Silverstone in 1973
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Posted 27 November 2003 - 08:43
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Posted 27 November 2003 - 08:51
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Posted 27 November 2003 - 10:40
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Posted 27 November 2003 - 10:51
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Posted 27 November 2003 - 11:25
#6
Posted 27 November 2003 - 14:09
Emerson had a big accident in Holland but I don’t recall if that was before or after the British GP, if the British GP took place after the accident in Holland Maria-Helena's reaction is understandable but if not she must have lived fear, but that not the impression you get when you looked at her. By the way where was Emerson in all this, as I recall he was not involved in the accident.
kind regards
#7
Posted 27 November 2003 - 17:30
Warren
#8
Posted 28 November 2003 - 06:34
John Surtees: "That man has just wiped out my entire Formula 1 team."
I wonder if that is the original quote or the one after the swear words have been removed.
#9
Posted 28 November 2003 - 08:56
Originally posted by Pedro 917
I believe that Beltoise or De Adamich was injured.
Andrea suffered multiple leg injuries.
#10
Posted 28 November 2003 - 11:47
Originally posted by d.c.a. mulcahy
In Formula 1 - The Autobiography edited by Gerry Donaldson there is a great quote:
John Surtees: "That man has just wiped out my entire Formula 1 team."
I wonder if that is the original quote or the one after the swear words have been removed.
...actually a surprisingly good book, I got a copy for 15 quid (rrp 35) the other weekend - some nice pictures and quite a few quotes I'd not previously seen. Design's a bit fussy, but on the whole I like it a lot - it's not too wrapped up in the post-Senna era, as many mass-market F1 books are.
#11
Posted 28 November 2003 - 13:26
#12
Posted 28 November 2003 - 13:59
Nope. The race was restarted over the full distance and the first start was ignored. The remaining cars reformed on the grid in their original positions.Originally posted by maxie
IIRC, the classification for that race was based on aggregate times, right?
#13
Posted 18 July 2004 - 21:18
I'm pretty sure it was Revson who clipped Scheckter's wing, and when it came down to earth it so very nearly hit James Hunt full in the face. As it was it hit his airbox, which is why he was using a different style [yellow] spare from Beuttler's team for the restart (below - sorry about the quality!). Pleas note; a BRM (Lauda) is second.
And, contrary to popular belief, it was the massive impact into the back of Beltoise's BRM which broke de Adamich's ankle, not contact with the sleepers. I've got a bit of Belty's P160 oil rad fairing from that day...
Twinny
#14
Posted 18 July 2004 - 22:05
Originally posted by Twin Window
And, contrary to popular belief, it was the massive impact into the back of Beltoise's BRM which broke de Adamich's ankle, not contact with the sleepers. I've got a bit of Belty's P160 oil rad fairing from that day...
Twinny
As a Johnny Cash fan I'm forced to ask, are you going for a "One Piece At A Time" approach to building an F1 car?;)
http://www.toptown.c...66/onepiece.htm
#15
Posted 18 July 2004 - 23:12
Yes, as it's the only avenue left open to me!Originally posted by petefenelon
As a Johnny Cash fan I'm forced to ask, are you going for a "One Piece At A Time" approach to building an F1 car?;)
Unfortunately, I had to sell my 'bigger bits' in '77 which can be seen here - with relevant explanations.
So, I've got to start again with my 'small bits' , all of which can be seen here - with their backgrounds.
Please, everybody; feel free to send me any unwanted bits for this thankless (and equally hopeless) task.
Twinny
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Posted 19 July 2004 - 01:00
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Posted 19 July 2004 - 01:24
It might even be true ....
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Posted 19 July 2004 - 01:54
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Posted 19 July 2004 - 09:46
David
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#20
Posted 19 July 2004 - 12:10
I was at that race too and I enjoyed it immensely. One of the best GPs I have ever seen in situ. I've never really understood all the palaver about Peterson that weekend, when Stewart and Revson proved themselves to faster. How come Reutemann was third after the first start? He must have made a scorcher. What was his grid position?
My abiding memories from that meeting: Niki Lauda in the lead after the restart in a BRM. JYS combine harvesting. The Brodie-Matthews incident, which happened not far from where I was standing.
Edward.
#21
Posted 19 July 2004 - 14:34
Originally posted by Twin Window
...I don't remember anyone ever mentioning Rikki von Opel, who had suffered a burst water pipe or similar on the Ensign. By the time he got to Copse, he was standing up in the cockpit...!
Twinny
I've always wondered why Rikki hastily unfastened his seatbelt and stood up in the cockpit.
Another mistery solved by TNF
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Posted 19 July 2004 - 16:10
#23
Posted 19 July 2004 - 16:10
Originally posted by Vitesse2
[B...I don't think the red went out until they were already through Abbey and accelerating down towards Woodcote again .... [/B]
I was near Abbey, and although we could tell that something had occurred at the end of the first lap from the frantic but unclear commentary (when will Silverstone improve their PA systems?), I don't recall any flags being shown as JYS went by flat out.
#24
Posted 19 July 2004 - 21:14
Hey; mine were taken on a Polaroid Instamatic, which I got free with a rather large (and suitably overpriced) bag of 'Liquorice Allsorts' circa 1969! I didn't get my Zenit E for another four years...Originally posted by David Lawson
I was at Becketts in 73 and my view of the first lap and the re-started opening lap are here in my very dodgy quality b&w photos taken on my trusty ZenithE...
And just in case anyone missed it, that's a BRM in second place... (but, sadly, my semi-orgasmic state on the day wasn't to last too long : )
Twinny
Bring back the 70s! (please)
#25
Posted 20 July 2004 - 06:09
Edward
#26
Posted 20 July 2004 - 08:50
Twinny
#27
Posted 20 July 2004 - 12:28
No he didn't. I've just checked my 1973 Autocourse, and Lauda never led that race. I could have sworn that he did. Obviously father time playing tricks with the old memory and a bit of wishful thinking thrown in there too!!
Apologies.
Edward.
#28
Posted 20 July 2004 - 13:37
Originally posted by SEdward
Errr...
No he didn't. I've just checked my 1973 Autocourse, and Lauda never led that race. I could have sworn that he did. Obviously father time playing tricks with the old memory and a bit of wishful thinking thrown in there too!!
Apologies.
Edward.
Edward. Did you not attend the 1973 race of Champions at Brand's Hatch , by chance ? That may be where the confusion originates.....it was my first ever F1 race , and I very much remember that in fact two BRM's led the race , after "taking" the lead from Peterson ( well , he retired, in fact....) ....but it was Beltoise who led from Niki for a couple of laps , and then Lauda took the lead when Beltoise had a puncture.
Same players , but different race....
#29
Posted 20 July 2004 - 13:48
Yup. I was there.
Beltoise certainly led that race from pole position, but I don't think that Lauda ever did. Anyway, it was a good one, with Gethin's F5000 car coming home first (he took the lead at Paddock Bend on the last lap!) just ahead of Hulme and F1 débutant, James Hunt.
Edward
#30
Posted 20 July 2004 - 15:12
So was I; it was a great weekend wasn't it! Remember the grid...?Originally posted by SEdward
Yup. I was there.
1/ Beltoise BRM
2/ Lauda BRM
3/ Schuppan BRM
Deep, deep joy..!
Twinny
#31
Posted 20 July 2004 - 15:24
It was, indeed, a fine event. As was the International Trophy, just a couple of weeks later. Mike the Bike could (should) have won both of them.
Edward.
#33
Posted 21 July 2004 - 09:28
Originally posted by Twin Window
So was I; it was a great weekend wasn't it! Remember the grid...?
1/ Beltoise BRM
2/ Lauda BRM
3/ Schuppan BRM
Deep, deep joy..!
Twinny
.......Vern Schuppan who left the track at Clearways and smacked the Armco-lined earthbank a hefty blow , right where I was spectating.....I was quite shocked by the strength and noise of the impact ! I still clearly remember him wildly shaking the wheel of his understeering BRM ( you could still see a tiny bit of the driver's arms or hands then ...) , hopelessly trying to get the car back in line !
At the same place the year after, good old Henri Pescarolo also did quite well in the rain , .....I was enthusiastic about the brand new bright green and silver livery of his P160, which was a welcome change from the dull dark "British Racing" (?) green that the cars had sported for the South American GP tour...
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Posted 21 July 2004 - 19:25
David
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Posted 21 July 2004 - 19:46
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#40
Posted 22 July 2004 - 12:17
Originally posted by Don Capps
I will admit to enjoying mentioning this event from time to time when I was speaking with Jody Scheckter. I tried to ensure that it was brought up whenever we were in the midst of a program review or other related sort of meeting while I was at HQDA and Jody was still at FATS.
At the last contemporary meeting I went to, Oulton spring 2000, I saw Jody who was there with Tomas in F3. I got him to sign my prog, before he did so, I wrote "Woodcote '73" next to where I thought he'd sign. He feigned not to notice what I'd written when he signed ... !
#41
Posted 22 July 2004 - 12:28
Originally posted by WGD706
The Dutch GP was on July 29, 1973 while the British GP was on July 14th. At Zandvoort, Fittipaldi crashed heavily on Saturday and suffered serious bruises to his ankles.He qualified 16th but retired after 2 laps due to discomfort. Unfortunately, it was on lap 7 when Roger Williamson had his fatal accident.
Warren
maybe another Dutch member or one of our German reading members has the book Grand Prix Story 73 by Heinz Prüller at hand to verify who said the following.
I don't have access to the book right now but it described the British GP and how miraculously only de Adamich was injured.
But after that fateful Dutch GP, and remembering that Roger Wiliamson was one of the drivers involved in the crash at Silverstone someone had said something like:
"Ït was Roger's bad luck that he didn't break a thumb at Silverstone"
I believe it was at the end of the Silverstone chapter within the mentioned Prüller book he reproduced that comment and also told who said it.
Henri Greuter
#42
Posted 22 July 2004 - 18:17
Originally posted by Mallory Dan
At the last contemporary meeting I went to, Oulton spring 2000, I saw Jody who was there with Tomas in F3. I got him to sign my prog, before he did so, I wrote "Woodcote '73" next to where I thought he'd sign. He feigned not to notice what I'd written when he signed ... !
You rotten git
#43
Posted 07 November 2006 - 20:56
Carlos Pace's Surtees - front.....
.....and rear
Hailwood's Surtees
Mass's Surtees, clothed in foam
The clear up
George Follmer back in the paddock
Hunt interviewed by Barrie Gill
A chapter of accidents - Dave Matthews' Capri from the same meeting
All photos by Roger Ellis
#44
Posted 07 November 2006 - 21:16
Originally posted by Alan Cox
An opportune moment to revive this thread, I feel, having been entrusted with some photos from Roger Ellis's collection, featuring the aftermath of the accident, including pics of the entire Surtees team.
A chapter of accident - Dave Matthews' Capri from the same meeting
All photos by Roger Ellis
I was at the race, it was just the most amazing sequence of events ever, I felt sorry for all involved, but especially for the team from Edenbridge, it was disastrous. My memory gets cloudy these days, was it in the restart that JYS went harvesting? The saloons also continued a bad day for accidents, one of the weeklies at the time showed the Mathews Capri cartwheeling and (I think) the poor driver being flung out? What an away day from my usual venue, Brands Hatch.
#45
Posted 07 November 2006 - 21:18
That's Roger Silman with Follmer.Originally posted by Alan Cox
George Follmer back in the paddock
A chapter of accidents - Dave Matthews' Capri from the same meeting
In the Matthews' Capri pic you can see Gavin Booth's Mini behind. From recollection, Brodie's Escort was sooo bad they didn't leave it outdoors - or if they did, they covered it PDQ. I saw it close-up, and you could not credit he'd survived. The engine was in the cabin...
Regarding the 'clear-up' pic, I think they're still in the process of extricating de Adamich.
Great pics, Roger! Any more...?
#46
Posted 07 November 2006 - 21:40
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 22:07
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#49
Posted 08 November 2006 - 00:02
Also, it was very fortunate that whatever hit Beltoise's side (or maybe he hit something stationary?) didn't ride up that beautifully sloped side of the chassis and right into the side of the virtually unprotected cockpit...
#50
Posted 08 November 2006 - 00:28
But of course his BRM could have been hit by others too, in the overall meleé...