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#801 elansprint72

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 21:30

When?

Since this was taken in the 70s:

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Twice that I know of but I can't tell you dates. I think that every corner at Oulton has been re-aligned or had camber changed slightly over the years since I started going there, with the possible exception of Island and that curve at the top of Clay Hill, the name of which escapes me!

 

Lodge has perhaps changed most of all:

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Another view of Druids out:

 

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#802 alansart

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:08

Since this was taken in the 70s:

 
Twice that I know of but I can't tell you dates. I think that every corner at Oulton has been re-aligned or had camber changed slightly over the years since I started going there, with the possible exception of Island and that curve at the top of Clay Hill, the name of which escapes me!
 

 I hadn't realised that and I'm surprised they moved the circuit out, closer to the trees and making it faster.

Has that curve at the top of Clay Hill got a name?



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:18

 I hadn't realised that and I'm surprised they moved the circuit out, closer to the trees and making it faster.

Has that curve at the top of Clay Hill got a name?

They have also moved the trees!  ;-)

The motor-cycle fraternity seem to call it "Turn 14", incidentally the modern circuit map shows "Water Tower" somewhere on the inside of Druids; the actual water tower building was just at the top of Clay Hill on the right, at what the motor-cyclists call "Turn 13 City Hall".

 

Here is a link to the film of the first ever meeting in COLOUR, I think the previous link from this forum was in B&W. It is very interesting how much the roadway and the environment at the sides have changed since then.

http://www.pistonhea...p?storyId=28277


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#804 Sharman

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 15:39

 I hadn't realised that and I'm surprised they moved the circuit out, closer to the trees and making it faster.

Has that curve at the top of Clay Hill got a name?

In the old days that bit of the course was referred to as the "Garage". It was not open to the public but was a fantastic place to watch from, cars could be seen going through the (then) un-emasculated Knickerbrook up Clay Hill and into the first part of Druid's after which they were lost behind the shrubs, but could be picked up again passing under the Bailey Bridge.

My most vivid memories are of Salvo having the throttle stick open as he passed and hitting a stout tree at the entry to Druid's and of Geoff Richardson in the RRA, which always sounded more aggressive that the ERA's themselves.


Edited by Sharman, 08 October 2013 - 15:42.


#805 Alan Cox

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 18:01

Does anyone who was at the Gold Cup have any info on the state of this Chevron?  The wing looks in worse condition on my photo than it does on Phil's. I have a bit of a thing about rear-wing failure (Rindt, Hill, Stommelen, Raikkonen et al). It must be just about the most terrifying thing to happen to a racer. JohnP

He finished second in the first race, and won the second, John, so I don't think it was a terminal failure.

#806 Phil Rainford

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 18:03

Since this was taken in the 70s:

 

 

 

Another view of Druids out:

 

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Is it me or is the rise and fall less pronounced? 

 

PAR



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 18:28

He finished second in the first race, and won the second, John, so I don't think it was a terminal failure.

 
Thanks Alan, my shot was taken at the top of Clay Hill during the second race, just past the site of the accident in the first race. Very sadly, a Biker on a track day was killed here on Saturday, at what is called Turn 13 City Hall on some circuit maps, JohnP
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...hester-24426442

Edited by Slurp1955, 28 January 2014 - 10:57.


#808 David Beard

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 19:44

Thanks Alan, my shot was taken at the top of Clay Hill during the second race, just past the site of the accident in the first race. Very sadly, a Biker on a track day was killed here on Saturday, at what Is called Turn 13 City Hall on some circuit maps, JohnP

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...hester-24426442

Tragic. What desperatly poor reportage...



#809 elansprint72

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 20:32

 

 

Is it me or is the rise and fall less pronounced? 

 

PAR

The whole corner and the "straight" which follows have been tinkered with. My old shot was taken from the abutment of the Bailey Bridge, hence the elevated viewpoint (try getting that past today's (marshals!). The track has been shifted to the right, as we look at it in the two shots, into where the woods started. The "rise and fall" is probably not too much different- the blue car with white stripe in the modern photo is about at the same position as Escort #4 in my old snap.

Where there was not much run-off, it is now very wide and the "second apex" of the corner moved accordingly to maintain track width.

It was (and still is) interesting to note the changes at the first meeting of each season; these were probably not too obvious to spectators but very noticeable when former camera positions could not be repeated as time went by.

 

This angle at Lodge:

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became impossible as the bank I was standing on was removed and we are now maybe five feet lower today, which makes it more difficult to see the cars coming.

 

This shot:

 

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shows how close it was possible to get to the action at Old Hall; we used to stand where the fire bottles are before the Armco was installed- in those days I trusted drivers to go (more or less) where they were supposed to and without banging into each other. :rolleyes:

 

When the Fosters short-cut replaced the full circuit, a whole new set of possibilities appeared, with the Aintree-like raised kerbs:

 

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 21:12

 

 

When the Fosters short-cut replaced the full circuit, a whole new set of possibilities appeared, with the Aintree-like raised kerbs:

 

 

 

Fortunately they were lowered a little when I used to hit them in the 80's  :well:



#811 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:37

AuroraF1 (Phil Hosker) from Oulton Park has been asked by a lady if he can identify the participants in a few old photos which she has. I can pinpoint Pescarolo from the '67 Gold Cup but can anyone help with the Minis?

 

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#812 elansprint72

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 23:07

I think that the Mini in third position in photo #1 is one of the Howley Racing cars. But I'm usually wrong.



#813 Alan Cox

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 16:19

The lead Mini in photo 1 and the one taking to the grass in photo 2 look to be one and the same to me



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 16:42

The lead Mini in photo 1 and the one taking to the grass in photo 2 look to be one and the same to me

Agreed and as soon as someone comes up with the name I'll recognise it!



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 17:17

Does anyone (thinking Messrs Cox, Beard, Taylor et al) have any shots of Carlos Pace at Oulton? JohnP :cool:



#816 Alan Cox

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 18:21

Does anyone (thinking Messrs Cox, Beard, Taylor et al) have any shots of Carlos Pace at Oulton? JohnP :cool:

 

The only one I have is of Carlos in the Lotus 59A reversing out of his paddock spot to take to the track

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#817 Slurp1955

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 19:03

Superb Alan, thanks so much JP



#818 Phil Rainford

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 18:43

The Autumn colours at Oulton on Saturday morning were sublime 

 

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 19:27

Pirelli staff-members look away now......

 

:cry:

 

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#820 Simon Arron

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 20:38

That Proton suffered a series of blow-outs in both monochrome and colour...

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#821 Simon Arron

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 21:06

Spot the motorhome.

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#822 Sharman

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 21:51

Spot the motorhome.

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That would be 1974 would it Simon? In my last post on Racing Minors I mention the 5s, whose car was the above?. We have the last championship winning 5 in the family, it will come out when there is something sensible to race it in.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 22:17

Does anyone (thinking Messrs Cox, Beard, Taylor et al) have any shots of Carlos Pace at Oulton? JohnP :cool:

 

I have posted this somewhere on the forum before, John. Carlos prepares to do battle in the 1970 British Empire Trophy.

 

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#824 Slurp1955

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 22:30

:up: Thanks very much Tony, missed it first time around, JohnP



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 22:46

Spot the motorhome.

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In November 1973 I bought my first new car, a Renault 5 TL; bright orange, 950cc, gear change in the dash, in-line engine back to front. Was I the dog's bollox, or what? Drove to races all over the place, Monaco, Paul Ricard, Monza, Bari (not sure there was a race there!), LM, that other double-barrelled French place in the middle of nowhere; Rufforth, Aintree, Snet... etc.

I'm inclined to think this shot is from '75.

Brian May is still wearing those dungarees too!



#826 Simon Arron

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 07:00

That would be 1974 would it Simon?

 

I'm inclined to think this shot is from '75.

I'm younger than you think (well, a bit)... The R5 shot was taken with an SLR - and my dad didn't trust me with his Pentax Spotmatic before 1977. The Staw championship sticker leads me to believe this was taken in 1980, in which case car #32 was probably driven by Tudor Alexander. The 5s still looked pretty much the same when I raced one, at Cadwell in 1989 and again at Mallory a couple of years later.

 

For the record, Pete, I passed my test in HBU 908N, a 5TL (the second time of asking, before Rainford mentions as much - crossed my arms in Sale town centre at the first attempt). The gearlever was mounted on floor rather than handlebars in that one, though.



#827 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 08:19

That Proton suffered a series of blow-outs in both monochrome and colour...

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To be fair to my long time employers.....the tyre had done one flying lap !!

 

While it wasn't actually punctured, the bodywork was just rubbing

 

PAR



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 12:44

I'm younger than you think (well, a bit)... The R5 shot was taken with an SLR - and my dad didn't trust me with his Pentax Spotmatic before 1977. The Staw championship sticker leads me to believe this was taken in 1980, in which case car #32 was probably driven by Tudor Alexander. The 5s still looked pretty much the same when I raced one, at Cadwell in 1989 and again at Mallory a couple of years later.

 

For the record, Pete, I passed my test in HBU 908N, a 5TL (the second time of asking, before Rainford mentions as much - crossed my arms in Sale town centre at the first attempt). The gearlever was mounted on floor rather than handlebars in that one, though.

Looking at the details of the fives, I think they are 5TS models (wider wheels and larger engine) rather than the TLs that raced first. Isn't Tudor Alexander a type of windscreen washer fluid? :rolleyes:

While you were crossing your hands in Sale, I bet many pedestrians were crossing themselves. Mine was YNE465M, £845, bought just in time for the introduction of petrol coupons (which I still have, just in case).



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 13:56

Looking at the details of the fives, I think they are 5TS models (wider wheels and larger engine) rather than the TLs that raced first. Isn't Tudor Alexander a type of windscreen washer fluid? :rolleyes:

While you were crossing your hands in Sale, I bet many pedestrians were crossing themselves. Mine was YNE465M, £845, bought just in time for the introduction of petrol coupons (which I still have, just in case).

The 5 Championship was for TSs not for the lesser models. Even though I was boss of a Renault dealership my 1340 Cooper S albeit 10 years older, was head and shoulders above the TS. I tried to get hold of a 12 Gordini as personal transport but Renault were not interested in letting me import one.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 17:16

The 5 Championship was for TSs not for the lesser models. Even though I was boss of a Renault dealership my 1340 Cooper S albeit 10 years older, was head and shoulders above the TS. I tried to get hold of a 12 Gordini as personal transport but Renault were not interested in letting me import one.

Actually the Renault 5 challenge was for the 5TL in 74/75/76, with Neil McGrath winning the championship each year. It was not held in 77 but returned in 78 and 79 for the TS (nee LS), McGrath won in 78 and Jim Edwards in 79. It disappeared again until the 5Turbo was used for a couple of years in the mid 80s; I'm reasonably sure that Wizzo won one year.

 

I helped prepare one of the cars in 75, which was a 74 car with the gearbox up front, the engine had been turned round for production cars somewhere near the end of 74 and the gear-change found its way down to the floor. In 76 there were classes for both versions. I think in 77 the challenge moved to Holland, Belgium and France, which did not go down too well.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 22:04

Spot the motorhome.
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This was after Tudor had rolled it at Old Hall, my partner in crime Steve Brassington was driving that day, can't remember where he came.

#832 Simon Hadfield

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:09

A little off thread, but I was at Oulton Park yesterday and had a moment to wander around the cafe and, rather pedantically, I think the Formula 5000 picture on the wall is actually the 1973 Gold Cup start not 1974. I have my anorak to hand........



#833 La Sarthe

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 13:13

Actually the Renault 5 challenge was for the 5TL in 74/75/76, with Neil McGrath winning the championship each year. It was not held in 77 but returned in 78 and 79 for the TS (nee LS), McGrath won in 78 and Jim Edwards in 79. It disappeared again until the 5Turbo was used for a couple of years in the mid 80s; I'm reasonably sure that Wizzo won one year.

 

I helped prepare one of the cars in 75, which was a 74 car with the gearbox up front, the engine had been turned round for production cars somewhere near the end of 74 and the gear-change found its way down to the floor. In 76 there were classes for both versions. I think in 77 the challenge moved to Holland, Belgium and France, which did not go down too well.

 

Like many one make series, it actually took a step back into club motorsport and carried on with the BRSCC through the eighties. I'll have to dig out a photo I have somwhere of one in the middle of a roll on the approach to Quarry corner at Castle Combe in about '85.



#834 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 19:27

I have a photo of my late father driving a Renault 5 in the 70s, but no idea where and when unfortunately :(
He drove a couple of Renault 5 Turbos, coaching Andrew Ridgeley and Rowan Atkinson - no name dropping!!

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:01

A little off thread, but I was at Oulton Park yesterday and had a moment to wander around the cafe and, rather pedantically, I think the Formula 5000 picture on the wall is actually the 1973 Gold Cup start not 1974. I have my anorak to hand........

So I Take That you were at Oulton on Wednesday,Simon?  ;)



#836 Simon Hadfield

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 22:34

Patience, Tony

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:12

Some improvements over the winter.....

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#838 TimRTC

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 09:34

I just wish they could have more events there on a Sunday. Aside from the Gold Cup and the BTCC/BSB meetings, it is Saturday only.

 

Still I should be making my orange-proban debut at Oulton in June for the touring cars and just to tempt any NF members to come along, the Super Touring trophy will be running at the meeting alongside the contemporary cars - http://www.btcc.net/...n-to-btcc-bill/



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 22:19

I have finally sorted out my photos from the Oulton Park British GT meet way back in April last year, a freezingly cold day with some snow flurries. A couple that already have some nostalgia value:

 

Colin White's epic half-lap of the circuit with an almost entirely ablaze Ginetta before he realised the problem and bailed out near the pit entry. Fortunately he was uninjured and although the car was completely destroyed, they were able to secure a new vehicle in time for the next race thanks to Lawrence Tomlinson. This picture taken at Druids.

 

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Colin White's Ginetta on fire at Oulton Park by Tim R-T-C, on Flickr

 

And the Great Dane Allan Simonsen's last lap at Oulton Park:

 

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Allan Simonsen's last lap at Oulton Park by Tim R-T-C, on Flickr

 

The complete set for anyone interested:

 


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#840 Paul Hurdsfield

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:30

Revolutionary 8 wheeled Formula Ford rounds Knickerbrook.
I'm no good with dates so this is open to the TNF knowledgeable.
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And a few more FF shots.
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#841 alansart

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:36

Revolutionary 8 wheeled Formula Ford rounds Knickerbrook.
I'm no good with dates so this is open to the TNF knowledgeable.

And a few more FF shots.

 

Champion of Oulton 1983



#842 Paul Hurdsfield

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:39

Thanks Alan.

#843 alansart

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 17:02

Thanks Alan.

 

...although it could be 84  :)



#844 Morris S

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 15:11

Very much looking forward to the very first (unless you know different?) Mini Festival at Oulton on July 12th :

 

(just tried to paste a link to the event page but to no avail.... ?? :confused: )

 

I'll be collecting together a display of historic Minis and Mini based machinery for this event which is set to be a cracker.

 

Pete


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#845 alansart

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 15:18

Very much looking forward to the very first (unless you know different?) Mini Festival at Oulton on July 12th :

 

(just tried to paste a link to the event page but to no avail.... ?? :confused: )

 

I'll be collecting together a display of historic Minis and Mini based machinery for this event which is set to be a cracker.

 

Pete

This Mini Festival


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#846 elansprint72

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 22:51

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March 1974.



#847 elansprint72

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 23:01

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October 1974. Damp!



#848 Phil Rainford

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:49

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March 1974.

I reckon whoever painted those kerbs had been in the Red Lion at lunchtime.....he had painted half the track !!

 

PAR


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#849 elansprint72

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 15:53

I reckon whoever painted those kerbs had been in the Red Lion at lunchtime.....he had painted half the track !!

 

PAR

iirc, that was fresh concrete, applied because there was a four inch drop off the edge of the tarmac. Thus was the kerb for driving over born.



#850 Morris S

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 21:26

Not been since last year but Oulton was looking lovely today and packed out for the BTCC which I've not been to for many a year. Sadly the racing didn't live up to expectations, the support package was itself poorly supported and hence the entry fee of £32 seemed poor value (I also had to stump the same fee up for my 15 year old ) , the traffic (held up in the usual places) as ever was a nightmare but I still managed to enjoy the day???? Don't think I'll be back next year though, club racing offers much better racing and much better value.