Kovalainen - hero or zero
#1
Posted 05 March 2008 - 23:05
Here's a poll about Heikkis chances. Discuss.
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#2
Posted 05 March 2008 - 23:27
#3
Posted 05 March 2008 - 23:28
#4
Posted 05 March 2008 - 23:28
#5
Posted 05 March 2008 - 23:30
He seems such a nice guy everyone wants him to do well, and I think he will. I don't feel he has the ultimate competitive edge to be a joint no1 with Hammy in the team, but I think he's grounded enough to fit in and let his driving do the talking.
#6
Posted 05 March 2008 - 23:32
i don't think he is loser, not at all. i would like he is chalenging lewis and even beating him in this season.
#7
Posted 05 March 2008 - 23:42
#8
Posted 06 March 2008 - 00:07
#9
Posted 06 March 2008 - 00:10
#10
Posted 06 March 2008 - 00:11
Not faster, but in the end mentally stronger than Lewis - because he knows his limits better.
#11
Posted 06 March 2008 - 00:25
obviously everyone is gonna be making all the right noises, but having managed to shuffle Alonso back down the grid, until 2009 at least, i just can't see Lewis being in any hurry to let Heiki get himself established and comfortable as a competitive rival. it's only natural.
it won't descend into the chaos of last year, i hope, but if Kovalainen doesn't establish himself straight out the box, he'll need to be careful getting swamped into a supporting act. stick it on the front row, and then we got ourselves a ball game.
... the Renault experience and the criticism from early last year was character building though, so maybe that'll help him be a mentally stronger proposition, and better able to work this problem.
#12
Posted 06 March 2008 - 00:29
Originally posted by Atreiu
I have no idea, but it is clear he improved during the season last year.
Agrees and this year will tell a lot.
#13
Posted 06 March 2008 - 00:31
It's too early to be sure though, I could be wrong.
#14
Posted 06 March 2008 - 00:57
Originally posted by scheivlak
Top 5 driver for sure.
Not faster, but in the end mentally stronger than Lewis - because he knows his limits better.
How do you know he is mentally stronger? I mean, he survived Alonso as a teammate in his rookie season. And Alonso was certainly not an easy going friendly chap who wanted to help Lewis as much as possible. Compare that to beating an unmotivated Fisichella...
And how can we know if Lewis is unaware of his limits? Does that refer to his last two races? There was no solid as rock and flawless pilot in 2007.
#15
Posted 06 March 2008 - 01:18
Out of the three or four McLaren seriously considered, so I suppose it's still quite high on the list of drivers who were available.Originally posted by kids like ash
well, it was made clear he was the person they least wanted to put in the car, but the fact they wanted to put him in the car at all is of his own doing, so in a way hes lucky but in reality he deserves it.
Still, Heikki had some good weekends last year, some not so much (mostly early in the season when he (and Renault!) were still adapting). I wouldn't be surprised if he can get a few good races in and be competitive at the front of the grid. The Renault team seemed quite impressed by him towards the end of the year, noting publicly how much he had improved.
#16
Posted 06 March 2008 - 01:48
#17
Posted 06 March 2008 - 03:55
When the season advanced he beat Fisi quite easily though... if that's any kind of measure of anything.
I think he's a solid driver, and if he plays his card well he'll inherit Coulthards role at McLaren. That means "good 2nd driver". I doubt he's in Kimi's or Alonso's level... there's a big difference being a solid driver and being a WDC contender.
He seems to be genuinely a nice guy. Nice guys rarely win the championships. That's an old cliché but it's so true... I could be wrong of course, we'll be much wiser after 5-6 races. If he beats Hamilton it will be quite a sensation... and very embarrassing one at that... at least to the British motorsport journalists.
#18
Posted 06 March 2008 - 07:00
Originally posted by BMW_F1
Kova is a good driver he was able to match fisi in the second half of the season however he didnt impress me at all as a great talent. I would take roseberg, vettel and kubica over him any day. Actually Mclaren tried to get them first but they failed.
Hmm, I thought Kova dominated Fisi in the 2nd half just like FA used to, actually. But Rosberg is most likely better. Kova is as deserving as any of the Mac seat though, even if the whole field was available. He has the talent, the question is how he will develop it over the next few years. Talent-wise I think he is roughly a Häkkinen, and he was good enough for Macca. But I repeat: we'll see if he makes use of his talent. We'll also see if he is a good fit at McLaren. As we've seen, not everyone are (Montoya, Alonso).
#19
Posted 06 March 2008 - 07:19
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#20
Posted 06 March 2008 - 08:02
#21
Posted 06 March 2008 - 08:11
Originally posted by Mika Mika
One thing last year showed was Heikki is consistant. His performance in Japan was fantastic!!!
Drive of the year. In the 4th best car that was set up for dry conditions... (Renault gambled in qualifying, didn't work. Maybe with a better setup Heikki would have won. He's the moral victor anyway, no Macca around after all.)
#22
Posted 06 March 2008 - 08:21
Originally posted by HSJ
Drive of the year. In the 4th best car that was set up for dry conditions... (Renault gambled in qualifying, didn't work. Maybe with a better setup Heikki would have won. He's the moral victor anyway, no Macca around after all.)
I agree, Kimi did a REALLY good job too, but that day I think Heikki did a better one, Kimi was in the fastest car after all and Heikki was in a Rubbish one, but still held Kimi off!!
#23
Posted 06 March 2008 - 09:19
Personality wise he seems like a very nice guy and I like him the most of all F1 drivers, so I hope he wins.;)
#24
Posted 06 March 2008 - 09:44
#25
Posted 06 March 2008 - 09:47
Originally posted by HSJ
Drive of the year. In the 4th best car that was set up for dry conditions... (Renault gambled in qualifying, didn't work. Maybe with a better setup Heikki would have won. He's the moral victor anyway, no Macca around after all.)
Lets not forget the freak accident ahead of him which retired two cars at the end. In reality he drove to 4th. He has talent but hes not freakish. Probably Kimi level.
#26
Posted 06 March 2008 - 09:53
#27
Posted 06 March 2008 - 10:01
Originally posted by Durant
Lets not forget the freak accident ahead of him which retired two cars at the end. In reality he drove to 4th. He has talent but hes not freakish. Probably Kimi level.
That is kind of reassuring as it implies Heikki should have no trouble seeing off the likes of Alonso....
#28
Posted 06 March 2008 - 10:02
Originally posted by Mika Mika
One thing last year showed was Heikki is consistant. His performance in Japan was fantastic!!!
Shame he didn't finish the final race otherwise he would have finished every GP in his rookie year. "Not bad for a rookie"
;)
I think HK will be quick, but Hamilton will out-race him. Perhaps a similar performance difference as seen with Massa/Kimi in 2007...?
#29
Posted 06 March 2008 - 10:58
#30
Posted 06 March 2008 - 12:54
Originally posted by Durant
Lets not forget the freak accident ahead of him which retired two cars at the end. In reality he drove to 4th. He has talent but hes not freakish. Probably Kimi level.
Wasn't it the same race where Fernando put his equipment to the wall.
So, I would say that luckily Heiki did not drove like a champion on that day...
They are all heros for me.
#31
Posted 06 March 2008 - 13:01
Originally posted by Hacklerf
HK will beat Hamilton, you will see
And KR too.
#32
Posted 06 March 2008 - 13:04
#33
Posted 06 March 2008 - 14:05
Originally posted by Orin
Where's the too early to tell option? He looked very promising after a difficult start in the Renault, my guess is he could well be in the top five, but it's a bit early to judge.
I agree. It'll be interesting to see how team dynamics work if he were to beat Lewis on a consistent basis. He really has a great opportunity to shine this year and beat someone who took it to a 2 time champ last year. I hope he does well and is given every chance to prove himself.
#34
Posted 06 March 2008 - 14:21
#35
Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:07
Very intresting dual, i would say.
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:45
#37
Posted 06 March 2008 - 18:02
#38
Posted 06 March 2008 - 18:09
Just throwin' that out there...
#39
Posted 06 March 2008 - 19:06
Now that everyone is repeating the same for Heikki, I would suggest that they not be so confident. Heikki in my opinion will surprise Hamilton on more than one occasion and I think the pairing could be like Kimi/Massa in 07.
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#40
Posted 06 March 2008 - 20:40
You mean Vettel? Excuse me but how did he do a better job than Heikki? Pity for Webber but kudos for Heikki for staying out of trouble, as usuallyOriginally posted by Durant
Lets not forget the freak accident ahead of him which retired two cars at the end. In reality he drove to 4th. He has talent but hes not freakish. Probably Kimi level.
#41
Posted 06 March 2008 - 22:26
Originally posted by The Big Guns
Topic title is completely non-indicative of topic subject.
Just throwin' that out there...
There's no limits to how anal people can be in an internet forum.
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 22:40
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 22:51
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 22:54
#45
Posted 06 March 2008 - 23:27
Originally posted by kids like ash
if he isnt a top 5 driver i find your opinion quite contradicting, on one hand your saying he will match lewis, and on the other he isnt a top 5 driver, if he isnt a top 5 driver he will not match lewis.
Well, let's see if I can explain it better.
It would be possible that I wouldn't consider Lewis to be a top 5, but I actually do judging only his rookie season. However, some drivers turn out to be dissapointments and others good surprises. Lewis had a terrific start in F1, but in the end, he wasn't able to cope with the pressure. This year he won't drive as relaxed as he did last year. This time everyone is expecting him to be dominant and the only competition to Ferrari. It's difficult to predict how will he react to this, it's hard to know by now if he is more mature and able to manage this situation. It's possible that he will underperform this year.
About Kova, well, he struggled a lot in the start of 2007, but he recovered throughout the season and did impress me ocasionally. Still, a top 5 list is purely for elite drivers, too restrictive. If someone asked me to name the best 5 drivers in F1, his name wouldn't come to my mind before Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton, Rosberg, Massa, Heidfeld, and even more guys like Vettel, Kubica, Sutil could compete for his place. But still, I think Kova is a very good driver, and will be eager to make the most of this chance of being in one of the best cars, possibly becoming a top 5 driver in the process, but, right now, I wouldn't rate him that high.
So, to sum it up, and this is obviously a lot of speculation from me, but it's possible that Lewis will not be at the level he was last year, and that Heikki, now without the pressure that comes with replacing a WDC, and being thought by everyone as a 2nd driver for Hamilton, can reveal himself as a top driver. Pretty much like Massa did last year, for instance.
#46
Posted 06 March 2008 - 23:42
Indeed, but Heikki showed a refreshing amount of self-criticism - rather more than Lews allowed himself to show.Originally posted by Atreiu
And how can we know if Lewis is unaware of his limits? Does that refer to his last two races? There was no solid as rock and flawless pilot in 2007.
#47
Posted 07 March 2008 - 18:39
Does his head block the Mercs air intake?
#48
Posted 07 March 2008 - 18:43
#49
Posted 07 March 2008 - 19:35
Originally posted by Cotchin
Heiki's the only guy to ever beat Fisi on BS
And this is supposed to prove?
#50
Posted 07 March 2008 - 20:14
So basically HK was driving for his next years job in every single GP under a lot of pressure, still keeping the car on track and driving well.