Own F1 team by Fangio?

I've read that Juan-Manuel Fangio was planing an own F1 team for South American talents to come to Europe. I think Fritz d'orey was entered at the Monaco Grand Prix 1959 for Fangio but did not appear. Are there any more information about that project? Why did it fail? A Fangio F1 team sounds very good...

The museum I worked at had the Fangio Alesso, which I don't think was for F1, (over seven litres in a flat 12!!)  but might have been to promote South American talent (within South America), I left before I could do  all the research

Edited by f1steveuk, 14 February 2015 - 18:34.

Interesting, I had not heard that before. Sounds good but then again, looking back, teams have lived failed to match the reputation of champions or race winning drivers, except Brabham and perhaps McLaren in 1968 but they achieved their greatest successes after Bruce's accident.

Edited by hittheapex, 14 February 2015 - 06:27.

Fritz d'Orey lives in Portugal - if you want to ask him directly I can give you a contact via email.

Perhaps better the address is by private message.

Edited by Patrick Fletcher, 14 February 2015 - 10:31.

I would be extremely doubtful about this.  The Black Book shows the entrant of d'Orey's car at Monaco as Ecurie Argentina.  I am sure that the authors would have consulted the programme.  Later in the season, d'Orey was entered by Centro Sud. Any hint of an association with Fangio would be worth a little extra starting money in those days but I can't believe he came close to setting up a team.

Fritz d'Orey lives in Portugal - if you want to ask him directly I can give you a contact via email.

Perhaps better the address is by private message.

Would be very nice!

Once again HF doesn’t tell us where he read what he claims to have read.
If his source is either this or that I suppose he misunderstood the text.
It is a known fact that Fangio after his retirement tried to help young South American drivers by using his European acquaintances.
It seems he put d’Orey in contact with Scuderia Centro-Sud which is far away from establishing an own racing team.

My source is:

 

http://www.forix.com/8w/dorey.html

 

"The Argentinian champion decided to hire him in the team he wanted to create in order to help some South American drivers race in Europe."

Juan Manuel Bordeu?

The Black Book shows the entrant of d'Orey's car at Monaco as Ecurie Argentina.  I am sure that the authors would have consulted the programme.  Later in the season, d'Orey was entered by Centro Sud. Any hint of an association with Fangio would be worth a little extra starting money in those days but I can't believe he came close to setting up a team.

 

Couldn´t there be a connection between Ecurie Argentina and Fangio? Like 1958 where I understand, that Scuderia Sudamericana was like a Maserati semi-works team operated by Giambertone to give Fangio a drive in Argentina?

Couldn´t there be a connection between Ecurie Argentina and Fangio? Like 1958 where I understand, that Scuderia Sudamericana was like a Maserati semi-works team operated by Giambertone to give Fangio a drive in Argentina?

Of course, and that's what I meant by a connection with Fangio, but it's a long way from setting up a team.

Just another of those 'paper teams' which appear - for political or financial reasons - for a race or two and then slide into obscurity. Worldwide Racing, NART in Formula 1, Kautz in 1939, Alfa Romeo entering via their Swiss agency in the 1946 GP des Nations ...

Yes, but perhaps could Fangio have something like this in mind as a permanent institution, to cooperate with Maserati to form a team for the talented drivers financed by Argentinian funds.

I can't put my hand on either of the Fangio biographies I have hiding somewhere in this chaos, but ISTR from either or both of the Carozzo or Donaldson books that he was out of favour politically in the late 1950s and early 1960s, due to his previous association with the Peron regime. I think there may even have been suggestions of tax irregularities? Without support from the ACA and money from the national petrol company YPF I doubt he'd have got very far.