Its a shame he's underestimating Grosjean. He might well prove to be the benchmark for the team.
Well, it seems Grosjean is yet to earn his respect.
Posted 10 February 2012 - 17:44
Its a shame he's underestimating Grosjean. He might well prove to be the benchmark for the team.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 17:48
The times got faster with more rubber on the track.DidnĀ“t Kimi drive two days this week?
Posted 10 February 2012 - 17:59
Thanks - and have a great day!
Posted 10 February 2012 - 18:11
I did thanks. I haven't seen F1 cars on track "for real" since 2004 and forgot how much I love the sound, smell and colour. Here are my thoughts on today. I haven't read anyone else's yet as I don't want to influence my own thoughts.
My Day At The Track
First of all I'd like to say how good Jerez is for watching F1 cars in action. The track is quite small so you can see a fair bit of it, and you can get fairly close to the track in places. My group and I started the morning in the main stands opposite the pits. That was good for seeing who was doing what, but hard to tell how the cars were behaving. We briefly checked out the cheap seats behind the paddock, but you end up quite far away from the track and the sun is in your eyes the whole time. After having lunch in the main stands we spent the afternoon in the "car park" area between the backstraight and the final corner. Apparently it wasn't open on the other days of the test but it offered the best views. With the sun behind it was good for taking pictures.
Red Bull
Vettel didn't emerge from the pits until the afternoon. The car seemed like it was on rails though. It never looked like he was having to explore the limit. In the difficult braking zone at the last corner the car looked smooth as silk. Acceleration from the final corner seemed clean and early. The Red Bull's exhaust gives the engine a lovely warbling sound under acceleration.
McLaren
Hamilton looked like he was hustling the car a lot. He was locking the brakes a lot. In the final braking zone we saw some spectacular on-the-limit braking, with the car doing the turning on entry and Lewis just keeping it pointing the right way. Some sideways moments on exit too. The McLaren also seemed very good over the kerbs at the chicane. On his later runs in the afternoon he had his rain light on. I'm not sure what that was about. By the way the red on the McLaren is much brighter than photos or TV will ever be able to re-create - a must see.
Ferrari
I can't really comment on them because we arrived after Alonso's fast run of the morning. We only saw him briefly when he attempted runs in the afternoon but never seemed to be going fast. I guess that's down to the hydraulic issue. The Ferrari is ugly.
Lotus
Grosjean seemed to be able to get a lot of running in. The car seemed a bit unstable under braking. Romain had a few moments entering the last corner, including one very big wobble one time. The car's sound has a deep, throaty roar to it which makes it quite different to the other Renault powered machines.
Force India
There was little to say about the FI. The Hulk was clearly pushing. He was the only one I saw using the kerbs all the way between turns 7 and 8 and was often all the way on the kerb at the exit of the final corner, sometimes using some grass too. But the car looked in control, for the most part.
Sauber
The thing that impressed me about the Sauber was its turn-in, especially to the chicane. It didn't seem to good in the traction zones though. After it broke down in the afternoon Kobayashi only came out briefly.
Toro Rosso
Very much like the Red Bull, but we saw more of it. The car seemed smooth and stable for the most part. A bit hard over the kerbs at the chicane, and some wilder moments at the final corner. The latter might be due to a Vergne's lack of experience. The car also seemed to make a noticeable banging noise during the upshifts.
Williams
As a Williams fans I took a bit more notice of whenever Senna was on track. Also we happened to be in a good place to see their pit board so we could tell when they were doing long runs. The car looked stable, though a bit twitchy on the power. Williams appeared to be doing a race simulation before the car broke down the first time. It included a racing pit-stop so the car must have had a heavy fuel load on board. It seemed to handle well when heavy. After the car broke down we saw Senna briefly on the pit wall and the crowd gave him a cheer. Reliability must be a worry though because the car stopped again at T1 when we were leaving the track.
Caterham
Trulli seemed to have problems getting anywhere near the apex of the final turn. I don't know if this was due to a braking problem or what but I could have sat at the apex of the turn and he wouldn't have got near me. This was the loudest of the Renaults.
Round-up
To be honest it's been a long time since I've seen F1 cars up close so I'm not used to analysing their behaviour. I went to the track to have a fun day out and did so. I'd recommend attending a test to just experience F1 "on the cheap". It's about stimulating the senses. I can't really draw much info about who will be good and who won't, so the above is just what I noticed during my time at the track. I'll post some pictures soon.
Posted 10 February 2012 - 18:33
Testing is always hard to read, but my impression so far is that the the order at the top has not changed, with Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari. But Lotus and Toro Rosso are both doing a good job and it looks like the midfield teams have closed up on the big three a little, and among themselves. Williams, in particular, appear to be back on the right track, judging by Bruno Senna's race simulation run on Friday. That could make for a good season - it keeps the top teams on their toes as they know that the smallest slip-up and they'll be behind other cars.
Posted 10 February 2012 - 18:57
I can understand him, after all people said...Mark Webber:
"If Grosjean can do those laptimes then we will all have to watch Kimi (Raikkonen)."
Posted 10 February 2012 - 19:00
BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson:
Posted 10 February 2012 - 19:05
So he concludes Ferrari were among the best teams at those 4 days tests?
Posted 10 February 2012 - 19:16
Thats why he's not a technical director anymore
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 19:18
It's clearly a bet rather than a conclusion.So he concludes Ferrari were among the best teams at those 4 days tests?
Posted 10 February 2012 - 19:56
Its a shame he's underestimating Grosjean. He might well prove to be the benchmark for the team.
Posted 10 February 2012 - 22:33
Just a suggestion: why dont you format the 1st post like this:
Red Bull
"bla bla bla" DanardiF1 on 08/02/2012
"bla bla bla" Atec Atoc on 09/02/2012
McLaren
"bla bla bla" DanardiF1 on 08/02/2012
Etc.
I know it will give you some work, but it's just a suggestion ;)
Posted 11 February 2012 - 01:18
You are Rubens and I claim my five pounds.
Thanks for the track reports.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 01:36
Posted 11 February 2012 - 01:40
I read that a few hours ago and it didn't click until reading showtime's post for some reason.You are Rubens and I claim my five pounds.
Thanks for the track reports.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:17
Mark Webber:
"If Grosjean can do those laptimes then we will all have to watch Kimi (Raikkonen)."
http://www.f1zone.ne...2012-car/12194/
Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:19
McLaren
Hamilton looked like he was hustling the car a lot. He was locking the brakes a lot. In the final braking zone we saw some spectacular on-the-limit braking, with the car doing the turning on entry and Lewis just keeping it pointing the right way. Some sideways moments on exit too. The McLaren also seemed very good over the kerbs at the chicane. On his later runs in the afternoon he had his rain light on. I'm not sure what that was about. By the way the red on the McLaren is much brighter than photos or TV will ever be able to re-create - a must see.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:55
i cant understand how people account for the tests , barrichello got 1st place in jerez test day 4 !!!
Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:10
Having people report back with the behaviour of the cars gives you an idea as to who will be performing although it is not the be all and end all. That said, I've seen many a fast car with handling issues and the one that sticks out most is the FW16 after their active suspension was banned. The Williams engineers couldn't understand how Senna was able to set the lap times that he did with that car.i cant understand how people account for the tests , barrichello got 1st place in jerez test day 4 !!!
Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:56
ItĀ“s strange. Almost everyone praises lotus, but from my personal point of view they seemed to be lacking rear end grip badly.
Anyway, it can be due to watching the car with different configs at different times of the day..... who knows.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:07
thanks a bunch man..though taken into consideration that both KR and RG are running oversteery setups,opposite lock correction every now and then is perhaps to be expected..Lotus
Grosjean seemed to be able to get a lot of running in. The car seemed a bit unstable under braking. Romain had a few moments entering the last corner, including one very big wobble one time. The car's sound has a deep, throaty roar to it which makes it quite different to the other Renault powered machines.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:27
Williams appeared to be doing a race simulation before the car broke down the first time. It included a racing pit-stop so the car must have had a heavy fuel load on board. It seemed to handle well when heavy. After the car broke down we saw Senna briefly on the pit wall and the crowd gave him a cheer. Reliability must be a worry though because the car stopped again at T1 when we were leaving the track.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:45
Well it depends what times you takie into consideration. Last year's Barichello time was glory run. As well as Thursday's Rosberg's time.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 14:30
That was deliberate, the car didn't break down they just run it till it was out of fuel on purpose (new engine manufacturer, it's called a fuel run, gives them a baseline for fuel calculations)
Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:16
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 16:07
Really? what was illegal on the car?I do believe Williams thought they had a rocket last year but they were testing an illegal car and only found out between the last test and the first race so the Barrichello lap wasn't so much of a 'glory run', just an 'ignorant run'.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 16:17
I do believe Williams thought they had a rocket last year but they were testing an illegal car and only found out between the last test and the first race so the Barrichello lap wasn't so much of a 'glory run', just an 'ignorant run'.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 16:18
I do believe Williams thought they had a rocket last year but they were testing an illegal car and only found out between the last test and the first race so the Barrichello lap wasn't so much of a 'glory run', just an 'ignorant run'.
Really? what was illegal on the car?
Edited by Szoelloe, 11 February 2012 - 16:19.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 16:19
There was speculation that Williams ran underweight.Really? what was illegal on the car?
Posted 11 February 2012 - 16:23
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Edited by jjcale, 11 February 2012 - 17:24.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 17:43
Style isn't over substance.;)The shape of the Williams looks great on those pictures.. why is it so slow :-(
Posted 11 February 2012 - 17:47
Posted 11 February 2012 - 18:02
From the side profile the McLaren looks bulky as well.The caterham is beginning to look a bit bulky in the rear after seeing those. Not a big fan of the metallic green either but that's justa meee.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 18:40
Posted 11 February 2012 - 18:50
It does actually look like one of the most shrink wrapped cars out there. There's just so little of 'it'!the williams is stunning
Posted 11 February 2012 - 21:21
The shape of the Williams looks great on those pictures.. why is it so slow :-(
Posted 11 February 2012 - 21:22
the williams is stunning
Posted 11 February 2012 - 21:44
If you ignore the step it's easily the best looking of the lot IMO.
(although I could be biased)
Posted 11 February 2012 - 21:53
If you ignore the step it's easily the best looking of the lot IMO.
(although I could be biased)
Posted 12 February 2012 - 03:29
Posted 12 February 2012 - 04:26
It was underweight.Really? what was illegal on the car?
Posted 12 February 2012 - 04:37
Thats the point of this thread. If we go on laptimes only then we can deduce nothing about the cars, but if someone's seen the cars in action, they might add some substance to the times. Commentators last year all said how good the Red Bull looked last year and they were right, even though Red Bull hardly ever topped the timesheets. Mclaren were struggling during testing but they got their car sorted in time for the season opener and beat Ferrari who didn't seem to struggle during testing, but were posting super fast times. Comments like these from people who've spent a day watching the cars are worth a lot more than any amount of laptimes.oh yeah ? and how do u know that kimi was a glory run, grosjean was a glory run , alonso was a glory run blah blah blah . you will never know who is going for glory run
besides with all due respect to the forum posters who have been at the races , untrained eyes couldn't tell whats is a good car and what is a bad car , even pros get it wrong most of the time
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:57
Lotus
Grosjean seemed to be able to get a lot of running in. The car seemed a bit unstable under braking. Romain had a few moments entering the last corner, including one very big wobble one time. The car's sound has a deep, throaty roar to it which makes it quite different to the other Renault powered machines.