"Drivers very rarely push 100% for an entire race distance" - true, but very rarely did they push for around 10% of the race distance as sometimes the case now.
I'd love to know where you get all your "facts" from!
Posted 22 February 2013 - 15:15
"Drivers very rarely push 100% for an entire race distance" - true, but very rarely did they push for around 10% of the race distance as sometimes the case now.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 15:23
PretentiousBread speaks a lot of truth here regarding the silly putty Pirellis.
Pirelli has taken a lot of the speed out of F1...you don't see guys on the limit anymore because it's not conducive to maintaining the tire longevity given how quickly they get destroyed.
Posted 22 February 2013 - 15:39
I see, so Vettel and Alonso going hammer and tongs at Monza, Vettel and Hamilton at Austin, Webber v Alonso at Silverstone, Raikkonen v Alonso in Abu D... these were all conservation exercises where they?
Posted 22 February 2013 - 18:56
Posted 22 February 2013 - 23:27
I see, so Vettel and Alonso going hammer and tongs at Monza, Vettel and Hamilton at Austin, Webber v Alonso at Silverstone, Raikkonen v Alonso in Abu D... these were all conservation exercises where they?
Posted 23 February 2013 - 09:44
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:07
From what I recall Le Mans is now a series of sprint races. You often hear of teams triple stinting the tyres, sometimes even quadruple stinting them. This was the case a few years ago anyway.they could pushing up to a low limit, pacing themselves not so much to a time, but trying to stress the tyres a certain amount
le mans has had cars and drivers beat there qualy times in the race, sometimes several times, like in 2011
Edited by Obi Offiah, 23 February 2013 - 14:38.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:35
Not all but yea absolutely, were you watching F1 before pirelli ? Seriously have not heard a driver or team mention a delta ? Nobody was talking about deltas before pirellis.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:45
Edited by Obi Offiah, 23 February 2013 - 14:46.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:46
^^ That's so wrong, they drove to target times all the time in the refuelling era.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:48
My impression is that pre-Pirelli, the delta time was used primarily as a benchmark that a driver should at least maintain to prevent losing a position, to gain a position or simply to deliver the best racing time and best result for a team e.g win the race. With Pirelli it appears that the delta is used primarily to manage the tyres with the benefits of doing so being complimentary.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:58
Posted 23 February 2013 - 16:09
Posted 23 February 2013 - 16:21
Another factor is the tyre debris.
Seems worse like 2011.
http://blog.axisofov.....Of Oversteer)
Which in effect kills any racing left after a few laps, since there will be only one driveable line.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 18:23
Yes, target lap times to aim at, completely different to target lap times to keep to and discouraged at going beyond.
Edited by KnucklesAgain, 23 February 2013 - 18:24.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 18:40
But in all of that, what would you say was the primary driving factor to the delta time prior to Pirelli's most recent involvement in the sport?Even if that was the case the way you phrase it, saying "driving to delta never happened before Pirelli" would still be wrong. But you are incorrect anyway, the target times were at the very least a function of expected tyre degradation, allowed fuel consumption until the next scheduled stop, and strategic considerations.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 18:52
But in all of that, what would you say was the primary driving factor to the delta time prior to Pirelli's most recent involvement in the sport?
Edited by KnucklesAgain, 23 February 2013 - 19:14.
Posted 23 February 2013 - 23:01
Posted 23 February 2013 - 23:27
yeah, i think the le mans track is easier on tyres, so they do last longer there than other tracks, 4x 45mins roughly. the chinese track ate tyres in the wec, about a stint and abit of life in the tyres for lmp1
Edited by BigCHrome, 23 February 2013 - 23:30.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 13:33
I've always been pretty critical of these Pirelli tyres but towards the last 3rd of last season I thought we'd finally got to a position where they're very good. Not lasting a whole race, room for different strategies and drivers being told to push 100%, take everything out of the tyres etc etc.
Then my heart sank when I heard they were going to mess about again this year to make for more induced pitstops.
Sigh
Posted 24 February 2013 - 13:43
I've always been pretty critical of these Pirelli tyres but towards the last 3rd of last season I thought we'd finally got to a position where they're very good. Not lasting a whole race, room for different strategies and drivers being told to push 100%, take everything out of the tyres etc etc.
Then my heart sank when I heard they were going to mess about again this year to make for more induced pitstops.
Sigh
Posted 24 February 2013 - 13:53
I wonder if Pirelli make condoms... and if they do, how long do they last?
Posted 27 February 2013 - 23:50
Not all but yea absolutely, were you watching F1 before pirelli ? Seriously have not heard a driver or team mention a delta ? Nobody was talking about deltas before pirellis.
Edited by Rinehart, 28 February 2013 - 00:00.
Posted 27 February 2013 - 23:56
Yes, target lap times to aim at, completely different to target lap times to keep to and discouraged at going beyond.
Posted 28 February 2013 - 00:02
Countless drivers?
Care to back that up with a few quotes.
Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:38
Oh crap. This is what I've been dreading when I learnt the new Pirelli's degrade like crazy. There were already races last season where the marbles formed a very narrow track, imagine driving over that.Another factor is the tyre debris.
Seems worse like 2011.
http://blog.axisofov.....Of Oversteer)
Which in effect kills any racing left after a few laps, since there will be only one driveable line.
Edited by Cool Beans, 28 February 2013 - 01:41.
Posted 28 February 2013 - 15:19