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#201 Ian Smith - Diz

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 09:06

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
Flicking through some pictures.. I chanced upon this Formula E shot taken from the outside of Old Hall

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If you cast your eyes to the top of the picture you will see at the end of the pits a young man in a wheelchair. This young gentleman was at virtually every Oulton meeting in the mid -1980s. The Circuit authorities allowed him and a member of his family to watch the racing from this viewpoint.

I remember the Champion of Oulton FF1600 races were his favourite and on one occasion Oulton making a presentation to him …..John “Butcher” Booth made the presentation on behalf of the circuit.

A young man who certainly showed a passion for Motor Racing and Oulton Park :up:

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Dave Williams is still a fixture at Oulton Park. Nowadays his vantage point is on the outside of the track at the entrance to Old Hall. Mum still takes him and the regulars help her push the wheelchair up the grass bank.
If you take a look here http://brsccnw.com/marshalling2.htm you will be able to read his excellent articles in the BMMC Northern Outpost Newsletters.

I'll Email him to point him in thedirection of TNF

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#202 Stephen W

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 10:38

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1979 & a Formula Ford gets sorted!

#203 Simon Arron

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 13:13

Is that Mike Dicken's Bedford dormobile just behind?

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 13:58

How spooky is this?

This morning Diz sent me a link to this thread - I wasn't previously aware of TNF. Only yesterday I dug out a photo of John "Butcher" Booth making the presentation to me that Phil refers to way back in 1983. I wanted to scan it as I plan to email it to him at Manor Motorsport to introduce myself as I thought he would be a good subject for an article in a future edition of the marshaling newsletter I contribute to... I wonder if he'll remember me?

I have been trying to add the picture to this post but can't suss it. As a newbie do the mods need to give me permission to add files?

As some of you remember, I have had many great laps of Oulton, including the aforementioned rides in Frank Bradley's Countach and with Gerry Marshall in the Dolly Sprint

Gerry's lap was the first time I had been round the track. It was a prodsaloon car so it had a full complement of seats but no seatbelts. Gerry insisted that my father accompany us to hold on to me so dad had to thread himself through the rear door underneath the roll cage.

We shot out of the pitlane and Gerry jammed on the brakes for Old Hall. When he did so I felt my father's grip on my arm release. I presumed he thought I was steady enough but he told me later that as he had to lie down on the backseat below all the tubing he had been thrown onto the floor when the anchors were jammed on.

Fortunately, I had braced myself against the wheelarch. I remember listening to the tyres squealing in protest inches from my feet.

The rest of the lap passed in a blur of speed, noise and colour. I was 14 at the time, it blew my mind!!!!! My dad passed away less than 12 months later but one of my best memories of him are his howls of laughter as we pulled into the pitlane... I guess it must have blown his mind too although he can't have seen too much of the lap from down in the bowels of the Triumph.

I have really enjoyed reading this thread, some wonderful photos. My namesake, the former fire marshal Dave Williams was the first person my dad and I got to know at Oulton and it was he who invited us to watch from the pitlane.

Happy memories... Dave
PS: If anyone is interested, I have set up a website about my life. It is at www.toetyping.me.uk
I set it up 18 months ago to give encouragement and inspiration to other disabled people. In one section I mention that in my early 20s I use to write race reports for the local paper. When some of the marshals read about my (limited) journalistic history they invited me to submit features for their newsletter (when I get time I really should update to website with that news)

#205 Phil Rainford

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 15:13

Dave

Great to have you signed up ...you are most welcome

You must come along to our next Northern Meeting, Oulton Park tends to be never far from the conversation ;)

Hopefully see you soon

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#206 Stephen W

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 15:32

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Is that Mike Dicken's Bedford dormobile just behind?


I have no idea, in fact I haven't labelled the slide with details of whose car it is! :rolleyes:

#207 Phil Rainford

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 15:56

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fasttoes
[B]How spooky is this?

This morning Diz sent me a link to this thread - I wasn't previously aware of TNF.

Dave

Just dug out this shot of the " Crazy Gang " on the way into Old Hall.......if I am not mistaken isn't that Mr Smith standing next to you paying no attention at all to the antics that without doubt are about to take place into the first corner :)

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#208 Simon Arron

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 16:01

I'd like to join Phil in welcoming David W on board. I'd also encourage everyone to visit David's website - inspiring is too feeble a word.

I have just located (finally) some of my old colour pix and found assorted Oulton Park furniture within...

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Yet another snap of the other David Williams - Capt Bacofoil in his natural habitat.

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Here's something that has been around for longer than the internal combustion engine - Don Williamson. Note the customary stance, with back turned to the action and camera hanging pointlessly by his side. I believe he shot 17 pictures of Chris Latham's Reynard circa May 1984, but I'm not sure his shutter finger has been pressed into service since. Present whereabouts unknown, but I believe he was recently seen buying groceries at a supermarket in Middlewich...

#209 fasttoes

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 17:07

Thanks for the warm welcome gents...

#210 Ian Smith - Diz

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 17:17

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Phil Rainford
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fasttoes
[B]How spooky is this?

This morning Diz sent me a link to this thread - I wasn't previously aware of TNF.

Dave

Just dug out this shot of the " Crazy Gang " on the way into Old Hall.......if I am not mistaken isn't that Mr Smith standing next to you paying no attention at all to the antics that without doubt are about to take place into the first corner :)

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Kind regards

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[/QUOTE]Phil
I had every confidence that the Crazy Gang would safely negotiate Old Hall. :rotfl: I was still looking towards the back of the grid - which would have been a grid bulging at the seams - to see if all of my charges had got away cleanly.

#211 fasttoes

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 19:10

I have now read the ImageShack thread

Here is the picture from when myself and John Booth were in our yoof!
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 19:13

hmmm.....
that didn't work!

Oh well... you will just have to imagine two handsome dudes from the 80s

lol

Cheers, Dave

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 19:38

Here ya go Dave:

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Neil

EDITED: 'Cause I screwed it up the first time - should work now. Oh and a warm welcome as well. :D

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 22:54

I read the posts about Rex Dillon with interest. We knew Rex during the early 1970's but sadly lost touch with him. The photos relate to a Kart meeting at Burtonwood (I believe the chap helping Rex may have been Called John ...? From Middlwhich) whilst the rally photo shows him competing in the Spring Rally in 1973 with yours truly navigating..or at least trying my best to get him lost!

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#215 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 22:59

May I echo the welcome from other TNFers, Dave. It's great to see you here. Like Simon, I found your website inspiring - I'm sorry not to have discovered it sooner.
Which was the local paper that you used to provide Oulton Park reports for? I have enjoyed reading your articles in the BRSCC NW Centre newsletter, which were flagged up by AuroraF1 in an earlier post.

Great pictures, Nick, in the previous post. Doesn't Rex look the serious competitor in his karting leathers?

#216 Ian Smith - Diz

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 23:43

Earlier in the thread the old shops were discussed. For some years now we have been "shopless" at Oulton.
Then I went to a Test today and discovered that just last week QRSport have opened a shop at Oulton. It has racing consumables, some books, DVDs etc.
I've asked that nice Mr Arron to post a photo for me.

#217 Simon Arron

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 07:12

Sitôt dit, sitôt fait...

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Looks smarter than the old shack, probably won't leak and will almost certainly accommodate more than three people, but unlike its forebear I bet it won't be selling Motor Racing Year 1968-9 for 10p (now about £22.50 via specialist retailers)...

#218 Phil Rainford

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 09:57

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nick Taylor
[B]I read the posts about Rex Dillon with interest. We knew Rex during the early 1970's but sadly lost touch with him. The photos relate to a Kart meeting at Burtonwood (I believe the chap helping Rex may have been Called John ...? From Middlwhich) whilst the rally photo shows him competing in the Spring Rally in 1973 with yours truly navigating..or at least trying my best to get him lost!

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Nick, this is fantastic shot of Rex....... I agree with Alan by the look of Mr Dillon in this shot you would not want to be getting in his bad books!;)

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#219 Simon Arron

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 11:20

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
Nick, this is fantastic shot of Rex...

It is a fantastic pic, but it would look more like Rex if his leathers were completely covered in sponsors' patches...

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#220 fasttoes

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 12:10

Thanks for your welcome Alan - glad that you enjoyed reading my webpage and the Outpost articles

Between 1985 and 1995 I contributed to the Crewe Advertiser and Chester & District Standard.

In 1995 the pit exit moved down to Old Hall and that became my new "home". It gave me a much better view of the first corner action but meant I missed out on all the news and gossip in the pitlane.

Things move on, the pit wall is much higher so it would be impossible to see the track from there nowadays. One of the Champion of Oulton guys, Peter Kay, had a shop fitting business and built me a superb grandstand circa 1990 so I could see over the barriers. It was on wheels and was kept in one of the garages when not in use. Alas it was stolen one winter.

At the time Phil's photo was taken I had the scrutineering bay and medical centre in the paddock directly behind me so anyone who was anyone tended to walk past. Very little happened in those days that I didn't know about!

Nowadays the internet has opened up more avenues of communications for me than ever. Researching and compiling those Outpost articles has been great.

#221 Phil Rainford

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 14:45

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fasttoes

At the time Phil's photo was taken I had the scrutineering bay and medical centre in the paddock directly behind me so anyone who was anyone tended to walk past. Very little happened in those days that I didn't know about!



Indeed Dave, you were always in position ready and waiting for the first race when I used to rush past you
on the way down to Old Hall struggling to find a film for my camera or a pen and notebook!!

I should have learnt over the years not to enjoy such a leisurely lunch in the Red Lion ;)

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#222 Phil Rainford

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 16:46

I posted this picture of Dr Mark Ashworth on another thread at the weekend:

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It suddenly reminded me of the Memorial that can be found between Druids and Lodge.......does anyone know if it was part of the Hall or was erected after the fire?

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#223 MCS

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 17:14

The Egerton Memorial, Phil.

"Sir Philip Grey Egerton, the 12th baronet, enjoyed life on a grand scale at Oulton Hall at the turn of the 20th century. Lavish banquets and game shoots -were the order of the day. But tragedy was to mar this. First, his twin sons were killed in action during World War 1; secondly, in 1926, six lives were lost when Oulton Hall was burnt out. Even four fire brigades could not cope and, despite brave rescue attempts, many great works of art were destroyed."

#224 Phil Rainford

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 17:20

Many thanks :up:

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 01:36

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Following on from the recent Frank Hall thread, the names of some of Frank's successors in the role of press officer came to mind. Does anyone else remember Malcolm Carnegie, and the late Mike Sapio who, I think, worked for a Wrexham Ford dealer and who succumbed to cancer at a very young age. I think Malcolm continued covering bike meetings but then disappeared from the scene. Both very decent blokes - not forgetting "pressman", of course!


Small world Alan! Yes, I remember Malcolm Carnegie - he and I worked together at the National Computing Centre, Manchester, in the 80s and early 90s. Malcolm was a very talented techie who also had a good business head, and I was a technophobic marketeer surrounded by boffins. :confused: :confused:

We were thrown together through work a few times and eventually we realised that we had motor sport in common, although I recall his interest was fairly recent. As you say, he was involved with the press box with Paul Pickup. I met up with Malcolm a few times above the pits, and also met Paul and Rex. Rex was delighted when I brought him a handful of sew on badges I had acquired from a visit to Watkins Glen, although I'm not sure he had any room for them by then!

Malcolm lived right in the middle of Little Budworth, and I recall he was a bit of a biker. He developed an interest in falconry too. I last bumped into him in Stockton Heath about six years ago, maybe longer. He was still in IT but not with NCC, our old company. I recall he spent some time in Paris. I wonder is he still living in the village?

Enjoyed your website, fasttoes Dave - I'm sure you'll find us a friendly and welcoming bunch at the TNF NW meetings...I did when I came along. :up:

Rob :wave:

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 10:35

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
I posted this picture of Dr Mark Ashworth on another thread at the weekend:

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It suddenly reminded me of the Memorial that can be found between Druids and Lodge.......does anyone know if it was part of the Hall or was erected after the fire?

Kind regards

Phil


Phil

The monument was erected to John Francis Egerton, who met his end during the Sikh Wars of 1845.

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#227 Ian Smith - Diz

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 15:47

Originally posted by Alan Cox
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It's Neville Hay with the microphone, but how many of you recognise the chap on the left?

As SA correctly states, it was Rex Foster.
For a bonus point for me, the bloke second left - looking the other way - was a long time marshal called Peter Beswick, now sadly no longer with us.

#228 Alan Cox

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:28

Well done, Ian. I recognised him as a very familiar face, but, to my shame, never knew his name.

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:36

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Well done, Ian. I recognised him as a very familiar face, but, to my shame, never knew his name.


A lot of this thread has been putting names to faces :)

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:46

Originally posted by alansart
A lot of this thread has been putting names to faces :)

...but very little about the Oulton Park Scoreboard :lol:

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:50

Originally posted by David McKinney

...but very little about the Oulton Park Scoreboard :lol:


True.. but it's still very interesting :)

#232 Sharman

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 19:46

Originally posted by Ian Smith - Diz
As SA correctly states, it was Rex Foster.
For a bonus point for me, the bloke second left - looking the other way - was a long time marshal called Peter Beswick, now sadly no longer with us.


On another thread somewhere I told about Peter going for a pee by the lake out at Island and rushing back in a panic very much on display, he had happened across a knot of mating grass snakes. A comment was made at the time the he needn't worry the snakes were not going to feel overshadowed.

#233 Ian Smith - Diz

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 23:55

Originally posted by Sharman


On another thread somewhere I told about Peter going for a pee by the lake out at Island and rushing back in a panic very much on display, he had happened across a knot of mating grass snakes. A comment was made at the time the he needn't worry the snakes were not going to feel overshadowed.

On the subject of grass snakes and Oulton, I'm sure this is true, but I was at Aintree that day in 1975 - running a Formula Three race in opposition to the might of John Webb and co. But that's another tale.
The father of a driver who got to F1 was racing a Formula Ford and failed to stop at Lodge and broke his ankles. The cause being a grass snake being scooped into the footwell of his car during a grassy moment a corner or so earlier. Said snake got tangled round the stem of the brake pedal, stopping it actuating the brakes - hence limited retardation at Lodge.
Bonus point for naming the driver, two points for the make and model of car.

Still nothing to do with the scoreboard though, but maybe it was slightly, cos if said driver had been in the top six, he number would have been removed on the following lap.

#234 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 15:54

Originally posted by Ian Smith - Diz
On the subject of grass snakes and Oulton, I'm sure this is true, but I was at Aintree that day in 1975 - running a Formula Three race in opposition to the might of John Webb and co. But that's another tale.
The father of a driver who got to F1 was racing a Formula Ford and failed to stop at Lodge and broke his ankles. The cause being a grass snake being scooped into the footwell of his car during a grassy moment a corner or so earlier. Said snake got tangled round the stem of the brake pedal, stopping it actuating the brakes - hence limited retardation at Lodge.
Bonus point for naming the driver, two points for the make and model of car.

Still nothing to do with the scoreboard though, but maybe it was slightly, cos if said driver had been in the top six, he number would have been removed on the following lap.



I was at Lodge and witnessed the incident. I can still picture the snake being removed from the car by a rather hesitant marshal…….

I was standing next to Mr Arron and he has already alluded to this incident in a previous post. So I won’t steal his thunder, rather let him describe the incident on his return from Barcelona.

Did you notice his article on Oulton in this week’s Motorsport News included the word “crepuscular”, he obviously swallowed a Dictionary at some point since he left the North West ;)

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#235 Simon Arron

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 05:44

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
Did you notice his article on Oulton in this week’s Motorsport News included the word “crepuscular”, he obviously swallowed a dictionary at some point since he left the North-West ;)

Actually, the word I used was "post-crepuscular"...

Driver was Keith Wilson, father of Justin and Stefan, and the car was a Jamun (a T5, I think). I have discussed the incident with Keith (a top bloke, who is still based in Sheffield) several times - he seemed mildly bemused that I actually witnessed the incident. He sustained leg injuries that kept him off work for a year, left him with a permanent limp and ended his racing career.

Justin's career began injuriously, too, albeit rather less dramatically: he broke a wrist when he stuffed a Formula Vauxhall Junior at Brands Hatch...

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 06:58

A little OT, but maybe related. My first visit to Croft this weekend and, shock horror, another link with the past has disappeared! :(

The old 'media centre' bus has been replaced with a modern brick-built monstrosity with a glass top.

The best quote of the day came from a marshall - "They should have painted it green with a yellow stripe, for old times sake" :up:

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#237 Stephen W

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 08:46

Originally posted by Rob Ryder
A little OT, but maybe related. My first visit to Croft this weekend and, shock horror, another link with the past has disappeared! :(

The old 'media centre' bus has been replaced with a modern brick-built monstrosity with a glass top.

The best quote of the day came from a marshall - "They should have painted it green with a yellow stripe, for old times sake" :up:

Rob


Good heavens Rob, the bus went to the Knacker's Yard years ago. The "modern brick-built monstrosity" has been there for some time. What I find rather odd is that there is no resturant/cafe at Croft unlike most permanent circuits. Mind you the bacon butties from the caravan are scrummy!

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#238 Rob Ryder

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 15:27

Originally posted by Stephen W


Good heavens Rob, the bus went to the Knacker's Yard years ago. The "modern brick-built monstrosity" has been there for some time. What I find rather odd is that there is no resturant/cafe at Croft unlike most permanent circuits. Mind you the bacon butties from the caravan are scrummy!

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Sorry Stephen, but the new 'media/commentary centre' was built over this past winter.. the bus being much in evidence for race commentary all last season. No restaurant as such, but there is a permanent cafe in the pits complex, close to race control.

Posted Image May 2007 BARC meeting
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I first noticed the scaffolding when MotorsTV televised the rallycross in January or February.
Rob (a Croft regular)

#239 Stephen W

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 18:30

Originally posted by Rob Ryder

Sorry Stephen, but the new 'media/commentary centre' was built over this past winter.. the bus being much in evidence for race commentary all last season. No restaurant as such, but there is a permanent cafe in the pits complex, close to race control.

Posted Image May 2007 BARC meeting
Posted Image June 2007 BTCC Meeting
Posted Image This weekend's F3 meeting


I first noticed the scaffolding when MotorsTV televised the rallycross in January or February.
Rob (a Croft regular)


On all the Easter trips to Croft I haven't spotted the Bus - maybe it was parked off site when not in use?

The "media/commentary centre" was still being built at Easter and we were still using the one within Race Control.

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#240 Marcus Simmons

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:54

Originally posted by Simon Arron

Justin's career began injuriously, too, albeit rather less dramatically: he broke a wrist when he stuffed a Formula Vauxhall Junior at Brands Hatch...


Simon, it was a Formula First from the Brands racing school actually, and he was just having a recce of the Brands circuit (and tyre walls). The injury did cause him to miss the first couple of FVJ races. But now I've opposite-locked massively away from the thread topic...

#241 alansart

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 17:24

The Scoreboard in the 60's

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Not mine, but one that was plucked from another thread.

I'm heading off to Oulton next weekend to watch the Formula Fords. I much preferred it when the Paddock had all that grass!

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 18:31

Originally posted by alansart
The Scoreboard in the 60's


Great photo Alan! Just took me back forty odd years. Well, not all of them odd. :

Yes, today's facilities are Oulton are very different and of a high standard I'd say, but that grass paddock, the pits and the scoreboard look great.

I used to like the little stand at Lodge too, and the bridge and grandstand on the start/finish main straight.

I must get that Oulton Park in the 60s book, birthday coming up soon...

Rob :wave:
PS like on many days I spent at Oulton, that sky has some threatening grey clouds!

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 21:17

Originally posted by alansart
The Scoreboard in the 60's

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Not mine, but one that was plucked from another thread.

I'm heading off to Oulton next weekend to watch the Formula Fords. I much preferred it when the Paddock had all that grass!


Great photo....ex works Le Mans Spitfire? Great cars from the period :up: Richard Lloyd :cry: started his career in something similar, a green drophead with lovely tech-dells, often seen at Brands.

#244 Phil Rainford

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Posted 09 May 2008 - 16:48

In this month's "Motor Sport"...June edition, there is a super shot taken from the inside of Lodge of Jochen Rindt in a Brabham BT10 with the Lodge Gates bathed in sunshine :up:

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 07:39

Many of the big old trees at Oulton have been taken down as they've suffered in the storms over the last few years.

At least some have not gone to waste.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 08:38

Thanks for posting that Alan, that's superb!!

#247 Lifew12

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 08:41

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
In this month's "Motor Sport"...June edition, there is a super shot taken from the inside of Lodge of Jochen Rindt in a Brabham BT10 with the Lodge Gates bathed in sunshine :up:

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Indeed, a great shot, and a view that takes me back to my childhood.

#248 Phil Rainford

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 11:51

Originally posted by alansart
Many of the big old trees at Oulton have been taken down as they've suffered in the storms over the last few years.

At least some have not gone to waste.

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Take it these two cars are from a BARC run Championship :rolleyes: ( Sorry )

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#249 David Beard

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 12:07

Originally posted by alansart

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Marcos or Protos prototypes?

#250 Stephen W

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 12:48

Originally posted by David Beard


Marcos or Protos prototypes?


I thought they were the Chippenham Special and the Loxley Lozenge which both had Rootes superchargers and leaf springs!

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