Time for Red Bull to tell Helmut Marko to move on ?

before he wrecks more havoc on the Red Bull brand

That's the thing, in the eyes of top management he's just echoing the thoughts.

He is there because Dieter wants him there.

He is Dieter's eyes and ears I think.

I'm pretty sure Horner has to explain himself to Helmut - not the other way around...

He is there because Dieter wants him there.

He is Dieter's eyes and ears I think.

I think it's fine to debate about the crash, there certainly was some strange stuff going on at RB camp, but people are starting to over-react now. Marko's various appearances to the media in the last few years have always rubbed me the wrong way too, but we don't really know how much worth is his work behind closed doors, do we?

Is it still true that when you think everyone went mad, it's right time to check with your own psychiatrist? This BB is going all mad.

(...) one big agony around the way Red Bull racing. Sad ending to me that Now I hate Red Bull with strong determination.

Of course he should go. Every time he opens his mouth he totally undermines Christian Horner, who is supposed to be the Team Principal.

really?
are you certain of that?
After all its clear CH is doing a bloody fine job of putting his own foot in his mouth without needing any help.

That's the kind of over-reaction I'm talking about. You guys are starting to sound like all those spaniards turning against Ron Dennis in 2007. I do think Webber fans have a little more reason to be upset than Alonso fans at that time, but still. "Hate with strong determination"?

Sakae how many Red Bulls do you drink a day?

Edited by Slowinfastout, 01 June 2010 - 23:47.

Sakae how many Red Bulls do you drink a day?

Edited by Sakae, 02 June 2010 - 02:28.

- Blew the annoucement of DC’s retirement because of his excitement of Vettel going into DC’s seat (insensitive to DC)

- In the winter of 09 while Webber was struggling with fitness and a broken leg, kept talked about how slow Webber was and how Vettel was wiping the floor with him in testing

- Makes blatant cocky statements that makes the team as a whole look bad.. saying things like “with Merc engines he’d be uncatchable at the front”.

- Takes Vettel’s side in everything, he is basically Vettel’s propaganda minister

- In generally insensitive and just blurts stuff out, without thinking beforehand.

And I have no idea how Webber is able to be so calm and diplomatic in these situations.

It could be that Webber knows Marko far better than you and realizes he is not a terrible person, you on the other hand are just obsessed with finding faults with him and Red Bull because they are not biased and taking Webber's side in this incident.

Yes. He's a disgrace to Formula One in general and he's destroying the image Red Bull is trying to make in F1

Only a Poll not a thread as no point in discussing it as it already fills gigabytes in other threads, nor is a poll about Christian Horner

Question is meerkat simple should Dietrich Mateschitz jettison Dr Helmut Marko before he wrecks more havoc on the Red Bull brand.?

I think it's fine to debate about the crash, there certainly was some strange stuff going on at RB camp, but people are starting to over-react now. Marko's various appearances to the media in the last few years have always rubbed me the wrong way too, but we don't really know how much worth is his work behind closed doors, do we?

As long as he is working within the team, I have no respect for Marko or for the Redbull brand and team as a whole. And I have no idea how Webber is able to be so calm and diplomatic in these situations.

Edited by SilentKiller, 02 June 2010 - 09:09.

Interesting that according to this it's been Marko behind moves to ditch Webber for Raikkonen:

http://www.motorspor...p...70996&FS=F1

Interesting that according to this it's been Marko behind moves to ditch Webber for Raikkonen:

http://www.motorspor...p...70996&FS=F1

What conclusion do you draw from?

I take the one that Marko is trying to manipulate Kimi fans, which is big and let them join the Rd Bull band wagon.



In six month time we will have the same discussion, only next time around, it will be Kimi against Vettel, while Mark Weber with wopping 100 million Euro settlement on his contract in Bahama.

Edited by dank, 02 June 2010 - 09:37.

agree that Marko’s credibility is shot. Most serious F1 fans who know him don’t take him too seriously, but when he was talking to German RTL TV and blaming Webber, that’s not very nice is it? Especially for the German viewers who don’t follow F1 seriously.

Here is a small list of Helmut Marko’s social ineptitude.

- Blew the annoucement of DC’s retirement because of his excitement of Vettel going into DC’s seat (insensitive to DC)
- In the winter of 09 while Webber was struggling with fitness and a broken leg, kept talked about how slow Webber was and how Vettel was wiping the floor with him in testing
- Makes blatant cocky statements that makes the team as a whole look bad.. saying things like “with Merc engines he’d be uncatchable at the front”.
- Takes Vettel’s side in everything, he is basically Vettel’s propaganda minister
- In generally insensitive and just blurts stuff out, without thinking beforehand.

If Marko was Vettel’s father, he would be seen differently. But he is the consultant to team owner, and is an official spokesperson in the team. Marko’s comments are seen as “team” comments.

As long as he is working within the team, I have no respect for Marko or for the Redbull brand and team as a whole. And I have no idea how Webber is able to be so calm and diplomatic in these situations.

Edited by Kucki, 02 June 2010 - 10:25.

Dont forget Markos shoving and pushing against Speed and Liuzzi before they sacked both of them in the middle of the season. Helmut Marko is a *******

Dont forget Markos shoving and pushing against Speed and Liuzzi before they sacked both of them in the middle of the season. Helmut Marko is a *******

Q. Some people commented after the race that Mark was to blame - why was that?

CH: Ultimately we win as a team and we lose as a team and on Sunday we lost as a team, as a result of our two drivers having an incident. Having looked at all the information it's clear that it was a racing accident that shouldn't have happened between two team-mates. After looking at all the facts that weren't available immediately after the race, Dr. Marko also fully shares this view.