Vettel summoned to stewards over behaviour at the drivers' meeting [split]

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Anyone know what Seb did?

That's a weird one. Turned up without pants on?

In an eco-dress?

Edited by JimmyClark, 09 July 2022 - 15:56.

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Anyone know what Seb did?

Edited by Deeq, 09 July 2022 - 15:56.

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Anyone know what Seb did?

@ChrisMedlandF1

It relates to the drivers' meeting on Friday night, and so far all I've been told is Seb left it.

@ChrisMedlandF1
It relates to the drivers' meeting on Friday night, and so far all I've been told is Seb left it.
 
The timing explains why it's the first summons (6pm local time) before an investigation into Schumacher and Ricciardo for potential starting procedure infringements
 
#F1 #AustrianGP

Keith Collantine] The stewards are considering whether Sebastian Vettel’s behaviour at a drivers’ meeting yesterday “caused moral injury” to the FIA or its members. Christian Horner broke the same rule in Qatar last year by referring to a “rogue marshal”:

Ah it seems to be article 12.2.1.f, for "causing moral injury or loss to the FIA". (Etc)

I wonder what he said (or who he said it to).

I wonder what he said (or who he said it to).

I guess he called out the inconsistency of stewarding/RD. Track limits enforcement was very poor yesterday.

How is it an injury or loss if we haven't heard about it.

"The Race understands that Friday’s driver briefing was the latest in a series of lengthy & animated discussions between the drivers and race direction. The relationship between drivers & officials has grown increasingly tense as this season has progressed."

"There is discontent among the drivers over the consistency of the officiating & a view that the shared race direction with Niels Wittich and Eduardo Freitas is not working effectively. Alonso & Vettel are said to have been particularly outspoken in the Friday meeting."

https://the-race.com...rivers-meeting/

@Cla_Cottingham

Hearing Sebastian Vettel is seemingly still with the stewards after being summoned regarding his "behaviour at the drivers' meeting". He was called in to meet at 1800 local time… so 35 minutes ago. #AustrianGP #F1

How is it an injury or loss if we haven't heard about it.

The irony being we are now likely to hear of it 

Edited by Jellyfishcake, 09 July 2022 - 16:38.

The running of race control and the F1 side of the FIA at large this year has reeked of middle management having their ego take a few punches, and trying to cement their weak position in a haphazard way.

@LukeSmithF1

FIA hands Vettel a suspended €25k fine - says he left the drivers' meeting without permission. "Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case." #F1 #AustrianGP

Someone on Reddit suggested he was caught putting sauce on a schnitzel, which is equivalent of adding the milk in first with a cup of tea.

That's fair enough in my book.

Er, but that's the right way to make a cuppa.

@ChrisMedlandF1

Suspended €25,000 fine for Vettel for his behaviour at the drivers' meeting.

@LukeSmithF1
FIA hands Vettel a suspended €25k fine - says he left the drivers' meeting without permission. "Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case." #F1 #AustrianGP

Er, but that's the right way to make a cuppa.

Are you a pagan or something?

Just brung up propa

Do not taunt Happy Fun FIA™.

Are you a pagan or something?

Which is true and correct.

However the FIA have the same responsibility, they are failing massively.

It seems to be becoming reverting to more of a dictatorship.

Jeez, the fia come across as a bunch of cronies.
Mohammed was always gonna go after vettel it felt like.

The FIA is an organization that was being managed from the outside (EX: Ross Brawn suggesting what changes to make after Abu Dhabi). F1's way of doing things for itself without considering the impact on other series was something that needed to be addressed (Ex: Charlie Whiting's views on track limits violations).

Everybody looks at how things are done by the Big Guys (F1).

The FIA has no morality, so how can it be injured?

The driver, Sebastian Vettel, left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8 July, without permission, and expressing frustration at the meeting.

Drivers are not free to leave when they want, this being a breach of the requirement to attend. Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case.

Subsequently Vettel had a meeting with the Race Director, who informed the Stewards that Vettel apologized without reservation, and that further, they had a very constructive conversation covering the topics in the meeting and more. The Stewards determine that there is a breach, which cannot go without penalty, but that based on the report from the Race Director there are factors in mitigation.

Therefore, the Stewards order a fine of €25,000, which is suspended for the remainder of the 2022 season, subject to any breach of Article 20.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations or of Article 12.2.1 f) of the International Sporting Code.

It seems to be becoming reverting to more of a dictatorship.

I guess Vettel knew what he did, which only makes it more admirable.

The FIA has no morality, so how can it be injured?

Well, if somebody publicly calls somebody else's comptence into question, like an official's during a meeting involving all other competitors... 

It would be the same in any professional sport.

Well, if somebody publicly calls somebody else's comptence into question, like an official's during a meeting involving all other competitors...


It would be the same in any professional sport.

I'm liking finger boy more and more of late, solidarity.

You see its not what he said in the meeting that is the issue rather he left the meeting in a huff..

While expressing 'frustration at the meeting'.

These errant drivers must be pulled in to line.  Rules are rules.  Or whatever the rhetoric over pants and rings was. 

The driver, Sebastian Vettel, left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8 July, without permission, and expressing frustration at the meeting.

 

Drivers are not free to leave when they want, this being a breach of the requirement to attend. Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case.

 

Subsequently Vettel had a meeting with the Race Director, who informed the Stewards that Vettel apologized without reservation, and that further, they had a very constructive conversation covering the topics in the meeting and more. The Stewards determine that there is a breach, which cannot go without penalty, but that based on the report from the Race Director there are factors in mitigation.

 

Therefore, the Stewards order a fine of €25,000, which is suspended for the remainder of the 2022 season, subject to any breach of Article 20.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations or of Article 12.2.1 f) of the International Sporting Code.

I get it, but it all just seems to be deepening divisions between the drivers and the people trying to administer it all. Feels like they’re trying to shut up dissent rather than listen. I really hope it’s actually they’re doing both.

Ridiculous.....completely pathetic. The stewards are a bunch of gutless gob5h1tes....Where do they dig these idiots up from? 

How is failing to follow procedure "causing moral injury or loss to the FIA"

While expressing 'frustration at the meeting'.

These errant drivers must be pulled in to line.  Rules are rules.  Or whatever the rhetoric over pants and rings was. 

Only holds true if the rules are consistent from race-to-race - or even session-to-session.

Maybe a Mexico 2016 kind of frustration?

That's exactly what I think. The FIA wll never say about itself 'Mr Vettel said Mr. Wittich lacked the experience required for the job' or 'Mr. Vettel said the discussion was a complete waste of time' or 'Mr. Vettel complained that Mr.Wittich was 'Not listening'' and  therefore chose to leave the meeting before its end.

A third of the grid up before the stewards now for illegal radio messages. This FIA shower need to get a grip of themselves.

I thought the job of the "Sporting Director" for each team was to ensure compliance (and exploitation) of the rules for their team?  If so, they've obviously not been doing their jobs well.

How is failing to follow procedure "causing moral injury or loss to the FIA"[/size]

The driver, Sebastian Vettel, left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8 July, without permission, and expressing frustration at the meeting.

 

Drivers are not free to leave when they want, this being a breach of the requirement to attend. Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case.

 

Subsequently Vettel had a meeting with the Race Director, who informed the Stewards that Vettel apologized without reservation, and that further, they had a very constructive conversation covering the topics in the meeting and more. The Stewards determine that there is a breach, which cannot go without penalty, but that based on the report from the Race Director there are factors in mitigation.

 

Therefore, the Stewards order a fine of €25,000, which is suspended for the remainder of the 2022 season, subject to any breach of Article 20.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations or of Article 12.2.1 f) of the International Sporting Code.

Sounds more like a school master complaining of a pupil walking out of class, not like a multi million dollar organisation - just a piss poor management style instead of addressing the reasons why he walked out.
 

While expressing 'frustration at the meeting'.

Does all these stewards enforcement decisions sound more like trying to wrest control back from the drivers? You know like the famous Ferrari quote of drivers are two a penny we can get anyone to drive our fine machines type of thing?