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#1 Most Fastest

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 22:33

autosport has an article about Stoddart considering a return to F1 (inluding a bid he considered for Super Aguri), despite him finding everything still wrong with the sport.

Now, F1 is far from perfect (the fact that one old greedy bastard owns the damn thing is wrong in itself.....it should be, like any sport of substance, independent, like FIFA for football, ATP for tennis, etc.), but I must confess, I rather have F1's imprefections than stoddart around again. In the many years I followed F1, I can't recall a more annyoing, whiny team owner/manager ever. Can he pretty please stay over to the US and annoy the living crap out of IRL fans for another few years rather than making a come back???

Am I the only one that finds his approach to otherwise sensible matters totally annyoing???

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#2 512 TR

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 22:34

Oh no, here we go again...

#3 Domination

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 22:35

Originally posted by Most Fastest
autosport has an article about Stoddart considering a return to F1 (inluding a bid he considered for Super Aguri), despite him finding everything still wrong with the sport.

Now, F1 is far from perfect (the fact that one old greedy bastard owns the damn thing is wrong in itself.....it should be, like any sport of substance, independent, like FIFA for football, ATP for tennis, etc.), but I must confess, I rather have F1's imprefections than stoddart around again. In the many years I followed F1, I can't recall a more annyoing, whiny team owner/manager ever. Can he pretty please stay over to the US and annoy the living crap out of IRL fans for another few years rather than making a come back???

Am I the only one that finds his approach to otherwise sensible matters totally annyoing???


As far as I am concerned, the more the merrier.

#4 metz

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 22:38

Paul. . . I miss him so..... :smoking:

#5 quasi C

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 22:43

Is he the guy that said the 2005 regulations were written by 18 people from Ferrari? It was in old issue of F1 Racing.

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 22:50

Originally posted by quasi C
Is he the guy that said the 2005 regulations were written by 18 people from Ferrari? It was in old issue of F1 Racing.


Only 18? Are you sure? :p

#7 Scudetto

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 22:56

Originally posted by quasi C
Is he the guy that said the 2005 regulations were written by 18 people from Ferrari? It was in old issue of F1 Racing.


Yep, spent weeks complaining that he couldn't assemble 2005 compliant cars but, after exhausting all avenues by the end of Friday on the race weekend in Melbourne, managed to do exactly that -- overnight in the pit garage. Probably cost him more in legal fees challenging his need to comply than it cost to actually make the cars compliant.

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 23:00

Welcome back Stoddy! Worth 1,000 John Howetts any day.

I wonder if Bernie wants him back?

#9 Most Fastest

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 23:05

i don't want him back.......I could never stand the bloke......I always felt he was the little guy who went to play ball with the older boys and then started crying because they never passed him the ball......... It's F1, for Pete's sake. Can you see VJ crying because Force India is at the back? no, he works on spending his resources intelligently. If one doesn't have the deep pockets or the ability to attract mega sponsors like McLaren, Williams or Ferrari, maybe they should consider IRL or GP2 instead, rather than annoy everyone with his conspiracy theories....yes, Paul, Ferrari is out there trying to screw you.......Jean Todt didn't sleep at night just to get you.....no, he wasn't worried about Dennis or Briatore, it was you, Paul Almighty he was scared off...... :rotfl:

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 00:01

Paul effin Stoddart, the whiner, beggar and the guy who managed to retire the Minardi name :evil:

Thank God that we have Mr Mosley keeping that p.o.s. away from F1 for now.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 02:16

so he's sick of tooling around at the back in IRL and now he wants to tool around at the back in F1

keep out Paul - you can't play with the big boys :down:

#12 Lazarus II

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 02:24

Please come back Paul :clap: :clap:

#13 armchair expert

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 03:04

I'd rather Stoddart than those mystery men from Midland. Wtf were they and what were they doing in Formula 1?????
For all his faults and whinging, he wants to race, that's good enough for me.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 03:28

Stoddy is great 'cause he won't stand to be the bum boy of Max and Bernie. Bring 'em on.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 03:33

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
Stoddy is great 'cause he won't stand to be the bum boy of Max and Bernie. Bring 'em on.

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My sentiments.

VIVA LE STODDART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:21

Bring back Paul I say. He may have stirred up some things while he was in F1 but that was because he told the truth.. which in these days of people like Hamilton talking BS is refreshing. Bring back Paul! :clap:

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:23

Originally posted by Most Fastest
i don't want him back.......I could never stand the bloke......I always felt he was the little guy who went to play ball with the older boys and then started crying because they never passed him the ball......... It's F1, for Pete's sake. Can you see VJ crying because Force India is at the back? no, he works on spending his resources intelligently. If one doesn't have the deep pockets or the ability to attract mega sponsors like McLaren, Williams or Ferrari, maybe they should consider IRL or GP2 instead, rather than annoy everyone with his conspiracy theories....yes, Paul, Ferrari is out there trying to screw you.......Jean Todt didn't sleep at night just to get you.....no, he wasn't worried about Dennis or Briatore, it was you, Paul Almighty he was scared off...... :rotfl:


yes and we should all just accept what we're told to do and never speak up.

personally i think he made it all a bit more exciting to watch and did his best to chage the sport for what he thought was better... note i didn't say better, just what he thought was better.

#18 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:26

Yes, what we need is someone who is known for his soundbites instead of his contribution to F1. If you want oneliners, you might as well hire me.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:43

Originally posted by Most Fastest
autosport has an article about Stoddart considering a return to F1 (inluding a bid he considered for Super Aguri), despite him finding everything still wrong with the sport.

Now, F1 is far from perfect (the fact that one old greedy bastard owns the damn thing is wrong in itself.....it should be, like any sport of substance, independent, like FIFA for football, ATP for tennis, etc.), but I must confess, I rather have F1's imprefections than stoddart around again. In the many years I followed F1, I can't recall a more annyoing, whiny team owner/manager ever. Can he pretty please stay over to the US and annoy the living crap out of IRL fans for another few years rather than making a come back???

Am I the only one that finds his approach to otherwise sensible matters totally annyoing???


Whether you like him or not, he has made a bigger contribution to F1 than you would ever be willing to do. At least he was willing to stump up his own money and have a go. I'd rather have someone like him anyday rather than a whiney forumer.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:44

Well he nearly cost Australia its GP in 2005, maybe bringing him back could be Bernie's secret weapon to drive a final nail in to Melbourne's coffin.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:48

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Yes, what we need is someone who is known for his soundbites instead of his contribution to F1. If you want oneliners, you might as well hire me.


Actually you do fit that mould quite well, oneliners rather than contribution.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:53

He probably would have accomplished more than David Richards and Prodrive, if he had been given the chance (if he wanted it) for the final place on the grid.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 10:09

I think he actually applied for that slot didn't he?

But Max took one look at the application and sat at his desk stroking his cat and cackling evilly :p

#24 Owen

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 10:51

There may now be a vacancy he could apply for

#25 HP

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 11:14

Didn't they ban tobacco ads? No way they can allow him back :p

#26 metz

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 12:30

Originally posted by SĂ©bastien
Paul effin Stoddart, the whiner, beggar and the guy who managed to retire the Minardi name :evil:

How wrong can you be... :drunk:

He was the last one to KEEP it.

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#27 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 12:46

Minardi have only had one owner since they were purchased?

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 12:47

Originally posted by kar
Well he nearly cost Australia its GP in 2005, maybe bringing him back could be Bernie's secret weapon to drive a final nail in to Melbourne's coffin.

I wouldn't worry about that: it looks like Sydney's stealing it anyway.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 12:51

Originally posted by metz

How wrong can you be... :drunk:

He was the last one to KEEP it.

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You're talking about Jordan ;)

That edit was fast :p

#30 metz

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 13:10

That's cause I have guys like you and Ross to keep me honest...;)

#31 UPRC

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 13:30

Hey, I'm all for Stoddart returning to F1. F1 needs more lively characters.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 14:27

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
Stoddy is great 'cause he won't stand to be the bum boy of Max and Bernie. Bring 'em on.

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:up:

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 14:40

Anything to break up the corporate and political boredom that enshrouds what used to be called a sport. Personally I like Stoddard; and if people stopped to listen to what he really had to say, they would find that he was extremely canny and knowledgeable, even if he was in the end no match for Il Principe.

#34 pUs

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 14:54

Please, no.. :

Edit: But he was quite funny at one of the press conferences in Canada 2003 (?) I think. One of the best press conferences in modern time :D

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 20:50

I'd quite like to see Stoddart back in F1 in some capacity - as a team owner or perhaps even a future FIA president!* :cool:

It's refreshing to see someone in F1 who isn't a PR-trained corporate 'yes' man. We need a someone with backbone to stand up to the Max & Bernie.


(* He'd certainly be a better President than Max. At least Stoddart tried to find a solution so that the fans could watch a race at 2005 US Grand Prix rather than being bloody minded and on insisting on a 6-car shambles)

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 21:23

I want 30 cars fighting for 26 grid slots.
So I wouldn't mind him back.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 01:25

Why is it that nearly all of those who oppose Stoddart in this thread are... Ferrari fans :confused:

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 01:38

Originally posted by Raelene
so he's sick of tooling around at the back in IRL and now he wants to tool around at the back in F1


:evil: He's not had a team in the IRL, Minardi USA were in Champ Car and had a very successful season.



I'd rather Stoddart than Mosley any day of the week. :)

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 01:53

I like stoddy, he speaks up and usually it isn't putrid garbage (i.e flava flav)

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 02:13

vive stoddart!

a self-made man with strong opinions and no regard for or fear of the powers that be ... F1 needs more like him.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 02:30

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Yes, what we need is someone who is known for his soundbites instead of his contribution to F1. If you want oneliners, you might as well hire me.

Don't you work for Autosport already?! :p

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 02:48

While I don't think teams need to spend the money they did in those days, Paul Stoddart also needed to learn that you can't make a back-row team into a winner without serious investment.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 05:14

Originally posted by VresiBerba
Why is it that nearly all of those who oppose Stoddart in this thread are... Ferrari fans :confused:

Personally I want to see more racing on the track, not more politics.

IMO Stoddart made a lot of noises because he wasn't able to shell out enough money to bring Minardi forward. I do like people like Stoddart who say how they see it, with the huge exception, I prefer it when they know when to shut up and spend efforts which bring the team forward on their own merit.

Do you believe for a second that Ron Dennis would have brought McLaren to were they are today (as a company) with talking like Stoddart did? I'm not a fan of Ron Dennis either, but I clearly see (and can appreciate) why McLaren has become a top team, and Stoddart finally sold up Minardi.

And if that is not enough, see at Stoddarts recent pullout of his team (at least for this year) from the IRL Champ Car merger. Think about it. There he even has the chance to shape the future of the reunited series, and what does he do, he pulls out because his team (understandably) can't be competitive this year. But how do you think his team will fare, after some time off? Better than it would be this year? Don't think so. And if he isn't prepared to help shape the future of North American Open Wheel Car Racing, what were his past suggestions in F1 all about?

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 06:22

Paul Stoddart needs to stay the hell away from F1. The guy has only just left Keith Wiggins and all of their employees in the lurch over in the States because he doesn't want to run at the back in the IRL. What the hell does that say about the man's commitment when the going gets even slightly tough?

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 08:09

Originally posted by Burai
Paul Stoddart needs to stay the hell away from F1. The guy has only just left Keith Wiggins and all of their employees in the lurch over in the States because he doesn't want to run at the back in the IRL. What the hell does that say about the man's commitment when the going gets even slightly tough?


Nice of you to single him out of the pack of Champ Car teams that are not going to the IRL.

#46 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 08:14

Everyone else wanted to be there but couldn't afford it. He was going off on "boo hoo I've tasted victory I don't want to be on the back of the grid"

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 21:26

Originally posted by The Big Guns


Nice of you to single him out of the pack of Champ Car teams that are not going to the IRL.


Yeah. Imagine that. Talking about Paul Stoddart in a thread about Paul Stoddart. What I should have been doing is talking about Derek Walker and Gerry Forsythe who have absolutely nothing to do with this story whatsoever.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 21:32

Originally posted by Burai
Paul Stoddart needs to stay the hell away from F1. The guy has only just left Keith Wiggins and all of their employees in the lurch over in the States because he doesn't want to run at the back in the IRL. What the hell does that say about the man's commitment when the going gets even slightly tough?


It's nowhere near as simple as that. The person you should be condemning is Kevin Kalkhoven who condemned a lot of people to joblessness because he threw a hissy fit over something really silly.
Stoddart signed up for champ car not for the IRL, if he wanted to be there he would have signed up for there.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 21:52

Originally posted by blackgerby


It's nowhere near as simple as that. The person you should be condemning is Kevin Kalkhoven who condemned a lot of people to joblessness because he threw a hissy fit over something really silly.
Stoddart signed up for champ car not for the IRL, if he wanted to be there he would have signed up for there.


The Champ Car he signed up for hasn't disappeared. It's merged and everyone else involved in it is trying their hardest to make this work for the sole reason that they love their sport. Some have failed, but only one man is bailing out by choice in spite of having the money to keep his team going.

It's just so very typical of him. He doesn't get his way so he makes a big noise and leaves everyone else to clean up after him.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 10:31

Originally posted by Raelene
so he's sick of tooling around at the back in IRL and now he wants to tool around at the back in F1

keep out Paul - you can't play with the big boys :down:

Ah yes, that famous "3rd in the championship in CCWS" tooling around. He's never entered a single IRL race. Ever.