Pre-War AAA Big Car Championship top-tens
#101
Posted 10 January 2009 - 15:57
Generally, it's 2.4 points per mile for first place, 1.6 for second, 1.2 for third and 0.8 for fourth, with races of ten miles and more paying 0.4 points per mile for fifth, and races of twenty miles and more 0.2 for sixth.
Apart from the odd irregularity*, that should be it, and the system appears to have been in place for the full period of time, i.e. from 1932 to '41. Further tests are still needed, and will be performed, to iron out those irregularities, and I still can't compile tables for any year, but I'm confident of my findings nonetheless.
* e.g. it is possible that consolation events only paid half points.
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#102
Posted 14 January 2009 - 15:52
#103
Posted 04 February 2009 - 17:38
Well, some four weeks and quite a lot of old-fashioned 'hard work' later:Originally posted by fines
I still can't compile tables for any year
1936 AAA Big Car Championship, Midwestern Circuit
Events 1936-06-07 Roby Speedway 50m Rex Mays Sparks-Weirick/Miller 37'36.71" 79.76 mph 1936-06-21 Wisconsin State Fair Park 40m Frank McGurk Worley/Miller 31'45.22" 75.58 mph 1936-07-04 Roby Speedway 50m Rex Mays Sparks-Weirick/Miller 37'33.72" 79.86 mph 1936-08-22 Illinois State Fairgrounds 100m Wilbur Shaw Thorne/Miller 1:12'31.58" 82.72 mph 1936-08-23 Wisconsin State Fair Park 25m Billy Winn Winn/Miller 17'32" 85.55 mph 1936-08-26 Wisconsin State Fair Park 25m Tony Willman Bagley/Cragar * 16'44" 89.64 mph 1936-08-30 Roby Speedway 45m Billy Winn Winn/Miller 38'13.87" 70.62 mph 1936-09-20 Roby Speedway 50m Rex Mays Sparks-Weirick/Miller 37'05.52" 80.87 mph 1936-10-25 Roby Speedway 100m (postponed to Nov 1, then cancelled due to rain) -- -- -- * at the time quoted as 15'44", most certainly a typo Pos Driver Total R 1 R 2 R 3 R 4 R 5 R 6 R 7 R 8 E R C 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th FT 1 Rex Mays 408 128 - 144 - - - - 136 3 3 3 3 - - - - - 1 2 Wilbur Shaw 310.5 12 - 88 240 16 8 - - 5 5 2 1 1 - - - - - 3 Chet Gardner 288 - - 72 24 48 12 88 44 6 6 5 - 2 1 - 1 - - 4 Billy Winn 274 - - - 24 76 42 132 - 4 4 3 2 - 1 - - - 1 5 Bill Cummings 232 - - - 128 24 36 62 12 5 5 3 - - 2 1 - - - 6 Frank McGurk 199.5 12 132 - - - 21 34 - 4 4+ 4 1 - - - 1 1 - 7 Tony Willman 192 - - - 48 0 84 48 - 4 3 3 1 0.3 - 1 - - 1 8 Ted Horn 163.5 24 - - 21 12 - 17 88 5 5+ 3 - 1 - - - 1 1 9 Frank Brisko 140 - - 16 - 8 12 24 76 5 5 1 - - 1 - - - - 10 Emil Andres 136 56 - 44 10 - - - 24 4 4 3 - - - 1 1 - - 11 George Connor 126 - - 18 24 24 56 0 0 6 5- 2 - 1 - - - 1 2 12 Jimmy Snyder 123 16 36 16 40 - - 12 - 5 5 1 - - - - 1 - - 13 Floyd Roberts 108 108 - - - - - - - 1 1 1 - 1 - - - - - 14 Ted Johnson 103 - 16 - 0 8 - 24 17 5 4+ 1 - - - - - - - 15 Ken Fowler 98 24 - - 0 30 - 24 - 4 4+ - - - 1 - - - - 16 Babe Stapp 96 0 80 16 - - - - - 3 2 1 - 1 - - - - - 17 George Barringer 90 - 28 16 80 16 - 16 - 5 5 3 - - - 1 1 - - 18 Louis Tomei 76 28 - - - - - - 48 2 2 2 - - - 1 1 - - 19 Tex West 74.5 - 72 12 - - - - - 2 2 1 - - 1 - - - - 20 Frankie Beeder 72 - - - 16 36 - 16 - 3 3 1 - - - 1 - - - Doc MacKenzie 16 - - 128 12 - - - 3 3 1 - 0.7 - - - - - Duke Nalon - - 64 - 12 - - 0 3 2 1 - - - 1 - - - Port de Fraties - - - 12 34 24 - - 3 3 2 - - - - 1 - - Johnny Sawyer 22 - 0 - 24 16 8 - 5 4 2 - - - - - 1 - Walt Brown 64 - - - - - - - 1 1 1 - - 1 - - - - * Ben Musick - 56 8 - - - - - 2 2 1 - - - 1 - - - Ray Pixley - 16 24 - - 24 0 - 4 3 - - - - - - - - Floyd Davis - - 12 4 12 34 - - 4 4 1 - - - - 1 - - Chuck Tabor - - - 20 13 8 12 - 4 4 3 - - - - - 2 - Myron Fohr - 24 0 - 0 - - 24 4 2 1 - - - - - 1 - Joe Thorne - - - 0 4 12 12 - 4 4 1 - - - - - - - Johnny van Rossen - - - - - - - 22 1 1 1 - - - - - 1 - Cowboy O'Rourke - - - - - - - 16 1 1 - - - - - - - - Eddie Beaver - 12 - - - - - - 1 1 - - - - - - - - Mauri Rose - - - 12 - - - - 1 1 - - - - - - - - Henry Banks 8 - - - - - - - 1 1 - - - - - - - - Al Putnam - - - - - 8 - - 1 1 - - - - - - - - Freddie Winnai 0 - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - Verne Franke - - 0 - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - Lou Webb - - 0 - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - * alias "Bill Morris"Please note that some of the totals don't add up correctly yet!!!
The top twenty in points (i.e. position, driver, total points and number of races) are from various sources, mainly a Chicago Daily Tribune article of October 25 in 1936. I have compiled the rest of the table from my own database and the scoring system outlined above. There's all sorts of imperfections coming into play here, not least of all poor legibility of old (microfilmed) newspaper articles!!!
To wit, only six of the top twenty driver points totals match, namely those of Mays, Gardner, Winn, Roberts, Stapp and Tomei - you'll notice that's three of the top four scorers, so it's not too bad. The differences are, in detail: Shaw (+ 53.5), Cummings (+ 30), McGurk (- 0.5), Willman (- 12), Horn (- 1.5), Brisko (- 4), Andres (- 2), Connor (- 4), Snyder (- 3), Johnson (- 38), Fowler (- 20), Barringer (+ 66), West (+ 9.5), Beeder (- 4) - mostly minor, probably due to some heat finishes that I couldn't find, or perhaps typos. Overall it doesn't make much difference to the outcome, except for Ted Johnson and George Barringer - I am suspecting a relief driver scenario at the Springfield 100-miler, the point-heavy race that I wasn't able to find much on at all, actually!
Also, notice that the calculated point totals of MacKenzie (156) and Nalon (76) would put them into the top twenty, if correct. In the case of the former, it is possible that he was not listed because of his demise - as mentioned earlier, old points tables are sometimes a bit quirky in that regard! As for Nalon, he may have gone "outlaw" again before the end of the season, although I don't have any info on that - he was actually entered for the (cancelled) October 25 race. Incidentally, the number of races in the table are from my research, differences to the newspaper article are indicated (+ or -), and may be down to faulty research on my part, or typos again. The number of Fast Times don't add up because of missing info, and some of it is suspect anyway!!!
As speculated on before, there appear to be some modifications necessary to the scoring system posted above - I'm still not sure if consies paid full points, and longer races appear to have paid points to 7th and 8th place finishers. The further 'down the line', the more difficult gets the research! Most sources simply ignore the backmarkers, or list the names in order without the correlative placing, so it's even more subject to errors and omissions than already usual!
I will go into a bit more detail in subsequent posts, and will endeavour to put "the story of the championship" into the context of the season. Some may have noticed some oddities in the table, no?;) Well, the Midwestern Circuit was always "a bit peculiar", which will be in need of a few explanations, but the sheer paucity of events made it possible to compile this table in the first place, so no complaints from my side!
#104
Posted 17 March 2009 - 20:18
Originally posted by fines
WARA (Western Auto Racing Association - WA, OR, CA), possibly Washington Auto Racing Association
1929 Swede Smith
1930 Howard Wills
1931 Mario Bianchi
1932 Mario Bianchi (?)
1933 Art Scovell
1934 Woody Woodford
1935 Jimmie Wilburn
1936 Frank Wearne
1938 Adolph Dans
1939 Chick Barbo (?)
Hello, longtime lurker here. I have registered finally and after awaiting activation.... I can now post.
My interest is mainly from the years 1930-1941. I am looking for photos and info on Gilmore Oil Co sponsored cars; Blu Green Special, Red Lion Special, Gilmore Special, Gilmore Speedway Special, Gilmore Lion Special, Gilmore Lion Cub Special, etc.... Their co-sponsored cars can be detected too for they'd have their lion logos somewhere on car body. I have several albums full of photos and programs from 1930-1941 that I am always looking for more info on. Any help I can get is very much appreciated.
Anyways, I was looking for info on Mario Bianchi yesterday morning and was directed to this thread. Below is a link to a photo I have of him, I believe, standing behind the Red Lion Special at Portland Speedway (Date/Year?, maybe 1932). Does anybody have any more info on or pictures of him?
Edited by GILMORE, 17 September 2009 - 02:23.
#106
Posted 17 March 2009 - 21:49
I almost found that one actually. Googling brought me to this site ... http://befastpast.bl...-car-owner.html ... but I wasn't smart enough to notice the Mario Bianchi link on the right. I would have seen this 1934 Red Lion Special photo ... http://befastpast.bl...l/Mario Bianchi ... and the article you supplied.
#107
Posted 18 March 2009 - 04:39
Originally posted by fines
Date D CR St Venue TT RD Winner Team/Owner Chassis Engine Time 1933-02-26 P ? CA Ascot D- 62½ Bob Carey Joe Marks Marks SC-33 Miller 255 ? 1933-03-05 P ? CA Imperial D1 60 Ernie Triplett Bill White White Miller 220 ? 1933-03-19 P ? CA Ascot D- 95 Ernie Triplett Bill White White Miller 220 1:09'44" 1933-04-02 P ? CA Ascot D- 25 Ernie Triplett Bill White White Miller 220 ? 1933-04-16 P ? CA Ascot D- 62½ Babe Stapp ? ? ? ?
Missing is the March 26 100 lap race at Ascot. Bob Carey won in the Marks Miller setting a new record of 45 minutes, 41.81 seconds... Triplett-2nd... Chet Gardner-3rd... Sam Palmer-4th... Babe Stapp-5th
For April 2nd (Bob Carey's last race)- Carey won the first 25 lap heat in 11 minutes, 8 seconds. Triplett won the second 25 lap heat in 15 minutes, 21.40 seconds. Triplett won the 40 lap main event in 17 minutes, 57 seconds.
Below is one of a dozen or so photos I purchased from the grandson of Joe Marks. March 26 Helmet Dash victory kiss from Celeste Edwards...
Edited by GILMORE, 17 September 2009 - 02:23.
#108
Posted 18 March 2009 - 09:31
Boy, does this thread need rejuvenation? ;)
About the Mario Bianchi pic, I would believe it to be a few years younger, 1935 would be my guess. I have seen Mario in a #36 "Red Lion" in a roster of 1935 Ascot cars; also the car looks a bit too "classy" for me to have run in the Northwest in 1932 - no disrespect meant, but the money simply wasn't there!
Two more pictures of the same car can be found in the late Don Radbruch's "Dirt Track Auto Racing 1919-1941", p260: dated May 25, 1934, the car carries #2 and the "Gilmore Special" name, and the paint scheme is more reminiscent of the later Bill White/Shorty Cantlon "Cocktail Hour Cigarette" and "Sullivan & O'Brien" cars at Indy, which was quite popular during the latter part of the thirties.
#109
Posted 18 March 2009 - 09:38
Ahhh... you don't get me that easily!Originally posted by GILMORE
Missing is the March 26 100 lap race at Ascot. Bob Carey won in the Marks Miller setting a new record of 45 minutes, 41.81 seconds... Triplett-2nd... Chet Gardner-3rd... Sam Palmer-4th... Babe Stapp-5th
For April 2nd (Bob Carey's last race)- Carey won the first 25 lap heat in 11 minutes, 8 seconds. Triplett won the second 25 lap heat in 15 minutes, 21.40 seconds. Triplett won the 40 lap main event in 17 minutes, 57 seconds.
Below is one of a dozen or so photos I purchased from the grandson of Joe Marks. March 26 Helmet Dash victory kiss from Celeste Edwards...
I have March 26 as the date for a rain-out at Oakland, and chances are the boys all towed north only to find out they went in vain! In fact, the data you post for March 26 matches what I have for February 26, too much of a coincidence?;)
1933, Feb 26, AAA Pacific Coast Championship round 5, Legion Ascot Speedway, Alhambra (CA)
100 laps of 0.625 mile oiled dirt track
1 Bob Carey, 45'48.1" ® -- 45'43.8" (?), 45'41.8" (???)
2 Ernie Triplett
3 Chet Gardner
4 Sam Palmer
5 Babe Stapp
6 Al Gordon
7 Stubby Stubblefield
8 Woody Woodford, 98 laps (engine)
Fast Time: Triplett, 25.81" ®
Helmet Dash: Carey, 52.40" ®
Points: 1 Carey 143.39, 2 Triplett 133.30, 3 Wilbur Shaw 72.38, 4 Al Theisen 50.57, 5 Stapp 39.31, 6 Bill Cummings 34.60, 7 Gardner 27.40, 8 Chris Vest 24.19, 9 Kelly Petillo 23.91, 10 Palmer 23.49
But anyway, thanks very much for your contributions, all and everything is welcome!
#110
Posted 18 March 2009 - 15:23
As for my March 26 mistake, I was given bad info from an April, 1933 Speedway magazine article...
#111
Posted 18 March 2009 - 15:59
P.S. Yes, you're right about the "triple feature" on April 2.
#113
Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:04
Originally posted by fines
Interesting! I still think it to be an error, as I have my info from contemporary newspapers, and it would be odd for them to miss a race, wouldn't it? Does the rest of the race info match what I posted about the Feb 26 event?
P.S. Yes, you're right about the "triple feature" on April 2.
I believe your info is right. I have found "misprints" in these old mags before.
#114
Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:46
That means we're looking at five Ascot races, and one each at Oakland and Imperial, plus a possible Oakland appearance before the rains on March 26! I've had one of the latter confuse me before, there's a picture of Bill Cummings sitting in "Poison Lil" with #6 at Oakland, trouble is he never raced that car with that number at that track, only at Ascot, or #5!!! Caused me a lot of head scratching, and a wrong theory in desperation! In the end, I found out that a race at Oakland was rained out after qualifications had already begun, so that picture was probably taken then - phew!
Notice how the lion is pale in the first pic, and in a different position in the third? I have seen another pic of it with the lion in the same position as pic #3, but without the "LION HEAD" legend (helmet different, too)! That already makes three different configurations for five events (I'm pretty sure all are from Ascot)!
#115
Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:56
Btw, that are Harry Meyer, E. J. Sanders, Louie Meyer and Dave Koetzla behind the car. Second picture: Harry Meyer (?), Joe Marks and Louie Meyer. But I bet you knew that already...;)Originally posted by GILMORE
Feb 12?, Mar 19?, other???...
#116
Posted 18 March 2009 - 22:38
I've helped out a couple Louis & Eddie Meyer collectors in the past and one of them emailed some of those photos to Louis "Sonny" Meyer, Jr. I knew most of the info he gave already but was still excited to receive the email from him, a legend himself. Sonny's response is below...
"The Gilmore # 6 Car was built by my Dad. He sold the car to Joe Marks. Dad was building two new cars for the 1933 Indy 500. One for himself to drive and the other for Bob Carey to drive. My Dad was helping on the car as he couldnt drive due to a broken collar bone and left shoulder (notice how his shirt is out in front because of the brace under it). When my Dad went thru the fence at Ascot and couldnt drive, he hired Carey to drive for him. April 16, 1933 Carey was killed at Ascot and this could be the picture the morning of the day he crashed. Dad healed up enough and went on to win the Indy 500 for the second time in May 1933."
Am I correct that the '33 Marks Indy 500 entry was the second car he built and that was the car Carey was to drive that year?
Here a some more Joe Marks photos.. Purchased several of the #3 car at Indy, all have Wilcox in the car though. Last one is from Rose's 2nd at Detroit...
Edited by GILMORE, 17 September 2009 - 02:25.
#117
Posted 18 March 2009 - 23:28
Well, "building" the cars is a bit of an exaggeration, I'm afraid - "race preparation" is the word we'd be using today. In those days, that included a total teardown of chassis and engine - well, not too different from today, actually, except that the drivers usually did it themselves. Imagine Lewis Hamilton sitting in front of a million pieces of his McLaren/Mercedes-Benz!Originally posted by GILMORE
"The Gilmore # 6 Car was built by my Dad. He sold the car to Joe Marks. Dad was building two new cars for the 1933 Indy 500. One for himself to drive and the other for Bob Carey to drive. My Dad was helping on the car as he couldnt drive due to a broken collar bone and left shoulder (notice how his shirt is out in front because of the brace under it). When my Dad went thru the fence at Ascot and couldnt drive, he hired Carey to drive for him. April 16, 1933 Carey was killed at Ascot and this could be the picture the morning of the day he crashed. Dad healed up enough and went on to win the Indy 500 for the second time in May 1933."
Am I correct that the '33 Marks Indy 500 entry was the second car he built and that was the car Carey was to drive that year?
Lou Meyer was preparing two cars, the 1931 Miller of Ralph Hepburn, who was still nursing his 1932 New Years Day Oakland injuries (though he would eventually drive another car at Indy) for himself, and the 1931 Meyer/Miller, the car he had driven to fourth in '31, and Carey again to fourth in '32, for Carey. After Carey's death, Howdy Wilcox was selected to drive the car, qualified it for the second row and was then disqualified for medical reasons. Rose stepped in, but retired after a stormy drive.
Thanks for the pictures!
#118
Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:35
http://forums.autosp...threadid=107033
#119
Posted 03 May 2009 - 20:56
I've managed to crack the Pacific Coast code!
Perhaps the most complicated scoring formula devised, certainly for its time, but I think I have now managed to find out how it worked, at least for the top finishing positions, and for the year 1933! I am almost sure it wasn't changed during all seven years of the championship, but I'll need to check a few items first... If there's interest, I'll post my findings in the afternoon...
Well, eight months on (gosh, where's the time? ), I am still not much further with the Pacific Coast Drivers Championship points, although I know by now why the scoring is so unpredictable - it's closely coupled to the purse breakdown, and as such it is subject to change, quite simply! The purse structure may stay the same for months, but then also change from race to race, so that without detailed info it is impossible to reconstruct the standings! I believe that studying the AAA microfilm reels will finally yield a lot of that data, but especially for the very early races the outlook is rather bleak. Oh well...
Seems my joy was a bit premature...
Last night I thought I had it cracked, with just a few minor irregularities that might have been down to typos or even miscalculations, but when I checked a few more race results this morning... IT'S ALL GONE!!! CHAOS REIGNS AGAIN!!! AARRRGHH!!!!!
Sigh! Sometimes I do believe they really drew these figures out of a hat...
[shakes his head in disbelief...]
On the other hand, I have also good news, because I managed to discover how the Owners Championship worked - it's actually very simple, and was the same for all races, completely disregarding the different race distances, and only counting main event results:
1st place - 40 pts,
2nd place - 20 pts,
3rd place - 10 pts,
4th place - 5 pts,
and 5th place - 2½ pts.
Unfortunately, finding out who drove what is not that simple, and owners point standings are almost as rare as hen's teeth or rocking horse droppings, but with a bit of detective work and lots of sleuthing, coupled with the indispensable aid of copies from Ascot programme pages provided by Jeremy GILMORE , I managed to reconstruct the final points table of the...
1932 AAA Pacific Coast Owners Championships
Pos Car Owner Total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 1 # 6 Sparks (n) 605 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - 10 - 20 20 10 5 5 40 - 20 - - 40 - 10 40 40 - 10 40 - 40 10 10 # 6 Sparks (o) 10 - 40 20 10 - - 40 40 - - 10 40 - 20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 # 1 White (n) 597½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 40 40 # 1 White (o) 40 40 - - 20 - 20 2½ 2½20 - - 10 20 - - 40 40 - - - - - 20 20 20 10 5 20 20 40 - 40 - - 2½ 2½ 2½ - - 20 20 - - 10 - - - 3 #19 De Paolo 582½ 2½ 5 - - - 20 - - - - 20 - - 2½ - - 2½ - 5 - - - - 40 40 - 40 40 40 - - 20 20 40 40 5 - 20 20 20 - 40 - 20 40 20 20 - 4 # 5 Ward 535 - - - - - - - - - 10 10 20 - 5 40 40 20 20 20 20 40 5 40 5 - 10 - 2½ - 40 20 - - 10 - 40 - - 40 2½ 5 - 20 5 20 5 - 20 5 #44 Jacobs 260 - 20 20 40 - - - 10 - 2½ 2½ - 2½ - 2½ - - - 2½ - 10 40 10 - - 40 - - 2½ - - - 5 - - 20 10 5 - 10 - - - - - - - 5 6 # 9 Haskell 255 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ 2½ - - - 2½ - 2½ #48 Blauvelt - - - - - - - 20 10 40 40 - 5 10 - 20 - - - - - - 20 - 5 - 5 10 5 2½10 10 10 - 5 - 5 10 2½ - - - - - - - - - 7 # 2 Gardner 247½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 10 - - 40 5 20 - - 10 - 5 2½ - - 10 - 5 - 5 - - 20 40 5 5 10 5 40 2½ - - 2½ - 8 # 8 Quinn 117½ - - - 10 - - 5 - 20 - - 40 - 40 - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 9 #15 Meyer 112½ 20 2½ - 5 40 - 40 - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 # 7 McClurg 67½ - - - - 2½ 5 2½ - - - - 5 - - - 5 10 - - 10 - 20 - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - 11 # 3 Tarbet 60 - - - - - 10 - - - - 5 2½20 - 10 - - 10 - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 12 #12 Deulin 40 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - 2½ - 2½20 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - 13 #23 Bielch 25 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - - - - - # 2 Harrison - 10 2½ - - 2½ - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 14 #28 Duray 17½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - 2½10 2½ - - - 15 #18 Edwards 12½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #18 Moore - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 16 #14 Vieaux 10 - - 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 17 #21 Rasor 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18 #30 Martinson 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 - - - - - - 19 #54 Blomgren 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 20 #10 Cantlon 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - - - #28 Christensen - - - 2½ - 40 10 - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # 9 Fox - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ 5 5 10 40 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # 9 Ward 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #39 Stricker - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # ? - - - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #17 Monson - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # ? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # ? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # ? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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#120
Posted 03 May 2009 - 21:09
Anyway, a few words of explanation: the top 20 positions are from the programme of the last race of the season, with me editing in the points of that last race. Below are a few more entries that didn't make the top twenty, although you will note that the first two (#28 Christensen and #9 Ward/Fox) should have done so! I have no real explanation for their omission from the final table, except that they both disappeared from the Championship around mid-season, but then again Louis Meyer's #15 did the same! Also, you will need to understand that the Championship was for owner's entries, rather than real cars, hence the (n) and (o) suffices to the #6 Sparks and #1 White entries - both started the season with an "old" car (o), and finished with a "new" one (n).
A few more idiosyncrasies: #30 Martinson is actually the same car as #9 Ward/Fox, but with a new owner mid-season, so that points were allocated seperately. Yet, #9 Haskell was the former #48 Blauvelt, but kept the points scored by the first owner, and the same goes for #2 Harrison/#23 Bielch, #18 Moore/Edwards and, intriguingly, #9 Fox which was #9 Ward in the first race(s) of the season! Somewhat less controversally, #28 Duray also ran as #64 Duray, initially - it's Leon Duray's Miller, actually, that departed in August for Italy and the Monza Grand Prix, and upon returning to California in October received a new coat of paint, and a new number!
Finally, it should perhaps be pointed out that the Owners Championship was the real highlight of the season's final race, as the Drivers Championship had already been clinched a couple of weeks earlier by Ernie Triplett, despite the fact that 100 points were at stake for the winner of this race, the most ever for a Pacific Coast Championship round! But there were still three cars in the running for the Owners title, and three other cars were even more closely bunched fighting for 5th place. Leading the chase was the #6 Sparks, the "defending Champion", but even second place in the race would not have been enough if #19 De Paolo won, and the latter (driven by Wilbur Shaw) led the race for the first 150 of 200 laps, except for a period after the inevitable pit stop! Then, the whole thing ended in tears as Al Gordon spun the #23 Bielch in Turn 1, trapping Shaw who had no alternative but to crash into it, nearly taking Triplett in #1 White out with him - and that wasn't even the end of it!
Now Triplett led, and was in a position to clinch the title for his owner, too, provided Bill Cummings in the Sparks couldn't finish the long grind in the top four, but instead "Wild Bill" was "putting on the coals", and trying to wrest the lead from Ernie, until a puncture put him into the guard rail, eight laps from the finish! Cummings managed to steer his racer to the pits, had the tyre changed and stormed off again, narrowly catching Carl Ryder before the end to finish third - phew! The fight for 5th place in the championship was equally close and dramatic, with Chet Gardner laying down the gauntlet by qualifying his own #2 for pole position, then losing out within seconds of the start by crashing and flipping in the first turn! Incidentally, the overturned racer was left in its position for the rest of the race, and provided an interesting background for the photographers when snapping pics of the Shaw/Gordon incident, over an hour later! Now the decision lay between #44 Jacobs, driven by Ryder, and #9 Haskell (Stubby Stubblefield), and whoever finished ahead would take the spot, but with both running in close company for nearly the full distance the issue wasn't decided until the very last lap - 11,000 spectators simply ate it up!
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#121
Posted 03 May 2009 - 22:33
Seems to work OK, other than the width, but it's more familiar this way around than in columns.Hm, well, yes... I actually expected that... I started this table several weeks ago, before the new software "hit" us, and it doesn't really work out like I planned it! Maybe I should have arranged the points in columns instead of lines, but I was not going to start all over again. Hm.
The Christensen and Fox entries may have been forgotten by the programme editors? More difficult to forget Meyer as an Indy winner. Plus if Martinson had taken over the Fox car it would be obvious that Fox was no longer in the points battle. And there were new numbers 28 and 9, so it would have confused.
Great work though fines. How big were owners' championships compared to drivers'? It's also funny how many races counted for the regional titles when the national was down to a couple of races.
#122
Posted 03 May 2009 - 22:51
How big? I'd guess only the owners themselves cared at all, and then only those who were "in the hunt"! When I said 11,000 spectators ate it up I was refering to the spectacular and dramatic race!How big were owners' championships compared to drivers'?
Good point about the numbers being reused, and the programme editors perhaps trying to avoid confusion!
#123
Posted 04 May 2009 - 08:02
Pos Car Owner Total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 1 # 6 Sparks (n) 605 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - 10 - 20 20 10 5 5 40 - 20 - - 40 - 10 40 40 - 10 40 - 40 10 10 # 6 Sparks (o) 10 - 40 20 10 - - 40 40 - - 10 40 - 20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 # 1 White (n) 597½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 40 40 # 1 White (o) 40 40 - - 20 - 20 2½ 2½20 - - 10 20 - - 40 40 - - - - - 20 20 20 10 5 20 20 40 - 40 - - 2½ 2½ 2½ - - 20 20 - - 10 - - - 3 #19 De Paolo 582½ 2½ 5 - - - 20 - - - - 20 - - 2½ - - 2½ - 5 - - - - 40 40 - 40 40 40 - - 20 20 40 40 5 - 20 20 20 - 40 - 20 40 20 20 - 4 # 5 Ward 535 - - - - - - - - - 10 10 20 - 5 40 40 20 20 20 20 40 5 40 5 - 10 - 2½ - 40 20 - - 10 - 40 - - 40 2½ 5 - 20 5 20 5 - 20 5 #44 Jacobs 260 - 20 20 40 - - - 10 - 2½ 2½ - 2½ - 2½ - - - 2½ - 10 40 10 - - 40 - - 2½ - - - 5 - - 20 10 5 - 10 - - - - - - - 5 6 # 9 Haskell 255 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ 2½ - - - 2½ - 2½ #48 Blauvelt - - - - - - - 20 10 40 40 - 5 10 - 20 - - - - - - 20 - 5 - 5 10 5 2½10 10 10 - 5 - 5 10 2½ - - - - - - - - - 7 # 2 Gardner 247½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 10 - - 40 5 20 - - 10 - 5 2½ - - 10 - 5 - 5 - - 20 40 5 5 10 5 40 2½ - - 2½ - 8 # 8 Quinn 117½ - - - 10 - - 5 - 20 - - 40 - 40 - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 9 #15 Meyer 112½ 20 2½ - 5 40 - 40 - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -10 # 7 McClurg 67½ - - - - 2½ 5 2½ - - - - 5 - - - 5 10 - - 10 - 20 - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 -11 # 3 Tarbet 60 - - - - - 10 - - - - 5 2½20 - 10 - - 10 - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -12 #12 Deulin 40 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - 2½ - 2½20 10 - - - - - - - - - - - -13 #23 Bielch 25 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - - - - - # 2 Harrison - 10 2½ - - 2½ - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -14 #28 Duray 17½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - 2½10 2½ - - -15 #18 Edwards 12½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #18 Moore - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -16 #14 Vieaux 10 - - 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -17 #21 Rasor 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - -18 #30 Martinson 10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10 - - - - - -19 #54 Blomgren 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -20 #10 Cantlon 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - - - ? # 9 Fox 67½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ 5 5 10 40 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # 9 Ward 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ? #28 Christensen 57½ - - - 2½ - 40 10 - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ? #39 Stricker 5 - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ? # ? 5 - - - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ? #17 Monson 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ? # ? 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ? # ? 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ? # ? 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2½ - - - - - - - - - - - - -Is that better?
#124
Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:07
# 6 Sparks (n)
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#125
Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:26
New for Wilbur...
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#126
Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:52
New for Ernie...
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#127
Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:57
New in September of...
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#128
Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:16
New for Lou...
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#129
Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:26
You might have said it somewhere else, but was the car owned by Sparks and Weirick from new until 1936, and then by Weirick alone until 1949?
#130
Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:30
New for Arvol...
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#131
Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:33
That is the way I understand it. It's not always obvious, as ownership is sometimes assigned to one or the other, and sometimes to "Sparks & Weirick" in the early years. But from 1937 onwards, Art Sparks was working for (and sometimes against ) Joel Thorne (Thorne Engineering Co.), so Weirick would be the sole owner.Re Sparks #6 Poison Lil
You might have said it somewhere else, but was the car owned by Sparks and Weirick from new until 1936, and then by Weirick alone until 1949?
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#132
Posted 04 May 2009 - 12:01
Built by Johnny...
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#133
Posted 04 May 2009 - 12:25
# 9 Haskell
New for Wilbur....
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#134
Posted 04 May 2009 - 12:59
Started life as...
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#135
Posted 04 May 2009 - 13:36
New in February...
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#136
Posted 04 May 2009 - 14:31
New October...
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#137
Posted 04 May 2009 - 14:48
New October...
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#138
Posted 04 May 2009 - 15:17
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#139
Posted 05 May 2009 - 08:31
Possibly built in...
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#140
Posted 05 May 2009 - 08:50
#23 Bielch
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#141
Posted 05 May 2009 - 09:43
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#142
Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:07
#18 Edwards
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#143
Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:30
Apparently built in...
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#144
Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:55
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#145
Posted 06 May 2009 - 15:03
# 9 Fox
#30 Martinson
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#146
Posted 06 May 2009 - 15:42
I know next to nothing about the Blomgren, but I'd guess that it was built in 1931, and sold to the Zottarelli brothers in early '33, and probably used up in the West Coast minor leagues.
#10 Cantlon
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#147
Posted 06 May 2009 - 16:10
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#148
Posted 01 June 2009 - 18:52
Driver wins miles years Rex Mays 71 3451 1933-49 Tommy Milton 15 3401¼ 1920-25 Jimmy Murphy 16 3290 1920-24 Wilbur Shaw 20 2830½ 1929-40 Louie Meyer 8 2250 1928-36 Mauri Rose 23 2209 1931-48 Pete de Paolo 9 2095 1925-27 Ernie Triplett 40 1979 1929-34 Tony Bettenhausen 23 1950 1941-53 Bill Cummings 21 1786¼ 1930-34 Ted Horn 89 1778¼ 1934-48 Frank Lockhart 16 1737½ 1925-27 Johnnie Parsons 17 1696 1948-53 Kelly Petillo 17 1570½ 1932-35 Jimmy Bryan 30 1562 1951-55 Al Gordon 25 1490 1932-36 Bill Holland 63 1470½ 1938-53 Troy Ruttman 49 1416 1949-52 Ralph de Palma 40 1374 1920-31 Billy Winn 53 1292½ 1930-38 Tommy Hinnershitz 95 1244 1936-55 Bill Vukovich 4 1200 1952-54 Chet Gardner 28 1162½ 1926-38 Fred Frame 25 1145½ 1927-32 Ray Keech 6 1085½ 1927-29 Bob Sweikert 18 1030 1953-55 Eddie Hearne 8 1015 1920-23 Bennie Hill 5 1000 1922-26 Harry Hartz 6 970 1922-26 Shorty Cantlon 13 947½ 1926-34 Billy Arnold 5 926¼ 1929-31 Bob Sall 50 862 1931-41 Floyd Roberts 9 861½ 1934-38 Bob Carey 16 859 1931-33 Duke Nalon 29 785 1937-41 Earl Cooper 4 750 1921-26 Francis Quinn 19 682½ 1929-31 Lee Wallard 9 682½ 1939-51 Babe Stapp 13 681½ 1924-39 Joie Chitwood 44 664 1939-47 Ira Vail 26 658 1920-28 Louis Schneider 3 656 1927-31 Walt Faulkner 3 650 1950-51 George Souders 5 647 1925-28 Roscoe Sarles 3 625 1920-21 Gaston Chevrolet 2 600 1920 Chuck Stevenson 4 600 1952-54 Tony Willman 27 586½ 1931-41 George Robson 6 580 1946 Lou Moore 8 571¼ 1927-31 Stubby Stubblefield 13 571¼ 1929-32 Johnny Hannon 19 519 1933-35 Red Shafer 5 518½ 1922-33 Cliff Woodbury 5 512½ 1927-29 Harlan Fengler 2 500 1923-24 Bob McDonogh 2 500 1925 Doc MacKenzie 23 478 1934-36 Mike Nazaruk 19 465 1950-55 Dave Lewis 2 449½ 1926-27 Myron Fohr 4 433 1948-49 Johnny Mantz 19 421¼ 1948-50 Manuel Ayulo 2 400 1954 Jack McGrath 4 400 1950-53 Jimmy Sharp 15 392½ 1929-30 Les Spangler 9 387½ 1932 Leon DUray 3 381¼ 1926-27 Jimmy Davies 5 350 1949-54 Frank Elliott 2 350 1922-25 Mel Kenealy 14 348 1928-30 Bill Schindler 18 326 1938-52 Floyd Davis 5 325 1934-41 Maynard Clark 8 300 1933-35 Tazio Nuvolari 1 300 1936 Bernd Rosemeyer 1 300 1937 Joe Thomas 2 300 1921-22 Duane Carter 19 299 1950-55 Johnny Thomson 13 295 1953-55 Mel Hansen 5 288 1948-49 Sam Hanks 3 283 1953-54 Mark Light 22 282 1938-51 Dutch Baumann 4 279 1927-29 Slim Corum 1 277½ 1924 Arvol Brunmier 9 262½ 1930-32 Emil Andres 5 260 1933-48 Paul Russo 5 252½ 1950-53 Earl Devore 1 250 1926 Pat Flaherty 1 250 1955 Bryan Saulpaugh 10 242½ 1931-32 Pat O'Connor 13 238 1953-55 Walt May 6 230½ 1929-30 Frank Farmer 3 225 1930 Red Fetterman 1 225 1921 Al Theisen 9 224¼ 1932-34 Joe Boyer 1 222½ 1924 Sam Ross 3 210 1931 Howdy Wilcox 4 207½ 1921-23 Bill Spence 4 206¼ 1926-29 Frankie Bailey 13 200 1936-38 Freddie Winnai 4 195½ 1927-29 Vic Nauman 12 187½ 1938-41 Vern Orenduff 12 185 1934-37 Jimmy Snyder 5 185 1936-38 Bert Karnatz 5 175 1928-31 Spider Webb 16 166½ 1947-50 Eddie Sachs 6 166¼ 1952-55 Bill Albertson 8 165 1921-30 Speed Hinkley 3 162½ 1929-31 Ira Hall 7 160 1931-34 Ben Shaw 8 160 1934-37 Duke Dinsmore 4 159 1940-50 Frankie Beeder 10 156 1936-38 Harris Insinger 8 152½ 1932-35 Rodger Ward 2 151 1953 Walt Brown 5 150 1939-48 Fred Comer 1 150 1925 Gene Haustein 3 150 1930-32 Joe James 9 147½ 1950-52 Bob Robinson 4 145 1927-30 Hal Cole 4 139 1935-37 Johnny Sawyer 6 135½ 1929-34 George Connor 3 131 1937-46 Lou Unser 10 127 1934-53 Deacon Litz 3 125 1929 Walt Ader 5 124½ 1946-47 Fred Luelling 3 119 1923-24 Joe Sostilio 7 117½ 1952-53 Larry Crockett 4 115 1953-54 Johnny Kreiger 4 115 1929-30 Lloyd Vieaux 4 115 1932-34 Nick Martino 4 112½ 1929-32 Ken Fowler 6 110 1934-35 Sam Hoffman 3 110 1929-33 Charley van Acker 2 110 1946-47 Johnny Ulesky 7 105 1938-39 Freddie Agabashian 1 100 1949 Bobby Ball 1 100 1952 Henry Banks 1 100 1950 Wally Campbell 8 100 1953-54 Bill Chittum 1 100 1929 Jimmy Gibbons 8 100 1948-49 Sam Palmer 3 100 1932-33 Howard Taylor 1 100 1928 Ed Winfield 1 100 1927 Johnny Gerber 8 95 1925-33 Ernie McCoy 6 90 1952-54 Gus Schrader 4 90 1931-33 Buddie Rusch 5 89 1939-41 Glenn Shultz 7 87½ 1923-33 Swede Smith 2 87½ 1930 Herb Balmer 3 85 1933-34 Tommy Mattson 5 82½ 1947-48 Al Rogers 6 77 1940-51 Bill Heisler 2 75 1929 Mel McKee 2 75 1930-31 Carl Ryder 3 75 1931-32 Hank Rogers 6 72½ 1941-52 Herman Schurch 4 70 1928-30 Len Duncan 3 65 1939 Norm Batten 2 63 1925 Frank Wearne 3 62½ 1935-37 Tommy Dawson 2 60 1923-27 Al Herman 2 60 1954-55 Andy Linden 4 60 1950-55 Bill Mackey 2 60 1949-50 Henry Turgeon 2 60 1927-30 Charlie Musselman 4 59½ 1954-55 Clay Weatherly 3 55 1934 Frank McGurk 2 52½ 1936-41 Tom Alley 1 50 1922 Al Aspen 1 50 1931 Floyd Bobzien 1 50 1927 Eddie Casterline 2 50 1940 Clay Corbitt 1 50 1933 Allen Heath 3 50 1952-53 Jimmy Randolph 1 50 1925 Roy Reed 1 50 1921 Jerry Hoyt 3 49 1953-55 Jimmy Patterson 3 47½ 1931-33 Ottis Stine 5 47½ 1949-51 Gene Force 3 47 1952 Milt McBride 3 45 1922-23 Johnny Shackleford 3 43 1946-47 Chuck Tabor 3 42½ 1933-36 Roy Huston 2 42 1925-26 Rick Decker 2 40 1930 Joe Russo 2 40 1932-33 Ted Simpson 1 40 1930 Bus Wilbert 3 40 1946 Elbert Booker 3 37½ 1941-46 Ray Pixley 1 37½ 1935 Jimmy Daywalt 2 35 1950-51 Al Keller 3 35 1954 Paul Young 2 35 1938 Lucky Lux 3 31 1946-47 Speed Adams 2 30 1932 George Clark 1 30 1921 Jimmy Gleason 2 30 1927-29 Jackie Holmes 3 30 1948-49 Walt Keiper 2 30 1934-35 Mike Little 2 30 1939 Dave Randolph 2 27½ 1941 Oscar Ridlon 2 27½ 1946 Bill Holmes 2 27 1937-38 George Bailey 1 25 1931 Malcolm Fox 2 25 1932-34 Charley Gelston 1 25 1931 Ernie Gesell 1 25 1937 Otto Loesche 2 25 1920-24 Chuck Myers 2 25 1925-31 Archie Powell 1 25 1931 Hal Robson 1 25 1946 Jack Ross 1 25 1923 Bill Shoop 1 25 1931 Eddie Staneck 1 25 1935 Johnnie Tolan 1 25 1951 Art Boyce 1 24½ 1933 Wes Breeding 1 20 1933 Oliver Kley 1 20 1930 Al Miller 1 20 1933 Jimmie Wilburn 1 20 1946 Adolph Gusti 1 19 1924 Jiggs Peters 2 17½ 1954-55 Jack Rose 1 17½ 1938 Harry Angeloni 1 15 1934 Bumpy Bumpus 1 15 1946 Johnny Duncan 1 15 1936 Ed Elisian 1 15 1954 Jules Ellingboe 1 15 1921 Charley Engle 1 15 1934 Gottlieb Flick 1 15 1933 Charles Ganung 2 15 1928-29 Chet Gibbons 1 15 1939 Clyde Gilbert 1 15 1928 Henry Guerand 1 15 1938 Bert Hellmueller 1 15 1933 Johnny Key 1 15 1954 Bob King 1 15 1954 Russ Klar 1 15 1953 Harold Larzelere 1 15 1932 Tee Linn 1 15 1933 Fred Lyons 1 15 1924 Jack Moon 1 15 1938 Don Moore 1 15 1934 Len Perry 1 15 1935 Rex Records 1 15 1939 Jim Rigsby 1 15 1952 Ev Saylor 1 15 1940 Bob Swanson 1 15 1936 Harley Taylor 2 15 1938 Dizzy Vance 1 15 1940 Keith Andrews 1 12½ 1954 Noel Bullock 1 12½ 1922 Fred Carpenter 1 12½ 1947 Bob Finney 1 12½ 1955 Don Freeland 1 12½ 1954 George Hammond 1 12½ 1952 Mike Magill 1 12½ 1954 Ed Phillips 1 12½ 1929 Bill Randall 1 12½ 1948 King Rhiley 1 12½ 1921 Harry Robtoy 1 12½ 1941 Bob Scott 1 12½ 1953 Joe Verebly 1 12½ 1946 Newt Meyer 1 11½ 1939 Bobby Barker 1 10 1951 Larry Beals 1 10 1922 Jim Benedict 1 10 1920 Charlie Breslin 1 10 1938 Bert Ficken 1 10 1931 Ted Kessler 1 10 1932 Danny Kladis 1 10 1954 Speed McFee 1 10 1949 Carl Scarborough 1 10 1947 Roy Sherman 1 10 1950 Ed Terry 1 10 1950 Omar Toft 1 10 1921 Rex Williams 1 10 1939 Billy Darragh 1 8 1923 Earl Johns 1 8 1947 Buster Warke 1 8 1947 H. H. Campbell 1 7½ 1931 Lloyd Axel 2 ? 1933-34 Frank Brisko 2 ? 1931 Pat Cunningham 2 ? 1929-30 Slim Harper 1 ? 1925 Bud Henderson 1 ? 1939 Bob Hoffman 1 ? 1921 Roy Lake 1 ? 1938 Don MacDonald 1 ? 1938 Tommy McWilliams 1 ? 1936 Zeke Meyer 1 ? 1929 Jack Petticord 2 ? 1925 Lou Schempp 1 ? 1926 Steve Truchan 1 ? 1941 Doug Wallace 1 ? 1927
My database for this timeframe now includes circa 4,000 races, of which circa 2,500 were AAA events - minus circa 150 Class B events, and minus circa 350 races of which I don't know the winner, so that this list now includes almost 300 drivers with very close to 2,000 race wins, the total distance of which adds up to more than 90,000 miles! Circa 250 additional AAA races were cancelled or postponed, and at a rough guess I suspect that about the same number of AAA races is still "out there", waiting to be discovered! Additionally, there are still many question marks about some of those races, as the info came from sources that have subsequently proved to be not reliable, and on many occasions the sanctioning body is not exactly clear - for the record, in the case of co-sanctions involving AAA the races have been included in this list, of course.
What makes the list interesting is that by adding up the "winning miles", i.e. the distances covered in the races won, it sort of levels the field for those who prefered to race in few long races against those who ran many short ones. You will notice that, for example, Tommy Hinnershitz racked up about the same figure of "winning miles" with almost a hundred wins, against Bill Vukovich with merely four! Thus, it about accurately reflects the status of the drivers, as the prime motivator in professional racing is always the purse, and in AAA that was always closely connected to the overall distance of the races. Overall I'm pretty well pleased with the list, as in my opinion it much better reflects reality in ranking than does a list which merely tabulates overall race wins, or points won in National Championship races alone.
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#149
Posted 18 June 2009 - 18:52
# 3 Tarbet
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#150
Posted 02 July 2009 - 19:22
1 - Ted Horn - 315
2 - Rex Mays - 194
3 - George Conner - 93
4 - Emil Andres - 88
5 - Floyd Davis - 84.5
6 - Lou Webb - 67.5
7 - Shorty Cantlon - 58.5
8 - Lewis Durant - 57.5
9 - Tony Willman - 55
10 - Mauri Rose - 52
11 - Frank McGurk - 39
12 - Pete Romcevich - 30.5
13 - George Barringer - 29.5
14 - Billy Devore - 28
15 - Duke Nalon - 25
16 - Sam Hanks - 23
17 - Russ Snowberger - 22
18 - Louis Unser - 21
19 - Port DeFrates - 19.5
20 - George Robson - 16
21 - Frank Brisko - 11
22 - Babe Stapp - 10
23 - Al Putnam - 7.5
24 - Joel Thorne - 6
25 - Ted Tetterton - 4.5
26 - Paul Craven - ??