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Lotus 47

Started by KDW , Jan 04 2005 19:34

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#1 KDW

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 19:34

Are any Lotus 47 racing in the UK?

What happened to the UK Lotus 47 Register ??

Kevin Whittle

#2 Ted Walker

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 21:45

Have a look on the "other site" and you will see !!!!!!!!!!!!

#3 Carlos Guerra

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 17:49

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Have a look on the "other site" and you will see !!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Ted,

Can't figure out what the "other site" is.
Could you please be a bit more specific?
Thanks in advance.

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Carlos Guerra
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#4 Macca

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 11:17

http://www.ten-tenth...isplay.php?f=12

That one!

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#5 Carlos Guerra

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 21:08

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Macca
[B]http://www.ten-tenth...isplay.php?f=12

That one!
Hi Paul,

Fine. Thanks.

Carlos Guerra

#6 KDW

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 10:16

This is aimed at Carlos
Carlos, what do you know of the plans for a 'round the streets' races in July at Porto??
I am thinking of racing my Lotus 18FJ there.
Any comments.

Where would be the best place to stay, bearing in mind the need to park car & trailer in a safe spot.

I would welcome your views please
Kevin Whittle

#7 Carlos Guerra

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 10:40

Originally posted by KDW
This is aimed at Carlos
Carlos, what do you know of the plans for a 'round the streets' races in July at Porto??
I am thinking of racing my Lotus 18FJ there.
Any comments.

Where would be the best place to stay, bearing in mind the need to park car & trailer in a safe spot.

I would welcome your views please
Kevin Whittle

Hello Kevin,

Since a FIA Lurani Formula Junior race is on the schedule, may I suggest that you should join the event through the series promoters.
They will have their own paddock allocation, hence safe car & trailer parking will be resolved.

There have been also announced races for GP cars of the 30's, HGPCA 50's and 60's, Sportscars 50's and 60's, Gentleman Drivers GT Endurance, GT Cars up to 1964, Gentleman Drivers Sports Challenge, Sports Prototypes up to 1964, the national Datsun 1200 Trophy, Touring, GT & Sports Classics and Super Sports Cars.

Only a part of the original Avenida da Boavista and of Estrada da Circunvalação will be used on the Revival.
Porto has very good hotels and accomodation and nearly all have their own homepages and email, so it must quite easy to choose.

See you there next July 8-10.

Kind regards

Carlos Guerra
Cascais
Portugal

#8 Neri Moreira

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 14:51

HI

Even if I am very sad that they intend to use a circuit that has nothing (relevant) to do with the original 1950 to 1960 Circuito da Boavista, that I strongly object that they intend to "ruin" part of the town to do "some racing" instead of doing a proper "revival" in the real circuit, of course, has a lover, I will be there to watch the cars and the action (after all only 500 m from my house

).

If this is really is going to happen (maybe only propaganda) I would be very interested in meeting any friend from TNF that intends to come, so please PM me by then so that we can contact.

Welcome all

Yours
Neri

#9 Raja

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 08:55

Hi, any ideas of a good site for infos about this car.
Race results ?
Registry complet ( Lotus Web Site Have None )
Photos may be ( Christmas are coming, make a effort please )

Thank you for your time

Salut

P.S Any cars that you known for sale may be ?

#10 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 09:34

Oh... the car that caused the Clubman regulations in Australia to be rewritten... even if it had nothing to do with Clubmans!

Two of these cars came to Australia, by the way...

#11 RTH

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 10:57

There is a long running thread on this subject on the historic racing section of the ten-tenths forum

#12 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 11:36

Does Bob Beasley rate a mention there?

#13 RTH

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 19:15

http://www.ten-tenth...highlight=Lotus

#14 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 20:19

No Bob Beasley... so what do they know?

Also, the photo showing the engine and gearbox, it seems to have a VW-based box rather than the FT200.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 03:30

For the fans ...

#16 RTH

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 12:16

Originally posted by Ray Bell
No Bob Beasley... so what do they know?

Why not give us the story here Ray, I'm not familiar with the name either, especially if you have any photos

Also, the photo showing the engine and gearbox, it seems to have a VW-based box rather than the FT200.

Well spotted , that is a Mk 5 Hewland 5 speed. That particular car was build new by Lotus Components for Clive Vandervell as a road car, they decided on the smaller lighter and vastly cheaper VW based gearbox as being a lighter change and more user friendly in traffic, than as you rightly say would have been the magnesium FT200

#17 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 12:23

And it's in that gearbox fitment that the Clubman regulations were reframed in Australia...

Why?

Because they formerly stated, (the gearbox) "must be from a CAMS-recognised production car." When the CAMS recognised the 47 as a 'production sports car' it meant that the FT200 was viable as a choice for a really expensive Clubman. There was an allowance in the rules for changes to 'the input and outpug shafts, and their housings, for the purpose of adaptation'... in other words, you could take the drive out the back of the box and mount it conventionally.

Rather than admit their mistakes, the CAMS butchered the rules.

#18 Raja

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 18:37

Hi, can somebody told me how many of them was built ?
Any serious register ?

Do you known some people who own one today or own one before ( For advices )
Thank in advance to all of you

#19 2F-001

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 18:44

re: the 62... my understanding has always been that just two were made.
A nicely presented restored one was shown by it's (American?) owner at a Lotus festival at Brands Hatch a few years ago. Very nice to see it. Only superficially related to the 47 though.

#20 2F-001

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 18:50

Apologies for dreadful apostrophe misuse... but the edit facility seems to disappeared in my broswer...

#21 MCS

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 18:54

Originally posted by 2F-001
Apologies for dreadful apostrophe misuse... but the edit facility seems to disappeared in my broswer...

Not to mention the spell checking facility :lol:

#22 2F-001

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 19:20

No, no, it's a "missing out words completely" checker that I need...
(I'm obviously one of the "have nots" of this world!)

#23 Vitesse2

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 20:36

Two 62s and fifty-five 47s (subject to the warning on this page!)

http://www.lotuscarclub.org/types.htm

#24 ian senior

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Posted 03 October 2005 - 11:29

I find the idea of 55 47s somewhat surprising. There were certainly quite a few of them on British circuits in their heyday, but that many? Did many go abroad? It's not as if they were the best car in its class, with a huge queue forming up at the door to buy one - I'd have been on my way to Bolton to have a chat with that nice Mr Bennett. And notice how there were only 650 S1 Europas (the type 46) - has someone miscounted a few Europas into the 47 figures?

#25 Raja

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Posted 03 October 2005 - 12:22

Hello, I read between 35 to 45 cars.
Did Lotus known about their own production ?
thank

#26 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 October 2005 - 12:35

"Were they honest?" is probably a more relevant question...

Wasn't the 47 an 'evolution' of the Twin Cam Europa for racing purposes?

#27 Raja

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Posted 03 October 2005 - 14:39

47 is the racing version of the Europa
FT200 gearbox, F2 suspensions, drysump twin cam Lotus.
It s more than a modified Europa

#28 SR781

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:26

Re Lotus 47
Of the two that came to Australia one resides in Sydney the other i believe went to Suzuka

#29 275 GTB-4

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 06:25

In the For Sales: Lotus 47 1967 works car (its white with single broad purple stripe with narrow red stripes either side and numbered 67)

p538@yahoo.com

[Advert from Classic and Sports Car - Oct 06]

#30 Ted Walker

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 17:00

Im sure Mr Raja knows that already ???????????????

#31 275 GTB-4

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 13:03

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Im sure Mr Raja knows that already ???????????????

Why for you say that Ted? [insert quizzical look]

#32 David Birchall

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 07:03

Who is classicscars.com? I did a search of the forum and could not find anything and yet they have a website with lists of chassis for many obscure cars. Is it somebody here? :cat:

#33 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 10:20

The site is owned by Philippe Olczyk. The database of race results and chassis numbers was purchased from a Czech researcher a few years ago.

Philippe posts regularly on 10 Tenths but I don't know if he's here too.

Allen

#34 flat-16

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 15:39

They had a road-legal 962 Porsche to sell at one point!

The 206 Dino SP looked nice.... I think it took a while to sell. I doubt it went to someone with shallow pockets.

Justin

#35 antonvrs

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 00:28

Watch out............. things are not always as they seem.
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#36 David Birchall

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 00:54

What drew my interest is that they are promoting a book on the Lotus 47--which is presently poorly represented in my library at least. I was surprised to learn that barely 50% of the production run of 47s is accounted for....!
I was pm'd by a member who they are-nuff said

#37 Gary C

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 18:11

David, how many 47's were there then?? I've absolutely no idea................................

#38 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 18:24

The site is owned by Philippe Olczyk. The database of race results and chassis numbers was purchased from a Czech researcher a few years ago.

Well, that is one way to put it....

#39 David Birchall

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 05:40

Originally posted by Gary C
David, how many 47's were there then?? I've absolutely no idea................................

According to what I can find on the 'net, Lotus assigned chassis numbers 01 to 85 to the 47 but only produced 67 chassis which included 4 replacement chassis and 7 47Fs, which were cars for road use with pushrod or T/C Ford engines.

It seems 44 chassis are accounted for so it is better than I first thought.

#40 275 GTB-4

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 06:21

Can I respectfully suggest that a mod move the Lotus stuff to the 47 thread...and we leave this "other" stuff be :up:

#41 David Birchall

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 09:06

I tried to find a thread devoted to the Lotus 47 but couldn't due to the 'search' functions requirement for 3 or more letters--any suggestions anyone?

(I should be asleep by now :rolleyes:

)

#42 Martin Roessler

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 10:35

1000km 1967

#25 Simon De Lautour / GB Lotus 47 Climax Winfield Racing
Mike Knight / GB
the only picture i have of a lotus 47
cheers marty

#43 275 GTB-4

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 11:42

Originally posted by Ray Bell
No Bob Beasley...

In Canberra we had Beasley and Bruce - Holden Dealers....there is a connection Ray ??

#44 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 12:48

No, not at all...

Bob Beasley was from Sydney. He started racing in a Lotus Super 7, then had an ex-Niel Allen Elan followed by the 47. I'm not sure if he was in the motor industry at all, but he wasn't a dealer himself if he was, perhaps a salesman.

#45 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 12:54

Originally posted by Raja
47 is the racing version of the Europa
FT200 gearbox, F2 suspensions, drysump twin cam Lotus.
It s more than a modified Europa

Missed this one, obviously...

That's what I meant by putting 'evolution' in parenthesis. I realise they had very different items about them, but they could be said to have been derived from the twin-cam Europa.

They were, in fact, accepted in Australia (after some heavy lobbying, undoubtedly...) as Production Sports Cars. I think this might later have been reversed, but it applied for some time.

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 13:01

Originally posted by Ray Bell
No, not at all...

Bob Beasley was from Sydney. He started racing in a Lotus Super 7, then had an ex-Niel Allen Elan followed by the 47. I'm not sure if he was in the motor industry at all, but he wasn't a dealer himself if he was, perhaps a salesman.

Schizzenhausen!!! close enough for me :up:

#47 RTH

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 16:46

The 47 pre-dated the Twin Cam Europa by 4 years. The 47 was a development of the Renault Europa fitted with a Cosworth modified Lotus-Ford Twin Cam. The twin cam Europa could be said to be a development of the 47.

#48 sterling49

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 20:53

The GLTL cars were terrific looking and driven to great results in the '67 and '68 B.O.A.C. 1000km race at Brands Hatch. The link has a picture showing one at Bottom Bend. :up:

http://www.birmingha...org/lotus47.bmp

#49 bill moffat

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 21:02

I just remember that grainy photo of the two 47's sharing the front row at Brands on their Boxing Day '66 debut.

Whatever happened to Boxing Day meetings ?

#50 sterling49

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 21:15

Originally posted by bill moffat
I just remember that grainy photo of the two 47's sharing the front row at Brands on their Boxing Day '66 debut.

Whatever happened to Boxing Day meetings ?

I said the same in another thread.....they were such great winter days out, away from the TURKEY :eek:

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