2019 Supercheap Bathurst 1000
#101
Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:50
#103
Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:12
#104
Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:14
looks like it was a real issue for the #12
now SVG is up to 4th
Edited by Yhamm, 13 October 2019 - 06:14.
#105
Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:26
#106
Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:38
This is like an Indy500. Fascinating.
#107
Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:50
#108
Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:51
#109
Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:57
#110
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:00
#111
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:01
Edited by rockdude101, 13 October 2019 - 07:02.
#112
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:01
#113
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:02
WAGCAM
#114
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:06
#115
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:06
ugh, don't tell me it will end behind the SC
#116
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:07
ugh. What a shame.
#117
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:09
#118
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:09
#119
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:09
#121
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:13
1 lap it is...
#122
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:13
#123
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:14
oh boy oh boy!
#124
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:18
#125
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:22
#126
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:23
Well done Scottie, just faultless today.
#127
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:25
What a year for Penske.
Pleased for DJR.
#128
Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:27
The Mountain delivered yet again. It's been a great night of 10+ hours of racing.
I'm a big SVG fan, but hats off to DJR, Penske, Premat and Scotty MC. Take a bow.
#129
Posted 13 October 2019 - 08:05
#130
Posted 13 October 2019 - 08:37
That was bloody tense for those last 50 laps. And that last Safety Car: a Penske car in the lead of a hugely important race, with fuel worries, under yellow with the safety crews desperately trying to clean it up so they could have one last lap under green. Bathurst 2019 or Indy 1994? Only difference is they managed to restart it here... and due to the stream delay I had to follow the gap around the last lap on the timing. When it said +0.6 after the Elbow, that was pretty much that.
#131
Posted 13 October 2019 - 09:25
As Bathursts go a fairly uneventfull one. Best car and driver won.
Only controversy was the Tickford cars taking each other out. Very sorry for Cam Waters though it was not deliberate, just a result of drafting and Mostert brakes too late, jinked right to avoid Cam but ran over his wheel. Mostert car was patched up and broke the lap record.
Then on a nanny car Coulthard in the secong DJR car packed the field back by about half a km. Was given a penalty and may have mixed the field up a bit though not a much as was said at the time. Enough to get Larrys ire up though!!
Bloody Kiwis and their overseas owners taking all the gold away,, A Kiwi and a Frog first,driving for Dick and Mr Penske a Kiwi and a West Aussie [many want to secede!!] second driving for a Pom and two Aussies third driving for Pommy US owners.
The American/ Canadian Indy car drivers finished 10th from 21 finishers. I think the place opened their eyes!
#132
Posted 13 October 2019 - 16:13
Bathurst. Always. Delivers.
The last couple of hours were real tense, and I had to watch the last lap through my fingers. SVG behind, cold tyres and drifting it out onto the dirt through the mountain was no good for my heart.
Will be cracking open a bottle tonight to celebrate Scott's win. What a star - my favourite driver across all the motorsport I watch.
What's the biggest ever championship winning margin?
Edited by DS27, 13 October 2019 - 16:51.
#133
Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:23
The American/ Canadian Indy car drivers finished 10th from 21 finishers. I think the place opened their eyes!
19th.
#134
Posted 14 October 2019 - 07:27
Enough to get Larrys ire up though!!
That was quite extraordinary. Wonder why we don't get thoughts from ex-drivers when it's a certain other team bending the rules (arguably the same rule) to their considerable advantage.
#135
Posted 18 October 2019 - 12:07
I'll pop this here - Garry Rogers Motorsport will not be competing in the Supercars Championship in 2020 after handing back their 2 Racing Entitlements Contracts (REC)
Sad to see them go from the Supercars paddock. Hopefully their TCR and S5000 efforts will continue to grow for them.
Edited by krapmeister, 18 October 2019 - 12:08.
#136
Posted 18 October 2019 - 22:37
We have seen how championships like WEC and CART went from potential F1 challengers at their peak to a joke series in just a couple of years. Domestic series like BTCC and DTM also lost relevancy quickly after their peaks years as well. With the big midfield teams like GRM and Kelly Racing already competing in TCR, the loss of such an influential team like GRM from Supercars could be the start of the fall.
Should never have gone from free to air and should never have given 888 so much power. The 888 and Penske battle has a good McLaren and Ferrari super teams at war vibe about it, but it’s of no interest if the rest of the grid is empty.
#137
Posted 18 October 2019 - 22:47
#138
Posted 18 October 2019 - 23:34
#139
Posted 19 October 2019 - 02:16
Edited by krapmeister, 19 October 2019 - 02:16.
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#140
Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:22
#141
Posted 20 October 2019 - 06:43
A $250,000 fine would break a smaller team. Would they give a backmarker a fine like that or do they just make the numbers up as they go?
Also, if what Penske did was actually that bad to get a 1/4 of a million dollar hit, then that actually says that what they did was very severe. So bad enough to get an insane fine, but not bad enough to be disqualified? Kind says cheating is fine as long as you can buy the victory.
(To be clear, I don’t believe they should be disqualified. But if Supercars thinks that what they did was that bad to be worth $250,000, then they are sending a very confusing message by not disqualifying them...)
#142
Posted 20 October 2019 - 08:49
$100,000 was suspended though, until 2021.
So $150,000, which is still a decent amount of cash.
Still, it's proportionate to DJR/Penske, which has deep pockets.
As Lee Holdsworth said on the Fox Sport podcast the other day, you'd pay for a Bathurst win...
#143
Posted 20 October 2019 - 09:08
#144
Posted 20 October 2019 - 09:18
#145
Posted 20 October 2019 - 10:14
I wonder what kind of win bonuses the team has built into its sponsorship deal with Shell.
For example, would they get a bonus for winning Bathurst of, say, $150,000...?
#146
Posted 20 October 2019 - 11:34
#147
Posted 21 October 2019 - 02:34
But the team did gain according to the judgement. #12 was sacrificed to give a more advantageous position to #17, meaning that the net result is that the team comes out ahead.I think the term 'gaining an advantage' only relates to actions of the car in question. If car #17 had sped in pit lane, it would have gained an advantage. Car #12 slowing the field disadvantages the field but isn't an action of #17. So although #17 found itself in a more advantageous situation, it didn't gain that advantage.
The Pandora’s box of this would be running a second car (or more) illegally (underweight, overpowered, etc) so as to run interference of a rivals car (or even a legal car but with the aim of crashing a rival out) turning the race into essentially a game of Gridiron on wheels. The second car will get disqualified anyway, but as long as it’s ruined a championship rivals race then mission accomplished. Just pay your $250,000 whilst polishing the trophy because the car that won didn’t gain an advantage through its own actions.
If a driver and car can’t be separated, I don’t believe a team’s cars can be either when one is used to advantage the other. This is like in F1 where Alonso kept his Singapore win despite it being proven the team rigged the race. Yes Alonso didn’t cheat, but the team blatantly did.
This whole ruling comes across as trying to please everyone; “Look Holden fans, we threw the book at them with the biggest fine in history. Look Ford fans, we didn’t take the win off you because the driver who won did nothing wrong”, which is really quite chickensh*t. If they rigged the race to get fined so much then throw the team out the race. If what they did was no big deal then no further action. This decision just makes a total mess of everything.
Edited by Jazza, 21 October 2019 - 03:01.
#148
Posted 21 October 2019 - 05:51
But the team did gain according to the judgement. #12 was sacrificed to give a more advantageous position to #17, meaning that the net result is that the team comes out ahead.
As I understand the incident, #12 slowed so as not to require stacking in the pits. #12 gained against all those behind (or rather, didn't lose out as they would otherwise), but #17 did not gain any positions or any time.
#149
Posted 08 November 2019 - 02:35
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Edited by krapmeister, 08 November 2019 - 02:36.
#150
Posted 08 November 2019 - 12:55
wow, him and Gary Wilkinson, voices of my youth