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#51 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 05:25

I don't recall any of that 'high street fluff' music at the time ( Bowie and the Pistols excluded), although some of those songs are familiar now over time. Back then it was Pink Floyd's 'Animals' for me, The Stranglers first album, wondering why we had already waited 2 years since the last Zeppelin studio album (not knowing it would be another 2 years!) and Genesis 'A Trick of the Tail'.

That Whiting-Baldwin paddock shot is tremendous, with the Mallock in the background ( Fris? Was he still doing clubmans in '77?) Not a motorhome in sight, the only luxurious(!) seating areas were the few front seats in a coach transporter. Where did it go wrong? Ban motorhomes and tarmac paddocks I say!

That Jurgens A40 looks like it is eating it's security blanket.

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#52 Simon Arron

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 06:58

Just in case any doubts are raised by the above response from Mr Kitson, I'd like to clarify that I didn't enjoy such high-street fluff... I just remember it. Bowie, however, is deeply rooted in my iPod (as are Animals and Trick of the Tail, come to that).

Until about 18 months ago, a company used to sell 1970s rock mugs on eBay - album covers turned into tea receptacles, basically. It disappeared (licensing issues, one suspects), sadly, but not before I filled the kitchen cupboard with excellent porcelain mementos of Kraftwerk, Van Der Graaf Generator, Mike Oldfield, Wishbone Ash, Pink Floyd, Supertramp and others. I'm still kicking myself for not buying a Camel/Moon Madness mug before the opportunity vanished...

To return to the subject, the Mallock behind the two Special Saloons appears to be the U2 Mk16 of Tim Gath. He finished third, behind Martin White and Chris Greville-Smith. No sign of Fris on the entry list, although Vernon Davies, Ray Edge, Ruari Gillies, Creighton Brown et al were present. Then again, did anybody see a 1970s Clubmans race that didn't feature Vernon Davies?

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 07:09

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Just in case any doubts are raised by the above response from Mr Kitson, I'd like to clarify that I didn't enjoy such high-street fluff......


...and there I was thinking you were going to accompany me on the next Middle of the Road and Picketty Witch tour..... :rolleyes: oh well, I will go alone, unless Andy wants to sing along with "Chirpy chirpy,cheep cheep".... :confused:

#54 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 07:49

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Just in case any doubts are raised by the above response from Mr Kitson, I'd like to clarify that I didn't enjoy such high-street fluff... I just remember it. Bowie, however, is deeply rooted in my iPod (as are Animals and Trick of the Tail, come to that).

Until about 18 months ago, a company used to sell 1970s rock mugs on eBay - album covers turned into tea receptacles, basically. It disappeared (licensing issues, one suspects), sadly, but not before I filled the kitchen cupboard with excellent porcelain mementos of Kraftwerk, Van Der Graaf Generator, Mike Oldfield, Wishbone Ash, Pink Floyd, Supertramp and others. I'm still kicking myself for not buying a Camel/Moon Madness mug before the opportunity vanished...


Phew, that's a relief Simon, was wondering about you! 'Moon Madness', what a tremendous album as was/is 'The Snow Goose' by Camel.

Sterling...no, I will not be coming with you to that one, sorry my friend you'll have to hum along on your own, however see you in Cambridge for the Aussie Floyd gig in April. www.aussiefloyd.com

#55 alansart

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 08:16

Originally posted by sterling49


How did you know those words Alan? .....thinks...he is playing it in the car at the moment on his 8 track :rolleyes: ..........and runs for cover.......


Words were on t'internet. Even I'm not that much of a nerd. Thought about an 8 track but if I had the content of my itunes I'd need a Removal van just to carry the tapes :)

I suppose this is just about club racing. The late Tony Dean's F5000 Chevron in the days when a luxury transporter was a knackered old coach!

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#56 Mallory Dan

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 11:18

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
I don't recall any of that 'high street fluff' music at the time ( Bowie and the Pistols excluded), although some of those songs are familiar now over time. Back then it was Pink Floyd's 'Animals' for me, The Stranglers first album, wondering why we had already waited 2 years since the last Zeppelin studio album (not knowing it would be another 2 years!) and Genesis 'A Trick of the Tail'.

That Whiting-Baldwin paddock shot is tremendous, with the Mallock in the background ( Fris? Was he still doing clubmans in '77?) Not a motorhome in sight, the only luxurious(!) seating areas were the few front seats in a coach transporter. Where did it go wrong? Ban motorhomes and tarmac paddocks I say!

That Jurgens A40 looks like it is eating it's security blanket.



Quite agree on the blanket eating Andy, or could it be coming out of the A40 mouth. Perhaps Pete had given it too much Greenalls Mild the night before...

Fris finished in Clubmans 75 I think, he did FF2000 and G8 in 76, did he retire for a year or 2 after? The Whiting Escort is in its first year 'Squared off' mode, for 78 it was much curvier wasn't it. That Pearson Datsun was nicely turned out wasn't it, as with my Daf posting recently, it was nice to see a 'different' 1300 amongst the Minis/Escorts of the era. OTOH wasn't it an ex-Janspeed G2 car? The team was from Bournemouth IIRC, so quite unusual so far north.

I can't get your musical tastes chaps, other than to say thank heavens Punk came and blew all the Prog Rock away, for a short time anyway. As for Bowie, well.........

#57 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 11:30

The great thing about the '70s was the diversity, not only the wonderful different cars/manufacturers and series on the race tracks, but in the world of 'pop & rock' too.
From the Beatles, Hendrix and hard rock, through the progressive art school Floyd, Yes, Genesis & ELP, to punk and new wave. Not forgetting the glam rock and all that Abba, Bee gees and teenie pop stuff. Something for everyone.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 11:40

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
As for Bowie, well.........


What, you mean the actual words to "Space Oddity" were not: "Here am I sitting in my Twin Cam..."?

#59 Phil Rainford

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 12:17

Originally posted by RS2000


What, you mean the actual words to "Space Oddity" were not: "Here am I sitting in my Twin Cam..."?


And Major Tom was not the boss of TWR?;)

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#60 Stephen W

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 12:25

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Anyone able to identify the photographer in the background oof this photograph of Jonathan Bancroft (Reynard 86SF) at Lodge Corner, Oulton Park in 1986?

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#61 Simon Arron

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 12:39

Looks like Rainford, but why does he appear to be focusing on the pavilion grandstand rather than Jonathan Bancroft..?

#62 Phil Rainford

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 13:00

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Looks like Rainford, but why does he appear to be focusing on the pavilion grandstand rather than Jonathan Bancroft..?


What a good looking chap ..............wait a minute it is me ;)

I missed Bancroft but maged to catch Gachot!!

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#63 Mallory Dan

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 13:04

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Looks like Rainford, but why does he appear to be focusing on the pavilion grandstand rather than Jonathan Bancroft..?


Probably thinking thats Mike Beuttler in the Reynard........

#64 Stephen W

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 13:29

Originally posted by Phil Rainford


What a good looking chap ..............wait a minute it is me ;)

I missed Bancroft but maged to catch Gachot!!

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So did I ...................

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NB those your lower quarters Phillip?

#65 alansart

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 18:01

Perhaps this should be opened up to club racing from other parts of the world.

A very damp SCCA meeting at Mosport Park in 1988. Sorry about the quality of the pics. The negs weren't fixed properly :blush:

A Ralt and some slightly different Formula Fords.

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#66 David McKinney

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 18:21

Originally posted by alansart
Perhaps this should be opened up to club racing from other parts of the world

No, no no :down:
Start a new thread - a lot of people not interested in UK club events will enjoy these photos :up:

#67 alansart

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 18:42

Good idea.

#68 Phil Rainford

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 18:46

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Looks like Rainford, but why does he appear to be focusing on the pavilion grandstand rather than Jonathan Bancroft..?


Well at least I am holding the camera ....which is more than Mr Cox is doing in this picture as he "chills out"on the outside of Old Hall ;)

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 18:53

Originally posted by Phil Rainford


Well at least I am holding the camera ....which is more than Mr Cox is doing in this picture as he "chills out"on the outside of Old Hall ;)

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Don Wood's Arrows.

I was testing the trusty old Formula Ford at Oulton and it started to drizzle a little. Don nipped passed me coming into Knickerbrook and promptly lost it, big style, on the damp surface going up the hill. I slowed to check he was ok, which he was. Half an hour later he was out in his Guinness March.

How the other half live (Is there a jealousy icon) :)

#70 Alan Cox

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 23:34

A mixed collection from the bottom of the old gander bag (fans of Round the Horne will understand). All from 1975

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Matt Argenti/Macinnes Amcron van Diemen amd Stuart Baird/Brook Hire Merlyn, Silverstone

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Peter Dugdale/ex-Robarts March 733 and Kim Mather/Brabham BT38, Aintree

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Brian Pepper/General Relays Camaro and G.D.R.Marshall/Old Nail. Deer Leap Oulton Park

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Tony Brise's Atlantic Modus, and Tony Brise and Mike Young perch on the front wheels of Young's Super Vee Modus. I think that is Teddy Savory to the left. Oulton paddock

#71 Phil Rainford

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:27

And what a cracking mixed collection they are Alan :up:

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#72 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:36

Yep, brilliant stuff. This thread has the makings of one of the best ever! Any 60s club pics out there folks?

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 10:08

A couple of my usual dodgy quality Zenith E/Prinz lens negatives from a Brands Hatch meeting in about 1972/73. I am currently trying to get my old negatives in to some sort of order and would be grateful if anyone could suggest a date for these?

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:06

Originally posted by David Lawson
A couple of my usual dodgy quality Zenith E/Prinz lens negatives from a Brands Hatch meeting in about 1972/73. I am currently trying to get my old negatives in to some sort of order and would be grateful if anyone could suggest a date for these?

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The Formula Ford pic is possibly 1975. Car 25 looks like it could be Geoff Lees Royale RP21 which I think is a 75 car.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:07

David, I would say they are later in 1975, because that looks like Geoff Lees' D.J.Bond
Royale RP21 to the left (no 25). Is the Datsun 'Big Sam' the ex-Win Percy car, looks like Roger Andreason involvement with it by the signwriting. The Mini Jem could be Ian Hall's car.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:09

You beat me to it Alan! No 41 is I think Jim Walsh's Hawke, before he got an RP21 too. Must be early in the season.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:11

The FF one is definitely 75 David, the Hawke DL12 gives it away. is it Derek Warwick? Looks like a Crossle 30F leading, and is that Lees' RP21 coming up the inside? An Image FF2B I think with the knackered nose.

In the modsports, it looks like Roger Andreason in the Datsun, ex-Percy at a guess. Maybe a Marcos behind, then Ian Hall's Mini-Jem (?), Barry Woods Ginetta (?), then the Spridgets.

Great pics!

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:14

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
You beat me to it Alan! No 41 is I think Jim Walsh's Hawke, before he got an RP21 too. Must be early in the season.


:)

A bit of a guess, but is that Jonathon Palmers Marcos behind Percy.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:14

The Image could be David Wigdor or Robert Synge, but the driver does not look tall enough for it to be Robert!

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#80 Mallory Dan

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:29

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
You beat me to it Alan! No 41 is I think Jim Walsh's Hawke, before he got an RP21 too. Must be early in the season.


Andy, I think Jim W kept his DL12 thru' 75, getting the Royale for 76. And I think JP only got the Marcos the latter year 2, did Richard Gamble have it before him, or was it after him?? I'd go for Frank Bayes in the Image, sponsored by a very early 'Garden Centre' I believe? Could it be Rod Bremner in the Crossle?

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 11:38

Good call Dan. Could that be a Dulon (no 14) David Heale? Who do we think the leading Crossle is and what is the strange one at the back with the Sparton type nose?
Again I reckon that definitely is Jim in the Hawke, due to the Brush Fusegear sticker. He was sponsored by the 'Crompton' group to which 'Brush' belonged. There was a Brush Fusegear Championship later in '77 of course.
Great after race booze ups in their Silverstone suite in those days!
Jim is back on the scene today BTW. Barry Walsh (not sure how related but they are) is team boss of Ultimate Motorsport in the modern day British F3 Championship, Jim has been working for them as a consultant.

EDIT - could indeed be Rod Bremner's Crossle yes. He was certainly always at the sharp end.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:12

There was also a Brush Fusegear Championship in 1974.

See the sticker on Stu Bairds car.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:18

Is that not 1975, Alan? It looks like a 753 in the background.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:30

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Is that not 1975, Alan? It looks like a 753 in the background.


It is 1975. Sorry I'm rubbish at dates.

The March is an Atlantic and I have it written down as a 74B

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:40

Alan, yes you are right, but 1975 as Dan says.

1975 The main FF Championships were:
British Air Ferries, Brush Fusegear & National Organs.

1976
DJM Records, Brush Fusegear, RAC, Townsend Thoresen & Dunlop Star of Tomorrow.

I still think that is Jim though, despite my link to the Brush sticker!

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:05

Originally posted by alansart
It is 1975. Sorry I'm rubbish at dates.

The March is an Atlantic and I have it written down as a 74B


April 1975 - rare shot from a rare appearance in the UK for the Swede...

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:12

Alan's shot of Baird's FF car, is that the March engine cover behind the go-kart? If so, why the Canadian flags?

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:21

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Alan's shot of Baird's FF car, is that the March engine cover behind the go-kart? If so, why the Canadian flags?


No idea!

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:23

Whilst Bertil Roos was Swedish, wasn't he predominantly based in Canada?

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:31

Is the Roos March and Baird Merlyn pic at Silverstone? If so I guess its an early 75 shot, perhaps Roos had collected his new 75B, and was taking in a race locally before heading back to Canada for the series there. That bit of engine cover looks like the 'louvred' 1975 March shape, rather than a 74 one. I presume Roos had some Canadian backing for their series, hence the maple leafs. In the Roos shot is that another, black, FAt no. 19 in the background?

The FF at the back can't be a Sparton, they didn't start til 77-78 IIRC. An old Elden maybe, Fred Sigafoos perhaps, he frequented Brands a lot in this era?

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:43

Originally posted by MCS
Whilst Bertil Roos was Swedish, wasn't he predominantly based in Canada?


Wasn't there a connection between Roos and Walter Wolf, who stuck Canadian flags on everything he was involved with?

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:58

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Is the Roos March and Baird Merlyn pic at Silverstone? If so I guess its an early 75 shot, perhaps Roos had collected his new 75B, and was taking in a race locally before heading back to Canada for the series there. That bit of engine cover looks like the 'louvred' 1975 March shape, rather than a 74 one. I presume Roos had some Canadian backing for their series, hence the maple leafs. In the Roos shot is that another, black, FAt no. 19 in the background?


According to oldracingcars it's Roy Baker's March - if it's number 19.

But it looks like Nick May's Lola T360 to me (number 15).

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 14:05

Originally posted by MCS


According to oldracingcars it's Roy Baker's March - if it's number 19.

But it looks like Nick May's Lola T360 to me (number 15).


The car is No: 15 (I've had my magnifying glass out) so it's Nick May's Lola. Silverstone 1975

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 14:33

Proof that us 'suvveners' sometimes venture as far as Oulton.
Duncan Bain's victorious TF3 Argo, 1989.
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A rare sight at Thruxton. Entered in the HSCC single seater race 1994.
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Whilst on planet Lotus, any ideas who this Europa belonged to at Donington in 1982?
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Two great entertainers on-and-off track. Gerry stays on, Tony spins off. Silverstone 1984.
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Although this was a big international and the race was a Ford funded 'nation against nation'
( A1-GP eat your heart out), FF can still be classed as club racing I think. Supporting the
1985 British GP, the all Van Diemen race. IIRC won for Great Britain by Dave Coyne?
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More FF from 1982. David Wheeler's 'Abbey Farm Racing' prepared Royale RP31M.
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 14:38

I think the Europa may be Eric Paterson's, based on a March chassis, the wheels look 'March-ish'. Peter Bell in then RF80 alongside David Wheeler, Bell was quick in older cars IIRC.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 14:44

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson

More FF from 1982. David Wheeler's 'Abbey Farm Racing' prepared Royale RP31M.
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I painted David Wheelers helmet. Nice chap.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 14:52

I never knew that Alan, did Mika Hakkinen copy your design? I painted 'Wheeler' at the top of his pit board for David..Great bloke..but a maniac on the roads back then! I went with him to Oulton one year. Also in the
car were Trevor van Rooyen and Alan Cornock and David did it in about 2 1/4 hrs from Bedford, normally
over 3 hrs. A big lock up with skid marks 40 feet long when he came upon a line of traffic around a blind bend
approaching the circuit. Mad! Van Rooyen didn't flinch but Alan and I wished we had put brown trousers on.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 15:00

Nice stuff, Andrew.

The Europa GT is definitely Eric Paterson's car.

I suspect Rainford and are I just out of shot in your 1985 Silverstone Formula Ford pic - I blagged him a GP press pass and we were sitting trackside, atop the sleepers on the approach to Woodcote.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 15:01

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
I never knew that Alan, did Mika Hakkinen copy your design? I painted 'Wheeler' at the top of his pit board for David..Great bloke..but a maniac on the roads back then! I went with him to Oulton one year. Also in the
car were Trevor van Rooyen and Alan Cornock and David did it in about 2 1/4 hrs from Bedford, normally
over 3 hrs. A big lock up with skid marks 40 feet long when he hit a line of traffic around a blind bend
approaching the circuit. Mad! Van Rooyen didn't flinch but Alan and I wished we had put brown trousers on.


Hakkinen's is similar :)

I delivered it to SDC's place in Bedford, but he was late as he'd put his company car into a ditch when the road was bit wet. Wasn't going to fast, honest guv!

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#100 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 15:18

Well, I say it was David's pit board I painted. It wasn't at the time. It was loaned to him by my Dad who kept it and a couple of other bits and pieces in lieu of pay from Nicholas Wattiez, when the old man was looking after 'his' Boss Capri in 1976, bought from Doug Niven (The ex-Colin Hawker car). Wattiez got the pit board with the spares when he bought the ex-Edwards Barclays Lola T330 in '74. My old man never got paid by Wattiez nor did Niven, so Doug came down to retrieve his car! When Dad died in 1983 I told David he could keep the pit board.
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