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#1051 exclubracer

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 22:34

I'm sure he worked on them later.....anyway, good pic there :up:


now, now, no handbags at 5 paces please... :p

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#1052 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 22:46

and I thought Manx Norton owners were a bit snooty Mick :wave:

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 22:57

and I thought Manx Norton owners were a bit snooty Mick :wave:



No offence meant David.
Mayby Danish humor is even dryer than the British?

#1054 HEMEYLA

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 22:59

On Jan Huberts his Kreidler 1973.

#1055 exclubracer

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 23:10

and I thought Manx Norton owners were a bit snooty Mick :wave:


Nobody needs to be snooty in the motorcycle racing game David IMHO.

At all levels of the finest of all sports there is a kinship and a joint desire to reminisce about days of yore and what we could have done or would like to have done.

I am always proud to have participated, even at the most basic level, and I am grateful and proud to be able to communicate with all the guys on this forum who have contributed to the sport in whatever way.

I always feel like I am amongst friends here, although I have met very few of you.

Brilliant. :up:

Edited by exclubracer, 11 May 2010 - 23:15.


#1056 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 00:16

Nobody needs to be snooty in the motorcycle racing game David IMHO.

At all levels of the finest of all sports there is a kinship and a joint desire to reminisce about days of yore and what we could have done or would like to have done.

I am always proud to have participated, even at the most basic level, and I am grateful and proud to be able to communicate with all the guys on this forum who have contributed to the sport in whatever way.

I always feel like I am amongst friends here, although I have met very few of you.

Brilliant. :up:



Hey that was a good one...loved it so much I started a new thread :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Moi offended? pull the other one :up: :up: :up:




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#1057 roadshop

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 00:38

Hey that was a good one...loved it so much I started a new thread :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Moi offended? pull the other one :up: :up: :up:




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No brisitch humoar then, OK!

#1058 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 00:46

Oh I think so Poul.... :wave:

#1059 50cc racer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 05:37

Hi Anders!

Looks like David Dixon, a motorcycle journalist from the seventies?

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David Dixon it is :up:

How about this? :

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#1060 Herr Wankel

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:55

[quote name='50cc racer' date='May 12 2010, 07:37' post='4339739']
David Dixon it is :up:

How about this? :

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Built in 1977 in Spain,15BHP,Campag wheels/brakes,could it be Alguasari on it?
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#1061 50cc racer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 18:16

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Built in 1977 in Spain,15BHP,Campag wheels/brakes,could it be Alguasari on it?
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You got it half- right :cool: The Alfa Lambretta team was Spanish, The racebike, delivered from Francesco Villa (built by Claudio Lusuardi?), has Brembo brakes, Campagnolo wheels, and a fifteen horsepower engine. One of the young team drivers is driving, but the article about the Alfa Lambretta team was made by José Alguersuari. :up:

For comparison a picture of another Villa:

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#1062 T54

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 20:57

This Villa is very similar to the one I raced in California in the mid-1970s... it was very fast and remarkably reliable. Thanks German gods for Nikasil, F.A.G. celron-cage bearings and Mahle pistons... :)

#1063 roadshop

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:42

What´s the story about Lambretta´s involment then?

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 12:04

Did he ride for Boyers of Bromley?


That was Dave Nixon.

NOT the magician, either... :p


#1065 exclubracer

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 13:06

That was Dave Nixon.

NOT the magician, either... :p


Ah, of course, thanks Glenn :blush:

Yes, Dave Nixon and Peter Butler rode for Boyers.

It's my age.

#1066 50cc racer

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 15:32

What´s the story about Lambretta´s involment then?

Poul Erik


Hi Poul Erik :wave:

The Alfa Lambretta team leader had a Lambretta dealership in Barcelona.

Any news from the Aarhus classic?



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#1067 50cc racer

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 15:40

What?

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#1068 roadshop

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 18:04

What?

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Hi
Looks like a Kreidler engine in a Guazzoni frame.
About AACR I will give you call Anders.
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 21:20

What?

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It's a 125 ccm racer, build in Italy by a German engineer.

Only red tape available there. :smoking:

Edited by HEMEYLA, 13 May 2010 - 21:23.


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Posted 14 May 2010 - 22:00

It's a 125 ccm racer, build in Italy by a German engineer.

Only red tape available there. :smoking:



Jorg Müller?

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 18:35

It's a 125 ccm racer, build in Italy by a German engineer.

Only red tape available there. :smoking:


A 125! Then my interest detoriates quickly :well:
Maybe Peter Dürr of DRS fame?



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#1072 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 01:45

:)

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 15:36

A 125! Then my interest detoriates quickly :well:
Maybe Peter Dürr of DRS fame?



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!25cc isn´t that big.
So, I´m still curius!
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Posted 18 May 2010 - 15:37

Can any of you guys give me any tips concerning seat position and size? At the moment I've got the bum-stop in line with the rear wheel spindle, and most of my lower body weight will be over the suspension units. Is there any advantage in having a seat slightly longer to allow a shift in body weight - forward or backwards? My '60s-era chassis has a wheelbase of only 1143mm (45"). Any other advice would be helpful. Thank you.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 20:55

Can any of you guys give me any tips concerning seat position and size? At the moment I've got the bum-stop in line with the rear wheel spindle, and most of my lower body weight will be over the suspension units. Is there any advantage in having a seat slightly longer to allow a shift in body weight - forward or backwards? My '60s-era chassis has a wheelbase of only 1143mm (45"). Any other advice would be helpful. Thank you.


On a fifty You should go for best aerodynamics - so its all about elbow- knee relationship: If your elbows interfere with your knees, move the seat rearwards!
Clip- ons with a more downward angle will move you a little forward.

Some do make a BIG thing out of the seating position: :rotfl:

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#1076 HEMEYLA

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 00:04

A 125! Then my interest detoriates quickly :well:
Maybe Peter Dürr of DRS fame?



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Right, designed by Peter Dürr at ........... visit the museum ............... click.



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Posted 19 May 2010 - 05:42

On a fifty You should go for best aerodynamics - so its all about elbow- knee relationship: If your elbows interfere with your knees, move the seat rearwards!
Clip- ons with a more downward angle will move you a little forward.

Some do make a BIG thing out of the seating position: :rotfl:

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Elbow/knee relationship - good point! Thank you for that.


#1078 HEMEYLA

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 08:02

Elbow/knee relationship - good point! Thank you for that.


:smoking:

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#1079 exclubracer

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 09:40

You can't get much more tucked-in than that!! :up:

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#1080 50cc racer

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 20:06

You can't get much more tucked-in than that!! :up:


Very stylish Ton, and I know You are still exercising :lol:

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 19:13

Those bell-bottom jeans are not very aerodynamic... :)

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 15:23

Hey 50cc Racer

I have a photo of the start of the 50cc race at Hockenheim in 1960.

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I don't know the rider's name but it seems to me that Number 11 (Florett) is the same guy you showed in your photo but maybe on a different date.


Cheers

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I just received an email from Mr. Rolf Bühler that number 28 indeed is his father on a 4-stroke 50cc Ceccato. It was a 75cc production racer converted to 50cc by a short stroke crank shaft.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 16:24

I just received an email from Mr. Rolf Bühler that number 28 indeed is his father on a 4-stroke 50cc Ceccato. It was a 75cc production racer converted to 50cc by a short stroke crank shaft.
Henk


Nice going Henk :up:
I wonder how the Ceccato placed in the race/ championship?

This guy went on to build a bigger bike ?

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#1084 roadshop

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 17:40

Nice going Henk :up:
I wonder how the Ceccato placed in the race/ championship?

This guy went on to build a bigger bike ?

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Jos Schurgers, builder of the Bridgestone based Condor 125cc twin racer?
Now you are bringing big bikes onto the thread yourself Anders..ha..ha!!!???

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 18:08

Jos Schurgers, builder of the Bridgestone based Condor 125cc twin racer?
Now you are bringing big bikes onto the thread yourself Anders..ha..ha!!!???

Poul Erik



Well Poul Erik, I am building a bigger bike myself!
And I do believe more than 50% of the parts used on Schurgers special, were of a 50cc machine :p



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#1086 50cc racer

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 18:50

When was the last time You saw one of these?

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Seen any up for sale recently?



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#1087 Herr Wankel

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 20:44

When was the last time You saw one of these?

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Seen any up for sale recently?



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Britax,wasn't it actually a Motom?
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 21:00

Britax,wasn't it actually a Motom?
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Must be an early bird as full fairings were banned in 57-58.
Do look like the bottom of a Motom-engine.
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 18:34

Jos Schurgers, builder of the Bridgestone based Condor 125cc twin racer?
Now you are bringing big bikes onto the thread yourself Anders..ha..ha!!!???

Poul Erik


The Condor 125cc racer has nothing from Bridgestone, it's completely build from scratch by Henk van Kessel & co.

Schurgers Bridgestone is based on a 175cc road engine, with Hoeckle crankshaft, Van Veen cylinders and Hemeyla gearbox.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 18:45

Britax,wasn't it actually a Motom?
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Britax-Ducati ....... Click.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:16

Just wanted to say Hi! I was introduced to this site by my nephew who had seen my name in this thread. Having read it from beginning to end there are a few things I would like to comment on. However, the topics are well out of date by now and may no longer be of interest to anyone. :wave: Anyway, I really enjoyed reading about the old days..hope I haven't missed it all.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:26

Just wanted to say Hi! I was introduced to this site by my nephew who had seen my name in this thread. Having read it from beginning to end there are a few things I would like to comment on. However, the topics are well out of date by now and may no longer be of interest to anyone. :wave: Anyway, I really enjoyed reading about the old days..hope I haven't missed it all.



Hi , and welcome to the forum , please , your comments and tales would be very interesting :rolleyes: , please post away , with piccies as well if possible , then we can all share your experiences and enjoy the results :up: :wave: !!!!!




#1093 Herr Wankel

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 12:45

Hi , and welcome to the forum , please , your comments and tales would be very interesting :rolleyes: , please post away , with piccies as well if possible , then we can all share your experiences and enjoy the results :up: :wave: !!!!!

Hi Xover,
Don't worry about things being a bit out of date,we are (nearly all) that way on here :rotfl: :rotfl: :up:
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 14:56

Hi Xover,
Don't worry about things being a bit out of date,we are (nearly all) that way on here :rotfl: :rotfl: :up:
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Specially after a few glasses of Merlot , eh , HW :drunk: :drunk: ??


#1095 Herr Wankel

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 15:20

Specially after a few glasses of Merlot , eh , HW :drunk: :drunk: ??

Makes no difference to me these days mate.I'm a lost cause :lol: Sometimes make more sense after a few scoops :stoned:
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 15:28

Makes no difference to me these days mate.I'm a lost cause :lol: Sometimes make more sense after a few scoops :stoned:
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Think I resemble your remarks , HW :eek: :blush: :drunk:


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 16:29

The facts aren't always right :eek: you may notice so it's a process of adding to the threads there Xover, welcome :up: :up: :up: :wave:



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Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:44

The facts aren't always right :eek: you may notice so it's a process of adding to the threads there Xover, welcome :up: :up: :up: :wave:



David

Thanks to all for such a warm welcome. I have to log on at work so I'll try to fit in a few posts whenever possible and if I can figure out how to upload pics (sounds quite daunting) I'll have a go at that too.
Merlot...my goodness me. Here in Indonesia one has to take out a mortgage on such luxuries.

#1099 Herr Wankel

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 08:36

Thanks to all for such a warm welcome. I have to log on at work so I'll try to fit in a few posts whenever possible and if I can figure out how to upload pics (sounds quite daunting) I'll have a go at that too.
Merlot...my goodness me. Here in Indonesia one has to take out a mortgage on such luxuries.

Same here mate.1€ a litre!!!!!! :evil: :stoned: :rotfl:
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 11:15

Same here mate.1€ a litre!!!!!! :evil: :stoned: :rotfl:
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Oh please!!! I came here after living in Spain for eight years....some sacrifices just have to be made. Anyway some way back...can't remember where on the thread...there is a nice picture of George Ashton sitting astride a Bultaco. The bike used to belong to Ken Martin and at the end of the 1965 season I bought it from George. We agreed a price over the phone and I went down to London (from Manchester) on the train, swapped the bike for some pound notes at Euston and brought it back on the next train. We later rode together for the Agrati Garelli team. More later...