20 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 20'33.6"
2 Fred Frame (CA), Frame=Duesenberg/Miller
3 Ken Fowler (OH), Katz=Miller/Duesenberg
4 Wes Johnson (PA), Linn=Ambler?
5 Lloyd Broshart (NJ), Green Engineering
6 Ebby Ebersole (PA), Cameron/?
Fast Time: Frame, 31.0"
Lap Leader: Winn, 82.5 %

5. July 4, Lakewood Park, Atlanta (GA), 25 miles
1 Chet Gardner (CO), Gardner/Miller, 19'50.2"
2 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar
3 Buddy Callaway (GA), Callaway/Chrysler
4 Red Redmond (GA), Scarratt/Auburn?
5 Bruce Thompson (NC), Ambler
6 Bill Mullins (?), Roberts/Chrysler
Fast Time: Gardner, 44.6"
Lap Leader: Gardner, ?

6. August 2, Kent-Sussex County Fairgrounds, Harrington (DE), 10 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, ?
2 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance
3 Jimmy Patterson (MO), Green Engineering
4 Johnny Moretti (NJ), Ambler
5 Ken Fowler (OH), Braden/?
6 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar
Fast Time: Moretti, 30.8"
Lap Leader: Sall, 65 %

7. August 19, Afton Fairgrounds, Afton (NY), 9 miles (stopped short of 10, accident)
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, no time
2 Harris Insinger (PA), Krasek
3 Tee Linn (PA), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
4 Walt Keiper (NJ), Marks/Frontenac?
5 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar
6 Vern Orenduff (FL), ?/Miller
Fast Time: Maynard Clark (IL), Gerber, 30.0"
Lap Leader: Sall, 88.9 %

8. August 26, Franklin County Fairgrounds, Malone (NY), 15 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, ?
2 Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber
3 Vern Orenduff (FL), ?/Miller
4 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar
5 Ken Fowler (OH), Drake/Winfield
6 Bob Riff (NY), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
Fast Time: Sall, 29.2"
Lap Leader: Sall, 100 %?

9. August 26, Mifflin County Fairgrounds, Lewistown (PA), 15 miles
1 Maynard Clark (IL), Gerber, ?
2 Johnny Hannon (PA), Strupp/Miller
3 Walt Keiper (NJ), Marks/Frontenac?
4 Jimmy Patterson (MO), Green Engineering
5 Tee Linn (PA), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
6 Henry Ziegenthaler (OH), Road/?
Fast Time: Clark, 29.0"
Lap Leader: Clark, ?

10. August 26, Cattaraugus County Fairgrounds, Little Valley (NY), 15 miles
1 Gottlieb Flick (NY), Flick/Hispano-Suiza, 17'45"
2 Ted Nyquist (PA), Krasek
3 Ted Kessler (NY), Kessler/?
4 Johnny Moretti (NJ), Ambler
5 George Brayen (NY), Simmons/Oakland
6 Jack Reynolds (NY), Reynolds/Hudson
Fast Time: Flick, 31.8"
Lap Leader: ?

11. August 26 pp 27, Harry Clay Oval, Middletown (NY), 15 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, ?
2 Tee Linn (PA), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
3 Vern Orenduff (FL), ?/Miller
4 Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber
5 Harris Insinger (PA), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
6 Jimmy Patterson (MO), Green Engineering
Fast Time: Sall, 29.6"
Lap Leader: Sall, 100 %?

12. September 2, Flemington Fairgrounds, Flemington (NJ), 15 miles
1 Harris Insinger (PA), Drake/Winfield, 14'45.6"
2 Johnny Hannon (PA), Strupp/Miller
3 Joe Russo (WI), Sejnost/Frontenac
4 Doc MacKenzie (PA), Fox/Frontenac
5 Wes Johnson (PA), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
6 Bob Hahn (CA), Fox=Shaw?/Frontenac
Fast Time: Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber, 28.0"
Lap Leader: ?

13. September 2, Erie County Fairgrounds, Hamburg (NY), 15 miles
1 Fred Frame (CA), Frame=Duesenberg/Miller, ?
2 Chet Gardner (CO), Gardner/Miller
3 Ted Kessler (NY), Kessler/?
4 Gottlieb Flick (NY), Flick/Hispano-Suiza
5 George Brayen (NY), Simmons/Oakland
6 Floyd Marshall (NY), Marshall?/Frontenac
Fast Time: Frame, 29.2"
Lap Leader: Frame?

14. September 4, Lakewood Park, Atlanta (GA), 30 miles
1 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar, 25'40.0"
2 Johnny Moretti (NJ), Ambler
3 John Sampson (GA), Roberts/Chrysler
4 Walter Johnston (FL), Johnston/?
5 Pat Cranford (NC), Cranford?/Frontenac
6 Dub McLeod (NC), ?/Frontenac
Fast Time: Vieaux, 48.8"
Lap Leader: ?

15. September 8, Schuylkill County Fairgrounds, Pottsville/Cressona (PA), 15 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, ?
2 Johnny Hannon (PA), Strupp/Miller
3 Joe Russo (WI), Sejnost/Frontenac
4 Vern Orenduff (FL), Green Engineering
5 Ken Fowler (OH), Grabow/Frontenac
6 Walt Keiper (NJ), Marks/Frontenac?
Fast Time: Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber, 28.6"
Lap Leader: ?

16. September 9, Vermont State Fairgrounds, Rutland (VT), 15 miles
1 Fred Frame (CA), Frame=Duesenberg/Miller, ?
2 Sid Gerber (NY), Gerber/?
3 Floyd Marshall (NY), Marshall?/Frontenac
4 Hank Gritzbach (NY), Gritzbach/Roof
5 Otto Burdick (NY), Burdick/Miller
6 ?
Fast Time: Frame, 30.0"
Lap Leader: Frame, ?

17. September 15, Tri-County Fairgounds, Altamont (NY), 10 miles (shortened from 15, track conditions)
1 Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber, 10'06.2"
2 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance
3 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac
4 Chuck Tabor (NJ), Perriman?=Vance
5 Johnny Hannon (PA), Strupp/Miller
6 Chet Gardner (CO), Gardner/Miller
Fast Time: Winn, 28.6"
Lap Leader: Gerber, 100 %

18. September 15, South Dakota State Fairgrounds, Huron (SD), 15 miles
1 Johnny Sawyer (WI), Brisko=Miller, 14'42.0"
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
Fast Time: Tony Willman (WI), Ward?/Miller, 28.4"
Lap Leader: Sawyer?

19. September 16 pp 17, Reading Fairgrounds, Reading (PA), 15 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 14'44.8"
2 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance
3 Doc MacKenzie (PA), ?/Miller
4 Joe Russo (WI), Litz=Schneider/Miller
5 Harris Insinger (PA), Drake/Winfield
6 Maynard Clark (IL), Krasek
Fast Time: Winn, 28.0"
Lap Leader: Winn, 86.7 %

20. September 23, Mineola Fairgrounds, Mineola (NY), 15 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, 15'35.2"
2 Chet Gardner (CO), Gardner/Miller
3 Maynard Clark (IL), Gerber
4 Walt Brown (NY), ?
5 Shorty Drexler (OH), Borden/Frontenac
6 Milt Marion (NY), Marion=Lockhart/Miller
Fast Time: Gardner, 29.6"
Lap Leader: Sall, 100 %

21. September 23, Allentown Fairgrounds, Allentown (PA), 15 miles
1 Johnny Sawyer (WI), Brisko=Miller, ?
2 Harris Insinger (PA), Drake/Winfield
3 Doc MacKenzie (PA), ?/Miller
4 Vern Orenduff (FL), Green Engineering
5 Ted Kessler (NY), Kessler/?
6 ?
Fast Time: Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 29.2"
Lap Leader: Winn, 86.7 %

22. September 30, Interstate Fairgrounds, Trenton (NJ), 15 miles
1 Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber, 15'56.8"
2 Chet Gardner (CO), Gardner/Miller
3 Shorty Drexler (OH), Borden/Frontenac
4 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar
5 Walt Brown (NY), ?
6 Chuck Tabor (NJ), Green Engineering
Fast Time: Brown, 31.6"
Lap Leader: Gerber, 80 %

23. September 30, Lehighton Fairgrounds, Lehighton (PA), 15 miles
1 Maynard Clark (IL), Gerber, 14'30.0"
2 Ken Fowler (OH), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
3 Johnny Hannon (PA), Strupp/Miller
4 Doc MacKenzie (PA), ?/Miller
5 Babe Moore (DC), ?
6 Harris Insinger (PA), Drake/Winfield
Fst Time; Clark, 27.8"
Lap Leader: Clark?

24. September 30, Bloomsburg Fairgrounds, Bloomsburg (PA), 15 miles
1 Fred Frame (CA), Frame=Duesenberg/Miller, ?
2 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac
3 Henry Ziegenthaler (OH), Road/?
4 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance
5 Johnny Sawyer (WI), Brisko=Miller
6 Ted Kessler (NY), Kessler/?
Fast Time: Winn, 28.2"
Lap Leader: ?

25. October 7, Hughesville Fairgrounds, Hughesville (PA), 15 miles
1 Harris Insinger (PA), Drake/Winfield, 14'46"
2 Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber
3 Joe Russo (WI), Krasek
4 Ken Fowler (OH), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
5 Ted Kessler (NY), Kessler/?
6 Park Culp (PA), Culp=Green Engineering
Fast Time: Insinger, 29.4"
Lap Leader: Insinger?

26. October 7, Virginia State Fairgrounds, Richmond (VA), 15 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 13'52.2"
2 Fred Frame (CA), Frame=Duesenberg/Miller
3 Johnny Sawyer (WI), Brisko=Miller
4 Sam Elliott (VA), Braden/?
5 Eldridge Tadlock (VA), Tadlock/Frontenac
6 Ben Shaw (NJ), Parkinson?/Frontenac
Fast Time: Winn, 26.6"
Lap Leader: Winn, 100 %

27. October 7, Forsythe County Fairgrounds, Winston-Salem (NC), 15 miles
1 Bert Hellmueller (KY), Hellmueller/Frontenac, ?
2 Hank Gritzbach (NY), Gritzbach/Roof
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
Fast Time: Fred Bailes (WV)?, Hudson/?
Lap Leader: ?

28. October 7, Lakewood Park, Atlanta (GA), 20 miles
1 Wes Breeding (IL), Bailey?/Frontenac, 16'44.0"
2 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar
3 Speed Goff (AL), Argoe/Frontenac?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
Fast Time: Gus Schrader (IA)?, Schrader/Miller, 44.9"?
Lap Leader: ?

29. October 8, Lakewood Park, Atlanta (GA), 20 miles
1 Gus Schrader (IA), Schrader/Miller, 15'47.5"
2 Lloyd Vieaux (CA), Vieaux/Cragar
3 Wes Breeding (IL), ?/Cragar
4 Speed Goff (AL), Argoe/Frontenac?
5 Red Redmond (GA), Scarratt/Auburn?
6 ?
Fast Time: ?
Lap Leader: Schrader?

30. October 13, North Carolina State Fairgrounds, Raleigh (NC), 10 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, ?
2 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac
3 Vern Orenduff (FL), ?/Miller
4 Ben Shaw (NJ), Parkinson?/Frontenac
5 Lew Smith (PA), Bernight/?
6 ?
Fast Time: Sall, 29.0"
Lap Leader: Sall?

31. October 14, Harford County Fairgrounds, Bel Air (MD), 15 miles
1 Johnny Gerber (KS), Gerber, ?
2 Johnny Hannon (PA), Strupp/Miller
3 Harris Insinger (PA), Drake/Winfield
4 Doc MacKenzie (PA), Kwasnak=Green Engineering
5 Malcolm Fox (NJ), Fox/Frontenac?
6 Bob Hahn (CA) Carter/Cragar
Fast Time: Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, 29.6"
Lap Leader: Gerber, 63.3 %

32. October 14, Cabarrus County Fairgrounds, Concord (NC), 5? miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, ?
2 Vern Orenduff (FL), ?/Miller
3 Walt Keiper (NJ), Marks/Frontenac?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?
Fast Time: Winn, 29.6"
Lap Leader: Winn?

33. October 19, Rocky Mount Fairgrounds, Rocky Mount (NC), 15 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, ?
2 Ben Shaw (NJ), Parkinson?/Frontenac
3 Ken Fowler (OH), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
4 Bert Hellmueller (KY), Hellmueller/Frontenac
5 Lew Smith (PA), Bernight/?
6 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac
Fast Time: Sall, 31.0"
Lap Leader: Sall?

34. October 21, Rocky Mount Fairgrounds, Rocky Mount (NC), 10 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, ?
2 Ben Shaw (NJ), Parkinson?/Frontenac
3 Ken Fowler (OH), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
4 Bert Hellmueller (KY), Hellmueller/Frontenac
5 ?
6 ?
Fast Time: Sall, 31.0"
Lap Leader: Sall?

35. October 28, Spartanburg Fairgrounds, Spartanburg (SC), 5 miles
1 Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance, 5'09.4"
2 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac
3 Don Moore (DC), Braden/?
4 Ken Fowler (OH), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
5 Vern Orenduff (FL), ?/Miller
6 Fred Bailes (WV), ?/Miller
Fast Time: Winn, 28.8"
Lap Leader: Winn, 70 %

36. November 11, Virginia State Fairgrounds, Richmond (VA), 15 miles
1 Billy Winn (MO), Sejnost/Frontenac, 14'27.6"
2 Ken Fowler (OH), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
3 Johnny Hannon (PA), Strupp/Miller
4 Jimmy Patterson (MO), Ambler/Hispano-Suiza
5 Malcolm Fox (NJ), Drake/Winfield
6 Eddie Skinner (MD), Skinner?/?
Fast Time: Winn, 28.0"
Lap Leader: Bob Sall (NJ), Perriman=Vance & Winn, 50 % each

Final Standings
1 Billy Winn (MO)
2 Bob Sall (NJ)
3 Ken Fowler (OH)
4 Lloyd Vieaux (CA)
5 Fred Frame (CA)
6 Harris Insinger (PA)
7 Johnny Gerber (KS)
8 Doc MacKenzie (PA)
9 Maynard Clark (IL)
10 Johnny Hannon (PA)

Edited by Michael Ferner, 26 March 2013 - 22:12.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 18:09

Fantastic job!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 20:10

Is this maybe from direction certain CODA to know something about for the championship yet?(tracks,champions,any)Was it the continuation of this championship for WRA?Who was the WRA champion in 1941?

Can you know more about these questions?




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Posted 09 June 2013 - 21:35

Trying to revive this topic!

Anybody has any info about States Champions?For a long time I thought that this title as state champion some sort of advertising copy.However, I have seen a few places that had championship point events in early 20s years and later.Of course, I know it was some sort of champion local hero and promoted(for example:Earl Brunk-Montana's Champion :D ), but in many places they were real championships.We know anything about these champions?

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 20:13

State championships were often "handed out" at independent dirt track events, mostly as an advertizing coup of the promoter. Different promoters may have staged concurrent state championships, i.e. for the same year and state. Since the leading drivers of any state were usually holding AAA licences, they were not allowed to compete, hence the state champions were mostly "no-names" - like Ted Smith, for example, 1923 Michigan state champion - I wonder what Joe Boyer or Ernie Ansterburg thought of that; even Ralph de Palma lived in Detroit at the time! And Alex Sloan probably promoted Oscar "Swede" Anderson as the Michigan state champion, regardless!! In 1924, there were at least three different state championships for Maryland alone, with such famous names as Babe Schemeylun or Riley Cumberland amongst the winners. I challenge you to find any other results for these gentlemen! Howdy Wilcox won the 1924 Indiana state championship at the Hoosier Motor Speedway, from Joe Huff and Cy Marshall - it would be almost ten years before any of them even so much as started in the most prestigious race in the state...

In 1938, the promoters of the Elsmere Fairgrounds near Wilmington/DE staged weekly Big Car races, and counted points for a track championship with the grand name "Delaware State Championship" - only one of the drivers competing in those races qualified for the main event when the AAA made their only visit to the state that year, and he was actually from Pennsylvania. He did well, though, fourth amongst seven finishers. The AAA themselves awarded state championships on a points basis to Midget drivers in the East in the early forties, perhaps elsewhere, too. Those multi-race state championships carried at least some prestige, and are perhaps comparable to track championships at more prominent tracks today, whose regular drivers can hold their head up high when the World of Outlaws come to town. The earlier, one-race state championships are not worth recording, in my opinion.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:53

Sobering reminder for sure.
Thanks.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:55

Going on with 1933, and as before:

!!!The data is not only incomplete, but also quite suspect in a number of cases, especially entrant and car info!!!

Date		D  CR  St  Venue		 TT   RD  Winner				Team/Owner			Chassis			   Engine				Time


1933-04-30  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-13  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   35  Bill Cummings		 Mike Boyle			Miller-Boyle CC-31	Offenhauser 255	   ?

1933-05-14  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-05-21  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-21  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-05-28  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-05-30  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-	?  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-03  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   40  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-04  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-11  E   ?  DE  Dover		 D-	?  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-11  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-06-18  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-18  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-07-04  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1	?  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1933-07-04  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   12½ ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-04  E   ?  PA  York		  D-   20  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-09  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-07-16  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Jimmy Patterson	   Green Engineering	 Green				 Green				 ?

1933-07-29  E   ?  DE  Harrington	D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-30  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-   12½ ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-06  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-08-19  E   ?  NY  Afton		 D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-20  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   25  Ira Hall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				   24'33.4"

1933-08-26  E   ?  PA  Lewistown	 D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-08-26  E   ?  NY  Little Valley D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-26  E   ?  NY  Malone		D-   15  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-08-27  E   ?  NY  Middletown	D-   15  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-01  E   ?  NY  Rheinbeck	 D-   10  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-09-02  E   ?  NJ  Flemington	D-   15  Harris Insinger	   Bill Drake			Drake				 Winfield A			  14'45.6"

1933-09-04  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   30  Llyod Vieaux		  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-04  E   ?  NY  Hamburg	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-04  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-04  E   ?  MA  South Attleb. D-   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-08  E   ?  PA  Pottsville	D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-09  E   ?  MA  South Attleb. D-	?  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-09  E   ?  PA  Langhorne	 D1   50  Johnny Hannon		 Gus Strupp			Strupp				Miller 220			?

1933-09-09  E   ?  VT  Rutland	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-10  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-	?  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-15  E   ?  NY  Altamont	  D-	?  Johnny Gerber		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-09-16  E   ?  PA  Reading	   D-   15  Billy Winn			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-23  E   ?  PA  Allentown	 D-   15  Johnny Sawyer		 Joe Lencki			?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-23  E   ?  NY  Mineola	   D-   15  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-09-24  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   15  Joe Russo			 ?					 ?					 ?					   14'38.8"

1933-09-30  E   ?  PA  Lehighton	 D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			  14'30"

1933-09-30  E   ?  NJ  Trenton	   D-   15  Johnny Gerber		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-10-01  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   15  Maynard Clark		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			  14'32.4"

1933-10-07  E   ?  CT  Danbury	   D-	8  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-07  E   ?  NC  Winston-Salem D-   15  Bert Hellmueller	  Bert Hellmueller	  ?					 Fronty				?

1933-10-07  E   ?  PA  Hughesville   D-   15  Harris Insinger	   Bill Drake			Drake				 Winfield A			  14'46"

1933-10-07  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-07  E   ?  GA  Atlanta	   D1   30* Wes Breeding		  ?					 ?					 Fronty				  16'44"

1933-10-08  E   ?  NJ  Woodbridge	D-   20  Bob Sall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				   18'58.3"

1933-10-13  E   ?  NC  Raleigh	   D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-14  E   ?  MD  Belair		D-	?  Johnny Gerber		 Johnny Gerber		 Gerber				Gerber 177			?

1933-10-14  E   ?  NC  Concord	   D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-19  E   ?  NC  Rocky Mount   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-21  E   ?  NC  Rocky Mount   D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-11-11  E   ?  VA  Richmond	  D-   10  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?



1933-05-21  M   ?  MI  Detroit	   D1   20  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-21  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Sam Hoffman		   John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1933-05-28  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-   20  Ira Hall			  Johnny Vance		  Vance				 Vance				 ?

1933-06-04  M   ?  MI  Detroit VFW   D-   20  Al Miller			 ?					 ?					 Fronty				?

1933-06-11  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Sam Hoffman		   John Bagley		   Bagley SC-31		  Cragar				?

1933-06-18  M   ?  IN  Fort Wayne	D-   25  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-18  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   50  Mauri Rose			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-25  M   ?  MI  Detroit VFW   D-   50  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-09  M   ?  IN  Roby		  D1   50  Clay Corbitt		  Bill Howe			 Howe				  Hisso				 ?

1933-07-17  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1  100  Wilbur Shaw		   Leon Duray			Miller 122			Miller 220			1:15'23.52"

1933-07-30  M   ?  IN  Winchester	D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-01  M   ?  IL  Peoria		D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-06  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   40  Wilbur Shaw		   Leon Duray			Miller 122			Miller 220			?

1933-08-08  M   ?  MI  Saginaw	   D-   15  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-27  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Mauri Rose			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-29  M   ?  WI  Milwaukee	 D1   25  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			?

1933-09-17  M   ?  MI  Saginaw	   D-   50  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-24  M   ?  OH  Hamilton	  D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-29  M   ?  MI  Ann Arbor	 D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?



1933-01-01  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-01-15  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Theisen			Leslie Quinn		  Quinn SC-31		   Miller				?

1933-02-05  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Bob Carey			 Joe Marks			 Marks SC-33		   Miller 255			  59'33.9"

1933-02-12  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-02-19  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-02-26  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Bob Carey			 Joe Marks			 Marks SC-33		   Miller 255			?

1933-03-05  P   ?  CA  Imperial	  D1   60  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-03-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			1:09'44"

1933-04-02  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-04-16  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Babe Stapp			?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-04-23  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  150  Chet Gardner		  Chet Gardner		  Miller 91			 Miller 220			1:38'41.2"

1933-04-30  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-05-07  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-   20  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-05-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			  16'57"

1933-05-24  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-05-28  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-   30  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-05-31  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-06-04  P   ?  CA  San Jose	  D-   25  Swede Smith		   ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-07  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Carl Ryder			Russ Garnant		  Vance SC-30		   Cragar				?

1933-06-11  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-14  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   25  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-06-21  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   20  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-06-25  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-   30  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-06-28  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-07-05  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-07-12  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-07-16  P   ?  CA  San Jose	  D-   25  Herb Balmer		   Russ Garnant		  Vance SC-30		   Cragar				?

1933-07-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-07-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   50  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-07-26  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-02  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-08-05  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   15  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-09  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-08-13  P   ?  CA  San Diego	 D-	?  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-08-16  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-08-19  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   20  Herb Balmer		   Russ Garnant		  Vance SC-30		   Cragar				?

1933-08-23  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-08-30  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-09-02  P   ?  CA  Colton		D-   20  Rex Mays			  Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-06  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-09-13  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Kelly Petillo		 Llyod Vieaux		  ?					 ?					 ?

1933-09-20  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-09-27  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-10-04  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   37½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-10-08  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   20  Swede Smith		   ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-10-11  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   30  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-10-18  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Ernie Triplett		Bill White			White				 Miller 220			?

1933-10-22  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			1:03'55.6"

1933-10-29  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Rex Mays			  Paul Fromm			Fromm				 Hisso				 ?

1933-11-05  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-11-12  P   ?  CA  Oakland	   D1  100  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			1:00'28.3"

1933-11-19  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-11-26  P   ?  CA  colton		D-   20  Frank Wearne		  ?					 ?					 ?					 ?

1933-12-10  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   95  Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?

1933-12-17  P   ?  CA  Ascot		 D-   62½ Al Gordon			 Sparks/Weirick		Sparks-Weirick SC-32  Sparks 239			?


As I understand it some of the data has been updated ... if you know it is possible to update and add?

I really like this topic! :)

#236 Michael Ferner

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 18:28

Er... yes, indeed - I learned quite a lot in the past five years! Coincidentally (or not), 1933 is perhaps the year where I am closest to having full results of all (?) AAA races; I'm even working on full points tables. If you're patient, I may find the time to post a synopsis of the season's racing, with results.

But not today.

And not tomorrow.

:)

#237 sramoa

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 19:02

Moreover, this topic did you spot it in around 1936 or went out the other way?

#238 Michael Ferner

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 19:39

I have also (naturally) found more info on later years, and have had another stab at the 1936 points tables, for example, but believe me or not, at the moment I'm working on the 1984 WoO points tables, and I will finish that before I will readdress the thirties!

:)

#239 GILMORE

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 02:29

Michael. when you get a chance, would LOVE to compare notes with you on the Jeffries/Burbank Speedway. Here are the results I have...

1932-05-22, 25 LAPS, BILL SLAUSON, ?
1932-05-30, 25 LAPS, BILL SLAUSON, 19'38.76"
1932-06-05, 25 LAPS, FLOYD ROBERTS, 18'37.19"
1932-07-31, 25 LAPS, CLARENCE PETERSON, 16'06.99"
1932-09-04, 25 LAPS, BILL SLAUSON, ?
1932-09-18, 25 LAPS, FRENCHIE LA HORGUE, ?
1932-09-25 (?), 25 LAPS, FRENCHIE LA HORGUE (?), ?
1932-10-02, 25 LAPS, FRENCHIE LA HORGUE, ?
1932-10-09, 25 LAPS, ?, ?
1932-10-16, 25 LAPS, FRENCHIE LA HORGUE, ?

From what info I have, the remaining '32 race dates (12/18 and 12/26) were stock car/roadster races.

1933-02-05, 35 LAPS, JOHNNY PASCO (PASKOVICH), 22'25.4"
1933-02-12, 35 LAPS, JIMMY WILKESON, 22'21"
1933-02-19, 40 LAPS, JIMMY WILKESON, 25'20.6"
1933-02-26, 40 LAPS, RAY PIXLEY. 26'40.1"
1933-03-05, 35 LAPS, JOHNNY PASCO (PASKOVICH), ?
1933-03-19, 30 LAPS, JOHNNY PASCO (PASKOVICH), 19'03.3"
1933-03-26, 30 LAPS, KARL YOUNG, 18'32.5"
1933-04-23, ? LAPS, ?, ?
1933-05-07, 25 LAPS, BAYLISS LEVRETT, 15'21.3"
1933-05-14, 25 LAPS, KARL YOUNG, 15'16.1"
1933-05-21, 25 LAPS, ?, ?
1933-05-30, 25 LAPS, RAY PIXLEY, ?
1933-06-04, 25 LAPS (CUT TO 9 LAPS - RAIN), GEORGE ROBSON, ?
1933-06-11, ? LAPS, POSTPONED - TRACK RESURFACING
1933-06-18, 25 LAPS, RAY (?) LEVRETT, 15'23"

6/18 is the last race I have for Burbank. I know I am missing several from the '33 season as Pasco won 4 races and Pixley is said to have won multiple races.


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#240 sramoa

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:20

As I understand Jeffries Ranch/Speedway in Burbank was part of 100 ACU (Auto Cycle Union) Star Championship...but I don't have any info this "championship".

Edited by sramoa, 24 July 2013 - 12:21.


#241 Jim Thurman

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 16:35

As I understand Jeffries Ranch/Speedway in Burbank was part of 100 ACU (Auto Cycle Union) Star Championship...but I don't have any info this "championship".

That is an error at Motorsport Memorial. It was simply an error made with the drop-down menu for facilities when the entry was made.

#242 Jim Thurman

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 20:18

GILMORE, great stuff on the Jefferies Ranch/Burbank Speedway list :up:

What were your sources? Coast Racing News and Los Angeles Times by any chance?

From what I've turned up, Burbank was often roadsters or "mixed" (both single seat and roadsters), much like Culver City Speedway was around the same time frame.

I have no idea when I'd be able to get to it, but the Burbank newspaper had coverage as well.

#243 GILMORE

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 23:03

What were your sources? Coast Racing News and Los Angeles Times by any chance?
...
I have no idea when I'd be able to get to it, but the Burbank newspaper had coverage as well.


Wish I had access to the Burbank paper. I found articles/race reports in several Cali newspapers, but the only paper that had more than a sentence or two on the races, was the LA Times. Finding the articles in the LA Times eventually became a challenge; looking for a "needle in a haystack".

I have never seen a photo of the track. Have you, Jim?


#244 Michael Ferner

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 14:59

Michael. when you get a chance, would LOVE to compare notes with you on the Jeffries/Burbank Speedway. Here are the results I have...


Haven't we been through this before? Anyway, you have WAY more than I have on these races! Most of what I have is previews, but very, very few results. And I agree with Jim, most (if not all) of these races appear to have been "mixed" events, i.e. Big Cars and Track Roadsters.

#245 Jim Thurman

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 15:50

Wish I had access to the Burbank paper. I found articles/race reports in several Cali newspapers, but the only paper that had more than a sentence or two on the races, was the LA Times. Finding the articles in the LA Times eventually became a challenge; looking for a "needle in a haystack".

I have never seen a photo of the track. Have you, Jim?

Yes, even with the search function, finding the articles on Jefferies/Burbank in the Times was quite challenging. When I get a chance, I'll compare what I turned up, though I think they mesh with your finds. Pasco's additional 1933 win must have been on 4-23 or 5-21 as, sadly, he died in an accident in the 5-30-33 race :cry:

I've seen a couple of photos, neither of which show the track well. One (both?) turned up in one of Don Radbruch's roadster books.

The access I had to the Burbank paper was spotty. Their microfilm machine seemed perpetually broken, but once they let me take a reel and drive over to the Glendale library, which had microfilm machines missing zooms or with broken cranks. I was looking up info for Motorsport Memorial, but noted a few events. I'm not getting to that area as often as I used to.



#246 Jim Thurman

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 16:03

As I understand Jeffries Ranch/Speedway in Burbank was part of 100 ACU (Auto Cycle Union) Star Championship...but I don't have any info this "championship".

Richard,

What does it say for "championship" series at Motorsport Memorial now?  ;)

#247 sramoa

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 17:17

Richard,

What does it say for "championship" series at Motorsport Memorial now?;)


Yes!So I have taken on another meaning to! :)

However, while Michael is working with other project-( the most active the West Coast guys in this topic now) Ask about pre-war West Coast race tracks and their results.

Of course, Legion Ascot and Oakland a separate thread could be.
If I remember was discuss about Banning ... but it was not enough for my info about Colton or El Centro / Imperial

Edited by sramoa, 25 July 2013 - 17:18.


#248 GILMORE

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:44

Haven't we been through this before?


Not that I am aware of. I posted the results I have for this track, the San Diego tracks; Silvergate and Neil's, Culver City, Inter City and the Tri-City tracks, over
in the "Defunct West Coast tracks" thread on TrackForum. I don't think that you ever responded, at least, I cannot find a post where you responded.. Someone told me that you stopped posting there right after I posted all that. :confused:

#249 GILMORE

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:02

Yes, even with the search function, finding the articles on Jefferies/Burbank in the Times was quite challenging. When I get a chance, I'll compare what I turned up, though I think they mesh with your finds. Pasco's additional 1933 win must have been on 4-23 or 5-21 as, sadly, he died in an accident in the 5-30-33 race :cry:

I've seen a couple of photos, neither of which show the track well. One (both?) turned up in one of Don Radbruch's roadster books.

The access I had to the Burbank paper was spotty. Their microfilm machine seemed perpetually broken, but once they let me take a reel and drive over to the Glendale library, which had microfilm machines missing zooms or with broken cranks. I was looking up info for Motorsport Memorial, but noted a few events. I'm not getting to that area as often as I used to.


Thanks, Jim. It's been 7-8...9 months since I researched the Jeffries track from the LA Times archive. If I remember correctly, it started off as a rodeo/horse track with visions of becoming a popular race track. Jim Jeffries was a popular boxing champ and it's possible that they thought they could get a couple "Class A" AAA races there eventually, that's just a guess though. After a couple years, the articles/mentions of auto races seems to have stopped and all I could find is rodeo related mentions. Like I said, it's been quite a while since I did any research on the track.

#250 Michael Ferner

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 16:00

Not that I am aware of. I posted the results I have for this track, the San Diego tracks; Silvergate and Neil's, Culver City, Inter City and the Tri-City tracks, over
in the "Defunct West Coast tracks" thread on TrackForum. I don't think that you ever responded, at least, I cannot find a post where you responded.. Someone told me that you stopped posting there right after I posted all that. :confused:


Ah, yes, the bell rrrrrings! I did actually stop posting on TF earlier this year, but have meanwhile returned because... well... actually, I really don't know why because the forum is as useless and the posters as infuriating as ever! Anyway, I must have seen your post there, maybe during my "lay-off", and decided that I should drop you a note - but I must've forgotten! :blush: Anyway, no harm done as you have "out-researched" me there! :D