Toro Rosso Technical Thread (STR14)

So, they too have a drastic outwash front wing. It'll be interesting to see what else shows up at Barcelona. The launch cars could all have been decoys. 

Great stuff by Kvyat to top the times.    

Solid driving by Albon too, not bad for a rookie.   

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 21 February 2019 - 05:56.

So, they too have a drastic outwash front wing. It'll be interesting to see what else shows up at Barcelona. The launch cars could all have been decoys.

STR are having a great test. Impressive from Honda, if confirmed in Oz.

Do they look stronger than RB perhaps?

I'm not buying it. Albon and Kvyat in a Toro Rosso? p15/p16 I would say

I hope to be wrong ofcourse

Edited by haryantofan666, 01 March 2019 - 12:38.

I'm not buying it. Albon and Kvyat in a Toro Rosso? p15/p16 I would say
 
I hope to be wrong ofcourse

I'm not buying it. Albon and Kvyat in a Toro Rosso? p15/p16 I would say

I hope to be wrong ofcourse

Edited by CharlesWinstone, 02 March 2019 - 12:51.

TR lap times are close to Renault and Alfa and i expect a tight midfield battle. I see TR doing really well and hope Kvyat has a strong season. The guy deserves it.

It looks very close indeed. But if thats the case, Haas, Alfa and Rp have great engine modes when it matters and Renault has a very good driver pairing. The Honda remains an unknown and Albon is a rookie. It's hard to imagine Toro Rosso beating those teams. Didn't TR also lose James Key?

Some posts here are a bit too optimistic I believe.

It looks very close indeed. But if thats the case, Haas, Alfa and Rp have great engine modes when it matters and Renault has a very good driver pairing. The Honda remains an unknown and Albon is a rookie. It's hard to imagine Toro Rosso beating those teams. Didn't TR also lose James Key?

Some posts here are a bit too optimistic I believe.

If Honda is an unknow you can say the same of Renault. Last year the lump was underpowered and not always reliable. It has to be seen if they improved.
 

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums.  Honda has been nowhere near that.  Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull.  So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.

Edited by Nathan, 02 March 2019 - 23:57.

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums.  Honda has been nowhere near that.  Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull.  So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.

No Honda issues at all during the test. Can the Renault's say the same?

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums. Honda has been nowhere near that. Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull. So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.

Renaukt used 5 PU’s over 8 days this test (confirmed by Remi Taffin).
Not sure what Honda did?
Honda is still a question mark, but the signs and the clear upward trend are encouragibg aren’t they?

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums. .

They used two engines and only replaced it because Honda wanted to try some small updates.

Link (in Dutch) https://racingnews36...otoren-gebruikt

The 5 PU's from Renault where from both Renault and McLaren?
If yes then you should add at least 1 engine for RB because of engine change from Gasly's first crash

The 5 PU's from Renault where from both Renault and McLaren?
If yes then you should add at least 1 engine for RB because of engine change from Gasly's first crash

We used so many engines in the test weeks that I have to count for a while ", Taffin smiles at the press." I think the Renault team has put in five engines. We have not experienced any significant problems.

The Renault PU has consistently won races and podiums. Honda has been nowhere near that. Honda's reliability has been much worse, and Enstone didn't seem to have the same PU issues as Red Bull. So when considering that, while Renault has a hill to climb Honda's closer to a mountain so I don't think one has to give the same considerations/benefit of the doubt about Renault as you would Honda.

Edited by CharlesWinstone, 03 March 2019 - 08:15.

Renaukt used 5 PU’s over 8 days this test (confirmed by Remi Taffin).

Not sure what Honda did?

Honda is still a question mark, but the signs and the clear upward trend are encouragibg aren’t they?

For Toro Rosso,Honda used one PU over 8 days this test.

For Red Bull,Honda used 3 PU over the test because of the two crash caused by gasly.Honda's original plan was using one PU over 8days for both teams to check the reliability and durability.

So galsy's crash changed the plan,not only bad for the team,also not ideal for Honda,sorry just a little bit off topic.The honda engine seems really good during the test despite the crash.

Anyway,test is just test,so i will keep cautious.

Edited by hasika, 03 March 2019 - 08:46.

For Toro Rosso,Honda used one PU over 8 days this test.
For Red Bull,Honda used 3 PU over the test because of the two crash caused by gasly.Honda's original plan was using one PU over 8days for both teams to check the reliability and durability.
So galsy's crash changed the plan,not only bad for the team,also not ideal for Honda,sorry just a little bit off topic.The honda engine seems really good during the test despite the crash.
Anyway,test is just test,so i will keep cautious.

For Toro Rosso,Honda used one PU over 8 days this test.
For Red Bull,Honda used 3 PU over the test because of the two crash caused by gasly.Honda's original plan was using one PU over 8days for both teams to check the reliability and durability.
So galsy's crash changed the plan,not only bad for the team,also not ideal for Honda,sorry just a little bit off topic.The honda engine seems really good during the test despite the crash.
Anyway,test is just test,so i will keep cautious.

2 PU's = 1 replacement. You both saying the same. 

The more I look at this car, the more I see it's a slightly tweaked RB14 in everything. Feel a bit dumb to only see this now.
 

Tost himself said its not. 

Most teams used at least 2 PU’s I guess? One per week.

Well, RB changed 1 first week after Gasly's crash, so at least 3, maybe 4 if changed after second crash too

Toro Rosso said they used two PU’s.

http://f1sokuho.mopi...073&tt=-1&at=45

The japanese journalist said TR already ran 3193.33km by one PU after day six.

So i dont know,maybe they changed PU during the last two days?I will find out it later.

Edited by hasika, 03 March 2019 - 09:58.

Well, RB changed 1 first week after Gasly's crash, so at least 3, maybe 4 if changed after second crash too

http://f1sokuho.mopi...073&tt=-1&at=45

The article also said RB changed PU after Galsy's crash in the first week,then they didnt change PU until Galsy had another crash in the second week.

http://f1sokuho.mopi...073&tt=-1&at=45
 
The japanese journalist said TR already ran 3193.33km by one PU when day six was over.
So i dont know,maybe they changed PU during the last two days?I will found out it later.

It’s in the (Dutch) link in post #117, they quoted Jody Egginton of STR saying they were on their 2nd PU at the last test day.

935 laps equals 4352km's.

What would a GP weekend roughly be like?

300k, for the race obviously.

Free practice and q together is around 95 laps (just checked Australia 2018 FP's quickly). 95 laps = 503km.

So roughly a GP weekend would be about 800 kilometers for 1 PU. If TR did 3200 km's on 1 PU, at least they were able to run 4 full race weekends on it. Which is quite impressive imo.

Especially considering that at some point most team start to use older engines in Free Practice and you can use them a bit longer...

The more I look at this car, the more I see it's a slightly tweaked RB14 in everything. Feel a bit dumb to only see this now.

Edited by RobG, 03 March 2019 - 11:25.

Australia:

(AMUS)

Edited by statman, 14 March 2019 - 08:57.

Not really followed this team, what do you think their target objectives for this year are?  5th to 7th? Seems like its going to be a tough ask with so many of the midfield teams closely matched. The best possible result for them is 5th and thats a big ask. 

Renault F1 boss Cyril Abiteboul is unhappy with the performance of rival mid-field squad Toro Rosso:

 

"Just look at Toro Rosso, who in my opinion are likely to be the team to beat as far as we’re concerned for the start of the season given where we are," said the Abiteboul, speaking to Sky F1.

"Toro Rosso had no technical director for most of last season. It’s very clear what went on."

Obviously, the suspension of STR14 is the same as RB14 and is a very good base for optimising the Pirelli tyres.   

As to how much aero data of RB14, STR had access to, that is hard to say. 

Anyway, hopefully STR can fight near to the front of the midfield.    

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 15 March 2019 - 14:37.

Cyril switched from picking fights with Red Bull to Toro Rosso.

Maybe he is scared of Karma after he screwed them up in 2017 with faulty engines in the WCC race. 

Edited by Sunnny, 15 March 2019 - 15:20.

I wonder if he's scared of car performance or that it might be the Honda he's really scared off.

I think it's pretty clear what he is insinuating. Otherwise must suck going through life as not exactly brightest bulb. Not talking about you. Just to be clear. 

Is there a driver thread already...?

Albon and Kyat's thoughts on the race. Decent pace in car, Alex got messed up by the Alfa going slow. 

70

42

39

Toro Rosso 3 points ahead of Renault and 28 behind McLaren.

Wow this team has had zero comments unitl today siince March. They were my underdog team last year because of Honda. Feel RB stole their thunder this year. But Kudos to the team.  Who would had thunk they would be ahead of Reanult 

Edited by Sunnny, 28 July 2019 - 16:59.

Tanabe confirms Kvyat's engine is undamaged, Monza retirement was caused by a gradual leak from oil cooler damaged by gravel.

https://members.f1-l...net/race/87460/

Edited by Danyy, 20 September 2019 - 13:26.