TSN is treating us Canadians with a 1 hour 2000 Season Season Preview right after the Aust. GP Qualifying!
Here is TSN's schedule for Saturday Mar 11:
12:00AM -> Formula One Qualifying - Australian Grand Prix
1:00AM -> Formula One - 2000 Season Preview
Formula One - 2000 Season Preview on TSN!!
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Posted 01 March 2000 - 05:18
Thanks Schumi Fan! Good news, indeed.
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Posted 01 March 2000 - 05:21
They better, dont know why they are pre empting qualifying!
Oh well atleast its not as bad as last year when they preempted the race..FOR CURLING! AGGH!
Oh well atleast its not as bad as last year when they preempted the race..FOR CURLING! AGGH!
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Posted 01 March 2000 - 05:23
Many Thanks for posting this, It can't come soon enough!
All the Best FP
All the Best FP
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Posted 01 March 2000 - 07:05
Yes yes yes! I'm going to be in Vancouver for the opening...can't wait for some authentic Murray and Martin...and a 2000 season preview...oh my god....wow
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 02:26
Will.....Vic.....Reuter......be......doing......the comm.......entary for the.....season....preview....
Oh jesus, like we need to listen to him say "Bonjourno Gerry". Or talk about the mighty M and M's.
Oh jesus, like we need to listen to him say "Bonjourno Gerry". Or talk about the mighty M and M's.
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 03:09
If the show is taped before qualifying, I find it lame that they air it at 1am ... and after qualifying is not really a "preview" anymore!
If they use the qualifying results for their preview, then it makes more sense.
Like Damop, I'm not a big fan of Vic's ... Hopefully they'll let Donaldson do most of the talking!
Funny how on TSN I find the guy on site good and the guy in the studio anoying and on RDS I find the guys in the studio good and the guy on site anoying!
Can't wait for next Saturday night to hear Murray and Martin!
If they use the qualifying results for their preview, then it makes more sense.
Like Damop, I'm not a big fan of Vic's ... Hopefully they'll let Donaldson do most of the talking!
Funny how on TSN I find the guy on site good and the guy in the studio anoying and on RDS I find the guys in the studio good and the guy on site anoying!
Can't wait for next Saturday night to hear Murray and Martin!
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 10:01
I can't even remember how many times I thought Gerry Donaldson would want to call Vic a moron.
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 10:43
I dunno ... call me an idiot but I think Vic is ok. Maybe it's because when I hear his voice at 7am on Saturdays or 7:30am on Sundays ... I know it's GP time. Gerry D is cool as in an insane-old-uncle-with-lots-of-stories-kind-of-way.
By the way ... somebody up there mentioned being delayed by curling last year. Could happen again. The Briar is on that night & it's in BC ... so a late start. Keep a close eye on the listings. I have not done the math yet ... but ... isn't Australia 16hrs ahead of EST ... and therefore ... shouldn't live qualifying be on at ???????? Wait. Sounds wrong. Let me check this. Get back to 'ya
By the way ... somebody up there mentioned being delayed by curling last year. Could happen again. The Briar is on that night & it's in BC ... so a late start. Keep a close eye on the listings. I have not done the math yet ... but ... isn't Australia 16hrs ahead of EST ... and therefore ... shouldn't live qualifying be on at ???????? Wait. Sounds wrong. Let me check this. Get back to 'ya
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 11:09
Yup ... Qualifying is tape delayed ... by 3 stinkin' hours!!!!!Guess why----> CURLING!!! The only thing worse here will be the fact that if many of you think Vic is bad (I don't), since he is doing curling, we'll probably get that moron Darren Datuschyn (no idea of the spelling) doing the coverage.
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 11:20
Ah who cares. Count yourselves lucky that we're in Canada and even get qualifying AND a season preview. Just turn the volume off and put some music on...
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 11:41
I get sick to my stomach everytime I hear you people bitch about Vic or TSN coverage. I know people who don't even get coverage for half the races, and they are die-hard F1 fans. And here we are getting live qualifying, live race coverage, pre race shows, and we still bitch like spoiled little brats. BE THANKFULL! CAUSE YOUR ALL DAMN LUCKY! I can't believe you are so picky that you complain about someone who is on for barely 10% of the race coverage and only job is to host the show. Newsflash. VIC AINT AN F1 EXPERT! TSN assigned him to anchor the show not make commentary. And I give Vic 100% credit. Like someothers he could have came on did a half ass job and collected his pay check, but over the years he has very much improved his knowledge of the sport, and has made an effort to develope a passion for it. All this while before he was assigned to F1, he probobly never even heard of the thing. Id like to see you get assigned to a sport you know nothing about like Cricket (for those who dont know about it) and id like to see you comment on a cricket match from a tv screen just like Vic does commentary on qualifying. ANd I seriously doubt you would be keen on learning about the sport like Vic has. Vic comes on my local sports radio station alot and he often talks about F1, and thank god cause none of the other people on that station give a rats ass about it. Once again shows that Vic atleast cares about the sport.
So please be thankfull, and stop your complaining.
So please be thankfull, and stop your complaining.
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 11:55
Vic .. is that you?
Heh .. I like Vic too. But we're Canadian. Whining and complaining is right there next to hockey.
Heh .. I like Vic too. But we're Canadian. Whining and complaining is right there next to hockey.
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 14:27
that's sensible/matured response from Jayway. Maybe this is human nature, we are never satisfied of what we have until we lost it, we don't realize how lucky we are right now.
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 21:53
With the money I pay to get stations like TSN I expect the same quality of knowledge for F1 that they give to other sports. Silly me, expecting good value for my money. I'm such a bad person. I have adjusted my expectations so that I get bad value for my dollar.
It's quite simple - they don't need someone to host in the studio - just get Donaldson on the line the whole time. I bet GD gets sick of Vicky cutting him off to blurt out that a Minardi has started its qualifying run.
It's quite simple - they don't need someone to host in the studio - just get Donaldson on the line the whole time. I bet GD gets sick of Vicky cutting him off to blurt out that a Minardi has started its qualifying run.
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Posted 02 March 2000 - 22:06
Like someothers he could have came on did a half ass job and collected his pay check, but over the years he has very much improved his knowledge of the sport, and has made an effort to develope a passion for it.
I 100% agree with that. I guess we're spoiled because we get to listen to Martin Brundle for 1 3/4 hours every race day and we expect everybody to be at his level!
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 01:31
Damop is right on the money with his response. We are consumers - we pay for TSN - if we are not happy with the product we have three options: 1) Don't say a word and put up with it 2) Complain in the hope of change 3) Quit subscribing.
Given TSN's monoploy in Canada, quitting subscribing equates to not watching F1 any longer since Speedvision is blacked out. So obviously option 3 is not really an option.
Therefore, the only option is to complain. I think most F1 viewers in Canada would rather have M&M for the entire race weekend, rather than Vic and Gerry. TSN will not entertain this one second. Since TSN does not listen, this board becomes a natural alternative and forum for venting since many viewers share the same complaints.
There is nothing wrong with complaining about TSN and Vic - they deserve it.
P.S. The Brier is in Saskatchewan, not BC and qualifying is delayed one hour not three. Not that that makes it any better.
Given TSN's monoploy in Canada, quitting subscribing equates to not watching F1 any longer since Speedvision is blacked out. So obviously option 3 is not really an option.
Therefore, the only option is to complain. I think most F1 viewers in Canada would rather have M&M for the entire race weekend, rather than Vic and Gerry. TSN will not entertain this one second. Since TSN does not listen, this board becomes a natural alternative and forum for venting since many viewers share the same complaints.
There is nothing wrong with complaining about TSN and Vic - they deserve it.
P.S. The Brier is in Saskatchewan, not BC and qualifying is delayed one hour not three. Not that that makes it any better.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 02:55
I hope this year's preview show is better. Every year, they spend half the show playing a race by race highlight package from last year. Then they show 10 minutes of "everyone's" car launch. GD gets two minutes to make a prediction and the show is over!
They should use more of ITV's features. I remember requesting the Murray Walker ride in the two seat McLaren. I thought it would have been a laugh to hear Murray screaming the entire time while Martin took him around Silverstone. Instead they showed some no-name taking another no-name for one lap. Plus it was voiced over by Rauter.
A few years ago, I worked with Rauter when he covered a horse race...He's TSN's everything man, and probably the only one willing to get up early to anchor the races. I fear that unless someone else comes along, we're stuck with him.
They should use more of ITV's features. I remember requesting the Murray Walker ride in the two seat McLaren. I thought it would have been a laugh to hear Murray screaming the entire time while Martin took him around Silverstone. Instead they showed some no-name taking another no-name for one lap. Plus it was voiced over by Rauter.
A few years ago, I worked with Rauter when he covered a horse race...He's TSN's everything man, and probably the only one willing to get up early to anchor the races. I fear that unless someone else comes along, we're stuck with him.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 08:00
Good one Vicster on seeing M&M in the McLaren 2 seater. I chuckled at the vision you suggested ... Murray screaming around the whole track ... reminds me of a Saturday Night Live skit many years ago where they showed a Bobsled run with (was it Belushi & Chase) doing the voice over of them screaming all the way down the hill.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 08:08
Damop, JV1,
I can understand your logic, but I dont understand your complaints. What exactly is it that you hate about Vic? He doesn't make any mistakes with the names, he rarely makes dumb comments, so he sounds like a dushbag once and a while with comments like "why dont they bring that Mac in, and slap some wets on that puppy" LOL, personally I find it funny. Have you watced Brain Williams recently? And I restate, IT IS NOT Vics job to commentate on the race, he is there to anchor the show. And TSN I do not believe has the rights to ITV commentary during qualifying. So its Vic and Gerry, or nothing. Unless you want on of the sportsdesk dolts who make a snide comment about every sport that isn't played on ice.
I can understand your logic, but I dont understand your complaints. What exactly is it that you hate about Vic? He doesn't make any mistakes with the names, he rarely makes dumb comments, so he sounds like a dushbag once and a while with comments like "why dont they bring that Mac in, and slap some wets on that puppy" LOL, personally I find it funny. Have you watced Brain Williams recently? And I restate, IT IS NOT Vics job to commentate on the race, he is there to anchor the show. And TSN I do not believe has the rights to ITV commentary during qualifying. So its Vic and Gerry, or nothing. Unless you want on of the sportsdesk dolts who make a snide comment about every sport that isn't played on ice.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 08:51
Jayway,
Just becasue you like Vic doesn't mean I have to. I am entitled to my own opinions about him whether you agree with them or not. He grates on my nerves.
As far as TSN not having the rights to M&M, that is BS. TSN could easily acquire those rights if they wanted to. Money buys anything if you are willing to pay the price. I have no idea whether on a cost-benefit basis it is cheaper to buy the M&M qualifying show, or to produce your own show with Vic and Gerry. I doubt this is a factor for TSN - My guess is they believe their own F1 preview/qualifying production is:
1) As good or better than M&M
2) Will better attract Canadian advertisers
3) Will be better appreciated by Canadian viewers as it is a "home-grown" production.
In any case, I would prefer not to listen to Vic if I had a choice.
Just becasue you like Vic doesn't mean I have to. I am entitled to my own opinions about him whether you agree with them or not. He grates on my nerves.
As far as TSN not having the rights to M&M, that is BS. TSN could easily acquire those rights if they wanted to. Money buys anything if you are willing to pay the price. I have no idea whether on a cost-benefit basis it is cheaper to buy the M&M qualifying show, or to produce your own show with Vic and Gerry. I doubt this is a factor for TSN - My guess is they believe their own F1 preview/qualifying production is:
1) As good or better than M&M
2) Will better attract Canadian advertisers
3) Will be better appreciated by Canadian viewers as it is a "home-grown" production.
In any case, I would prefer not to listen to Vic if I had a choice.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 08:55
JV 1,
Please! I never said you couldn't have your own opinion, I just wanted to know what you didn't like about Vic. SImple as that. And if you want to know why TSN doesnt do qualifying with M&M, why don't you e-mail TSN and ask?
Please! I never said you couldn't have your own opinion, I just wanted to know what you didn't like about Vic. SImple as that. And if you want to know why TSN doesnt do qualifying with M&M, why don't you e-mail TSN and ask?
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 09:06
Actually, Jayway, I've e-mailed them several times and they have not once responded. As far as disliking Vic here are some of the things I don't like about him:
1) He is TSN's jack of all trades, covering mainly obscure and non-mainstream (by Canadian standards) events.
2) He has a pretentious air about him that irks me.
3) Often I find him smug in his comments and very patronizing to his viewers.
4) He often talks from a position of ignorance and should learn to keep his mouth shut in those situtations.
5) He is very unemotional, much like Mika H. and very much unlike Murray Walker.
About the only thing I will give him credit for is his commentary is mostly unbiased. I don't often hear him favoring one particular driver over another, nor criticizing one more than the other.
PS Perhaps you should try e-mailing them and see if you get a response from them.
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1) He is TSN's jack of all trades, covering mainly obscure and non-mainstream (by Canadian standards) events.
2) He has a pretentious air about him that irks me.
3) Often I find him smug in his comments and very patronizing to his viewers.
4) He often talks from a position of ignorance and should learn to keep his mouth shut in those situtations.
5) He is very unemotional, much like Mika H. and very much unlike Murray Walker.
About the only thing I will give him credit for is his commentary is mostly unbiased. I don't often hear him favoring one particular driver over another, nor criticizing one more than the other.
PS Perhaps you should try e-mailing them and see if you get a response from them.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 09:19
Jv 1,
About #1, I don't see what the problem is there. TSN assigns him to these things.
I agree with #4, sometimes he doesn't shutup.
About #1, I don't see what the problem is there. TSN assigns him to these things.
I agree with #4, sometimes he doesn't shutup.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 11:45
JV1, I think you've hit the nail on the head with:
2) Will better attract Canadian advertisers
3) Will be better appreciated by Canadian viewers as it is a "home-grown" production.
Especially 3). I'm the first to admit I don't know anything about the TV business, but I'd be willing to bet that the people who make the decisions about how to do the qualifying show don't realize that Murray and Martin are so popular, and that most Canadians would rather hear an experienced British announcer duo. Much like when the World Cup came to the U.S. Many of the networks that I watched games on had an American as the play-by-play guy (calling it like an NFL game!) and then a European as the colour man. When in reality most of us would have much preffered to just have the broadcasts that were being beamed by satellite to Europe here in N.A. so we could watch those.
So I'd think it's not that they can't afford M&M for the qualifying show, it's the other way around - they can't afford to do their own broadcasts for the races, otherwise they would.
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2) Will better attract Canadian advertisers
3) Will be better appreciated by Canadian viewers as it is a "home-grown" production.
Especially 3). I'm the first to admit I don't know anything about the TV business, but I'd be willing to bet that the people who make the decisions about how to do the qualifying show don't realize that Murray and Martin are so popular, and that most Canadians would rather hear an experienced British announcer duo. Much like when the World Cup came to the U.S. Many of the networks that I watched games on had an American as the play-by-play guy (calling it like an NFL game!) and then a European as the colour man. When in reality most of us would have much preffered to just have the broadcasts that were being beamed by satellite to Europe here in N.A. so we could watch those.
So I'd think it's not that they can't afford M&M for the qualifying show, it's the other way around - they can't afford to do their own broadcasts for the races, otherwise they would.
Happy
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 14:04
Like I mentioned before. I worked with Vic at a horse race TSN was covering. He was rather "aloof and egotistical". I must admit that he has improved since he started covering F1. I've been taping and collecting every race for the past 6 years, so I can go back and see a difference. My suggestion is that TSN just pick up some of the ITV special segments, like Murray in the McLaren. No one does F1 like Murray (50 years in the biz) and I can't think what it would be like without him. Picture Speedvision's coverage with Sam Posey and Derek Daley. Not a nice image.
I will give credit to TSN for the effort they're making. Remember to most sports fans in Canada it's hockey, hockey and more hockey.
I will give credit to TSN for the effort they're making. Remember to most sports fans in Canada it's hockey, hockey and more hockey.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 21:23
Vic....talks.....like Stevie....from.....Malcolm...in...the Middle. And for no apparent reason too. I find that he grates on me tremendously, and that he is extremely rude to Donaldson, who has 1,000 times the knowledge and at least 10 times the charisma. And it looks like with one exception most people here could do without him too.
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 22:56
Okay, okay, okay, already!! Canadians quit yer bitchin' about TSN coverage of F1, it could be worse, MUCH WORSE! IT COULD BE THE CBC DOING THE COVERAGE!!! Remember Brian Williams F1 coverage of the Canadian Grand Prix??!!
"And there's where Jacques Villeneuve SMACKED the wall.... and if you missed it earlier, there is where Villeneuve smacked the wall... THAT's the spot where Jacques Villeneuve, son of the late Gilles Villeneuve, Smacked the wall... as he comes by the spot where, earlier in the race Jacques Villeneuve SMACKED the wall..." SHUT UP ALREADY BRIAN
and go back to covering figure skating, it's more your speed!!
I, for one, was SO thankful when TSN took over the Canadian rights to the Canadian GP last year. And they did an EXCELLENT job with LIVE COVERAGE THURSDAY PRACTICE, FRIDAY PRACTICE, SATURDAY PRACTICE & QUALIFYING AND SUNDAY'S RACE!!! Who else gets coverage like that???!
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"And there's where Jacques Villeneuve SMACKED the wall.... and if you missed it earlier, there is where Villeneuve smacked the wall... THAT's the spot where Jacques Villeneuve, son of the late Gilles Villeneuve, Smacked the wall... as he comes by the spot where, earlier in the race Jacques Villeneuve SMACKED the wall..." SHUT UP ALREADY BRIAN
and go back to covering figure skating, it's more your speed!!I, for one, was SO thankful when TSN took over the Canadian rights to the Canadian GP last year. And they did an EXCELLENT job with LIVE COVERAGE THURSDAY PRACTICE, FRIDAY PRACTICE, SATURDAY PRACTICE & QUALIFYING AND SUNDAY'S RACE!!! Who else gets coverage like that???!
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Posted 03 March 2000 - 23:36
For the record - although I really don't like Vic Rauter, I met him at the airport in Philly. He was with his wife and we chatted for awhile, being on the same flight. He was a pretty good guy. Unassuming, a touch preppy, but he had a passion for motorsports that surprised me. I still find him unnerving, but I have to respect his passion, which was clearly evident.
And, excellent point regarding CBC, Brian Williams made you want to hunt the guy down and...
And, excellent point regarding CBC, Brian Williams made you want to hunt the guy down and...
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 00:12
Andy, you're right, it could be much worse ... But until we reach perfection, we'll be looking for improvements!
BTW, I don't think there was a Thursday practice at any GP since the first Australian GP at Melbourne in 96 ... and every year at Monaco, of course.
And I agree with you guys, they surely didn't name the Williams team after Brian! Off topic: what a duo CBC has come up with for the broadcast of their two CART races: Brian "the son of a great racing name" Williams and Bobby "where the heck am I" Unser!
BTW, I don't think there was a Thursday practice at any GP since the first Australian GP at Melbourne in 96 ... and every year at Monaco, of course.
And I agree with you guys, they surely didn't name the Williams team after Brian! Off topic: what a duo CBC has come up with for the broadcast of their two CART races: Brian "the son of a great racing name" Williams and Bobby "where the heck am I" Unser!
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 00:25
For the record, I believe that Bernie/FIA require that every country broadcasting the race have at least one person broadcasting from trackside.
As for Vic, I've ripped his flesh off in an adjacent thread, so I won't repeat myself.
I think that the "count your lucky stars" logic expressed in some posts above is ludicrous. No amount of air freshener will change the fact that **** stinks, and the mindset that we should smile because there's nothing else is the reason why we have guys like Mike Harris running Ontario.
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As for Vic, I've ripped his flesh off in an adjacent thread, so I won't repeat myself.
I think that the "count your lucky stars" logic expressed in some posts above is ludicrous. No amount of air freshener will change the fact that **** stinks, and the mindset that we should smile because there's nothing else is the reason why we have guys like Mike Harris running Ontario.
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 01:12
Free practice? THATS A LIE!
Free practice is not real, its a myth made up by ancient race fans to fill the time before Saturday qualifying. Ok, there has been evidence of free practices usch as text records of classifications, but no one has ever seen these so called practices! And I only believe in what I see!
Free practice is not real, its a myth made up by ancient race fans to fill the time before Saturday qualifying. Ok, there has been evidence of free practices usch as text records of classifications, but no one has ever seen these so called practices! And I only believe in what I see!
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 01:33
Pa,
Mike Harris is a god among men, who is tired of letting people who want something for nothing get everything they want.
Mike Harris is a god among men, who is tired of letting people who want something for nothing get everything they want.
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 01:47
Originally posted by Loz:
Mike Harris is a god among men
This is probably debatable ... but please, not here!
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 01:56
There is only one word that matters to Mike Harris, and that is "Toronto".
Brian Williams is absolutley terrible. His coverage sucks. He couldn't even cover a can of spam...
Brian Williams is absolutley terrible. His coverage sucks. He couldn't even cover a can of spam...
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 03:54
Vic does his best but I wish he would stick to his beloved curling. Having said that I don't think there are any Canadian sportscasters who could do much better. He's certainly better than Brian Williams. I'm pretty sure that the reason TSN hosts it's own intro show and hosts there own qualifying is because of Canadian content rules. They probably get some sort of tax break or Canadian production credits.
Having spent several years in Europe watching F1 coverage I have to say I prefer the M&M intro show as well as seeing free practice which does get covered over there. During free practice the coverage usually included a lot of the rumours that were floating around the pitlane as well as Martin's features about how to drive a racecar. Martin Brundle is respected among the paddock and often walked the grid and talked candidly to the drivers and team principals. I would love to have seen Martin drive Murray around in the 2 seater MacLaren. I remember several years ago one of the teams ( I think it was Tyrell ) gave Murray the chance to drive a GP car " in anger " as Murray would put it. They prepped him in the pits and strapped him in the car only for Murray to stall it in the pitlane. It was priceless and I'm sure it elevated Murray's respect for the drivers from that day forward.
Europe also have Sky sports which have John Watson doing very educated coverage.
One positive thing I can say about TSN is that I appreciated the way they covered the CDN GP last year with the race running in the corner of the screen during commercials. This is similar to the way they covered the World Cup. I would love it if they could make this the norm. I also think this is a better advertising tactic as people are seeing your brand while watching something they enjoy instead of viewing your product with disdain for preventing them from seeing all the action.
Having spent several years in Europe watching F1 coverage I have to say I prefer the M&M intro show as well as seeing free practice which does get covered over there. During free practice the coverage usually included a lot of the rumours that were floating around the pitlane as well as Martin's features about how to drive a racecar. Martin Brundle is respected among the paddock and often walked the grid and talked candidly to the drivers and team principals. I would love to have seen Martin drive Murray around in the 2 seater MacLaren. I remember several years ago one of the teams ( I think it was Tyrell ) gave Murray the chance to drive a GP car " in anger " as Murray would put it. They prepped him in the pits and strapped him in the car only for Murray to stall it in the pitlane. It was priceless and I'm sure it elevated Murray's respect for the drivers from that day forward.
Europe also have Sky sports which have John Watson doing very educated coverage.
One positive thing I can say about TSN is that I appreciated the way they covered the CDN GP last year with the race running in the corner of the screen during commercials. This is similar to the way they covered the World Cup. I would love it if they could make this the norm. I also think this is a better advertising tactic as people are seeing your brand while watching something they enjoy instead of viewing your product with disdain for preventing them from seeing all the action.
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Posted 04 March 2000 - 04:34
F1Nut - you are probably correct. They probably do it because of all those lame CRTC rules about Canadian content that prevent Canadian TV from being truly good. I despise the CRTC. And VR is definitely better than WIlliams, although a rotting corpse would be better than Williams. He is by far the worst motorsports commentator I have ever seen. When he and no-brain-Booby get together to commentate the Molson Indys it's a big BS-fest.
The TSN idea for showing the race during commercials is a great idea. It kept me from surfing to other channels like Headline Sports during commericals - it kept me from missing the commercials, which otherwise would have certainly happened.
The TSN idea for showing the race during commercials is a great idea. It kept me from surfing to other channels like Headline Sports during commericals - it kept me from missing the commercials, which otherwise would have certainly happened.
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Williams
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Posted 05 March 2000 - 10:32
I don't know what everyone is bitching about. Some fans get tape delayed races all the time, and certainly no qualifying. Some fans have to have tapes of the races MAILED to them. So stop whining already. Canadian coverage is just fine.
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JV 1
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Posted 05 March 2000 - 17:55
Williams, did you even read this thread or are you just spouting off your reply? Read the WHOLE ****ing thread, than perhaps you can come up with a civilized respone!
Obviously I believe you have completely missed the point, so let me reiterate - TSN DOES NOT LIVE UP TO CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS OF CERTAIN VIEWERS, THEREFORE THEY ARE EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO COMPLAIN IN THE BEST AVAILABLE FORMAT; THE COMPLAINERS, RIGHTFULLY, ARE BASING THEIR COMPLAINT ON THE PRODUCT THEY ARE RECEIVING, NOT ON THE PRODUCT RECEIVED (OR NOT RECEIVED) BY VIEWERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES!
Moron.
When will intelligence return?
Obviously I believe you have completely missed the point, so let me reiterate - TSN DOES NOT LIVE UP TO CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS OF CERTAIN VIEWERS, THEREFORE THEY ARE EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO COMPLAIN IN THE BEST AVAILABLE FORMAT; THE COMPLAINERS, RIGHTFULLY, ARE BASING THEIR COMPLAINT ON THE PRODUCT THEY ARE RECEIVING, NOT ON THE PRODUCT RECEIVED (OR NOT RECEIVED) BY VIEWERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES!
Moron.
When will intelligence return?
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130R
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Posted 05 March 2000 - 23:15
There is no reason to call anyone a moron. Grow up!
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JayWay
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Posted 06 March 2000 - 11:03
JV 1,
Now I see why you are so snobbish in your standards, you have nothing to compare it to, or you jsut refuse to compare it to other coverage. Your complaints just arn't strong. You only have to hear Vic from a half hour before the race, and even during that time TSN has provided us with one of the most knowledgable F1 journalists/autohors around in Gerry Donaldson. It's Gerry's job to talk F1, not VIcs, Vics is to anchor the show. Without Vic Gerry wouldn't know what to do on air. And if your TSN, who else do you put on? TSN IS NOT Speedvision, they don't have a roster packed full of F1 experts. Id say they surpassed what the norm would be by providing us with Donaldson. Vic is the best they have, and the fact is theres no major problem with him. When VIc starts mispronouncing driver names, and showing sickining bias, then you can start complaining.
Now I see why you are so snobbish in your standards, you have nothing to compare it to, or you jsut refuse to compare it to other coverage. Your complaints just arn't strong. You only have to hear Vic from a half hour before the race, and even during that time TSN has provided us with one of the most knowledgable F1 journalists/autohors around in Gerry Donaldson. It's Gerry's job to talk F1, not VIcs, Vics is to anchor the show. Without Vic Gerry wouldn't know what to do on air. And if your TSN, who else do you put on? TSN IS NOT Speedvision, they don't have a roster packed full of F1 experts. Id say they surpassed what the norm would be by providing us with Donaldson. Vic is the best they have, and the fact is theres no major problem with him. When VIc starts mispronouncing driver names, and showing sickining bias, then you can start complaining.
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Williams
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Posted 06 March 2000 - 08:46
Well let's see, JV 1
Damop had a good point, actually, they don't even need GD, they can just use the British coverage all weekend.
But your points...
1) He is TSN's jack of all trades, covering mainly obscure and non-mainstream (by Canadian standards) events.
So what ? That's why they brought Gerald Donaldson in. Besides, if you think F1, which is a very minor sport in Canada, is going to get a specialty team for it's coverage, you are living in lala land. Your point is not a specific nor constructive complaint about the F1 coverage, it is just a statement of your low opinion of Vic Rauter.
2) He has a pretentious air about him that irks me.
3) Often I find him smug in his comments and very patronizing to his viewers.
Yet more unconstructive opinion.
4) He often talks from a position of ignorance and should learn to keep his mouth shut in those situtations.
Let's hear an example. Oh, and let's hear about how perfect Murray is, while you are at it
5) He is very unemotional, much like Mika H. and very much unlike Murray Walker.
He presents information that is put together by the time and effort of many employees of TSN, which I for one am quite happy and interested in seeing, and you are complaining that the one guy presenting it does not yell and scream enough. Sheesh.
About the only thing I will give him credit for is his commentary is mostly unbiased. I don't often hear him favoring one particular driver over another, nor criticizing one more than the other.
so there you go, Vic Rauter is not the devil incarnent
If this is the sort of garbage you have been emailing TSN about, no wonder you are not getting any response. I hope you are at least not using the "M" word in your correspondences with them.
Damop had a good point, actually, they don't even need GD, they can just use the British coverage all weekend.
But your points...
1) He is TSN's jack of all trades, covering mainly obscure and non-mainstream (by Canadian standards) events.
So what ? That's why they brought Gerald Donaldson in. Besides, if you think F1, which is a very minor sport in Canada, is going to get a specialty team for it's coverage, you are living in lala land. Your point is not a specific nor constructive complaint about the F1 coverage, it is just a statement of your low opinion of Vic Rauter.
2) He has a pretentious air about him that irks me.
3) Often I find him smug in his comments and very patronizing to his viewers.
Yet more unconstructive opinion.
4) He often talks from a position of ignorance and should learn to keep his mouth shut in those situtations.
Let's hear an example. Oh, and let's hear about how perfect Murray is, while you are at it
5) He is very unemotional, much like Mika H. and very much unlike Murray Walker.
He presents information that is put together by the time and effort of many employees of TSN, which I for one am quite happy and interested in seeing, and you are complaining that the one guy presenting it does not yell and scream enough. Sheesh.
About the only thing I will give him credit for is his commentary is mostly unbiased. I don't often hear him favoring one particular driver over another, nor criticizing one more than the other.
so there you go, Vic Rauter is not the devil incarnent
If this is the sort of garbage you have been emailing TSN about, no wonder you are not getting any response. I hope you are at least not using the "M" word in your correspondences with them.
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 01:24
Nevermind you guys!! Saturday nite is going to rock. We've got Toronto @ Ottawa, and the Australian GP!! I can't freaking wait!!!!
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 02:19
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I guess I'll just have to watch qualifying LIVE on RDS!!! The value of bilingualism. Also for some sweet reason, the TSN and RDS feeds are not synchronized, so you can watch 95% of the race commercial free! Enjoy curling T dot losers!
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 02:26
I, for one, don't really like Vic's commentary. If TSN is to provide coverage for F1, they should do it properly. The coverage had improved last year, and Donaldson is knowledgable. But if Vic is only supposed to host the show, and let the expert do the talking, then he should sit there and listen to Donaldson, until he has something more constructive to offer.
I would guess that most people on this board would jump at the chance of providing commentary to TSN in Vic's place. It would be a nice part time job. TSN should employ on contract a journalist that can compliment Donaldson's knowledge, not interupt him with nonsense. Video feed on location of the GP would be nice too. What about interviews with the drivers? Donaldson talks to them, but we only hear anecdotes.
TSN does need to improve the coverage, or subcontract it to people who are more capable of delivering an appropriate production.
I would guess that most people on this board would jump at the chance of providing commentary to TSN in Vic's place. It would be a nice part time job. TSN should employ on contract a journalist that can compliment Donaldson's knowledge, not interupt him with nonsense. Video feed on location of the GP would be nice too. What about interviews with the drivers? Donaldson talks to them, but we only hear anecdotes.
TSN does need to improve the coverage, or subcontract it to people who are more capable of delivering an appropriate production.
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130R
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 02:27
Ahhh, thats the value of bilingualism we've been searching for !! Oui, oui ;)
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JV 1
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 02:38
Williams, I must apologize for my earlier comments - I'd had a few pops that night and overreacted.
Look, the bottom line is I don't like TSN's coverage. I don't care whether or not you agree with my reasons - that's how I feel.
The last time I checked, free speech was still cherished in this country, particularly by consumers.
I don't like the monopoly TSN has and I don't like the coverage they produce. As a consumer, I've sent them inquiries to which they have not responded thus adding more to my frustration and dismay.
Now would I rather they not broadcast F1? Of course not! I can tolerate Vic only for the sport.
Look, the bottom line is I don't like TSN's coverage. I don't care whether or not you agree with my reasons - that's how I feel.
The last time I checked, free speech was still cherished in this country, particularly by consumers.
I don't like the monopoly TSN has and I don't like the coverage they produce. As a consumer, I've sent them inquiries to which they have not responded thus adding more to my frustration and dismay.
Now would I rather they not broadcast F1? Of course not! I can tolerate Vic only for the sport.
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 05:05
John,
Its so true! Seems like every broadcast starts with
"Well Vic I talked with Jacques earlier today.."
Its so true! Seems like every broadcast starts with
"Well Vic I talked with Jacques earlier today.."
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Williams
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 09:55
JV 1
And I apologize for speaking rather harshly in my original post. I guess I am just so grateful to have any F1 coverage at all that I wometimes worry about the plug getting pulled altogether. Sure TSN coverage needs improvements and yes they are an arrogant monopoly, but it's the only game in town.
And I apologize for speaking rather harshly in my original post. I guess I am just so grateful to have any F1 coverage at all that I wometimes worry about the plug getting pulled altogether. Sure TSN coverage needs improvements and yes they are an arrogant monopoly, but it's the only game in town.
