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Is good racing and F1 a paradox?


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#1 F1Obsession

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:38

We keep on complaining about the lack of good racing and more often than not the blame is placed on the advanced aero. But with the new regulations restricting aero in place, will F1 just be a glorified GP2?

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#2 Tomerell

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:54

Yes F1 and good racing is some sort of a paradox I'm affraid. And what FIA is trying to do for it is doing more damage than good.

My personal opinnion is that F1 should be a series for the super cars, with less regulations of how the car should be build like. We have enough standardized series for close racing with 24 cars. I think F1 should be who has the best and most innovative car with the best possible driver, and this is never gonna produce wide range close racing, even if it would be appriciated.

Ron had one comment long time ago that "if the car fits in the pit it should be declared legal". :smoking:

#3 CWeil

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:58

If everyone actually hated the racing they'd stop watching. Everyone just likes to complain.

I'm not saying that it's perfect- it's VERY far from it- but there's not much we can do, so the constant deep questions of whether or not F1 creates a paradoxical philosophical issue gets a little old.

#4 k1ngy

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 13:31

I agree with Tomerell, F1 has always been about the pinnacle of motorsport - The best drivers - The best cars - The most amount of money and the best equipment.
The FIA are concerned that they are not gaining any more viewers and when Shu was up front and winning everything people complained the sport was boring so they are trying to find ways of bringing the top teams to the lower ones rather than the lower ones doing all they can to get to the top.

#5 Risil

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 17:57

No, but sporting activity and money are.

#6 Ferrim

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 18:06

Ron had one comment long time ago that "if the car fits in the pit it should be declared legal". :smoking:


That explains a lot about why McLaren fell into spygate :rotfl:

#7 uffen

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 20:47

I agree that the racing can be poor. The sport evolved this way, though, and every step, taken alone, was deemed to be "for the best." At least that was the aim. Collectively, over time, these changes have led us to F1 in 2008. I would like to see more design freedom (although not driver aids) but I honestly don't know if it would improve the racing. It might make the cars faster, or slower, or better looking but tweaking the actual racing is a tough nut to crack.

#8 Mox

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 23:38

While I'm not going to directly disagree, I think too little "blame" is put on the fact that huge budgets bring team increasingly closer to the margins of the sport.

When design "revolutions" result in only a couple of 1/100s of a second per lap, getting that crucial advantage needed to race is very hard. The cars are too much alike.

In the "great racing" years of F1, the cars were different. They had their strong points in different areas, and thus were not optimal under all conditions and at all points of the tracks.

Today, all cars stick to the optimal racing line within very small margins. If they don't, they lose time and drop back. With Carbon brakes and traction control, margins are again very, very small.

Hopefully, this year, the absence of TC will help just a little bit.

#9 Tomerell

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 14:31

In the "great racing" years of F1, the cars were different.



Spot on :up: , I think there should be more room for variations and innovations than we have under current regulations...

#10 LostProphet

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 14:46

Yup. When Toyota were planning on coming into F1, they proposed a V12 powerplant. The other teams were so worried about this, they restricted the formula to V10s.

Things like that ruin innovation. Sure, common themes will run through all teams as there is usually one or two best ways of acheiving a certain goal, not six or seven, but it would be a lot more open than it is now.

#11 giacomo

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 15:17

F1 + rain = good racing

#12 F575 GTC

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 20:45

Originally posted by Mox
Hopefully, this year, the absence of TC will help just a little bit.


Fingers crossed, but even then the aero that's been blighting the overtaking this year will still be in place sadly. You might get some more overtaking, but certainly not as much as if the Aero was better.