More moaning about the safety car rules

Edited by Bloggsworth, 12 November 2010 - 16:42.

Hamilton could have had a 1-2 if it weren't for about 7 or 8 backmarkers who wouldn't get out of the way.

They're right though.

Until last weekend I thought the new system was better - fundamentally because it stays truer to the actual track positipn of drivers, and because the cars can all get racing safely sooner.

However, having seen the appalling way the lapped traffic handled themselves last week, I'm afraid the wave-through has to return. Safety is one thing, but we can't have races spoiled through ignorance of blue flags and mirrors.

Eh??????? So vettel puts two cars between himself and Webber then gets Webber up his arse for no good reason?? And i am rooting for Webber!!! it's completely unjust.

You've all gone stark raving bloody mad.

The SC just reduces the gap anyway, said driver would have had to lap these cars in any event so why punish the guy that put one, two, three lapped cars between himself and the guy behind him????

Absolutely MYSTIFYING why so many here call for the lapped cars to be let through then call NASCAR a faked sport. It is just the same as NASCAR.

How about scrapping the safety car? If an incident is bad enough to need the SC, red-flag it. Or use the Dutch Code 40, slow everyone down to pit-lane speed.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Edited by Dunder, 12 November 2010 - 17:08.

Tough ****. And if he's so quick, he won't have any problems getting away again.

Maybe he's not so quick, maybe he's nursing a lead and was better at picking his way through traffic.

It's fake racing.

The driver in the lead is a lap better than the guy in 2nd at driving through traffic?

Eh??????? So vettel puts two cars between himself and Webber then gets Webber up his arse for no good reason?? And i am rooting for Webber!!! it's completely unjust.

You've all gone stark raving bloody mad.

The SC just reduces the gap anyway, said driver would have had to lap these cars in any event so why punish the guy that put one, two, three lapped cars between himself and the guy behind him????

The driver in the lead is a lap better than the guy in 2nd at driving through traffic?

Edited by flyer121, 12 November 2010 - 17:17.

WHAT??????

Regarding the latter point, if they're all going slowly in line-astern and there are back-markers within that line, apart from the actual presence of the SC what would be the difference from the present system? They would surely still get in the way of the leaders at the re-start.

As I understand it, the rule was changed this year because it took too long for all the back-markers to overtake the SC, complete a lap at relatively high speed and catch up with the end of the queue.

If that is the case, is there any reason why the rules cannot be amended to allow the back-markers to simply let the lead-lap runners past them while they're all in the queue?

Wouldn't that save all the time and excessive speed etc that was the argument against letting the back-markers pass the SC, while at the same time get them out of the way of the leaders.

Or have I missed something?

Regarding the latter point, if they're all going slowly in line-astern and there are back-markers within that line, apart from the actual presence of the SC what would be the difference from the present system? They would surely still get in the way of the leaders at the re-start.

As I understand it, the rule was changed this year because it took too long for all the back-markers to overtake the SC, complete a lap at relatively high speed and catch up with the end of the queue.

If that is the case, is there any reason why the rules cannot be amended to allow the back-markers to simply let the lead-lap runners past them while they're all in the queue?

Wouldn't that save all the time and excessive speed etc that was the argument against letting the back-markers pass the SC, while at the same time get them out of the way of the leaders.

Or have I missed something?

Let's call it out for what it is - most of us spend half the race praying for a safety car to make things interesting again anyway. Personally, I could care less about the disadvantage to the leader - safety cars have been a part of F1 for much longer than any of the current drivers have been, it's a part of racing and tough **** if it comes out when you've got a 40 second lead. That's just how it is. I don't think that letting lapped cars through so they restart in the order they are on the track is a bad idea at all - the leader's already getting slapped in the face 20 times, and letting the lapped cars by would just be a final, meaningless smack.

Edited by Willow Rosenberg, 12 November 2010 - 17:49.

races spoiled through ignorance of blue flags and mirrors.

I mostly blame mirrors and communication for the events in Brazil,there is nothing wrong with the current saftey car rules. Why have mirrors when you can't use them in a propper way,doesn't make any sense.

Regarding the latter point, if they're all going slowly in line-astern and there are back-markers within that line, apart from the actual presence of the SC what would be the difference from the present system? They would surely still get in the way of the leaders at the re-start.

I would absolutely prefer that they let the lapped traffic through and restart them in race order. I want to see them fighting for position on track, the safety car is a great opportunity to reset the gaps and let them have at it again.

I still think the way they do it now is most fair to everyone. Sometimes you get lucky, other times your screwed. The leader obviously has a benefit in most cases. (I find this a good thing)

Maybe it would be better for tv, but I think fairness is more important.

So why not just do it every race then? Let's just bunch the field at random intervals to make it interesting, how's that?

Edited by Ricardo F1, 12 November 2010 - 20:57.

It's not fake, it's circumstance - **** happens. I'd rather see them race to the end head to head.

No, no it's not at all. Circumstance is the SC being deployed and there being two cars between the leaders. Fake is removing the two cars, who were there anyway!

I have no issue with people saying they prefer it but call it what it is, artificially spicing up the show for no good reason.

The idiot back markers were already causing webber grief anyway, frankly i twas more luck than anything as Seb was catching them on the straight and mark just after T1. Nothing changed with the SC being deployed except Mark would have been closer if he'd managed to clear the two back markers faster than he did.

Circumstance is the SC being deployed and there being two cars between the leaders. Fake is removing the two cars, who were there anyway!

Actually it was more that Seb was catching them on the straight and Webber being 1.5-2 secs back was getting to the backmarkers just as they hit the twisty middle sector.

Yeah the bit after T1

Edited by marcm, 12 November 2010 - 22:59.

No, no it's not at all. Circumstance is the SC being deployed and there being two cars between the leaders. Fake is removing the two cars, who were there anyway!