My personal driver ranking

My provisional ratings for a subset of drivers:
Hamilton 10
Sainz 10
Gasly 9
Norris 9
Stroll 8
Ricciardo 7
Bottas 3
Max 3
Leclerc 2
Albon 1

 

Edited by jcbc3, 09 September 2020 - 12:31.

As someone who followed this thread this season I would love to see more users come up with their own rankings. I have done some and mine are:

1 Verstappen 8.88

2 Hamilton 8.50

3 Ricciardo 7.81

4 Sainz 7.75

5 Leclerc 7.63

6 Gasly 7.50

7 Bottas 7.31

8 Norris 7.19

9 Perez* 6.92

10 Russell 6.81

11 Ocon 6.75

12 Stroll 6.63

13 Raikkonen 6.56

14 Vettel 6.44

15 Magnussen 6.38

16 Grosjean 6.25

16 Kvyat 6.25

18 Albon 5.81

18 Latifi 5.81

20 Giovinazzi 5.75

** Hulkenberg 6.50

* Perez missed 2 races at Silverstone.

** Hulkenberg was the driver in those 2 races at Silverstone.

I'm still undecided about Hamilton's rating in Monza. I gave him 6 for missing the sign and having a costly penalty but maybe he can take 8 or 9 too.

I also think 10 is too high for Gasly at Monza. He had a good drive and benefited from circumstances.

As someone who followed this thread this season I would love to see more users come up with their own rankings. I have done some and mine are:

1 Verstappen 8.88

2 Hamilton 8.50

3 Ricciardo 7.81

4 Sainz 7.75

5 Leclerc 7.63

6 Gasly 7.50

7 Bottas 7.31

8 Norris 7.19

9 Perez* 6.92

10 Russell 6.81

11 Ocon 6.75

12 Stroll 6.63

13 Raikkonen 6.56

14 Vettel 6.44

15 Magnussen 6.38

16 Grosjean 6.25

16 Kvyat 6.25

18 Albon 5.81

18 Latifi 5.81

20 Giovinazzi 5.75

** Hulkenberg 6.50

 

* Perez missed 2 races at Silverstone.

** Hulkenberg was the driver in those 2 races at Silverstone.

 

I'm still undecided about Hamilton's rating in Monza. I gave him 6 for missing the sign and having a costly penalty but maybe he can take 8 or 9 too.

I also think 10 is too high for Gasly at Monza. He had a good drive and benefited from circumstances.

I like rating drivers but I don't think the regular TV feed allows me to be fair when rating them all, and neither do I dig into Q times and other not so obvious data to help me understand how the weekend went for the whole grid. So I usually only contribute here with scores if I feel pretty confident in them.

Example, I appreciate how feisty Raikkonen was after the red flag, but I honestly have no idea of how god or not his pace was in the first part of the race.

Edited by Atreiu, 09 September 2020 - 00:13.

As someone who followed this thread this season I would love to see more users come up with their own rankings. I have done some and mine are:

1 Verstappen 8.88

2 Hamilton 8.50

3 Ricciardo 7.81

4 Sainz 7.75

5 Leclerc 7.63

6 Gasly 7.50

7 Bottas 7.31

8 Norris 7.19

9 Perez* 6.92

10 Russell 6.81

11 Ocon 6.75

12 Stroll 6.63

13 Raikkonen 6.56

14 Vettel 6.44

15 Magnussen 6.38

16 Grosjean 6.25

16 Kvyat 6.25

18 Albon 5.81

18 Latifi 5.81

20 Giovinazzi 5.75

** Hulkenberg 6.50

 

* Perez missed 2 races at Silverstone.

** Hulkenberg was the driver in those 2 races at Silverstone.

 

I'm still undecided about Hamilton's rating in Monza. I gave him 6 for missing the sign and having a costly penalty but maybe he can take 8 or 9 too.

I also think 10 is too high for Gasly at Monza. He had a good drive and benefited from circumstances.

We had a seperate topic for this last year with viewer ratings. We also had the 'rate the GP' thread, but I can't seem to find it? 

This topic is for media outlet reviews only.

Speaking of which, anyone has the Gazetta ratings? 

1. Verstappen/Hamilton 8,57

3. Ricciardo 7,63

4. Norris/Gasly 7,57

6. Sainz 7,44

7. Leclerc 7,38

8. Bottas 7,19

9. Perez 7,17

10. Räikkönen 7,13

11. Stroll 7

12. Russell 6,94

13. Kvyat 6,56

14. Vettel/Ocon 6,31

16. Magnussen 6,13

17. Grosjean 6,07

18. Albon 5,94

19. Giovinazzi 5,75

20. Latifi 5,56

I give drivers 1 point for practice (used only to knock down drivers for serious mistakes), 3 points for qualifying and 6 points for race. My ratings for each race have full and half points being used. 

These are my 10s given:

Norris - Austria

Leclerc - Britain

Hamilton - Spain

Ricciardo - Belgium

My provisional ratings for a subset of drivers:
Hamilton 10
Sainz 10
Gasly 9
Norris 9
Stroll 8
Ricciardo 7
Bottas 3
Max 3
Leclerc 2
Albon 1

Verstappen 10

Norris 9.5

Ricciardo 9

Hulkenberg 9

Kimi 9

Vettel 8

Gasly 7

Kvyat 7

Magnussen 7

Albon 6

Sainz 6

Latifi 6

Perez 5

Stroll 5

Bottas 5

Russell 5

Grosjean 4

Gio 4

Ocon 4

Leclerc 3

Hamilton 2

Everyone who hasn't won their first race is a zero. Anyone who does is a ten. This is law. 

Just curious. Why did you put the numbers behind the names and not in front?

I'm not really sure what exactly this thread/these numbers are supposed to show? What do they refer to?

Personal ratings post Monza.

Ratings of what? Referring only to that one race? At least that could explain why the best driver ends up at the very bottom.

Are these the ratings for Monza or the whole season?

this has to be a troll

My provisional ratings for a subset of drivers:
Hamilton 10
Sainz 10
Gasly 9
Norris 9
Stroll 8
Ricciardo 7
Bottas 3
Max 3
Leclerc 2
Albon 1

 

Kudos for using scores below five.

My scores (overall season)
5/5 - Max, Lewis, Gasly
4/5 - Sainz, Norris, Ricciardo, Russel, Kimi, Hulk
3/5 - Perez, Stroll, Kvyat, Bottas
2/5 - Leclerc, Vettel, Ocon, Grosjean, Magnussen,
1/5 - Albon, Latifi, Giovinazzi
0/5 - Dirty air

Edited by Retrofly, 10 September 2020 - 09:43.

Here's mine:

Hamilton - 164

Bottas - 117

Verstappen - 110

Stroll - 57

Norris - 57

Albon - 48

Leclerc - 45

Gasly - 43

Sainz - 41

Ricciardo - 41

Perez - 34

Ocon - 30

Vettel - 16

Hulkenberg - 6

Kvyat - 4

Giovinazzi - 2

Magnussen - 1

Anything else is just bunkum.

Gasly a 5/5

Russell, Kimi and Hulk a 4/5

Leclerc a 3/5

That's creative.

For that Leclerc gets a 2. Pray I do not alter it further.

Edited by Retrofly, 10 September 2020 - 09:42.

For that Leclerc gets a 2. Pray I do not alter it further.

Come on, make it a 1. Proper shock value.

The absolute gall of some people! Zero!

Ha! Is this a serious question?

I like these threads I must say, shows who is merely a fan of a specific driver, or who is a fan of the sport .

Well you can't be serious with a 3 3 2 1 for Bottas Verstappen Lerclerc and Albon.

Vettel 10

Magnussen 10

Leclerc 9

Verstappen 9

Giovinazzi 8

Albon 8 

Russell 7

Raikkonen 7

Grosjean 6

Latifi 6

Perez 5

Kvyat 5

Ocon 4

Hamilton 4 

Ricciardo 3

Bottas 3

Norris 2

Stroll 2

Sainz 1

Gasly 1

I like rating drivers but I don't think the regular TV feed allows me to be fair when rating them all, and neither do I dig into Q times and other not so obvious data to help me understand how the weekend went for the whole grid. So I usually only contribute here with scores if I feel pretty confident in them.

 

Example, I appreciate how feisty Raikkonen was after the red flag, but I honestly have no idea of how god or not his pace was in the first part of the race.

Well, I watched the races this year and also watch Q sometimes. And if there are battles or collisions people I missed in the race I usually catch up on reddit or this forum. Similar for strategies.

Plus, I rate them based on how strong his teammate is and if he outraced/outqualified him. Also the car strengths can be deduced from driver pairings. For example Leclerc has massively elevated Ferrari on some occasions this year. There is also the factor of bias, probably for everyone, even though I and many others try to be as objective as possible.

Edited by FTB, 10 September 2020 - 17:52.

My go at it -

Hamilton 8.5

Bottas 7

Albon 7

Ricciardo 9

Perez 8

Norris 7

Kvyat 8

Leclerc 8

Raikkonen 9

Vettel 6

Russell 6.5

Grosjean 5

Stroll 6

Ocon 6

Latifi 6

Magnussen 6

Giovinazzi 5

Sainz 5

Verstappen 7

Gasly 6

I really struggled with this one:

Driver - Race Rating - (Season Rating)

Verstappen 8 (8.78)

Hamilton 8 (8.44)

Ricciardo 9 (7.91)

Leclerc 8 (7.67)

Sainz 5 (7.44)

Bottas 7 (7.28)

Norris 7 (7.17) 

Gasly 4.5 (7.17)

Perez 7 (6.93)*

Russell 7 (6.83)

Stroll 8 (6.78)

Raikkonen 8 (6.72)

Ocon 6.5 (6.72)

Vettel 6.5 (6.44)

Grosjean 7 (6.33)

Kvyat 7 (6.22)

Magnussen 5 (6.22)

Albon 7 (5.94)

Latifi 5 (5.72)

Giovinazzi 5 (5.67)

Edited by FTB, 14 September 2020 - 18:27.

In for a penny

5/5 Ric, Mugello

4/5 Ham, Albon, Kvyat, Leclerc, Kimi, Stroll, Max

3/5 Bottas, Norris, Grosjean, Ocon, Sainz, Vettel, Perez.

2/5 Russell, Gio, Kmag

1/5 Gasly, Verstappen

0/5 SC restarts.

Edited by Retrofly, 14 September 2020 - 18:49.

In for a penny

 

5/5 Ric, Mugello

4/5 Ham, Albon, Kvyat, Leclerc, Kimi, Stroll, Max

3/5 Bottas, Norris, Grosjean, Ocon, Sainz, Vettel

2/5 Russell, Gio, Kmag

1/5 Gasly, Verstappen

0/5 SC restarts.

Wishful thinking? typo? you tell me

Wishful thinking? typo? you tell me

Did you give Max a 4/5 for Qualifying & Verstappen a 1/5 for getting punted out of the race perhaps. 

Alright, let's do it

Hamilton 7

Vettel 4

Raikkonen 1

Thats it.

Here are my ratings based on my own, secret, scientific formula:

Hamilton 1 = Best car. Doesnt count.

Bottas 1 = Best car. Doesnt count.

Albon 6 = somewhat useless, but still okay-ish

Ricciardo 11 = mister funnyguy 

Perez 1 = mister COVID

Norris 9 =memelord and all-around goofball

Kvyat 5 = "big-balls"-torpedo

Leclerc 9 = Polish-god 

Raikkonen 281 = Its Kimi. Nuff' said

Vettel 5 = What is he even doing?

Russell 5 = Boring

Grosjean 5 = "i think Ericsson hit us"

Stroll 8 = Pretty decent actually

Ocon 6 = Needs to step it up

Latifi 5 = Who?

Magnussen 15 = Responsible for all the randomness in the last two races. Keep it up!

Giovinazzi 4 = Huh? 

Sainz 8 = Smooth operator

Verstappen 10 = Destroyer of worlds and Honda-engines.

Gasly 9 = WOOOOOWOWOAWOAWWAWOAOWOAWO. Minuspoints for destroying my ears.

Edited by BobbyRicky, 16 September 2020 - 08:05.

 

So I guess I'll post these in here from now on... turns out Lights.net was just a scam.

 

Sorry for the delay. And the shitty ratings. Before you complain: I'm not happy about them either. See you in Russia.

 

Verstappen 8

Hamilton 8

Ricciardo 8

Leclerc 8

Stroll 8

Bottas 7

Norris 7

Russell 7

Perez 7

Ocon 7

Räikkönen 7

Kvyat 7

Vettel 7

Grosjean 7

Albon 7

Sainz 6

Gasly 6

Magnussen 6

Latifi 6

Giovinazzi 6

 

 

Nice looking table  . As far as the ratings go, quick glance at that pretty table points to a case of "how much did the drivers lived up to my preconceived idea of their level, and not a single point more " type of thing for the most part. 

Nice looking table  . As far as the ratings go, quick glance at that pretty table points to a case of "how much did the drivers lived up to my preconceived idea of their level, and not a single point more " type of thing for the most part. 

Thanks! Yeah there's some truth in that. I do apply a predetermined estimate of their level based on their long term record, or lack thereof. Nobody suddenly turns into superman for 1 race.

No algorithm required really.

Top 4 guys for the last 2 years at least have been Hamilton, Verstappen, Leclerc and Ricciardo, they are the money men and the best drivers in the paddock - flip a coin for the rest.

Thanks! Yeah there's some truth in that. I do apply a predetermined estimate of their level based on their long term record, or lack thereof. Nobody suddenly turns into superman for 1 race.

Fair enough. Just saying a little more variation would be more to my taste, even if averages turn out to be close to my own perception. Personally, i believe that (almost) every driver on the grid is capable of putting a very good perfomance, say at least an 8, on his good day. But how can we tell, right? It's not easy, that's for sure.

@Lights I gave Latifi, Magnussen, Giovinazzi and Sainz 5 because they also got outqualified by their teammates ( Sainz didn't but he spun at lap 1 and dropped back ) and was involved in that weird accident. Gasly 4.5 because he crashed out by his fault in lap 1 and also had a very bad qualifying. Siilar apart from that mostly, with some getting 0.5 or 1 higher or lower. ( I use half points when I'm not sure about the rating. ) But I agree that it was a very hard race to rate drivers on, because of all the crashes and restarts. Also, do you not rate a driver who participated in qualifying but not race? Because I think they can be still rated based on their qualifying. ( And you rated Verstappen at Mugello but not Sainz at Belgium or Hulkenberg at Britain. I personally rated all three. )

Edited by FTB, 16 September 2020 - 19:12.

@Lights I gave Latifi, Magnussen, Giovinazzi and Sainz 5 because they also got outqualified by their teammates ( Sainz didn't but he spun at lap 1 and dropped back ) and was involved in that weird accident. Gasly 4.5 because he crashed out by his fault in lap 1 and also had a very bad qualifying. Siilar apart from that mostly, with some getting 0.5 or 1 higher or lower. ( I use half points when I'm not sure about the rating. ) But I agree that it was a very hard race to rate drivers on, because of all the crashes and restarts. Also, do you not rate a driver who participated in qualifying but not race? Because I think they can be still rated based on their qualifying. ( And you rated Verstappen at Mugello but not Sainz at Belgium or Hulkenberg at Britain. I personally rated all three. )

Yeah like I said in my previous post, I wasn't too happy with these ratings. I found it really tricky to rate a race with 3 starts, 2 red flags, and so many DNF's that to me weren't clearly the fault of any particular driver. The oddness of the race made me go for conservative scores. On principle I don't do half points, which makes it harder sometimes, but I also like the simplicity of it.

Personally I mostly put the blame on the FIA for the restart accident. I didn't feel like punishing the drivers that happened to be caught out by it. Being outqualified is generally not a reason for me to give a 5. But everybody has their own thermometer, so to say. There's nothing wrong with how you rated them either.

I also almost didn't rate Verstappen. Then I thought, if I don't rate Verstappen, why would I rate Latifi, Magnussen, Giovinazzi and Sainz. They 'raced' like 3 more corners than him. Instead of not rating all of them, I ultimately decided to rate him as well. It might be a bit uneven with not rating Sainz and Hulkenberg before. With Hulkenberg it felt right because he also had limited preparation and it was hard to judge him. Sainz then because he also didn't make the grid. But I indeed might be inconsistent with that. Either way I don't think it hurts or boosts anyone too much.

IMO there is a justification to not rate drivers that essentially didnt race if they didnt had any fault for retiring, because the problem with those drivers is that they could have had till then a perfect weekend that could have warranted a 10 if he had actually raced, but since it didnt happen you cant give them that, so you give them a 7-8 or something instead, which isnt quite fair either.

If they were at fault for retiring (and some of them were) not rating them would basically mean that they would be rewarded for crashing (i.e. their overall score stays the same instead of dropping), so in those cases they definitely "deserve" a rating,

Here's mine:

 

Hamilton - 164

Bottas - 117

Verstappen - 110

Stroll - 57

Norris - 57

Albon - 48

Leclerc - 45

Gasly - 43

Sainz - 41

Ricciardo - 41

Perez - 34

Ocon - 30

Vettel - 16

Hulkenberg - 6

Kvyat - 4

Giovinazzi - 2

Magnussen - 1

 

Anything else is just bunkum.

The only thing that counts

IMO there is a justification to not rate drivers that essentially didnt race if they didnt had any fault for retiring, because the problem with those drivers is that they could have had till then a perfect weekend that could have warranted a 10 if he had actually raced, but since it didnt happen you cant give them that, so you give them a 7-8 or something instead, which isnt quite fair either.

If they were at fault for retiring (and some of them were) not rating them would basically mean that they would be rewarded for crashing (i.e. their overall score stays the same instead of dropping), so in those cases they definitely "deserve" a rating,

Technically you have good points, but where does that end though? If a driver races with non-fault floor damage an entire race but finishes, should they also not be rated? Because it's impossible to know how much it cost them (could have warranted a 10...), yet I believe everyone rates a driver in that case, which can also be called unfair. Other variants of this exist as well, where it's sometimes not clear how long a driver has been suffering from a particular defect.

So there's different schools of thought. One is, rate what you do know. The other is, extrapolate what potentially could have been achieved, and if you feel like you don't know enough about that, don't rate at all. 

But with every situation the question is, where to then draw the line? What is 'essentially didn't race' ?

Yeah like I said in my previous post, I wasn't too happy with these ratings. I found it really tricky to rate a race with 3 starts, 2 red flags, and so many DNF's that to me weren't clearly the fault of any particular driver. The oddness of the race made me go for conservative scores. On principle I don't do half points, which makes it harder sometimes, but I also like the simplicity of it.

 

Personally I mostly put the blame on the FIA for the restart accident. I didn't feel like punishing the drivers that happened to be caught out by it. Being outqualified is generally not a reason for me to give a 5. But everybody has their own thermometer, so to say. There's nothing wrong with how you rated them either.

 

I also almost didn't rate Verstappen. Then I thought, if I don't rate Verstappen, why would I rate Latifi, Magnussen, Giovinazzi and Sainz. They 'raced' like 3 more corners than him. Instead of not rating all of them, I ultimately decided to rate him as well. It might be a bit uneven with not rating Sainz and Hulkenberg before. With Hulkenberg it felt right because he also had limited preparation and it was hard to judge him. Sainz then because he also didn't make the grid. But I indeed might be inconsistent with that. Either way I don't think it hurts or boosts anyone too much.

I went for conservative scores too, for many, nobody looked great apart from Ricciardo imo.

Good points there about the restart accident. To me it looked like the drivers in the back all had some fault ( some more some less ), and yes, FIA should fix the restart procedure, this was way too dangerous, and it is also fair to not blame the drivers for the crash.

I generally rate the drivers who have a mechanical DNS or a non-fault DNF early ( similar for those who have their race ruined by a non-fault crash related damage ) based on their qualifying/start, which might make it a bit unfair ( because, as Marklar says who knows how would the race go? ), but you can extrapolate their potential results from their teammates performance. Not fair probably, but as you say, where to draw the line?

Edited by FTB, 16 September 2020 - 21:16.

My list, I'll share the math later

 

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Fonty Flock

Twig Zeigler

Coo Coo Marlin

Duck Waddle

Banjo Matthews

Dick Passwater

Will Power

Beaver Dragon

 

don't @me

 

 

@Squeed.

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