The third B.R.M (Bruce Johnstone)
#1
Posted 29 November 2007 - 16:34
If my memory is correct, can anyone tell me if the car he drove later at the South African Grand Prix (apparently a different chassis) had any distinguishing colours on it?
And before anyone leaps upon me, I HAVE searched but cannot find any references.
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#2
Posted 29 November 2007 - 16:53
#3
Posted 29 November 2007 - 17:09
#4
Posted 29 November 2007 - 17:20
At Oulton, it was chassis 5785, while at East London it was 571. DCN doesn't refer to any unusual livery at the SA GP, whereas he does at Oulton Park.
#5
Posted 29 November 2007 - 17:43
#6
Posted 29 November 2007 - 17:47
#7
Posted 29 November 2007 - 19:12
(Picked up on the internet circa 2003 : copyright unknown : will remove if requested)
Rob
#8
Posted 29 November 2007 - 20:01
And thanks too to Bjørn for the information supplied; definitely plain green at East London.
I see some design on the helmet in Rob's picture......
#9
Posted 29 November 2007 - 20:19
#10
Posted 29 November 2007 - 20:22
#11
Posted 29 November 2007 - 23:01
#13
Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:31
#14
Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:51
Paul M
#15
Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:11
Its nose band was a different design from that used on Tony Marsh's cars. Tony's nose band swept back to a point on top of the nose panel.
I'd have thought that due to Bruce's South African connections orange would indeed have been an apporpriate colour - as later adopted by BRM due to orange being the house colour of the owning Rubery Owen group. But I have seen no evidence that the band on Bruce's car at Oulton was other than white.
Ernest Owen - Sir Alfred Owen's younger brother - developed a real bee in his bonnet about BRM using the company house colour, and he wanted their drab green replaced by Rubery Owen's overall orange.
Tony Rudd managed to stave him off by explaining that orange was the Dutch national racing livery. Ernest was dubious, concluding that Rudd was trying to pull a fast one. Ultimately Tony managed to convince him that was why De Beaufort's Porsche was orange. A compromise was then reached with the disappointed Ernest, whereby the cars remained green but adopted the dayglo orange nose bands, and the mechanics wore bright orange overalls (instead of usually grubby oil-soaked 'white' or blue as previously).
DCN
#16
Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:32
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Tony Rudd was very much opposed to running a car AT ALL for Bruce Johnstone, who really ended up with the rough end of the stick. The young man also failed to endear himself to the Bourne mafia due to his habit of charging around Lincolnshire in a Ford Anglia with his crash helmet and driving gloves on the rear parcels shelf. Peter Berthon and Raymond Mays had brought him to Bourne, but there was no job for him to do there. Ultimately he was provided with a car for the Oulton Park Gold Cup "as long as he didn't bother the team".
Its nose band was a different design from that used on Tony Marsh's cars. Tony's nose band swept back to a point on top of the nose panel.
I'd have thought that due to Bruce's South African connections orange would indeed have been an apporpriate colour - as later adopted by BRM due to orange being the house colour of the owning Rubery Owen group. But I have seen no evidence that the band on Bruce's car at Oulton was other than white.
Ernest Owen - Sir Alfred Owen's younger brother - developed a real bee in his bonnet about BRM using the company house colour, and he wanted their drab green replaced by Rubery Owen's overall orange.
Tony Rudd managed to stave him off by explaining that orange was the Dutch national racing livery. Ernest was dubious, concluding that Rudd was trying to pull a fast one. Ultimately Tony managed to convince him that was why De Beaufort's Porsche was orange. A compromise was then reached with the disappointed Ernest, whereby the cars remained green but adopted the dayglo orange nose bands, and the mechanics wore bright orange overalls (instead of usually grubby oil-soaked 'white' or blue as previously).
DCN
Possibly the 'white nose band' was applied to differentiate it from the 'works' cars as Tony Rudd was so opposed to Johnstone driving for them?
#17
Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:40
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Its nose band was a different design from that used on Tony Marsh's cars. Tony's nose band swept back to a point on top of the nose panel.
In Vol 2 of your book, Doug, the photo on page 183 shows that the band swept back to a central point on the nose panel, too.
Hieronymus, that's the first photo I've ever seen of Johnstone in the SA GP. Thank you for that.
#18
Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:54
#19
Posted 30 November 2007 - 10:59
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#20
Posted 30 November 2007 - 21:41
DCN
#21
Posted 03 March 2008 - 17:04
It never happened but I wonder what was the story behind it and why did Masten not get a ride?
Someone with B.R.M Volume 1 (or 2) please step forward.
#22
Posted 03 March 2008 - 17:31
(source: DCN Vol 1)
#23
Posted 03 March 2008 - 18:06
#24
Posted 26 February 2011 - 12:18
"
1. I was employed by Berthon & Mays
2. I arrived at BRM in 1962 by when they had been removed.
3. Budget cut, Tony Rudd appointed manager
4. Hill was major contender for World Championship
5. Ginther crashed a few cars!
6. Politically I was nieve, BP had supported me, BRM were Shell contracted
7. Thank Heavens for Ian Walker
Short story."
Could someone please tell me what nieve means?
#25
Posted 26 February 2011 - 12:35
#26
Posted 26 February 2011 - 13:35
DCN