1959 Mille Miglia Rally
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Posted 25 October 2004 - 11:40
The Mille Miglia continued on as a rally, rather than a road-race for a few years after 1957...
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Posted 25 October 2004 - 23:02
Mille Miglia 1957 was not the last edition.
AFAIK there were three more editions, in 1958, 1959 and 1961, but it was a regularity race. On my site I have maps of 1958 and 1959 editions; I don't have any result and any more info about the 1961 edition, that should have been the last one.
After that - I think in 1970s - Mille Miglia became a local Rally (raced on the mountains near Brescia and Lake of Garda, nothing to do with traditional Mille Miglia) and year after year it become much more important and from some years is an European Championship Rally.
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Ciao,
Guido
AFAIK there were three more editions, in 1958, 1959 and 1961, but it was a regularity race. On my site I have maps of 1958 and 1959 editions; I don't have any result and any more info about the 1961 edition, that should have been the last one.
After that - I think in 1970s - Mille Miglia became a local Rally (raced on the mountains near Brescia and Lake of Garda, nothing to do with traditional Mille Miglia) and year after year it become much more important and from some years is an European Championship Rally.
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Ciao,
Guido
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Posted 26 October 2004 - 15:07
No one has entry lists and/or results for 1959?? 
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Posted 27 October 2004 - 23:28
I have no entry list nor results; but I have just uploaded on my website a very detailed description of the road.
Ciao,
Guido
Ciao,
Guido
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Posted 01 November 2004 - 10:01
ankajub,
while searching other stuff, I've found the '59 Rallye della Mille Miglia top-3 finishers:
1) Carlo-Mario Abate / Balzarini, Ferrari 250GT LWB Berlinetta Scaglietti
2) #7, 8116 BG 13, Jean Guichet / Happel, Ferrari 250GT LWB Berlinetta Scaglietti
3) #10, GE-54178?, Jean-Pierre Schild / Pecorini, Ferrari 250GT LWB Berlinetta Scaglietti
Stunning, isn't it? 3 Ferraris as top-3 finishers in a rally... wow!!!
Carles.
while searching other stuff, I've found the '59 Rallye della Mille Miglia top-3 finishers:
1) Carlo-Mario Abate / Balzarini, Ferrari 250GT LWB Berlinetta Scaglietti
2) #7, 8116 BG 13, Jean Guichet / Happel, Ferrari 250GT LWB Berlinetta Scaglietti
3) #10, GE-54178?, Jean-Pierre Schild / Pecorini, Ferrari 250GT LWB Berlinetta Scaglietti
Stunning, isn't it? 3 Ferraris as top-3 finishers in a rally... wow!!!
Carles.
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Posted 01 November 2004 - 16:05
I'm still looking for an entry list. Anyone??
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gdecarli
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Posted 01 November 2004 - 23:38
GreatOriginally posted by jarama
Stunning, isn't it? 3 Ferraris as top-3 finishers in a rally... wow!!!
but not stunning: it wasn't a Rally, it was a regularity race. I think this race and rallyes had completely different rules.By the way, somewhere I should have official rules.
Ciao,
Guido
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Posted 02 November 2004 - 00:15
Surely a rally and a regularity trial are almost the same thing.
They comprise a series of stages with a set time for each and competitors are penalised for arriving earlier or later than the set time. The only difference is that on some rallies there is no penalty for early arrival.
They comprise a series of stages with a set time for each and competitors are penalised for arriving earlier or later than the set time. The only difference is that on some rallies there is no penalty for early arrival.
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Posted 02 November 2004 - 00:31
To be honest, I don't know nearly nothing about Rallyes in 1959, but nowhere in official rules Mille Miglia 1959 was considered a rally. Moreover:
Guido
Ciao,(from official rules of Mille Miglia 1959 - rough translation is mine)
La gara è valida per il campionato italiano di velocità per la categoria Turismo (classi 500 - 750 - vetture fino a 1100 - 1300 - oltre 1300 fino a 2600) e per la categoria Gran Turismo (classi fino a 750 - vetture fino a 1100 - 1300 - 2600 - oltre 2600). La corsa è altresì valida per il campionato di velocità della Federazione Italiana delle Scuderie Automobilistiche.
The race is valid for Italian Speed Championship, Tourism class (500 - 750 - cars up to 1100 - 1300 - more than 1300 up to 2600) and Grand Tourism (up to 750 - cars up to 1100 - 1300 - 2600 - more than 2600). This race is valid also for speed championship of Italian Car Team Federation.
Guido
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Posted 02 November 2004 - 06:09
In 1961, anyway, was one of the ERC events.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 09:53
Here are some results:
Touring up to 500cc
1. Bellocchio-Garaglia Fiat 500 3h07m54s (59th o/a)
2. Natili - Cucchiarelli Fiat 500 3h12m03s (61st o/a)
3. Ronzoni - Colombi Fiat 500 3h31m01s (69th o/a)
Touring 500 to 750cc
1. Dalla Torre-Martorelli Fiat 600 2h30m26s (33rd o/a)
2. Capra-Pilone Fiat 600 3h04m51s (57th o/a)
3. Molteni-Pelucchi Fiat 600 3h11m53s (60th o/a)
Touring 750cc to 1000cc
1. Condrillier-Finchel Renault Dauphine 2h26m20s (22nd o/a)
2. Vinatier-Masson Renault Dauphine 2h27m14s (26th o/a)
3. Buchet-Rambaud Renault Dauphine 2h28m37s (28th o/a)
There is more if ayone is still interested.
Fred
Touring up to 500cc
1. Bellocchio-Garaglia Fiat 500 3h07m54s (59th o/a)
2. Natili - Cucchiarelli Fiat 500 3h12m03s (61st o/a)
3. Ronzoni - Colombi Fiat 500 3h31m01s (69th o/a)
Touring 500 to 750cc
1. Dalla Torre-Martorelli Fiat 600 2h30m26s (33rd o/a)
2. Capra-Pilone Fiat 600 3h04m51s (57th o/a)
3. Molteni-Pelucchi Fiat 600 3h11m53s (60th o/a)
Touring 750cc to 1000cc
1. Condrillier-Finchel Renault Dauphine 2h26m20s (22nd o/a)
2. Vinatier-Masson Renault Dauphine 2h27m14s (26th o/a)
3. Buchet-Rambaud Renault Dauphine 2h28m37s (28th o/a)
There is more if ayone is still interested.
Fred
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 10:58
Yes please...Originally posted by Fred Gallagher
There is more if ayone is still interested.
Ciao,
Guido
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 12:34
I like your enthusiasm!
I made an error in the previous post; GT has now been edited to Touring.
Touring "Special" Up to 1000cc
Feret-Monraisse Renault Dauphine Gordini 2h21m15s (12th overall)
Clarou-Jolly Renault Dauphine Gordini 2h21m22s (13th overall)
Frere-Thirion Renault Dauphine Gordini 2h24m51s (17th overall)
Touring "Sub-Class" Up to 1100cc
De Milano-Capra Fiat 1100 TV 2h30m12s (30th overall)
Alquati-Jacci Fiat 1100 TV 2h39m35s (42nd overall)
Ligas-Miglior Fiat 1100 TV 2h41m25s (44th overall)
Touring Up to 1300cc
Bonetto-Fracchia Alfa Romeo Giullietta TI 2h17m50s (9th overall)
Bauer-Zanotti Alfa Romeo Giullietta TI 2h19m49s (10th overall)
Guidetti-Rossi Alfa Romeo Giullietta TI 2h23m19s (15th overall)
Touring Up to 1600cc
Pozzati-Levi Peugeot 403 2h48m53s (49th overall)
Wondrak-Klitsch Moskvitch 2h56m02s (52nd overall)
Touring Up to 2600cc
Lombardini-Nasuelli Alfa Romeo 1900 TI 2h25m18s (18th overall)
Perrin-Orville Alfa Romeo 1900 TI 2h27m03s (25th overall)
Pellini-Sartini Alfa Romeo 1900 TI (36th overall)
More later when I find some time.
Fred
I made an error in the previous post; GT has now been edited to Touring.
Touring "Special" Up to 1000cc
Feret-Monraisse Renault Dauphine Gordini 2h21m15s (12th overall)
Clarou-Jolly Renault Dauphine Gordini 2h21m22s (13th overall)
Frere-Thirion Renault Dauphine Gordini 2h24m51s (17th overall)
Touring "Sub-Class" Up to 1100cc
De Milano-Capra Fiat 1100 TV 2h30m12s (30th overall)
Alquati-Jacci Fiat 1100 TV 2h39m35s (42nd overall)
Ligas-Miglior Fiat 1100 TV 2h41m25s (44th overall)
Touring Up to 1300cc
Bonetto-Fracchia Alfa Romeo Giullietta TI 2h17m50s (9th overall)
Bauer-Zanotti Alfa Romeo Giullietta TI 2h19m49s (10th overall)
Guidetti-Rossi Alfa Romeo Giullietta TI 2h23m19s (15th overall)
Touring Up to 1600cc
Pozzati-Levi Peugeot 403 2h48m53s (49th overall)
Wondrak-Klitsch Moskvitch 2h56m02s (52nd overall)
Touring Up to 2600cc
Lombardini-Nasuelli Alfa Romeo 1900 TI 2h25m18s (18th overall)
Perrin-Orville Alfa Romeo 1900 TI 2h27m03s (25th overall)
Pellini-Sartini Alfa Romeo 1900 TI (36th overall)
More later when I find some time.
Fred
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 13:50
Fantastic
Thanks Fred
Thanks Fred
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 16:12
GT "Sub-Class" Up to 500cc
Truniger-Agosti Berkeley 3h15m27s (64th o/a)
Dionisio-Serboli Berkeley 3h20m12s (65th o/a)
Giuberti-Bocchio Abarth 750 Zagato 3h22m36s (67th o/a)
Didn't the scrutineers notice that the Abarth was a bit oversized?!! And what are these sub-classes about? That is what Sottoclasse means, isn't it?
Fred
Truniger-Agosti Berkeley 3h15m27s (64th o/a)
Dionisio-Serboli Berkeley 3h20m12s (65th o/a)
Giuberti-Bocchio Abarth 750 Zagato 3h22m36s (67th o/a)
Didn't the scrutineers notice that the Abarth was a bit oversized?!! And what are these sub-classes about? That is what Sottoclasse means, isn't it?
Fred
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 18:12
And finally:
GT up to 750cc
Prinoth-Pitscheider Abarth 750 Zagato 2h17m01s (7th o/a)
Fabi-Pagliacci Abarth 750 Zagato 2h25m55s (20th o/a)
Sala-Lo Coco Abarth 750 Zagato 2h26m23s (23rd o/a)
GT "Sub-Class" up to 1100cc
Kerschbaumer-Peristi Lancia Appia GTZ 2h20m26s (11th o/a)
Giroldi-Guarducci Lancia Appia GTZ 2h57m38s (54th o/a)
Cialy-Fontes Lancia Appia GTZ 2h59m31s (55th o/a)
GT up to 1300cc
Pace-Bertoletti Alfa Romeo Giulietta SVZ 2h16m10s (5th o/a)
Bongiasca-Bongiasca Alfa Romeo Giulietta SVZ 2h16m53s (6th o/a)
Lanzini-Nember Alfa Romeo Giulietta SV 2h17m23s (8th o/a)
GT "Sub-Class" up to 1600cc
Ferrier-Paolozzi Porsche 356 Carerra 2h15m40s (4th o/a)
GT over 1300cc
Abate-Balzarini Ferrari 250 GT 2h06m16s (1st o/a)
Guichet-Happel Ferrari 250 GT 2h09m24s (2nd o/a)
Schild-Pecorini Ferrari 250 GT 2h10m42s (3rd o/a)
104 starters, 76 classified.
Now who's going to find a photograph of one of the 500cc Berkeleys or the Moskvitch?
Fred
GT up to 750cc
Prinoth-Pitscheider Abarth 750 Zagato 2h17m01s (7th o/a)
Fabi-Pagliacci Abarth 750 Zagato 2h25m55s (20th o/a)
Sala-Lo Coco Abarth 750 Zagato 2h26m23s (23rd o/a)
GT "Sub-Class" up to 1100cc
Kerschbaumer-Peristi Lancia Appia GTZ 2h20m26s (11th o/a)
Giroldi-Guarducci Lancia Appia GTZ 2h57m38s (54th o/a)
Cialy-Fontes Lancia Appia GTZ 2h59m31s (55th o/a)
GT up to 1300cc
Pace-Bertoletti Alfa Romeo Giulietta SVZ 2h16m10s (5th o/a)
Bongiasca-Bongiasca Alfa Romeo Giulietta SVZ 2h16m53s (6th o/a)
Lanzini-Nember Alfa Romeo Giulietta SV 2h17m23s (8th o/a)
GT "Sub-Class" up to 1600cc
Ferrier-Paolozzi Porsche 356 Carerra 2h15m40s (4th o/a)
GT over 1300cc
Abate-Balzarini Ferrari 250 GT 2h06m16s (1st o/a)
Guichet-Happel Ferrari 250 GT 2h09m24s (2nd o/a)
Schild-Pecorini Ferrari 250 GT 2h10m42s (3rd o/a)
104 starters, 76 classified.
Now who's going to find a photograph of one of the 500cc Berkeleys or the Moskvitch?
Fred
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 22:00
Fantastic, Fred
Only a little remark, searching the accuracy of the data: probably the chap called Jolly (codriver of Clarou) is Joly, who was later known as codriver of Patrick Vanson sharing the DS Citroëns.
Carles.
Only a little remark, searching the accuracy of the data: probably the chap called Jolly (codriver of Clarou) is Joly, who was later known as codriver of Patrick Vanson sharing the DS Citroëns.
Carles.
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 19:45
Doug Nye found the Moskvitch….Originally posted by Fred Gallagher
Now who's going to find a photograph of one of the 500cc Berkeleys or the Moskvitch?
See WOEIT No 3A
"A Russian-built Moskvitch, entered and driven by an Austrian team, crosses the finish line at Brescia, Italy, May 31, after the Mille Miglia. The Moskvitch was placed second in the 1,600cc class...".
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 13:27
Originally posted by jarama
In 1961, anyway, was one of the ERC events.
So in 1958, 1959 and 1961 it was probably as rallly
Does anyone has the 1958 and 1961 results.
winners
1958: Luigi Taramazzo - Gerino Gerini (Ferrari)
1961: Gunnar Andersson - Carl Lohmander (Ferrari 250 GT)
Gerrit Stevens
