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#1 manodemono

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:23

With Todt now out of Ferrari, does that mean Massa will get moved to testing duties or will be " loaned " to some other team making way for FA to team KR ?

Maclaren isn't going to like this !

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#2 AFCA

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:25

What :drunk: ?!

#3 manodemono

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:27

You heard it right, todt's been replaced !

#4 AFCA

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:33

What has that got anything to do with Massa ? Di Montezemolo personally made sure the Brazilian's contract was extended and the current bosses have no intention to relegate Massa into another position either...

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:34

Originally posted by AFCA
What :drunk: ?!


Any comments about Todt's position at Ferrari?

#6 AFCA

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:37

He's still the boss of the roadcar department and as far as I'm aware that's the job all focus would go on to at the end of the transitional F1 year onwards...

#7 manodemono

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:39

Unfortunately, Massa is perceived as not of the same caliber as FA by most in F1 circles.

This being the case, if you were the Ferrari president & knew that Alonso was free wouldn't you give him the ride making without a doubt the most formidable F1 team in decades ?

Better yet, depriving the competition of using a driver that's beaten Ferrari 2 years in a row with one MS ?

#8 carbonfibre

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:39

Yep if i am correct the plan was at first that he wouldnt even be on the pitwall this year already. But they changed that and he would stay on for 1 more year.

#9 Sakae

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:40

I expect Luca's statement tommorrow. (No, I do not have any insight, but I am assuming so, because that's what JT deserves, and Luca shall deliver).

#10 quasi C

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 21:51

As far as is known he's still CEO of Ferrari.

#11 Clatter

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:12

Originally posted by manodemono
Unfortunately, Massa is perceived as not of the same caliber as FA by most in F1 circles.

This being the case, if you were the Ferrari president & knew that Alonso was free wouldn't you give him the ride making without a doubt the most formidable F1 team in decades ?

Better yet, depriving the competition of using a driver that's beaten Ferrari 2 years in a row with one MS ?


Not having seen what happened with him at Mac. Ferrari have a strong lineup, and what looks a happy and harmonious team, why risk that?

#12 robnyc

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:17

mONTEZEMOLO

"With all the respect for the other drivers, I won't change my drivers Kimi Raikkonen and Felipe Massa with anyone else. They are the best in the world," he was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.


"Felipe Massa, despite being young, had more pole positions than anyone, he's strong and loyal, and it's not by chance that I personally decided to renew his contract until 2010."

#13 panzani

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:25

In any business, the responsible for leaks of sensitive data to other companies is fired. In F1, it just gets replaced and kept at bay, because it is a very small world, and getting rid of him could do more damage than good. His employee leaked data, he is responsible. Either they do that to him, or FIAT would have to fire Montezemolo. As simple as that. Not that any of you will agree with me, of course. ;)

#14 Lurb

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:26

Maybe Max will let them run 3 cars and McHam does just with 1 :smoking:

#15 manodemono

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:28

Originally posted by Clatter


Not having seen what happened with him at Mac. Ferrari have a strong lineup, and what looks a happy and harmonious team, why risk that?


Great point !

Please however, consider the following :

1. Ferrari have provided equal equipment to both KR & FM so why couldn't they do that if FA comes ?

2. FA's great driving at Ferrari means, FA isn't going to produce great drives at the competition

3. FA brings in lots of sponsorship money, potentially fattening Ferrari's development costs which could mean a better car

4. KR & FA go back a long way. While each would want to win, I reckon the 2 will work out & respect gentlemen's agreements ( something LH wouldn't keep at Mac - see Hungary fuel burn - and RD's inability to keep order possibly due to his favoritism towards LH )

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:32

Originally posted by AFCA
What has that got anything to do with Massa ? Di Montezemolo personally made sure the Brazilian's contract was extended and the current bosses have no intention to relegate Massa into another position either...


Luca, at the same time, also personally assured the press that Todt was in charge of Scuderia. Don't mistake press releases for fact.

#17 Ricardo F1

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:41

Originally posted by manodemono


Great point !

Please however, consider the following :

1. Ferrari have provided equal equipment to both KR & FM so why couldn't they do that if FA comes ?

So did McLaren. That's isn't enough.

Originally posted by manodemono
2. FA's great driving at Ferrari means, FA isn't going to produce great drives at the competition

Ferrari will likely have a better car than anything Fernando will get close to. Not sure they're that worried.

Originally posted by manodemono
3. FA brings in lots of sponsorship money, potentially fattening Ferrari's development costs which could mean a better car

Never has been an issue getting money at Ferrari. Besides Marlboro own their livery.

Originally posted by manodemono
4. KR & FA go back a long way. While each would want to win, I reckon the 2 will work out & respect gentlemen's agreements ( something LH wouldn't keep at Mac - see Hungary fuel burn - and RD's inability to keep order possibly due to his favoritism towards LH )

Do they?? How so?

Forget it, Massa and KR at Ferrari next year.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:50

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
So did McLaren. That's isn't enough.



That isn´t what FA thinks, and LH beating him for qualy in a row makes me wonder if he isn´t right. May be 2008 will give us an answer.

#19 Clatter

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 22:59

Originally posted by Enzoluis



That isn´t what FA thinks, and LH beating him for qualy in a row makes me wonder if he isn´t right. May be 2008 will give us an answer.


So because FA was beaten by LH he must have had an inferior car. :rolleyes:

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#20 Spunout

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 00:01

Originally posted by Clatter


So because FA was beaten by LH he must have had an inferior car. :rolleyes:


Why do you think people keep starting these "Alonso was screwed" debates?;)

It goes like this:

1) We KNOW Fernando Alonso is the best driver in F1, head and shoulders above the rest

2) If Fernando Alonso isn´t the best driver in F1 (head and shoulders above the rest)...

...there must be foul play going on.



That´s it really!

#21 Dragonfly

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 00:18

Originally posted by manodemono
With Todt now out of Ferrari, does that mean Massa will get moved to testing duties or will be " loaned " to some other team making way for FA to team KR ?

Maclaren isn't going to like this !


Where did you learn that?
AFAIK Todt was promoted to CEO of Ferrari last year and kept on interim terms the director's position at the Sporting dpt. only to provide a smooth transition with the newly promoted people there. Now he left that temporary position which was expected to be taken by Brawn.
That, of course, does not mean he may have just to leave Ferrari as a whole, but no info up to this moment of anything else than the above.

#22 aportinga

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 00:35

Originally posted by manodemono
Todt now out of Ferrari,


:clap:

A few more folks to go and maybe they can rebuild into a team of passionate professionals and not corporate asswipes :up:

#23 DLaw

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 00:35

Todt got the boot upstairs to manage road cars. Period.

#24 msvr07

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 01:07

No more knitted sweaters trackside, what's the world comming to?

2008 shall be interesting.

#25 Lazarus II

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 01:39

Originally posted by panzani
In any business, the responsible for leaks of sensitive data to other companies is fired. In F1, it just gets replaced and kept at bay, because it is a very small world, and getting rid of him could do more damage than good. His employee leaked data, he is responsible. Either they do that to him, or FIAT would have to fire Montezemolo. As simple as that. Not that any of you will agree with me, of course. ;)

I agree with you 100% :up:

#26 F1 Tor.

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 01:47

Grow some fingernails.;)

#27 Kooper

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 03:24

Originally posted by Enzoluis



That isn´t what FA thinks, and LH beating him for qualy in a row makes me wonder if he isn´t right. May be 2008 will give us an answer.


yeah but Fred suffers from paranoia & various other mental illnesses




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#28 AFCA

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:43

Originally posted by Josta


Luca, at the same time, also personally assured the press that Todt was in charge of Scuderia. Don't mistake press releases for fact.


Was Todt not in charge of the team then ? What quote are you referring to ?

#29 yvonne.kk

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 09:59

FM could stop thinking of WDC! :blush:

#30 Josta

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 11:55

Originally posted by AFCA


Was Todt not in charge of the team then ? What quote are you referring to ?


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/63640

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 12:06

As good as FA is......he's not Ferrari material. He's out for himself and nobody else, and he wouldn't fit into the Ferrari family. Not to mention the fact that he'd bitch about not having number 1 status in the team.

Btw Ricardo F1, your tag line is incorrect!!!

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 13:17

Originally posted by manodemono
With Todt now out of Ferrari, does that mean Massa will get moved to testing duties or will be " loaned " to some other team making way for FA to team KR ?

Maclaren isn't going to like this !


Todt is still Ferrari's CEO.

It was known since last year that he would have temporarily the role of director of the Gestione Sportiva:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/55430

Thursday, October 26th 2006, 14:35 GMT

Frenchman Jean Todt, who was confirmed yesterday as Ferrari's new CEO, will also take on, as an interim, the role of managing director of the Ferrari's Gestione Sportiva.



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Posted 14 November 2007 - 21:25

Schumacher to McLaren ? :wave:

#34 giacomo

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 21:41

Yeah sure - Alonso to Ferrari and Schumacher to McLaren. And Todt was sacked by Montezemolo after winning both WDC and WCC. :stoned:

#35 Timstr11

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 11:38

I read in The Weekly Grapevine that Domenicali will report directly to Montezemolo.
If true, even if Todt stays on as Ferrari CEO, he will not have anything to do with Ferrari's racing activities, let alone F1.
This goes against his statement that he is not ready to quit the sport.

Me thinks Todt will leave Ferrari by the end of this year.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 20:39

Originally posted by Schumacher-misser
As good as FA is......he's not Ferrari material. He's out for himself and nobody else, and he wouldn't fit into the Ferrari family. Not to mention the fact that he'd bitch about not having number 1 status in the team.

Btw Ricardo F1, your tag line is incorrect!!!


istr Schuey wasn't exactly altruistic -------

#37 britishtrident

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 20:40

Originally posted by Timstr11
I read in The Weekly Grapevine that Domenicali will report directly to Montezemolo.
If true, even if Todt stays on as Ferrari CEO, he will not have anything to do with Ferrari's racing activities, let alone F1.
This goes against his statement that he is not ready to quit the sport.

Me thinks Todt will leave Ferrari by the end of this year.



A little longer Max isn't ready to quit yet ---- watch the sport sink even more

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 20:46

Originally posted by Timstr11
I read in The Weekly Grapevine that Domenicali will report directly to Montezemolo.
If true, even if Todt stays on as Ferrari CEO, he will not have anything to do with Ferrari's racing activities, let alone F1.
This goes against his statement that he is not ready to quit the sport.

Me thinks Todt will leave Ferrari by the end of this year.


Dieter speculates Toyota beckons.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 13:42

There's something a little bit stinky about Nicholas Todt being Massa's manager. I don't think di Montezemelo really wants him there long term.

I was reading an article about Todt just this morninmg and he admits himself his biggest failing is that he bears a grudge. He had some sort of falling out with Alonso back in 02/03 - I think he is still peeved FA went with Renault rather than replacing Barrichello at Ferrari.

Todt had to be removed from the F1 operation to clear the way for Alonso in '09 methinks? :confused:

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 13:46

Originally posted by pjabyrne
Todt had to be removed from the F1 operation to clear the way for Alonso in '09 methinks? :confused:


They won both titles this year, with fast car and excellent driver line-up. They sure as hell wouldn´t fire Todt to get Alonso.

#41 quasi C

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 13:46

Todt, since september 06, has been holding the TP role in interim probably waiting out how the Brawn situation resolved itself, now simply that position has been filled by Domenicali and Todt seems to remain as CEO of Ferrari.

Also congratulations to Costa who becomes technical director, after so many who derided him in 2005 he has overseen the design of a multiple GP winning car in 06 and a WDC/WCC winning car in 07 in just his 3rd project in charge.

#42 The Kanisteri

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 14:16

I have understood Todt got promotion and position elsewhere from Ferrari organisation. He is not out...

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 14:49

Sorry Alonso's fans but after his moaning this year he forever lost any chance to join Ferrari with or without Todt.

What next? Maybe some old Ferrari staff may join Ross Brawn at Honda. :lol:

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 14:53

Originally posted by manodemono


Better yet, depriving the competition of using a driver that's beaten Ferrari 2 years in a row with one MS ?


Does Ferrari think this way? I don't think so. To Ferrari, Alonso is not better than Kimi and Massa, let alone MS.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 20:37

Michael had not accepted JT' job (said JT).

I think it's nice to reach that level of financial independence that you can accept a job that you like, rather than the one which pays most. (Probably he saw JT's calendar and hours he was putting in, and said - no way Jose).