Perez says Rosberg faster than Vettel

"In terms of pure speed, Nico Rosberg is the fastest German,"

http://www.motorspor...n-vettel-perez/



What makes Perez say such things, isn't Sebastian regarded as the fastest of this generation?

Edited by Jovanotti, 17 January 2013 - 09:56.

http://www.motorspor...n-vettel-perez/



What makes Perez say such things, isn't Sebastian regarded as the fastest of this generation?

Edited by MadYarpen, 17 January 2013 - 10:04.

Of course you can never make perfect direct comparisons, and I'm sure Nico has improved since, but "in terms of pure speed", Nico's qualifying ratio to Webber (33%) is an extremely long shot from Vettel's (71%). If it was almost 50/50 back at Williams, maybe, but the gap is just too big.

Who is he to be able to judge Vettel and Rosberg? Just a non-issue frankly.

do we need a new thread for every driver's quote which someone feels is wrong? Come on... They all talk a lot.

Perez told Sport Bild he intends to push to beat Vettel and all other adversaries for the 2013 drivers' title.

you just gotta adore how cute he is thinks he is now one of the big boys, and can unsettle the currently most succesfull one with 'mind games'.

"I am 100 per cent sure that the McLaren will be better than my Sauber," he said, "which is why I need to set high goals.

Can someone find the original Sport Bild article and post the full quote (not article) please, so we at least all know exactly what it is we're discussing? The OP already left out the follow up comment that "Sebastian is the more complete driver and a great champion" which appears to have lesser importance to both the headline writer and thread for the moment.

I'm not sure how this thread will go, but considering that we don't allow driver v driver threads for exactly the reason that nobody can come up with common terms of reference and comparison for drivers in different cars, I don't hold out much hope.

The Webber vs. Rosberg to Webber vs. Vettel isn't a fair argument. I'd say a then younger Webber may have been as fast as he is now, and arguably Rosberg wasn't as quick as he is now.

Edited by mnmracer, 17 January 2013 - 11:23.

Edited by seahawk, 17 January 2013 - 11:32.

Who is he to be able to judge Vettel and Rosberg? Just a non-issue frankly.

Simple:

If Lewis > Rosberg and Rosberg > Vettel and Lewis ~ Button, then even if Perez < Button Perez ~ Vettel

Edited by H2H, 17 January 2013 - 12:39.

Simple:

If Lewis > Rosberg and Rosberg > Vettel and Lewis ~ Button, then even if Perez < Button Perez ~ Vettel

Edited by Kingshark, 17 January 2013 - 12:57.

"In terms of pure speed, Nico Rosberg is the fastest German,"

Who is he to be able to judge Vettel and Rosberg? Just a non-issue frankly.

Maybe he forgot that Vettel is German?

Simple:

If Lewis > Rosberg and Rosberg > Vettel and Lewis ~ Button, then even if Perez < Button Perez ~ Vettel

Edited by Mauseri, 17 January 2013 - 13:54.

http://www.motorspor...n-vettel-perez/



What makes Perez say such things, isn't Sebastian regarded as the fastest of this generation?

As I said, Rosberg most likely improved, but to go from being beaten by Webber 67% of the time, to beating the same driver >67% of the time, is a looooooooong way.

Maybe he forgot that Vettel is German?

Whether you agree or not he is certainly a damned sight better placed to make a judgement than any of us.

Edited by Seanspeed, 17 January 2013 - 14:57.

Vettel lost to Luizzi in qualifying 3-4 in his debut "season" - and Liuzzi ain´t exactly the Usain Bolt of Qualifying.

Edited by mnmracer, 17 January 2013 - 14:59.

3 of those in the first 4 races.
You can't compare someone who's been test driver for a team for a year, and then had the complete off-season of testing, to a driver who was test driver and drove one race for a different team earlier that year, and just two weeks earlier was still leading the Formula Renault 3.5 championship. Once Vettel got going, he never looked back.

Edited by LiJu914, 17 January 2013 - 15:07.

Drivers only say that certain driver is fast, if it also makes themselves look fast..

I don't think Rosberg is on same level as Vettel, as he should have shown better race pace against Schumacher. Rosberg is surely a fast driver but rarely makes what you could say a fast race. Even before Merc time. Vettel has proven his race pace more than enough.

Besides that i don´t think their preparation/experience was that much different.

To be clear: I don´t say, Rosberg is a better qualifyer than Vettel or that he would beat Webber nowadays for sure. But imho it wouldn´t be such a miracle to turn a 34%-66%-bias into the opposite after a few years - it can all change quite quickly. In 2011 Webber was 15%-85% behind Vettel - and last year it was suddenly 50%-50%.

Edited by mnmracer, 17 January 2013 - 15:12.

Last year was a case of strategy. You don't turn three consecutive years of ~15-2 into 11-9 on skill or circumstances.

I am very curious as to how you think they were not that different.

Edited by LiJu914, 17 January 2013 - 15:18.

you just gotta adore how cute he is thinks he is now one of the big boys, and can unsettle the currently most succesfull one with 'mind games'.

Wanna bet? Here within 1 second...:

Berger - Alesi 1995: 12-5
Berger - Alesi 1996: 3-13

And strategy may be your own wish/conclusion, but Vettel, Horner, Marko basically all RB guys said about the issue, that Vettel just struggled with the behaviour of the car - that´s it.

Because Vettel had quite decent experience in an F1 car as well.

Wanna bet? Here within 1 second...:

Berger - Alesi 1995: 12-5
Berger - Alesi 1996: 3-13
No strategy et. al. involved.

And strategy may be your own wish/conclusion, but Vettel, Horner, Marko basically all RB guys said about the issue, that Vettel just struggled with the behaviour of the car - that´s it.



Because Vettel had quite decent experience in an F1 car as well.

How dare he state an opinion? Close the thread, Perez only said this to troll the autosport forums and undermine the mods

Over their entire career they have been extremely close. That's a case of flip-of-a-coin, not beaten-into-submission three years straight.
Context.

He struggled, yet still had Webber beat on race pace in 17 races.
It's results that count, not how happy a driver is with a car.

You expect a rookie to adapt to 3 different cars the same way as a rookie adapts to a car he spent the entire winter with.
Ignoring context again. Your game, not mine.

Edited by LiJu914, 17 January 2013 - 15:53.