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#1 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 14:18

Motorsport, cricket and karate are among the nine sports invited by Los Angeles 2028 to present their case for inclusion at the Olympics.

Baseball-softball, lacrosse, breaking, kickboxing, squash and flag football were also granted permission to submit Request for Information proposals for the sport programme review.

Sambo, flying disc and teqball, which have all shown interest in obtaining a place at the 2028 Olympics, are noticeably not on the list.

The nine shortlisted sports are due to make their arguments later this month.

https://www.insideth...ticles/1126540/



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#2 Ben1445

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 14:27

A few years ago there was some talk of making the case for electric karting as a hopeful candidate. There was even a demo event at the 2018 Youth Olympics for it. 
 
Karting at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics
 
Given the focal points set out by the Games I think it would probably be the best bet if it were to happen at all: 

The presentations are likely to focus on a six-point criteria list which includes supporting environmental stability, upholding integrity and fairness, and recognising both interest in the host country and offering global appeal.

The relevant International Federations have also been told to prioritise a reduction in the cost and complexity of staging the Games, promoting gender equality and engaging the best athletes.


Edited by Ben1445, 03 August 2022 - 14:31.


#3 Widefoot2

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 14:43

Call me "old fashioned" (which is fair, as I'm old), but I firmly believe that motor-assisted sport should not be part of the Olympics.  Mechanical aids that are human powered, such as bicycles or skateboards I'm fine with, horses and sailboats too, but electric or combustion aids should be separated from from 'classic" sport competition.

 

There's already too many sub-sports in the Olympics, that's one reason for my distaste.  Also, as we so clearly know technology and cost, while relevant to older sports like archery, sailing, bicycling etc. are an influence in sporting success; motor racing takes that a large step further.  Save it for other forms of "World" competitions.



#4 Risil

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 14:50

#Justiceforsambo

#5 aportinga

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 14:52

On the way back from games (soccer) this weekend my kid was quizing me... Found out that Art was actually in the Olympics way back when.

 

WTF?



#6 aportinga

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 14:53

Oh and... Motorsport was (sort of) in the Olympics in 2008.

 



#7 milestone 11

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 14:59

Second time around. France wrapped it up last time.

#8 Anja

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 15:05

I don't really have an opinion other than I think there's just no point to it. It will have incredibly little connection with the normal motorsport world and nobody will care about it. Kinda like football/soccer where it's enough of its own thing to not need the olympics. 


Edited by Anja, 03 August 2022 - 15:07.


#9 PlatenGlass

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 15:08

A few years ago there was some talk of making the case for electric karting as a hopeful candidate. There was even a demo event at the 2018 Youth Olympics for it.

Karting at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics

Given the focal points set out by the Games I think it would probably be the best bet if it were to happen at all:

I'm surprised karts aren't all electric by now anyway.

#10 Ben1445

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 15:17

I mean... shooting is an Olympic sport. That's 'just' standing with a special hollow tube, pulling a little lever to ignite some chemistry magic to fire a piece of metal at high velocity and whoever does this most accurately wins. You don't even have the physical strength element of drawing back a bow-string like there is in archery. 

 

I can't say I've ever been completely convinced by the 'it doesn't fit with the Olympics' angle. I see it as conceptually somewhere between equestrian events (athletically controlling an external transport means which uses stored chemical energy) and sailing (using technology to harness a natural resource) 

 

 Electric karting would by far be the best fit all things considered. Most accessible, lowest cost, in line with sustainable aims, can be made into a very level playing field, professional racing drivers all enjoy karting when they can (honesty, think they wouldn't all sign up to try and win a gold medal in it?)... 

 

That all said, I would still be surprised if it made it into the Olympics. 


Edited by Ben1445, 03 August 2022 - 15:18.


#11 Roadhouse

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 15:59

If they add Motorsport it'll probably be Motorcross. Karting is a bit boring for the average viewer.

#12 Alan Lewis

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:04

The second modern Olympics were held as part of the 1900 World's Fair in Paris and there were motor racing, motorcycling and powerboating events...

https://en.wikipedia...Summer_Olympics

They aren't regarded as official events these days but, as the article says, the IOC has never actually defined which 1900 sports were "Olympic" and which were not.

Powerboating also took place at the 1908 London Olympics (which was the half-remembered factoid that led me to the above link).

#13 Beri

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:18

Motorsports as an Olympic sport? Please no.

#14 genius83

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:21

Oh and... Motorsport was (sort of) in the Olympics in 2008.

 

Sorry to correct you but this is not Beijing 2008, it is Torino 2006.



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:21

Well, I wasn't watching either way, so I don't really give a damn, but it seems like an especially stupid idea, but hell, so are most of the events.



#16 Izzyeviel

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:23

If you can ensure equal machinery between the drivers, why not? Maybe we could get some former F1 drivers to settle some mass debates.



#17 Anderis

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:26

I'm not against it in principle but I struggle to see how it could be made a good event from a practical point of view.


Edited by Anderis, 03 August 2022 - 16:28.


#18 OvDrone

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:28

Supercross at the Olympics. It's perfect.

Make it happen.

#19 Fastcake

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:48

What on earth is breaking?

A discipline of motorsport related to the Ferrari strategy department?

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#20 Ben1445

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 16:53

Break dancing

#21 Pete_f1

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 17:08

I hope not. The Olympics are about pushing the human body.

#22 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 17:08

I love motorsport - but please, no. It somehow... doesn't feel right to have motorsport in the Olympics, as it doesn't really belong there.



#23 Ben1445

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 17:10

I hope not. The Olympics are about pushing the human body.


Again…. Shooting.

#24 Risil

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 17:12

I think that by and large Olympic events don't really work when they're a sideshow to the real centre of a particular sport. Athletes prioritize other events, don't focus their training around whatever the Olympic format is, and the spectacle tends to be devalued. This would happen in motor sport probably even more than it already happens in, say, men's soccer or golf or tennis.

 

Karting might be interesting because you might get a situation like boxing where competitors frequently gain major experience in Olympic-style competition before turning pro afterwards. You could potentially find a niche there. They might all be kids though, which could be pretty weird.



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 17:35

I hope not. The Olympics are about pushing the human body.

 

The Olympics is about making money and threatening businesses that use the word "Olympic" in their name with legal action. It's about banning countries that have doping policy, but allowing their athletes to continue (because they make them money). It's about stopping countries from entering their most dedicated athletes who, like Eddie "the eagle" Edwards and Eric Moussambani may not be the best in the world, but are the one's their countries want to enter.

 

I will watch some sports, but I'm beyond caring about what the Olympic organisers decide to do - they only look after their own vested interests.



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 18:52

Call me "old fashioned" (which is fair, as I'm old), but I firmly believe that motor-assisted sport should not be part of the Olympics.  Mechanical aids that are human powered, such as bicycles or skateboards I'm fine with, horses and sailboats too, but electric or combustion aids should be separated from from 'classic" sport competition.

 

There's already too many sub-sports in the Olympics, that's one reason for my distaste.  Also, as we so clearly know technology and cost, while relevant to older sports like archery, sailing, bicycling etc. are an influence in sporting success; motor racing takes that a large step further.  Save it for other forms of "World" competitions.

Agreed.



#27 messy

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 18:54

Supercross/motocross, or some kind of ATV equivalent is all I can see working properly.

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 18:58

Supercross/motocross, or some kind of ATV equivalent is all I can see working properly.

 

Karts. Nice and simple. If you're going to have motorised sport then let's have it in its purest, grass-roots form.

 

Either that or $500 paddock cars and a Race of Champions style event, with entry determined by global wildcards and nothing else. 


Edited by ClubmanGT, 03 August 2022 - 18:59.


#29 ClubmanGT

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:04

I think you'd have to split it into the current-gen Karters (the real professionals), the Superlicense holders/Indycar drivers and then run a combined medal race of the two.

 

Or have a huge number of entries and have a single lap shootout session to pick two grids that then race for a place in the final. 

 

There really isn't a reason Karting couldn't be an event but you would have to find a way to make sure you appealed to F1/Indy drivers AND still had a pathway for club level competitors to progress to it.



#30 William Hunt

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:07

karting should be an olympic sport



#31 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:20

Will there be national limits? How many Americans will be allowed to enter. If it's only a few, how on earth do you pick say...5? And what is your win worth if you're just beating up on a bunch of smaller nations where their best racing driver is someone you've literally never heard of. Or will it turn into A1GP and people will passport shop on tenuous grounds.



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:21

Again…. Shooting.

Come to my club where I shoot SH1 (Parasport, i,e. disability) 10 metre air pistol (regulated by the National Small-Bore Rifle Association, which is regulated in turn by the International Shooting Sport Federation, the FIA equivalent) so is hence an Olympic/Paralympic event, and see if you can beat me (you'll have an advantage presuming you're not also a wheelchair user). :lol:   We shoot 60 shot comps, and I recently beat a guy in the Norfolk Open who was until recently, a Para sports javelin thrower and shot-putter with upper arms the size of my waist, yet, by 40 shots, his arm was shaking badly.  Mine only stated to go slightly around 50 shots, despite my Osteogenesis imperfecta and resultant weak joints.


Edited by cpbell, 03 August 2022 - 19:30.


#33 Sterzo

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:22

Yes, karting it should be, with a fleet of identical karts. For those who think it might be boring, I have only one word: Bercy!

 

Who should drive? Anyone nominated by their country's Olympic committee. If that includes existing karters, F1 world champions and retired racing drivers, so be it.



#34 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:23

I hope not. The Olympics are about pushing the human body.

hm...equestrian sports are pretty similar to motorsport



#35 ClubmanGT

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:27

Will there be national limits? How many Americans will be allowed to enter. If it's only a few, how on earth do you pick say...5?

 

This is a problem with almost every event in the Olympics to be fair. See it all the time in rowing in this part of the world. 



#36 highdownforce

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:29

I hope not. The Olympics are about pushing the human body.

 

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This or curling?



#37 cpbell

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:29

Come to my club where I shoot SH1 (Parasport, i,e. disability) 10 metre air pistol (regulated by the British Small-Bore Rifle Association, which is regulated in turn by the International Shooting Sports Federation, the FIA equivalent) so is hence an Olympic/Paralympic event, and see if you can beat me (you'll have an advantage presuming you're not also a wheelchair user). :lol:   We shoot 60 shot comps, and I recently beat a guy in the Norfolk Open who was until recently, a Para sports javelin thrower and shot-putter with upper arms the size of my waist, yet, by 40 shots, his arm was shaking badly.  Mine only stated to go slightly around 50 shots, despite my Osteogenesis imperfecta and resultant weak joints.

Oh, and BTW, that was a momentary burst of conceit! :blush: :lol:



#38 AncientLurker

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:36

Please no.
The Olympics are trying anything & everything to reinvent themselves and revitalize interest (and to some degree it is working). Motorsport has no place in the Olympics. It does not need the Olympics. Skateboarding made this mistake. Climbing made this mistake. Other sports made this mistake.

Caveat: I do not like the corrupt business that is the Olympics, nothing against the competitors striving to be their best.

 

IMO:

Shooting I assume is not easy, but has no place in the Olympics. I would include archery as well. I think these are hold overs from days gone by and don't fit.

Equestrian has no place in the Olympics, but people like horses I suppose.



#39 Ben1445

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:41

I might clarify that I had no intention of suggesting shooting was easy any more that I would suggest karting is like a gentle Sunday drive around Lake Windemere.

I just think that, maybe, because karting is quite fast it’s immediately compared to cycling or running and thus the use of the mechanical propulsion feels like cheating. When in actuality that misses the ways in which is does test human strength and co-ordination. Shooting’s acceptance as an olympic sport I think just shows that karting isn’t out of step with what the Olympics is.

Edited by Ben1445, 03 August 2022 - 19:53.


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#40 Sterzo

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:41

Come to my club where I shoot

OK, OK, I won't argue with you any more...



#41 AncientLurker

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:43

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This or curling?

It would be interesting just to see what they actually allowed with something like that as the Olympics has been notorious for not allowing certain tricks/moves. Snowboarding had restrictions in the early days on what was allowed. I think tramp and gymnastics still do. X Games even stopped some motox events for a while after a death and some serious injuries.

 

Curling is a fun social sport with strategy and it does require some skill. Not an Olympic level sport though.


Edited by AncientLurker, 03 August 2022 - 19:44.


#42 ClubmanGT

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:45

IMO:

Shooting I assume is not easy, but has no place in the Olympics. I would include archery as well. I think these are hold overs from days gone by and don't fit.

Equestrian has no place in the Olympics, but people like horses I suppose.

 

So no new sports, but no established Olympic sports either?

 

Is your ideal Olympics just a registration desk where they all show up, get all the casual sex out of the way up front and then sod-off back to their respective countries after a few days of rooting?

 

Don't tell we have to start handing out medals in that too. 



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:49

I might clarify that I had no intention of suggesting shooting was easy any more that I would suggest karting is like a gentle Sunday drive around Lake Windemere.

I just think that, maybe, because karting is quite fast it’s immediately compared to cycling or running and this the use of the mechanical propulsion feels like cheating. When in actuality that misses the ways in which is does test human strength and co-ordination. Shooting’s acceptance as an olympic sport I think just shows that karting isn’t out of step with what the Olympics is.

No need to apologise, mate!



#44 cpbell

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:54

BTW, in case anyone is interested, here are some able-bodied guys in the same discipline as me, except this is international standard:

 



#45 Retrofly

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 19:58

If the Olympics isn't the pinnacle of the sport it shouldn't be in the Olympics.

 

E.G Football, Golf and Tennis in the olympics is a joke, when sports like Squash aren't. The Olympics should be about the promotion of lesser-known/non professional sports. We dont need a another football tournament etc.

 

Im not sure there is a need for motorsport to be included for the Olympics, no one is particulary calling for it.



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 20:45

Just have Race of Champion during The Olympics. They do it each year, so it wouldn't be too difficult to do one special one every 4th year.

Obviously in summer it would clash with most motorsport series, so I don't know how F1, GT or Rally stars would have time to participate, or if they were even allowed to race. And how do you qualify for that? There's no clear criterion like in athletics, where certain time or distance is the threshold to meet. Besides, different motorsport categories are uncomparable.

 

Nevertheless, they should definitely have proper cars with big names like in RoC, instead of electric karting with bunch of unknowns drivers. That would be waste of time.


Edited by Ruusperi, 03 August 2022 - 20:48.


#47 cpbell

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 20:57

OK, OK, I won't argue with you any more...

We're mostly old, disabled or decrepit chaps - I'm one of the younger members at 41!



#48 Widefoot2

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 22:43

 

Is your ideal Olympics just a registration desk where they all show up, get all the casual sex out of the way up front and then sod-off back to their respective countries after a few days of rooting?

 

Don't tell we have to start handing out medals in that too. 

If these are set up as competitions with judges and good costumes, I'd back this over most other events in the Olympics.  Broadcast late at night uncensored, so adults could learn some new techniques!



#49 noikeee

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 00:22

If "motorsport at the Olympics" ends up being Max v Charles V Lewis in identical karts for an official gold medal, that would be absolutely brilliant entertainment.

Does it suit the Olympics? Almost certainly not, much of motorsport is all about the competition over building and preparing the cars too. Will it be Max v Charles v Lewis in identical karts? I also suspect it won't.

#50 jonpollak

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 05:14

Is this NASCAR at the LA Colosseum?
Jp