Perez: Ferrari often asked me to take care of Alonso

and provide him with easy passage when and if the opportunity arose

que cuidara de Alonso

Nothing new, Sauber's have always moved out of the way, but, so do Toro Rosso, even worse cos they do it blatantly.

Nothing new, Sauber's have always moved out of the way, but, so do Toro Rosso, even worse cos they do it blatantly.

Ferrari often asked him to “take care” of Fernando Alonso

not good for Kamui, I dont remember he was particularly nicer to Ferrari.

He even crashed into the side of Massa at Valencia last year

How is this any worse than what happend at Monaco GP 2011??

" Hamilton felt both Toro Rosso drivers, Jaime Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi, were slow to get out of his way when being lapped in Barcelona last weekend, yet were quick to move aside for race winner Sebastian Vettel.

The Briton eventually finished 0.6 seconds behind Red Bull’s championship leader. The allegations were rejected as “preposterous” by a Toro Rosso spokesman.

However, McLaren's Hamilton, who said he had raised the issue with his McLaren team, claimed the same thing occurred in Abu Dhabi at the final race of last season.

“That kind of thing shouldn’t happen because they are not really supposed to be a sister team are they?” Hamilton said.

“Definitely in the last race in Spain there was some of that — all of a sudden moving in my way — which caused a bigger gap. They let him past and held me up for the next couple of corners. "
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Its a non issue (its not cricket but its there) .... as long as there is "sister teams" in the case of T and engine manufacturers supplying other teams there will be certain sharing of data and expectations that back-markers being lapped wont be a nuisance for the other team by blocking etc ...

Edited by gm914, 19 March 2013 - 13:07.

Ferrari asked Perez to 'take care' of Alonso.

http://www.motorspor...care-of-alonso/

This is an interesting inside comment on what goes no behind the scenes. "Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but I don't know if they asked just me or the whole grid."

Does anybody have any insight into what he means by Ferrari asking Perez to 'take care' of Alonso? Why was he communicating with Ferrari whilst driving with Sauber? Some part of the engine deal?

Ferrari asked Perez to 'take care' of Alonso.

http://www.motorspor...care-of-alonso/

This is an interesting inside comment on what goes no behind the scenes. "Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but I don't know if they asked just me or the whole grid."

Does anybody have any insight into what he means by Ferrari asking Perez to 'take care' of Alonso? Why was he communicating with Ferrari whilst driving with Sauber? Some part of the engine deal?

The commentary, or Ted Kravitz perhaps, has mentioned more than once that teams are preferring the Renault or Merc engines because they know they are allowed to race the factory team.

And it certainly fits with the radio to Perez in China last year which needlessly undermined him...

I don't see it as the same situation as Red Bull / Toro Rosso. Would we want to see Kimi being told to move over for Sebi? I don't think so.

The commentary, or Ted Kravitz perhaps, has mentioned more than once that teams are preferring the Renault or Merc engines because they know they are allowed to race the factory team.

And it certainly fits with the radio to Perez in China last year which needlessly undermined him...

I don't see it as the same situation as Red Bull / Toro Rosso. Would we want to see Kimi being told to move over for Sebi? I don't think so.

Edited by ZuTiMa, 19 March 2013 - 15:49.

Have you ever seen Perez move over for Alonso? Because his attitude in, say, Canada or Monza last year certainly is miles away from any type of team orders and in its light the claim that the radio to Perez in Malaysia (I assume the reference to China is a mistake, otherwise please let me know) was in any way related to a Ferrari request lacks all credibility.

Edited by boldhakka, 19 March 2013 - 15:58.

This was never going to be a request over team radio.

I don't think it matters whether Perez did or did not ever move over for Alonso. It's possible for them to have never been in the position where it was necessary. The issue is that Perez says he was asked to take care of Alonso (often). Do you think that is reasonable and to be expected or unsporting and dastardly?

I'm bothered by the usage of "often" more than anything else, really. I can easily imagine someone from Ferrari "jokingly" dropping a hint about not ramming Alonso ("we know where you live, haha"). But to do it repeatedly would imply they were speaking directly about the matter.

I imagine "take care of" is used as in "be wary of". ("take care not to bang your head on that beam"). but there are less charitable interpretations.

Whether they singled out Perez or said the same to all young drivers, is irrelevant really, from where I'm sitting. It points to the same ruthlessness.

Also odd is that it isn't "take care of the Ferrari cars", as in both red cars. It's just Alonso. They would have lost nothing by asking him to take care of both Ferrari cars; it's not like Perez would say OK to one but draw the line at both cars.

Edited by Fontainebleau, 19 March 2013 - 16:07.

As I said before, "que cuidara" in the context and using the Spanish language makes zero sense, it's a thing of the Spanish they use in Mexico, it's should be translated as "be careful" and not "take care".

Edited by Skinnyguy, 19 March 2013 - 16:11.

Of course it does. "Me dijeron que cuidara de mi hermano" is a perfectly constructed sentence making perfect sense. It´s not a south american phrase or anything, I´m Spanish and it makes perfect sense.

On topic, I don´t think this is news for anyone. Everyone has allies in the grid. RB has theirs. Ferrari has theirs. We all knew this stuff happens. I would like to take advantage of this to take shot at those acting as if only RB had allies and friends over the grid, everyone has. RB has TR and Vettel´s personal friends (engine partners stuff is total nonsense), Ferrari has Sauber and Alonso´s friends. Sure, right now RB enjoys advantage in this area (just as Ferrari had in the past over McLaren), but everyone plays this game, so let´s not pretend this born with RB and Vettel.

BTW, I´d like to see Canseco´s face when he tried to get a cheap shot on Vettel and got THIS answer Now that´s a fail.

Is it to be expected that a guy in the Ferrari drivers academy is told, when in touch with Ferrari, that they'd like him not to crash one of their cars out? I'd say yes, what would you say? Is that the same thing as telling them to give way to the red cars? No, I think it is miles away. .

Actually, it should be obvious for a driver in the Ferrari drivers academy to be careful not to crash into any car, let alone a red one. Both Ferrari and Perez know this (that it is obvious, and doesn't need to be discussed). So, the request had to have had a little more meaning than to simply suggest avoiding crashing into Alonso's car.

Perhaps something in between the two extremes you discuss?

Do you care to explain Monza and Canada, then? Because I am at a loss as to what you think Ferrari was trying to get from the Sauber driver.

On that I disagree with you; the day that we see a TR overtake or in any way present any type of battle to a RB, we'll start talking about similar issues. But I only have to remind you of Marko's famous video scolding Alguersuari for not having yielded way to Vettel during a FP to make the point that they go way over the top with their inter-team orders (Marko's definition, not mine).

Of course it does. "Me dijeron que cuidara de mi hermano" is a perfectly constructed sentence making perfect sense. It´s not a south american phrase or anything, I´m Spanish and it makes perfect sense.

Oh, and I fully agree that Canseco was probably expecting a different answer, but kudos to him for not having tried to hide the one he got in any possible way, so any mockery is quite undeserved.

The commentary, or Ted Kravitz perhaps, has mentioned more than once that teams are preferring the Renault or Merc engines because they know they are allowed to race the factory team.

And it certainly fits with the radio to Perez in China last year which needlessly undermined him...

I don't see it as the same situation as Red Bull / Toro Rosso. Would we want to see Kimi being told to move over for Sebi? I don't think so.

Edited by H2H, 19 March 2013 - 16:29.

This is nothing different than Vergne letting Webber pass him in Melbourne last weekend.

/thread

Edited by Burtros, 19 March 2013 - 16:29.

No, it makes zero sense, you ask to "cuidar" of your little brother or your wife, in the context of that interview it makes zero sense. I didn't say that "cuidar" was a Mexican thing, I say that with that context it has a different meaning because Mexican and other languages use Spanish in a different way that the "raw" Spanish (from Spain).


You should check the meaning of the verb "cuidar" in the REAL ACADEMIA ESPAÑOLA.


http://lema.rae.es/drae/

Well the easiest explanation is that Perez ignored the request.

No; the easiest explanation is that there was never any request to give way, just the typical "don't do anything crazy around our cars". The explanation you provide is the one that paints Ferrari in the worst possible light, even if that was not your intention.

Edited by boldhakka, 19 March 2013 - 16:38.

This was never going to be a request over team radio.

I don't think it matters whether Perez did or did not ever move over for Alonso. It's possible for them to have never been in the position where it was necessary. The issue is that Perez says he was asked to take care of Alonso (often). Do you think that is reasonable and to be expected or unsporting and dastardly?

Is it to be expected that a guy in the Ferrari drivers academy is told, when in touch with Ferrari, that they'd like him not to crash one of their cars out? I'd say yes, what would you say? Is that the same thing as telling them to give way to the red cars? No, I think it is miles away. Was Perez in a position to move over for Alonso or Massa at any point in time? Yes indeed, unless overtaking Alonso at Canada with two laps to go or overtaking both Ferraris at Monza in the last ten laps is to be considered irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion - which I don't think it is.

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BTW, I´d like to see Canseco´s face when he tried to get a cheap shot on Vettel and got THIS answer Now that´s a fail.

Edited by SpaMaster, 19 March 2013 - 16:45.

Uh? What? What´s wrong with your Spanish? Product of the ESO, maybe?

"Cuidar" is perfectly OK for sporting allies matters too, it makes perfect sense in the scenario we got: "Te dije que cuidaras de Alberto en el pelotón cuando se enfilara por el viento". I´ve been told that loads of times.

Take care of him?

Did anyone else think of that first when you read the thread title?