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#1 MichaelPM

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 22:28

Using StumbleUpon I came across a gallery of photos capturing events (some good, some bad or simply of nature) and to my amazement it including a photo of Kubica's BMW on its side along the guard rail before coming to a rest.

Picture here

I do not know about the rest of you but I have never seen it before.
Surely his feet should not be exposed for one thing and what is he holding with his right hand?

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#2 FNG

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 22:40

I saw the pic before. It was discussed in these forums. I think that part in his hand was the steering wheel. It broke in his hands.

#3 F1_conman

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 02:58

The car (or what's left of it) is still moving in this picture. You can see debris flying around all over the place. Plus the front part was laying on the ground when the car stopped moving.
I remember this scene very well as I was looking at it live from my grandstand in Montreal. Still amazes me till this day that Kubica walked away from this crash with only an ankle sprain. Until he got moved to Ambulance (which didn't happen for about 10min) I thought he wouldn't make it - this is how serious it looked from up close.

#4 Zmeej

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 03:13

StumbleUpon sounds intriguing, to the point that I downloaded the program, but what's with this insistence that all IExp windows close when SU is running? :confused:

#5 A Wheel Nut

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 05:32

Originally posted by FNG
I broke in his hands.

We all do that from time to time. It's nothing to be ashamed of. :cry:

#6 Nobody

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 09:27

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Using StumbleUpon I came across a gallery of photos capturing events (some good, some bad or simply of nature) and to my amazement it including a photo of Kubica's BMW on its side along the guard rail before coming to a rest.

Picture here

I do not know about the rest of you but I have never seen it before.
Surely his feet should not be exposed for one thing and what is he holding with his right hand?


If I'm not wrong FIA increased the max amount of force the front section of the tub (around the feet) is to withstand in crash testing at the start of the 07 season. And luckily they did.

#7 Tomecek

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 09:37

Visible foots were already spotted after the crash and they even mentioned it in Official Season Highlists.

Important thing is that monococ protected its driver regardless the damage, and now FIA will take leasons from it to improve it forther, no doubt aout that.

#8 Hacklerf

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 09:42

Either way he is a very very lucky boy.

FIA Safety guys :up:

#9 MichaelJP

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 13:49

Main piece of luck was not hitting anything else head-on after the primary impact exposed his feet!

Amazing how much the safety cell has improved though, I was looking at the tubular frame of an early 1960's Lotus the other day and thought how far we've come since then.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 15:23

Originally posted by MichaelJP
Main piece of luck was not hitting anything else head-on after the primary impact exposed his feet!

Amazing how much the safety cell has improved though, I was looking at the tubular frame of an early 1960's Lotus the other day and thought how far we've come since then.


Exactly, if the car didn't turn on its side before the 2nd impact, it is very likely he would have broken his feet and or ankles, perhaps severely. Very Lucky.

#11 Atreiu

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 15:52

Originally posted by Hacklerf
Either way he is a very very lucky boy.

FIA Safety guys :up:


Say that again. The mere picture gave me some chills.

Lauda said it well when he said a crash like that would have killed drivers twice back in the day.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 20:30

Originally posted by MichaelJP
Main piece of luck was not hitting anything else head-on after the primary impact exposed his feet!

IIRC tha car was just about to hit the armco head on when a loose wheel hit the car underbody and make it turn away from armco.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 20:48

It looks a lot like one of the pictures I took. More zoom on this one, I think. but a lot of tricks can be used.

#14 Enkei

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 20:51

Is that the driver's water reservoir overtaking the car? I only notice it just now...

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 21:00

The car performed amazingly well but there are some lessons for the circuit. The car should never have been launched into the air by such an uneven surface right next to the track, and the armco he first hit was an much too obtuse an angle to the track, that gap was in the wrong place and not well designed. Armco is something a car is supposed to slide along, it deflects rather than absorbing enegry. He was lucky, you could repeat that accident and very easily have a bad injury instead of nothing.

#16 Hames Junt

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 21:15

If he'd cleared the wall, and he wasn't far off, it doesn't even bare thinking of the consequences if he flew into the cars exiting the casino hairpin. The only word I can think of would be catastrophic. I think Martin Brundle mentioned it probably would have been Fisichella he hit had that happened. :eek:

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 21:29

Originally posted by undersquare
The car performed amazingly well but there are some lessons for the circuit. The car should never have been launched into the air by such an uneven surface right next to the track, and the armco he first hit was an much too obtuse an angle to the track, that gap was in the wrong place and not well designed. Armco is something a car is supposed to slide along, it deflects rather than absorbing enegry. He was lucky, you could repeat that accident and very easily have a bad injury instead of nothing.


Just after the car lifted off the uneven ground, the front right tire was torn off on the end of a concrete wall, then the major impact happened on another concrete wall. The car came to rest against the armco on the entry on the hairpin.

Check for yourself with these pics taken by Jhope: http://forums.autosp...796#post2743796

I'm actually happy he hit concrete and not armco. I don't think the end result would have been the same...


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Posted 07 February 2008 - 22:46

Originally posted by cheesy poofs


Just after the car lifted off the uneven ground, the front right tire was torn off on the end of a concrete wall, then the major impact happened on another concrete wall. The car came to rest against the armco on the entry on the hairpin.

Check for yourself with these pics taken by Jhope: http://forums.autosp...796#post2743796

I'm actually happy he hit concrete and not armco. I don't think the end result would have been the same...


Ah OK, thanks. Same lesson though really, the wall really should have been more parallel to the track.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 23:02

Originally posted by undersquare


Ah OK, thanks. Same lesson though really, the wall really should have been more parallel to the track.

There was mention ftom the FIA and track owner shortly after the race that they would change a few things there. Not on the track layout, but fences and walls.

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#20 undersquare

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 23:24

Originally posted by HP
There was mention ftom the FIA and track owner shortly after the race that they would change a few things there. Not on the track layout, but fences and walls.


Good to know :)

#21 cheesy poofs

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 14:30

Originally posted by HP
There was mention ftom the FIA and track owner shortly after the race that they would change a few things there. Not on the track layout, but fences and walls.


Changes were made to the wall the following race ( ie; NASCAR Busch race in August ) that was held on the circuit. The wall was actually straightened out and I do expect more changes to made in time for this June's Canadian GP.