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  1. Bernie Ecclestone (2 votes [0.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.71%

  2. Ron Dennis (24 votes [8.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.48%

  3. Jean Todt (45 votes [15.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.90%

  4. Jackie Stewart (47 votes [16.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.61%

  5. Paul Stoddart (32 votes [11.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.31%

  6. Ove Anderson (11 votes [3.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.89%

  7. Tony Blair (7 votes [2.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.47%

  8. Anthony Hamilton (22 votes [7.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.77%

  9. Keep Max! (40 votes [14.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.13%

  10. Other (please comment below) (53 votes [18.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.73%

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#51 metz

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 19:15

Originally posted by lukywill
fia director should not understand anything but himself.


CLASSIC lukywill... :clap:
There are always only 2 ways to respond.
One either has to violently disagree, :mad:
or admit that I have no clue as to what he's talking about... :drunk:

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#52 lukywill

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 19:15

Originally posted by jonpollak


Haven't you got anything to do in your life my friend?


no. when i get to something i always try to go to the good thing of it.
;)

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 19:19

Vatanen - Great idea. Has all the skills and is passionate about road safety given his unfortunate family history. Also would see beyond F1.

#54 Sébastien

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 20:25

Originally posted by AyePirate
Flavio has no interest in being an admin at the FIA.

Bernie's job is the one he want$

Bernie will live another decade easily, so Flavio will gladly help his best friend Bernie and become the next FIA president if Bernie wants him to.
After that he can always succeed Bernie because in 2018 Flavio will only be 68 years old.

#55 chrisj

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 21:25

How much time (as a percentage of his day) does the FIA president spend on Formula One? Although the sport is high profile, I would think he has a helluva lot more important things to do besides worry about racecars. I voted "other" because I think the prez should be from outside the sport, and I don't have anyone in mind. As far as who runs and regulates F1, they need to be a real bastard, and as impartial as possible. Of the people on your list, Jackie Stewart has done well at everything he's ever touched, but he's too old, and probably too British-centric. Stoddart would be fun. Todt would do a fantastic job, but he has the stink of Ferrari all over him.

#56 Walsingham

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 21:32

Peter Sauber

#57 Sébastien

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 21:58

Max must be having a great laugh with this poll, he's leading all other named contestants and the "other" option with Flavio, Vatanen, Clarkson and Symonds is just slightly ahead.
More encouragement for Max to stay on untill 2013 me thinks. :lol:

#58 giacomo

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 22:06

Originally posted by SĂ©bastien
Max must be having a great laugh with this poll, he's leading all other named contestants and the "other" option with Flavio, Vatanen, Clarkson and Symonds is just slightly ahead.
More encouragement for Max to stay on untill 2013 me thinks. :lol:

This poll just proves that Max and his Fia homies are holding at least 14 member aliases at this board.

#59 drionita

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 22:48

PS. drionita: LUCA?...Non va bene!!!


Oh Lord, I was joking... I'd be the last man on the Earth to endorse "Belli-capelli" LCdM at FIA Presidence...I'm a strange kind of Italian, not a Ferrari fan, I admire Frank Williams and love Mercedes!
But seriously, I'd prefer Jacky Stewart as President.

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#60 vivafroilan!

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 04:21

Originally posted by Walsingham
Peter Sauber


I second that.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 11:37

There's an article on Norbert Haug on speedtv...http://formula-one.s...the-middle//P3/

Makes me think he'd be a good president of the FIA.

#62 Sébastien

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 12:09

Originally posted by undersquare
There's an article on Norbert Haug on speedtv...http://formula-one.s...the-middle//P3/

Makes me think he'd be a good president of the FIA.

You linked to page 3 of the article, here it's from page 1

http://formula-one.s...-in-the-middle/

Anyway yes Nobbie Haug has an impressive record in motorsports but I think he lacks the neccesary experience and backing within the FIA, also his role in the GPMA will not be forgotten.

I liked this part:

Originally from Haug
“I learned a lot, and I do not want to miss a second [of that experience]. I learned my limits, I learned to be in technical discussions, I learned to be in political discussions, I learned traveling, organizing, everything. Like I said, I learned my own limits, and I think it’s very important for a human being to learn that. I do not want to have a day in my life where I cannot learn even more.

Maybe now he should learn to say no the second serving at lunch or dinner ;)

#63 Mika Mika

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 12:13

Originally posted by undersquare
There's an article on Norbert Haug on speedtv...http://formula-one.s...the-middle//P3/

Makes me think he'd be a good president of the FIA.


Norbert Haug is great, If not FIA pres then he could take over at McLaren no problem....

#64 Vitesse2

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 12:21

Originally posted by ensign14
ensign14

And why would the FIA need another Oxford-educated lawyer? :p :wave:

#65 NineOneSeven

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 12:32

Ross Brawn.

He has technical aptitude and understands the sport and the fans.

#66 undersquare

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 14:02

Originally posted by SĂ©bastien

You linked to page 3 of the article, here it's from page 1

http://formula-one.s...-in-the-middle/

Anyway yes Nobbie Haug has an impressive record in motorsports but I think he lacks the neccesary experience and backing within the FIA, also his role in the GPMA will not be forgotten.


How does he lack experience?

As to backing, thread is about who ought to be, isn't it, not who's being promoted.

For me he's the third most qualified after Max and Todt, and it's time we saw the end of pro-Ferrari leadership of the governing body. Norbert is someone that everybody respects, it seems to me.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 14:15

Norbert is someone that everybody respects



Particuarly his local pie seller. :D

#68 Sébastien

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 14:53

Originally posted by undersquare

How does he lack experience?

As to backing, thread is about who ought to be, isn't it, not who's being promoted.

FIA experience is what I mend, lord knows Haug has plenty of motorsport experience.
A new FIA president should know the FIA like the back of his hand.
As to backing, you do understand who are chosing the FIA president, with just the vote from some German and the odd English representative Nobby is going nowhere.

Originally posted by undersquare
For me he's the third most qualified after Max and Todt, and it's time we saw the end of pro-Ferrari ........yada yada yada

that's as far as I choose to read because now you're just back to your usual boohoo big bad Ferrari drivel.

#69 undersquare

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 15:19

Originally posted by SĂ©bastien

FIA experience is what I mend, lord knows Haug has plenty of motorsport experience.
A new FIA president should know the FIA like the back of his hand.
As to backing, you do understand who are chosing the FIA president, with just the vote from some German and the odd English representative Nobby is going nowhere.

that's as far as I choose to read because now you're just back to your usual boohoo big bad Ferrari drivel.


Yes yes, classic Ferrari fanboy - FIA on our side please keep those rules moving for us and anyone who disagrees is just horrid horrid horrid, let's insult them.

But wouldn't you like to know if Ferrari could win on their own? On the strength of their terrific engineering and drivers? Couldn't they do that with Norbert instead of Max or Jean? And if they did, wouldn't it be worth more?

#70 Sébastien

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 16:16

Originally posted by undersquare
FIA on our side please keep those rules moving for us and anyone who disagrees is just horrid horrid horrid, let's insult them.

But wouldn't you like to know if Ferrari could win on their own? On the strength of their terrific engineering and drivers? Couldn't they do that with Norbert instead of Max or Jean? And if they did, wouldn't it be worth more?

I am trying to explain to you why I think Norbert Haug might not be such a good, obvious or even realistic candidate for FIA president.
Now where did I insult Haug apart from my harmless dig at his posture?

Or do you feel insulted because I chose not to read or react to your repetitive boohoo bad-Ferrari drivel which you feel the need to include in many a post here.

#71 metz

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 16:43

In light of THIS...
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/65391
It has to be Bond. James Bond.

#72 sensible

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 16:53

Interesting to see JYS doing so well (2nd of named options currently) and yet no-one is admitting having voted for him. Is there a subversive internet campaign to elect jackie? I think we should be told. ;)

#73 undersquare

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 17:16

Originally posted by SĂ©bastien

I am trying to explain to you why I think Norbert Haug might not be such a good, obvious or even realistic candidate for FIA president.
Now where did I insult Haug apart from my harmless dig at his posture?

Or do you feel insulted because I chose not to read or react to your repetitive boohoo bad-Ferrari drivel which you feel the need to include in many a post here.


Well if you develop your argument against Haug then I'll read it with respect. "boohoo drivel" is insulting not developing an argument.

I don't mind Norbert being mocked a bit for being a pieman's dream customer.

And I don't bash off-topic in other threads.

So if you want to explain why Norbert wouldn't be a good choice, let's go...

#74 Sébastien

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 17:27

Originally posted by undersquare


Well if you develop your argument against Haug then I'll read it with respect. "boohoo drivel" is insulting not developing an argument.

The drivel is your continuous moaning about the FIA favouring Ferrari, not your opinion that Haug is third most qualified for FIA president.

As to why I think Norbert Haug would not be a very good, obvious or realistic choice for FIA president, I refer you to my earlier posts.

#75 undersquare

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 17:32

Originally posted by SĂ©bastien


As to why I think Norbert Haug would not be a very good, obvious or realistic choice for FIA president, I refer you to my earlier posts.


"A new FIA president should know the FIA like the back of his hand."

Is that it?

#76 Taxi

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 17:40

I would go with Damon Hill

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 17:41

Or Vatanen as he is from a small country and a very balanced man it seems

#78 Vitesse2

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 22:57

The job of FIA President encompasses a lot more than just sport. Overall, out of the names in the poll, I'd say the best candidate would be Sir Jackie Stewart: he has vast experience of both racing and road cars, excellent contacts and - generally - a very good record.

But there are three factors which would militate against him: his age (he's a year older than Max and will be 70 next year); his nationality (would the constituent clubs elect another Briton immediately after Max?) and finally his long association with Ford, which might bring accusations of bias.

I'd like to think Damon could do it, but he really doesn't have the necessary politicking experience - although he's making a good fist of it at the BRDC :up:

I have a feeling Jean Todt may be the anointed one ....

#79 KiwiF1

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 01:21

Originally posted by Taxi
I would go with Damon Hill


I quite like that idea, I think an ex racing driver who can handle themselves and keep an open mind. Can get their opinion across and who won't let the power go to their heads..... how about David Coulthard (I know he's not ex yet, but it can't be that far away)!!

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#80 Suntrek

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 03:58

Originally posted by nigel red5
'Other'

Pat Symonds.


:up:

I second that!

#81 David Beard

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 15:51

Gordon Murray

#82 sterling49

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 18:55

Originally posted by David Beard
Gordon Murray


:clap: seconded :clap: Inspired choice :up:

#83 MickyD

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 18:18

Originally posted by Owen
Tony Purnell?



Yes - he is THE man for the job

(What Jokers have voted for Anthony Hamilton? That's NEARLY as stupid as voting for Todt!)

#84 lukywill

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 18:20

just for the fashion idea of it: balestre jr.

(it could be mr prost.)

#85 glorius&victorius

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 19:16

I like this thread:

OK one man who understands what the fans would like to see, one man who is a business man, one man who knows everything about fast cars and glamour and parties. One man who's still young and could have the energy and drive to bring back F1 to the fans:

No... not flavio, he's too old.

EDDIE IRVINE

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 22:46

My vote would go to either Flavio Briatore or Ari Vatanen.

Flavio has the dynamism and drive, and would not be frightened of treading on people's toes to achieve his objectives.

Vatanen would be interesting - he has the political skills, and would also bring a non-F1 perspective to the role.

#87 BMW_F1

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 22:54

Originally posted by COUGAR508
My vote would go to either Flavio Briatore or Ari Vatanen.

Flavio has the dynamism and drive, and would not be frightened of treading on people's toes to achieve his objectives.

Vatanen would be interesting - he has the political skills, and would also bring a non-F1 perspective to the role.


Flavio as president.. :clap: :cool: - If we have it his way we'll have Kimi, Massa, Lewis and Kova starting at the back of the grid on every race. Giving this some thought it would make an exciting race to watch although almost impossible to put in practice. ;)

#88 Haddock

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 19:04

I think Peter Sauber would do a good job. Just a hunch - he always seemed one of the most down-to-earth F1 bosses in the business. More in control of his ego than most.

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 19:53

Boutros Boutros-Ghali - he knows nothing of motor racing, knows nobody in the sport, hasn't got an axe to grind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

#90 Craven Morehead

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 20:00

tony george

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 21:22

Originally posted by Craven Morehead
tony george


To run it into the ground you mean?

Peter Sauber would be a good choice, but I can't see him being up for it somehow.

How about one of the guys who invented the HANS device?

#92 jondon

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 23:47

Anthony Hamilton gets my vote!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#93 howardt

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:23

Probably of those on the list, the most sensible choice is the silliest one!
Ari Vatanen, Dave Richards, Malcolm Wilson.
Although I do quite like the Norbert Haug option as well.

#94 Sébastien

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 11:14

Yet another good reason to keep Max, it will keep Stoddart out. ;)

Stoddart said: "Just recently I looked at coming back (through Super Aguri) and I will probably look at it again if the opportunity comes. But the reality is it will be quite hard for me to come back if Max is still there."

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/65637

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 23:24

It's maybe time to reactivate this thread, instead of "polluting" that other one :D

At this moment two people come to my mind:
- Dave Richards, as the IMHO most capable 'professional choice'; but will he distance himself from Prodrive?
- Patrick Tambay, I don't know much about him but he somehow seems a good 'diplomatic choice' to me. He has driven for McLaren, Ferrari and Renault BTW!

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 02:32

Other... but I don't know who.

Of the options:

Bernie Ecclestone - wrong choice. It would be a conflict of interest and unethical.
Ron Dennis - Too polarizing of a figure.
Jean Todt - Bad optics considering his time at Ferrari.
Jackie Stewart - No. I respect him but he is not the right person.
Paul Stoddart - No way. I don't think an organization like the FIA could handle him :p
Ove Anderson - Nah...
Tony Blair - no comment
Anthony Hamilton - :rotfl:
Max Mosley - simply has to go. He is right (IMO) that what happened is a horrendous invasion of privacy. But the fact of the matter is that it *is* out and he has lost face. He cannot be viewed as credible. His arrogance since this broke (or the last 3-4 years for that matter) only confirms in my mind that he has to go.

Others mentioned:

Flavio - I'm not sure currently active team principles are a good idea... who says an F-1 principle is what the FIA needs? The position is more than about racing.
Tony Purnell - Too close to Mosley
David Richards - I'm not so sure... I think he should be given reign to run something like World Rally... but the whole FIA?

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 02:58

The only person on that list that is a real option is Jean Todt. He already as experience within the WMSC and General Assembly and would be a good replacement if it wasnt for the fact that the FIA Presidential position is unpaid. And really, for any decent candidates to come forward, the first thing the FIA needs to do is make the Presidential position a paying one.

The FIA president will come from within the FIA. I don't see any other option. My list of candidates would be:

Michael boeri (Head of the FIA Senate, FIA WMSC VP, Chairman of the Automobile Club de Monaco).

Marco Piccinini (FIA Deputy President, Former Ferrari Sporting Director)

Jean Todt - (Formerly Director of Ferrari, still holds a position on the FIA WMSC i believe)

Peter Meyer (Head of ADAC) - was the first to call for Mosley's resignation.

Alan Evans (Head of the Australian Automobile Association)



IMO, the most likely option is for Michael boeri to take over as caretaker president or maybe even for a full term until Jean Todt is ready to fill the position.

I also think either Peter Meyer or Alan Evens would be a good choice. both have doen extensive work with road safety and represent several million motorists. Either would bring a fresh change to the FIA presidency not seen for decades. both are experienced CEO's as well i believe.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 03:58

The nature of this forum and it's participants means the idea of Jean Todt or Piccininni being a possible contender could gather traction. Todt is nearly as ridiculous a choice as Ron Dennis and for the same reasons. Blinkered views based on years of being one-eyed ambitious achievers for their holy of holies surely disqualifies both.

I thought of the list, Jackie Stewart would be the best but some see him as eccentric and from another era. How quickly youth forgets recent/middle past. Stewart F1 became a GP winner in it's 4th year against the giants. Stewart understands commerce at the highest level as well as politics. His integrity goes without question and his commitment to the sport and the safety of it's drivers continues.

However I liked the suggestion of Ari Vatanen as he would bring a lot of political acumen to the job. A great guy by all accounts too.

Ah well - lets sit back and continue to watch the Maxxx apologists weave the webs around their feeble worldview. Just keep saying over and over "what I do in private is my own business" for long enough and you will believe this bit of mischievous nonsense. In politics and most avenues of public life, your private life is everyone's business. When you have made the number of enemies that Maxxx has it's a bit rich to think of your predicament as being hard done by. Even using the chinless stooges of the FIA to bolster his survival, Maxxx will be hard-pressed to prevent his demise despite his Houdini jobs of the past. :wave:

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 04:11

Originally posted by Muz Bee
The nature of this forum and it's participants means the idea of Jean Todt or Piccininni being a possible contender could gather traction. Todt is nearly as ridiculous a choice as Ron Dennis and for the same reasons. Blinkered views based on years of being one-eyed ambitious achievers for their holy of holies surely disqualifies both.

I thought of the list, Jackie Stewart would be the best but some see him as eccentric and from another era. How quickly youth forgets recent/middle past. Stewart F1 became a GP winner in it's 4th year against the giants. Stewart understands commerce at the highest level as well as politics. His integrity goes without question and his commitment to the sport and the safety of it's drivers continues.

However I liked the suggestion of Ari Vatanen as he would bring a lot of political acumen to the job. A great guy by all accounts too.


While i am by no means a 'fan' of Jean Todt's i think he has done a superb for the Scuderia. It seems, whatever job he takes on, he commits completely. While he was at Ferrari he will only do what is good for Ferrari. I think if he was head of the FIA, he would do what is good for the FIA. No doubt though, if he was elected, there would be a lot against it.

I too think Jackie Stewart would be a good option, he has good experiences and knows the sport very well. but i dont think he is a member of the FIA WMSC which would make it hard for him to step up.

Vatanen would be a good choice, especially with his recent foray into politics, but he has the same problem as JYS, not a member of the WMSC.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 12:41

hahahaha, and Max is leading the poll!!! (of the named one's) :up: :up: :up: