2nd British Race
#1
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:04
Given that the biggest F1 star of the moment is British surely we deserve a second GP. Come on Bernie, drop Magny Cours and hold a race at Brands or Donnington instead.
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#2
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:11
#3
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:18
#4
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:19
Nothing inexplicable about it. Monaco is not de facto or de iure part of France, it's a sovereign country in its own right, the fact that it's close to France is irrelevant and would rule Brands Hatch out as a British GP venue (I'd rather try to get there from Paris than anywhere north of Watford). Plus it's had a Grand Prix since 1929, longer than almost any other country...of course one it does not beat is the country that invented the thing in 1906. Perfectly explicable that F1 should pay homage to the history of motor sport.Originally posted by Dunc
France, inexplicably, still has two GPs if you include Monaco a de facto if not de jure part of France.
#5
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:25
Originally posted by president evil
I no doubt agree with you but the major hurdle is that Brands Hatch and Donington are not up to F1's stringent safety standards..
Utter bollocks. Donington is an accepted international status circuit. Brands I don't know about.
#6
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:30
Jp
#7
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:33
Originally posted by Lifew12
Utter bollocks. Donington is an accepted international status circuit. Brands I don't know about.
I'm fairly sure that Donnington does not meet the current F1 requirements. Brands certainly doesnt, plus the locals would complain about the noise.
#8
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:34
Originally posted by Clatter
I'm fairly sure that it does not meet the current F1 requirements.
It will by about April.
#9
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:35
Originally posted by Clatter
I'm fairly sure that Donnington does not meet the current F1 requirements. Brands certainly doesnt, plus the locals would complain about the noise.
It can't be worse than Monaco, which is only there for its history.
#10
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:40
#11
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:49
Originally posted by Lifew12
It will by about April.
Didnt realise they were bringing it up to spec. Any particular reason why they are doing the work?
#12
Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:50
Originally posted by F1Obsession
It can't be worse than Monaco, which is only there for its history.
If we took Monaco as the yardstick then no circuit would have to do any work on their tracks.
#13
Posted 04 February 2008 - 18:07
#14
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:13
Originally posted by Clatter
Didnt realise they were bringing it up to spec. Any particular reason why they are doing the work?
Donington's getting improvements so it can host more 'top billing' races - think MotoGP and WSBK for a start, keeping hold of them with upgrades. They had the pits re-done a couple of years ago now (even if there was numerous complaints from the LMS paddock about them), but it's all good. They got bought out last year and the new owners have promised to get more headline races involved. Would be good to see LMS, FIA GT, DTM, WTCC and F1 back at the Park though - F1 through Craner would be excellent to see again!
#15
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:32
Originally posted by F575 GTC
Donington's getting improvements so it can host more 'top billing' races - think MotoGP and WSBK for a start, keeping hold of them with upgrades. They had the pits re-done a couple of years ago now (even if there was numerous complaints from the LMS paddock about them), but it's all good. They got bought out last year and the new owners have promised to get more headline races involved. Would be good to see LMS, FIA GT, DTM, WTCC and F1 back at the Park though - F1 through Craner would be excellent to see again!
Thx for the info.
#16
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:43
#17
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:44
#18
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:44
Live Nation underlined its commitment to Donington Park's future in 2004 by investing £5 million in the venue, resurfacing the Grand Prix circuit and redeveloping the pits and paddock complex, which was formally opened in March 2006.
From the Donington Site. I know they've also pledged to re-do the Spitfire Momument too! Haven't been since the British GT's early last year so i don't know what else has been done, but according to the website a new Motorcross track was opened in September - I'd guess it's the one just near to the Start / Finish line but i could be wrong.
Lifew12 would know more about it than me though.
#19
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:47
After all, we've got couple of adequate drivers now, and in the past.
guess not.
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#20
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:49
Originally posted by robnyc
the general consensus I gather from reading these threads is that for the British fans the price $$$ to attend these races is toooo expensive. Before Lewis, Silverstone was hardly a sellout.
I've never been to the GP at Silverstone for the reasons you've mentioned - It's too expensive. Yet at the same time i'd be willing to spend the same amount of money, perhaps more, to see the cars race at Donington. Silverstone's a decent track, but for spectating value for money i'd go for Donington everytime. Watching the LMS cars around the Melbourne Loop was alot more exciting and worthwhile than watching them through the Complex at Silverstone.
#21
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:52
Originally posted by SkorbiF1
Pssst.. Could someone ask one for Finland also?
After all, we've got couple of adequate drivers now, and in the past.
guess not.
Perhaps you should ask those drivers to make the investment.;)
#22
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:54
Originally posted by SkorbiF1
Pssst.. Could someone ask one for Finland also?
After all, we've got couple of adequate drivers now, and in the past.
guess not.
In the 90s there was some discussion about Finnish GP. Some claimed they had connections to Bernie and good chances to make it happen. Unfortunately they faced the reality: with Bernie fee etc, it is practically impossible to organize an F1 race without huge losses. Govt handouts are the only way (this is the reason eg Bahrain has GP). Unfortunately, Finland is democracy. Alas...our govt decided not to fill Bernie´s pockets with taxpayers money.
#23
Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:56
Originally posted by F575 GTC
I've never been to the GP at Silverstone for the reasons you've mentioned - It's too expensive. Yet at the same time i'd be willing to spend the same amount of money, perhaps more, to see the cars race at Donington. Silverstone's a decent track, but for spectating value for money i'd go for Donington everytime. Watching the LMS cars around the Melbourne Loop was alot more exciting and worthwhile than watching them through the Complex at Silverstone.
It's certainly not cheap, but what would you say is a fair price for 3 days of entertainment? I know I've paid almost as much for around 2 hours at other sports and concert venues.
Have to say though that I've paid less each year for the last 3 years, and this seasons early booking offer was excellent value.
#24
Posted 04 February 2008 - 20:23
Originally posted by Clatter
It's certainly not cheap, but what would you say is a fair price for 3 days of entertainment?
The £25 for the three days of FIA GT's at Silverstone isn't bad! I'd most likely pay what they're asking for the F1 at Silverstone this year, it's just i'd sooner go and see them racing at Donington than Silverstone.
#25
Posted 04 February 2008 - 20:57
#26
Posted 04 February 2008 - 21:37
Originally posted by ensign14
Monaco is not de facto or de iure part of France, it's a sovereign country in its own right, the fact that it's close to France is irrelevant
I don't want to get too arsey about this but de jure Monaco is a sovereign country but de facto it is very much part of France. Hence why French residents don't get any special tax priviledges.
Could any other circuits be easily upgraded to meet F1 standards? A street race would be cool but please not in London. There are lots of other places in this country that sporting events could be held in, why does everything in British sport have to gravitate towards London.
#27
Posted 04 February 2008 - 21:46
Originally posted by Dunc
Could any other circuits be easily upgraded to meet F1 standards? A street race would be cool but please not in London. There are lots of other places in this country that sporting events could be held in, why does everything in British sport have to gravitate towards London.
I am personally holding out for the return of the Birmingham Superprix. With Nige back in the commentary box.
#28
Posted 04 February 2008 - 21:48
And anyway, Bernie's only obliged champions, so far. And Lewis ain't one.
Finland GP, here I come!
#29
Posted 04 February 2008 - 22:13
That's unfair. Look at places like Canada last year, someone was in the wall so they pace car-ed it for half-a-dozen laps. At Monaco it would have been winched out of the way pronto.Originally posted by Clatter
If we took Monaco as the yardstick then no circuit would have to do any work on their tracks.
#30
Posted 04 February 2008 - 22:42
Originally posted by Dunc
Given that the biggest F1 star of the moment is British surely we deserve a second GP. Come on Bernie, drop Magny Cours and hold a race at Brands or Donnington instead.
who is? Button?
how many WDC has he won?
I would say, give him 3 years, and then, if he has got 3 WDC, I will be with you
#31
Posted 04 February 2008 - 22:48
#32
Posted 04 February 2008 - 22:50
Originally posted by president evil
What about the likelihood of hosting a GP at Rockingham ?? On the oval ??
God no. The last thing F1 needs is oval racing.
#33
Posted 04 February 2008 - 22:55
#34
Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:02
#35
Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:07
Looking at the number of WDC's, it's time finland got a race. It would be sold out for sure...Originally posted by Budvar
Well, they will have to find somwhere to replace Barcelona........
#36
Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:15
#37
Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:20
Are you not well?Originally posted by lukywill
now finland is part of england.
#38
Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:24
Originally posted by Budvar
Are you not well?
thanks mate. extremely well.
what about you: have you think for a moment that finland does not belong to uk.
not even in second thoughts?
#39
Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:26
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#40
Posted 05 February 2008 - 00:07
Originally posted by president evil
Hee hee thought that may be the response. I just thought I would remind people that Britain has another decent track... hang on.. what about F1 at OULTON PARK!!!!!!
Or failing that....Cadwell Park ;)
#41
Posted 05 February 2008 - 07:00
Originally posted by Dunc
Given that the biggest F1 star of the moment is British surely we deserve a second GP.
Alonso is Spanish
#42
Posted 05 February 2008 - 08:18
Originally posted by Kaiser
Alonso is Spanish
Sato is Japanese
#43
Posted 05 February 2008 - 08:50
Originally posted by F575 GTC
Lifew12 would know more about it than me though.
I forgot to add a vital piece in my comment about Donington - should have read 'will be ready by April 2009....'
Whoever mentioned Oulton Park, what a dream that would be, but it will forever remain such.
#44
Posted 05 February 2008 - 09:34
Originally posted by FonzCam
Sato is Japanese
PIZZONIA!
#45
Posted 05 February 2008 - 09:53
this is nothing about "deserve second race", is just about money. Talk with mr.E , he can tell you something about
#46
Posted 05 February 2008 - 09:54
#47
Posted 05 February 2008 - 09:56
Any way back on topic, the last time they attempted to put together a bid for F1 track status (under the management of Nicola Foulston) the plans involved so much change to the woodland that Sevenoaks district council were unable to reach a decision regarding planning approval. They asked the govt to make the final decision and 2 jags Prescott ignored the deadline and the plans melted away. Foulston sold Brands and the other tracks to MSV.
IMO Donnington would be the best choice for another British Race even though Brands is my favourite track (living just a few miles away helps ;) )
oh and Kimi is a Fin and hapens to be WDC (which IMOis a good measure of best, if ot always accurate)
#48
Posted 05 February 2008 - 10:11
Just imagine the chaos on the roads around the circuit. It's bad enough when the BTCC are at Oulton never mind a GP!
However the bottom line for me is that I wouldn't want either of these wonderful circuits butchered so that the pampered pooches of F1 could race there!
The only sensible suggestion so far is Rockingham, but NOT the oval tarck but the infield circuit a la Indy!
#49
Posted 05 February 2008 - 11:32
besides, isn't any new GP predicated on willingness to give cash to a certain midget and disavow any ad restrictions?
#50
Posted 05 February 2008 - 11:36