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#1 niallmckiernan

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:31

Grid places 17th-22nd are as follows after Q3:

17 G. Fisichella - 1:27.207
18 S. Bourdais - 1:27.446
19 A. Sutil - 1:27.859
20 T. Sato - 1:28.208
21 N. Piquet - 1:28.330
22 A. Davidson - 1:29.059

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#2 shonguiz

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:35

Webber out, red flag.

#3 Looserke

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:38

and Kimi is banned from Q!

#4 niallmckiernan

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:39

kimi banned or car trouble?

#5 travbrad

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:43

Both it would seem :( His bad luck strikes again

Edit: Webber went off from possible brake failure...my fav 2 drivers are done :|

#6 niallmckiernan

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:44

alonso, trulli, glock, nakajima leaving it late to go out

#7 niallmckiernan

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:49

alonso 12th :cry:

#8 Atreiu

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:50

Should Kimi gor for a one stopper? The lack of TC should make things harder for the tyres.

#9 Looserke

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:50

Hamilton :cool:

#10 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:51

Originally posted by niallmckiernan
alonso 12th :cry:


An accurate representation of ability perhaps?  ;)

#11 shonguiz

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:53

BMW you did it.

#12 berto

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:53

Just look at the wasted Hondas, they are not making a bad figure at all!! Go Rubens!!!

#13 Looserke

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:53

Honda :up:

supprise

#14 i.am.cloned

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 03:59

Ferrari look like they are neither relaible nor really fast in first qualification of the season!

#15 travbrad

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:02

Great job from Rosberg and Vettel, BMW looks very fast as well

#16 niallmckiernan

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:07

Originally posted by V8 Fireworks


An accurate representation of ability perhaps?  ;)


put hamilton in that donkey of a car and see how he performs.

And anyway your going to witness Alonso transform that donkey into a stallion throughout the season

#17 JazH

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:08

Heads will roll at Ferrari. Very disappointing performance.

#18 Lada Lover

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:09

Good session. I think any of the top 5 can win tomorrow.

Toyota impressed.

#19 Johny Bravo

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:10

Ferrari surprises both speed and reliability wise. Negatively. :down:

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#20 schuey100

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:10

Sebastian is a hero! :clap: He could have got higher up on the grid but obviously looking towards the race.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:10

Kimi's only hope for win is safety car at the very right moment. I hope start goes well.
Last year Massa went 22.->6. and there was no safety car if I remember right.

Fuel loads total unknown at top10....

Steady work from Heikki.

Kubica fast as winter showed, one of drivers who benefited the new ECU.


#22 F1 Engineer

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:11

Originally posted by i.am.cloned
Ferrari look like they are neither relaible nor really fast in first qualification of the season!

That is definitely something that's caught us out over the Winter. And this at Melbourne, where Ferrari normally show very well.

Lets wait until tomorrow though, when fuel loads are revealed, you never know, Massa may have gone tremendously heavy and those in front of him extremely light - I doubt it, but it could happen.

#23 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:11

So BMW and McLaren are speedsters, Ferrari are lagging, and Williams-Toyota and Toyota to collect the rest of the points.

Season solved. :up: Excellent.

#24 airwise

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:12

Originally posted by niallmckiernan


put hamilton in that donkey of a car and see how he performs.

And anyway your going to witness Alonso transform that donkey into a stallion throughout the season


Me thinks he'll need more than the fabled six tenths. Wierd how he couldn't provide that ahead of the start of the season. And all the talk

:rotfl:

#25 Domination

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:12

Hi guys, you do know there is a dedicated thread for this
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=99985

#26 vaavu

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:13

My prediction about the biggest negative surprise turned out to be true: Ferrari. :eek:

#27 Nobody

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:13

So close for Kubica, he would have been on pole, I hope all his detractors will finally begin to have some second thoughts, he is quick no doubt (as is that BMW).

Nice job Lewis, Kova settling in well too. :up:

#28 i.am.cloned

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:13

Originally posted by jokuvaan
Kimi's only hope for win is safety car at the very right moment. I hope start goes well.

It's Massa'a hope, Kimi's hope is the next race.

#29 former champ

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:15

Hamilton great lap to take pole. Thought Kubica would do it though, still a great 2nd even with that off. :up:

Raikkonen purely unlucky, Massa was right up there but abandoned his last tilt at pole. Think Ferrari have plenty of pace, today just didn't work out for them. Reliability still an issue though.

Alonso was disappointing but clearly Renault lack pace over a lap. I expect him to have a far better run tomorrow. Piquet? Not good.....

#30 niallmckiernan

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:17

Originally posted by airwise


Me thinks he'll need more than the fabled six tenths. Wierd how he couldn't provide that ahead of the start of the season. And all the talk

:rotfl:


He qualified 13th for the australian gp in '05. that season turned out ok!;)

#31 cartman

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:19

Congratulations to Hamilton! :up:
Kubica! :eek: That could be Pole on pole without the mistake. BMW may well win a race this year. :up:
Kovalainen :up: Solid start with the team
Ferrari :down: WTF slow and unreliable. Doesn't look good :(
Trulli - standard :up:
Glock - also solid start with the team :up:

Renault are in deep s***
Piquet even deeper

#32 pacwest

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:20

Robert "McRae" Kubica. :cool:

#33 travbrad

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:20

Originally posted by JazH
Heads will roll at Ferrari. Very disappointing performance.


But..but the media said they were the fastest. Surely they can't be wrong?;)

#34 Jacquesback

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:22

Hamilton. :smoking:

Ferrari. :rotfl:

#35 Will

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:22

I remember Hamilton saying a while back that Kubica would be his biggest challenger in the future. It's making more sense now :)

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:24

Originally posted by travbrad


But..but the media said they were the fastest. Surely they can't be wrong?;)


They are. Massa is no good with no toys and Kimi had reliability problems. I am no Kimi fan, but I expect him to win in the end.

#37 primer

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:24

Lewis was so smooth on his final lap, not making errors (ref. Kubica) seems like a good way to get pole in post TC era. Lewis easily the favorite to win.

Piquet and Nakajima are living on borrowed time.

Toyota have taken a step forward, Renault backwards.

Damage limitation exercise for Kimi, Massa should try and finish on podium.

#38 Durant

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:24

Alonso will be much stronger in the race as long as he can make it through the first lap safely. He will be super heavy. Looks like Kimi ran out of fuel what a joke. Should be a gifted victory for Hamilton.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:25

Originally posted by cartman
Ferrari :down: WTF slow and unreliable. Doesn't look good :(


a bit dramatic, don't you think? Ok reliability is lacking but Massa was right behind Hamilton before the last flyers then backed off on his last tilt as it wasn't going to be enough. They have speed and I'm thinking their race pace will be superior tomorrow. Whether Massa or Raikkonen win though is another matter, Felipe seems best placed.

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#40 Slowinfastout

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:26

The onboard shots are quite shocking,, the McLaren is on rails and the Ferrari drivers are sawing at the wheel..
Massa especially looks like his early days at Sauber... :stoned:

#41 StefanV

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:26

Kimi would have been allowed to push the car himself? Sloppy there by Ferrari.

#42 Mika Mika

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:27

Originally posted by F1 Engineer

That is definitely something that's caught us out over the Winter. And this at Melbourne, where Ferrari normally show very well.

Lets wait until tomorrow though, when fuel loads are revealed, you never know, Massa may have gone tremendously heavy and those in front of him extremely light - I doubt it, but it could happen.


Yea well see tommorow, at the mo looks like Ferrari were showboating though the winter a little...

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:27

Originally posted by Josta
They are. Massa is no good with no toys


Christ. Good to see everyone is an expert after the first qualy session of the season is done. What makes you think Massa is no good without the toys? He qualified 4th and could easily have been quicker, nor do we know how much fuel he has. He backed off on his last run.

Had Raikkonen been untroubled he would have been right there too.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:28

I'd like t give credit to Sato - managing to beat a Renault (albeit one that is struggling) with the lack of testing on that car is a great effort. He beat his team-mate easily too, and wasn't far off Sutil. :up: :up:

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:29

Big :up: to Kubica, even if he made a costy mistake. I reckon he is 2-3 laps lighter than Hamilton.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:29

Originally posted by cartman
Ferrari :down: WTF slow and unreliable. Doesn't look good :(


It looked like fuel starvation started the problem with pump, really they just ran out of fuel although blame might be placed elsewhere. :blush:

They aren't that slow either, it will be close with Mclaren all the way.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:29

Originally posted by Mika Mika


Yea well see tommorow, at the mo looks like Ferrari were showboating though the winter a little...


Or perhaps not, I think the car has great potential, just I think the setup went completely wrong yesterday practise and went down hill from there...

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:30

Originally posted by StefanV
Kimi would have been allowed to push the car himself? Sloppy there by Ferrari.

I think pushing by the driver isnt allowed anymore for some years now (safety issue).

#49 Mika Mika

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:30

Originally posted by former champ


Christ. Good to see everyone is an expert after the first qualy session of the season is done. What makes you think Massa is no good without the toys? He qualified 4th and could easily have been quicker, nor do we know how much fuel he has. He backed off on his last run.

Had Raikkonen been untroubled he would have been right there too.



Maybe, but that ferrari look like a handfull to drive, i said the same in the pratice's too, now they have the bimmers to worry about too...

#50 primer

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:32

Originally posted by StefanV
Kimi would have been allowed to push the car himself? Sloppy there by Ferrari.


Usually (fat) marshalls push it in, perhaps they were waiting for the session to end? But the car was creating a bottleneck in that thin lane. Track workers certainly saved some calories there!