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#51 Victor

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 22:43

Originally posted by juu-joa
Im not even intrested about it.
I don't know and it doesn't even matter.
I'm not interested about what's happening behind me.
I don't care what he does.
I don't give a damn what Ferrari did.
I couldn't care less what that man is thinking.
I'm not interested about it yet (...).
I don't care..
I don't care what Jackie says.
I'm not interested in his thoughts.
I don't give a damn what Trulli says.
I'm not that interested in Montoya's comments.
I don't care what people think about me.

I don't care, I don't give a damn, I'm not interested...
Räikkönnen just seems to be a very negative and boring personage. But, who cares? We don't give a damn...

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#52 hobbes

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 22:54

Well tell you what. You can either selectively pick out the phrases which suit you and reach that conclusion or simply ask him stupid questions

#53 Mauseri

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 23:38

http://youtube.com/w...LIcleMr8sM&NR=1

:lol:

#54 Atreiu

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 23:58

He does get away with some short answers that, said by others, would create huge headlines, but there's nothing absurd about it.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 03:03

When I read the comments "I love Ferrari" after the WDC win, my first thought was: Kimi never, ever said those words. They were probably written by the Ferrari PR department. Kimi rarely shows any emotion or talks about other drivers, it's just style. I don't think people should take offense, because he treats all drivers the same way. It's not cocky or lack of respect, it's just that he doesn't want to gossip and give the reporters any "ammo".

I like him. I think he's very genuine guy. I also like that he doesn't want to collect any brownie points... not from Schumacher or the media. His interviews are extremely boring though. Someone said that he talks like those Cylons in Battlestar Galactica... that was perfect description. But then again, the interviews by other drivers are rarely any more interesting... they just manage to sugar coat all the same boring litanies.

I doubt Bernie wants to see Kimi winning more WDC's though. I'm sure he's like to see Hamilton representing the sport as a World Champion. Kimi is the PR people's nightmare, while Hamilton is very marketable... with his perfect PR skills and nice smile. We all know he talks a lot. Kimi is just a hardcore racecar driver... a kid who loves to drive.

I don't think he's 100% committed to F1 though... and thus using his full potential. There are so many rumors about him being very lazy, and a bad car developer. There must be some truth in that. Yes, he's a World Champion... but I'm sure he could be a totally dominant driver, if he just put his mind into it 100%. Just my "gut" feeling about Kimi. But that's for another thread...




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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:42

Originally posted by Apocalypse


I don't think he's 100% committed to F1 though... and thus using his full potential. There are so many rumors about him being very lazy, and a bad car developer. There must be some truth in that. Yes, he's a World Champion... but I'm sure he could be a totally dominant driver, if he just put his mind into it 100%. Just my "gut" feeling about Kimi. But that's for another thread...



I dont think you could be any more wrong with that mate, check his latest interviews, hes loving F1 and Ferrari!

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:36

Originally posted by Apocalypse
I don't think he's 100% committed to F1 though... and thus using his full potential. There are so many rumors about him being very lazy, and a bad car developer. There must be some truth in that. Yes, he's a World Champion... but I'm sure he could be a totally dominant driver, if he just put his mind into it 100%. Just my "gut" feeling about Kimi. But that's for another thread...

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These comments about Kimi as a bad car developer are confusing to me. I believe the best feedback to engineers from a driver is to be able to take the car to the limit as fast as possible. When the engineers can trust in this ability of a given driver then stop watch gives very accurate feedback. I cannot honestly see Kimi as being one the worst in this regard.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:15

Originally posted by Apocalypse
There are so many rumors about him being very lazy, and a bad car developer.


A "bad car developer" rumors started by arrow, Hrvoje, former champ + the other usual suspects :D

I think the "lazy" part is connected to stuff like PR, etc. Not refusing to test or anything like that.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:20

Originally posted by Victor

I don't care, I don't give a damn, I'm not interested...
Räikkönnen just seems to be a very negative and boring personage. But, who cares? We don't give a damn...


I would rather say arrogant.

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#60 Panch

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:24

I would rather say he only focuses in his own doing.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:28

Originally posted by Spunout


A "bad car developer" rumors started by arrow, Hrvoje, former champ + the other usual suspects :D

I think the "lazy" part is connected to stuff like PR, etc. Not refusing to test or anything like that.


Show me where on earth I ever said Raikkonen was a bad car developer???? :confused:

I have done nothing but praise the bloke as an outstanding driver from mid season, 2007. When he DESERVED the praise and ended up as World Champion. As a Ferrari fan I was rapted he won the title and in the fashion he did. However I wasn't going to praise him early on when he was average and nothing but, unlike yourself I actually realise his shit does stink......

Seriously Spunout, you are one of the biggest trolls and starters of shit on this board and there is the proof. I've never said anything as such and I rate Kimi highly, very highly. So because I don't think he's a demi-God, I must be a basher?

It annoys me that, because Kimi races for the Scuderia, people like you now follow them. That's what I don't like about him. His useless fanboys who have been watching F1 since 2001 and think they know it all and, in the process, bash every other driver even if they have never seen them race. Bunch of idiots. :down:

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:36

Originally posted by Panch
I would rather say he only focuses in his own doing.


Other drivers and F1 people are focusing on their job as well. At the same time they can show some respect to others as well.

#63 Panch

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:38

Well like kimi himself said, I fear no one and respect everyone.

#64 kNt

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 12:01

If in somebody tells me he doesn't care about stuff that often, he usualy cares about it and tries to stay cool by force. Don't know Kimi good enough to judge that though.

#65 Chiara

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 12:03

Since we are discussing Kimi's performances during 2007 I thought you might find this analysis interesting:

Raikkonen's move to Ferrari was a long time in the making, and it could not have happened at a more difficult moment.

Firstly, he had to fill Michael Schumacher's massive boots.

Secondly, he had to adapt to a new car, systems and team all at once, whilst doing it on Bridgestone rubber with vastly different characteristics than the Michelins he had been racing on for so many years.

Thirdly, Raikkonen had a quick young team mate already imbedded in the Ferrari system, a guy with very personal affiliations to the team and one who is fluent in Italian. Felipe Massa might be erratic at times, but even in 2006 he was fast enough on a given day to outgun Schumacher (by half a second on his quickest lap in the Spanish GP, for instance).

Having been on a steep '06 learning curve under the master's watchful eye, and having kept that line of communication very much open in '07, Massa used his natural speed and intimate familiarity with the Scuderia to great effect in the early part of the season, playing up his friendship with Schumacher and manager Nicolas Todt - the latter being Jean Todt's son, of course.

This feeling that the team might gravitate towards the other driver - and a lesser paid one, at that - certainly helped to keep Raikkonen off kilter in the early part of the season, just as Alonso was not on a steady keel at McLaren.

The F2007's long wheelbase also induced a slow and lethargic nose on turn-in, resulting in lots of tyre scraping and therefore uncomfortably high front tyre temperatures when manhandled, as Raikkonen was prone to do early on in the season, trying to extract more from the car.

By contrast, the long wheelbase made it difficult to bring the rears up to temperature over a single qualifying lap, resulting in poorish grid positions.

Raikkonen's predilection to run long first stints, gaining an advantage by capitalising on his tremendous speed on full tanks and cold rubber, also came to naught over the first half of the season, as his heavier car sometimes got swamped off the line.

Malaysia and Bahrain, on top of that, made it clear that the ice-cool Finn would rather play safe and collect points, than go for a Montoya-like six or a nix.

In Bahrain, he also fell asleep behind the pace car, showing nothing of the alacrity which kept him ahead of Schumacher in the pair's enthralling duel at Spa, in 2004, once the safety car pulled in.

The biggest reason for the Kimster's early season woes, however, came from his struggles to integrate settings and specifically Maranello's brand of traction control (TC) with the F2007's forwardly placed long-wheelbase inspired weight distribution, all of it on alien Bridgestone rubber.

So different was Ferrari's general approach to weight distribution from McLaren's, that the latter's test driver, De la Rosa, didn't even test Ferrari's figures in the McLaren simulator when specifics were garnered by Mike Coughlan, during the Stepneygate spy scandal.

But why did it take up to half a season to match the Ferrari's severe TC to Bridgestone rubber and the car's weight distribution?

A-ha. Again Raikkonen and others, notably Alonso, had been caught out by regulation changes, this time by severe testing limits. Not for teams to simply book another test of thousands of kilometers in order to sort problems out, not any more.

Ferrari's TC - developed to help Schumacher pivot and catch the car in the apex, after an early turn-in - instead only hampered Raikkonen's speed, without rendering any benefit, when the Kimster tried his classic straight lining techniques.

Thus it took Raikkonen some time to adapt the car to him, vis-à-vis the quick fix he tried in early 2007, by adapting himself to the car.

Once he got the F2007 to his liking, Kimi took off at Silverstone - although signs came through even in France (where he won), Indy (where he took fastest lap) and Monaco (where he was comfortably fastest of the top runners during a wet Saturday morning practice).

That the Kimster kept his head down and his nose clean during the run-in to the title speaks volumes for his level-headedness. Along the way, he was imperious (in Britain and Belgium), amazing (with a sore neck at Monza), rock steady (in China and Brazil) and majestic (in Japan).

And yes, majestic also during the opener in Oz - although the car was either illegal or against the spirit of the rules, depending on one's point of view. The stewards, nevertheless, failed to pick up the moving floor which catapulted the F2007 to such a crushing win in Melbourne.

By the end of the championship, Raikkonen's margin of victory was a lot slimmer than it had been in Australia. But having recouped the largest deficit ever over the final two races of a F1 season, the final outcome was as crushing to the opposition, as Kimi's winning margin in Melbourne.



#66 Chiara

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 12:06

I don't think Kimi is a bad car developer and lazy, but I do recall several incidences in the media that could have lead people to believe that was the case. Firstly Kimi himself did an interview in the McLaren garage at one point (don't ask me to remember where or when because I have the memory of a goldfish) but in it he laughingly joked he could be quite lazy at times in relation to doing what McLaren wanted of him (e.g. going to the gym etc, fulfilling his PR commitments, going to the simulator and other activities that McLaren formally demand of their drivers).

In contrast to McLaren's formal approach, Ferrari are alot more relaxed with their drivers, don't make formal demands and trust their drivers as adults to get on with what is necessary to get the job done. I think the way the two teams treat their drivers is fundamentally different at McLaren they are employees paid to do a job and meet the demands asked of them, at Ferrari in its family type atmosphere they are indulged and treated like favourite family members and if they don't like to do something (e.g. too many press conferences) the team try to accomodate them where they can. But several team members at Ferrari have said (AFAIK) that Kimi does do what is asked of him by the team.

After Michael Schumacher announce his retirement at Monza in 2006 and Kimi was confirmed as his replacement, several key team members of Ferrari spoke out about their concerns. For example Luca Baldisserri said the team could have a very difficult winter ahead with the loss of Michael (who had brought some very valuable and precious working practices into the team) and they were unsure what skills Kimi could bring with him.

They had spoken to Sauber, they knew Kimi was a fast driver but they were unsure if he would have the skills that Michael had to drive the team forward in development...and so they were fretting this was something they would have to take on themselves. I think this speaks more about their relationship with Michael than about the abilities of Kimi. You have to remember these comments were made at a time of high emotion in the team that they were losing someone who had been an integral part of the team for 10 years. I think people generally took this to mean Kimi is rubbish, as opposed to the team actually saying "we are going to really miss Michael's input".

For the first half of 2007 Kimi struggled to adapt his driving style to the Bridgestones, TC and other systems on the Ferrari. His race team Chris Dyer, Andrea Stella etc also had to throw out all they had learnt with Michael to adapt to Kimi and how he liked to do things. But through alot of hard work in the second half of the season this really started paying results.

Subsequently Luca Baldisserri came out to make comments like this in October 2007 "Michael is a seven times world champion and we've been working together for 10 years, and at the end, with the relationship with Michael it was enough to look into his eyes to understand where there was a problem, to understand what he was meaning when he was speaking about the car," Baldisserri said.

"Generally with Kimi, we were struggling a bit at the beginning because he had some trouble to adapt his driving style to our car, to learn all our systems and to learn the Bridgestone tyres but I have to say that from mid-season to the race that he did today he can be at the same level as Michael.

"A driver that can do a race like today, such difficult conditions, without making a mistake is a great driver."

And recently Nick Tombazis has made comments saying that although Kimi is a quiet guy, who doesn't display alot of emotion, the team love him and when he does speak he does give good meaningful feedback to the team.

I know this doesn't directly point to Kimi being a great developer, but it does point to the fact Ferrari are happy with what they have got in Kimi and that is all that matters.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 13:51

:up:

#68 glorius&victorius

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 14:56

Nice analysis Chiara! :up:

I completely agree with the point you make that Ferrari people were in the beginning referreing to their close working relationship with Michael, rather than judging Kimi. :up:

I also remember somewhere in the first half of the season that Domenicalli labelled quiet Kimi as a "patient thinker" (something along those lines... I dont have the exact quote...) I dont think they would call him a "thinker" if what came out of his mouth was stupidity.

#69 Atreiu

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 17:15

That the Kimster kept his head down and his nose clean during the run-in to the title speaks volumes for his level-headedness. Along the way, he was imperious (in Britain and Belgium), amazing (with a sore neck at Monza), rock steady (in China and Brazil) and majestic (in Japan).





That could have come straight from HSJ's keyboard.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 17:39

what about that line... "****ing hell!" ?

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 17:51

Originally posted by Taxi
what about that line... "****ing hell!" ?


:rotfl: That was my personal favourite. It was a disgrace that FOM bottled out of using that quote for the title of their season review...

#72 Victor

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 20:24

Thanks Chiara, nice post.

#73 xman

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 20:55

Chiara, great post, and excellent read :up: :up: :up:

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 21:32

Originally posted by Victor

I don't care, I don't give a damn, I'm not interested...
Räikkönnen just seems to be a very negative and boring personage. But, who cares? We don't give a damn...


Mr. Victor, you do visit a BB, open a thread about KR, read the comments by other posters and then you respond to one of them....Guess what ...YOU DO CARE. :)

Guys who really do not care won't even be reading this.

#75 the9th

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 21:38

Originally posted by dajwalia

Guys who really do not care won't even be reading this.

You mean, guys like KR?.. :lol:
Nevermind.

#76 dajwalia

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 21:42

Originally posted by the9th

You mean, guys like KR?.. :lol:
Nevermind.


Super. :)

#77 Mauseri

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 23:48

Originally posted by Taxi
what about that line... "****ing hell!" ?

Do you have the youtube link by any chance? I cant find.

#78 intelligentsia

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 11:20

Originally posted by Victor

I don't care, I don't give a damn, I'm not interested...
Räikkönnen just seems to be a very negative and boring personage. But, who cares? We don't give a damn...


Yes the quotes my seem a strange because it is taken out of context.

Most of those negative answers as you put it, was replies to something that someone else have said about him. The most recent example of this that I can think about, is when Bernie said he wouldn't like it if Kimi became the world champion. When reporters asked Kimi what he thought about this, he replied with his normal answer," I don't care what he says, he can say anything he likes".

In other words Kimi just doesn't take the bait, that journalists tries to usually catch drivers with, and rightly so why exactly should he care what other people think and say about him?

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 17:38

Originally posted by F1Obsession


Q: About Alonso
A: I couldn't care less what that man is thinking.

Imagine if Hamilton said that about Alonso. When Kimi says it he doesn't have any agenda. If Hamilton said that it would have been a personal dig at Alonso.


Yea, but Kimi and Lonso were not teammates.

If Kimi said he didn't care what Massa was thinking then I'm sure people, not least Todt, would be upset.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 20:00

He is like the dark energy in the universe, no one really understands him in a galaxy full of bright and high energy stars, supernova and blackholes but he effects the surroundings none the less.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 21:59

Originally posted by MichaelPM
He is like the dark energy in the universe, no one really understands him in a galaxy full of bright and high energy stars, supernova and blackholes but he effects the surroundings none the less.

Hehe, I like that. Nice. I might quote you sometimes on my Kimi website, if you don't mind lol

#82 MichaelPM

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 22:22

Originally posted by Evenstar

Hehe, I like that. Nice. I might quote you sometimes on my Kimi website, if you don't mind lol


I do not mind at all.

#83 Taxi

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 16:18

Dark side of the universe heim? I like that too. It it goes so nice with the "****ing Hell!" :D Sorry Micra I can't find it either in youtoube... :

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 16:24

Originally posted by Evenstar

Hehe, I like that. Nice. I might quote you sometimes on my Kimi website, if you don't mind lol


Whats your Kimi website?

#85 intelligentsia

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 17:06

Originally posted by Hacklerf


Whats your Kimi website?


http://darkmaiden.sp...x?wa=wsignin1.0

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 17:57

Originally posted by intelligentsia


http://darkmaiden.sp...x?wa=wsignin1.0


Your "KIMI" Blog is well-known enough,so there is no need making the advertisement for it here and there again and again,and there is even nothing special in it.

#87 Hacklerf

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 18:57

Originally posted by taivas


Your "KIMI" Blog is well-known enough,so there is no need making the advertisement for it here and there again and again,and there is even nothing special in it.


I didnt know it, but am interested to read it

#88 Evenstar

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 20:08

Originally posted by taivas


Your "KIMI" Blog is well-known enough,so there is no need making the advertisement for it here and there again and again,and there is even nothing special in it.

I wasn't even conscious of the advertisment in my post, but if it wasn't even the slightest bit special then it wouldn't be well known as you put it LOL I don't mean to brag but your comment was uncalled for.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 21:15

Originally posted by big x
Come on chaps, it's clear Martin Brundle started the joking....



Schumacher on the other hand constantly refused to give his ex-team mate Brundle interviews because the German has a massive sense of humour failure.

adam


It wasn't that he chose not speak to ITV, Schumi had a contract with RTL that is why he never gave grid interviews to Brundle, away from the track ITV and Brundle recorded many interviews with Schumi as did Murray Walker.
I don't belive Hamilton had any such contract stopping him from talking to ITV on the grid this year, it was just out of choice, but that was quite acceptable to ITV and Brundle :

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 23:29

Kimi has a delightful contempt for the posers and hangers on in F1 without being openly rude. He really couldn´t give a continental f**k what anyone thinks of him. Very refreshing. I love it. The guy is a bloody star. :up: