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#251 Cédric Foliot

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 10:30

The race was 15 july 1962 and a worldchampionship race.
With official HONDA,SUZUKI,KREIDLER,DERBI,TOMOS.
About 30 riders on the start:
Degner,Anscheidt,Itoh,Taveri,Suzuki,Ichino,Robb,Huberts,Shorey,Bernetic,Piciga,Ramiro,Roca,Kunz,
Gedlich,Thurow,...

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#252 Russell Burrows

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 10:33

Originally posted by Cédric Foliot
The race was 15 july 1962 and a worldchampionship race.
With official HONDA,SUZUKI,KREIDLER,DERBI,TOMOS.
About 30 riders on the start:
Degner,Anscheidt,Itoh,Taveri,Suzuki,Ichino,Robb,Huberts,Shorey,Bernetic,Piciga,Ramiro,Roca,Kunz,
Gedlich,Thurow,...


'Banbury Dan' Shorey on a Kriedler?

#253 Cédric Foliot

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 15:44

Yes,Dan Shorey on a Kreidler who finish 9th place

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 17:55

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#255 50cc racer

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 18:41

Then this picture, Kreidlerteam at Nürburgring 1962, must be from a national- race or european championship?

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Yes, Dan Shorey drove works- Kreidler in 62:

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Dan Shorey and Dutchman Jan Huberts, IoM TT.
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Start of the TT
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And here at Monza same year.

Theres a long list of drivers from the UK, that drove for the Kreidler- team - who?


:wave: Welcome to Cédric - Now we got both T54 and Cédric present I´m sure we got the Derbi- issue covered here :rotfl:


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#256 Russell Burrows

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 18:57

Didn't Sheene have a dabble? Or was that a Derbi? Who else.......? Ol' Dan was a bit too big for 50's I think?

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 20:40

Barry Sheene 71 Kreidler VanVeen - anyone else ?

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 00:43

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#259 Herr Wankel

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 16:47

Originally posted by Russell Burrows
Didn't Sheene have a dabble? Or was that a Derbi? Who else.......? Ol' Dan was a bit too big for 50's I think?

Bazzer did ride Derbi,but not sure if it was on 50s though.He did a an outing on the (Derbi) 250 twin I recall.
Didn't Sarrinen have a go on a Van Veen also.Saw Jan de Vries at Spa a couple of years ago on his.Absolutely Amazing.
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#260 Herr Wankel

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 18:13

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Ever kicked yourself for parting with something special?
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#261 Cédric Foliot

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 19:17

Maybe it's a Moto-Guzzi for record tentative ? 50 or 65cc

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 22:55

Originally posted by Cédric Foliot
Maybe it's a Moto-Guzzi for record tentative ? 50 or 65cc


Spot on Cédric :clap:
The picture came with following description: Raffaele-Alberti 49 guzzi - but can someone tell the year of this event - it was obviously before the use of proper exhausts!

In 1971 Jarno Saarinen was hired in, to take points away from Nieto, helping Jan deVries and VanVeen taking the title.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 00:31

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 00:45

Jarno Saarinen :cry:

Monza GP 1971, on Jos Schurgers Van Veen Kreidler.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 07:57

1948! - That sure was some time ago! Great picture :)

Looks like Parlotti, but what about the bike ?

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#266 Russell Burrows

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 09:20

Originally posted by 50cc racer
1948! - That sure was some time ago! Great picture :)

Looks like Parlotti, but what about the bike ?

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For me it was yesterday! Didn't he ride for Morbidelli, so....?

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:45

I thought it was a Morbidelli too, then I spotted that rear- swingarm!
That doesn´t look right - very Kreidler like ???



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#268 Herr Wankel

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 21:07

Parlotti rode Tomos in '69 & '70.Derbi in '71

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#269 Cédric Foliot

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 08:04

I know Parlotti ride for MORBIDELLI with the first 125cc single cylinder.
So maybe it's a 125 MORBIDELLI,photo taken Salzburg 1971during practice ?

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 12:41

It looks like only 1 expansion exhaust underneath though,so I think its a single cylinder(Morbidelli were twins?)and very skinny tyres,so I reckon it must be a 50cc

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 18:42

You're right ,I made a mistake Morbidelli 125 was twin cylinder
On the photo we can see a radiator so engine is liquid cooled.
Other detail it seems to be the carburator on the right side.
An other thing about the rider may be Parlotti but be careful there was also an other rider TOMOS with exactly the same helmet

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 19:48

Maserati made a 50cc racer - anyone raced one?

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 20:06

wasn't jarno's wife gorgeus :blush: her name was soliel or near that wasn't it?

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 20:22

Hi Cedric,
Was the other Tomos rider Rinaudo,also an Italian
Renzo your right mate,stunning

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 00:43

Originally posted by 50cc racer

Looks like Parlotti, but what about the bike ?

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Looks like Aldo Pero.

d’Ospedaletti 1971, 125cc, Aldo Pero, Piercado Cipriani, Luigi Tondo and Etienne Delamarre.

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 00:53

Originally posted by 50cc racer
Then this picture, Kreidlerteam at Nürburgring 1962, must be from a national- race or european championship?

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International Eiffelrennen Nürburgring Südsleife 29-04-1962.

Wolfgang Gedlich (+), Hans-Georg Anscheidt, Jan Huberts and Rudolf Kunz (+).

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 09:36

Originally posted by 50cc racer
1948! - That sure was some time ago! Great picture :)

Looks like Parlotti, but what about the bike ?

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Hi all, this picture appears in a fantastic pocket size book looking back at the 1972 & 1973 race seasons, the picture is attributed to the 1973 Austrian GP at Salzburgring, there was no 50cc GP there that year, but there was a 125GP.
Back to the book, the English title is a misleading, "Motor cycle Racing Guide 1974" it is a Swiss published book, by SIL Sports Book Edition, Chief editor Jurg Dubler, its cramed with hundreds of colour pictures race results and circuit diagrams etc, it will be long out of print now but if you come across one on ebay or a used book shop GET IT!!! its superb.
Cheers,
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Posted 15 May 2008 - 20:53

OK with you about the rider Aldo Pero
the place Salzburg 1973

and the bike ?
for me since the start it's not a 50cc but a 125cc
The front tyre seems to be very triangular for a rr6.

Aldo Pero race with a Yamaha in 1973 (but 2 cylinders) and a Carem in 1974.

So for me it's a MAICO 125rs (mono cylinder,carburator excentric on the right and see the carter's engine on the left it seems to be big like MAICO )
Maybe also on the photo we can see the selector systeme and also the chain on the right's bike.

This book is fantastic,I have one for sale if someone is interested,I'll be at Dijon in one week.


dedicace for my friends Etienne Delamarre,Jean-Louis Pasquier and Daniel Crivello who were at Ospedaletti 1971

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 21:36

Originally posted by renzo
wasn't jarno's wife gorgeus :blush: her name was soliel or near that wasn't it?


Soeli Saarinen, following Jarno's death she worked as a stewardess for Finnair for many years and I had the great pleasure of meeting her on a flight to Helsinki, a truly beautiful lady.

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 22:10

Originally posted by exclubracer


Soeli Saarinen, following Jarno's death she worked as a stewardess for Finnair for many years and I had the great pleasure of meeting her on a flight to Helsinki, a truly beautiful lady.



lucky sod ;)

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 07:10

:wave: To post 254 , 11th R.Piciga (YU) Tomos , R.Avery , ret. Tomos as well as Gedlich Kreidler- Takahashi Honda - and Busquetz Derbi ?

To post 252 : Dan Shorey , works Kreidler : IOM 11th , D 9th , I 7th , DDR 6th ! Other entries ? :smoking:

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 19:47

...this picture appears in a fantastic pocket size book looking back at the 1972 & 1973 race seasons...


I am lucky to have one of these too, given to me years ago by my friend Christian Lacombe. The bike is indeed a Maico 125cc.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 21:38

And it looks like this :cool:

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Another brillant image from this book:

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 22:58

Yep, that's the one... :)
Fantastic source of info that allowed me to find out the little remembered fact that Bjorge Jansson won a GP aboard the works 250cc Derbi twin...

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 23:41

I seem to remember a K-I Carlson racing a Saab powered sidecar outfit in the '70s, is it the same guy? Swedish, I think. :confused:

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 23:43

#15 Börje Jansson before start of what should be his first win ever!

When, where, and whoelse ?

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 00:11

On his 125 Maico... Nice to see the two ex-works Suzuki together up front.

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 12:59

n°11
fuel tank looks like DERBI carreras-cliente

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 15:31

No doubt that there are 50's and 125's mixed in that pic, meaning that there must have been free practice for both?

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 15:43

No. 3 Leif Rosell, Suzuki 50cc. Here at Iisalmi Classic race parade 2006.

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 16:08

!!! The B&W picture confused me!
So this is what happened to some of those mysteriously re-appearing Suzukis... :)

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 18:04

Börje Jansson at Derbi.

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 18:10

Definitely the 1963-64 Carreras Cliente... with lots of seizures with the old Borgo pistons made from Spanish aluminum since Franco would not let imported alloy get in...
But they were quite fast and had a cool and usable 9HP. They had electronic ignition still retaining the flywheel from the stock mopeds and a very good 5-speed cluster.
Lotsa memories...

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 22:40

Congratulations to Alberto Ieva, celebrating his 62th birthday :

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Alberto Ieva @ Malanca 50cc @ Modena 1972

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 20:18

Originally posted by 50cc racer
[B]#15 Börje Jansson before start of what should be his first win ever!

When, where, and whoelse ?

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That was a tough one, and I had to seek a friends expert advice !
Göran Kähler, member of Golden 50cc Racing Riders, tells the story behind this picture:
1965 Ring Knutstorp - #2 and 3 Thosio Fujii and Leif Rosell - ex 64 works Suzukis on loan from Suzukis- Dutch headquarters. #15 Börje Jansson on Rosells Derbi, Sven Håkanson - HM- disc- valved Sachs, #11 Jørgen Nielsen - Derbi, #10 Björn Carlsson - ILO 3sp., Lasse Johansson - HM- Sachs, and Sigurd Forsell - Tomos D5S.

Result of this race: From a clear lead, the Suzukis collided, and Börje Jansson zoomed by to take the win. Rosell managed to restart and came in second, Sven Håkansson third. Fourth was Dane Jørgen Nielsen.

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 21:07

Göran Kähler´s beautiful Kreidler, a Swedish built special, at first housing a Sachs 5-speed and later modified for a brand new Kreidler RS 5- speed engine. Before the 1970 season, engine was taken to VanVeen headquarters, where a disc- valve conversion was made by Jos Schurgers. A very special bike with many handmade parts, including aluminum fuel tank and clutch/ brake- levers. :up:

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 21:23

No doubt that with the Suzies out and no "works" Kreidlers with rotary valve induction, the Derbi Carreras Cliente would clean the clock of everything else then... that is until the Kreidler RS and its racing variants appeared in 1968.

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 00:15

Dutch N.M.B. champion 1967 Henk van Kessel on his Hemeyla tuned Kreidler, his first racing year.

A shooting star, 50cc world champion 1974. :clap:

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 16:30

I always loved the Earles fork on the Kreidler. The works bike I drove for Leconte in France had a handling absolutely unmatched by the Derbis, and this on 17" Avon tires at a time when the Dunlop "triangular" was king!

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 05:43

When talking of front forks :

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