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[Dick_Dastardly]

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I seem to remember Lewis mentioning this as a gift in an interview last year if he won the WDC in the next couple of years. I wonder what Ron what offered Alonso? That car must be worth at least a cool couple of mill......

[SevenTwoSeven]

this is in the recent issue of the bishless F1 racing, which has yet another editor in chief in charge i notice.

Apparently LH can have it if he "wins this years WDC and next years". Theres only 5 McLaren F1 LM's in existence, it says, and the GTR is worth about 2 million, the LM about 4 million, it states, ironically.

It 'only' does 225mph. If i was earning an estimated 90million over 4-5 years, id be tempted by the bugatti veyron or that porsche with zillions of bhp, in all honesty. Its nice though.

[Ross Stonefeld]

If I were driving a race winning Grand Prix car, I'd drive a Ford Focus to work. Why even bother trying to get a hardon driving down the motorway when you get to do the real thing as your day job? A Formula Ford will lap quicker than a supercar.

[as65p]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly
http://img81.imagesh...renf1lm2ga0.jpg

I seem to remember Lewis mentioning this as a gift in an interview last year if he won the WDC in the next couple of years. I wonder what Ron what offered Alonso? That car must be worth at least a cool couple of mill......

Brilliant find. Now I'm sure thats in fact the only reason Alonso left: because Ron didn't promise him anything for hypothetical phantasy WDC's. How cruel.

[Dick_Dastardly]

Originally posted by SevenTwoSeven
this is in the recent issue of the bishless F1 racing, which has yet another editor in chief in charge i notice.

Apparently LH can have it if he "wins this years WDC and next years". Theres only 5 McLaren F1 LM's in existence, it says, and the GTR is worth about 2 million, the LM about 4 million, it states, ironically.

It 'only' does 225mph. If i was earning an estimated 90million over 4-5 years, id be tempted by the bugatti veyron or that porsche with zillions of bhp, in all honesty. Its nice though.

Which Porsche is that? The fastest production Porsche is the Carrera GT if I'm not mistaken which is practically even in performance to the Mclaren Mercedes SLR. Nah, I'll stick with my VW Golf By the way, check out the Ariel Atom 500 V8 (1000bhp/tonne)

[SevenTwoSeven]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly


Which Porsche is that? The fastest production Porsche is the Carrera GT if I'm not mistaken which is practically even in performance to the Mclaren Mercedes SLR. Nah, I'll stick with my VW Golf By the way, check out the Ariel Atom 500 V8 (1000bhp/tonne)

I read about it a few days ago. Its called the '9ff GT9' and appears to be somthing not officaly porsche but built by some guy called 'Jan Fatthauer' although it is a production car,only 20 will be built. Loosely based on the GT1 race car chassis.

the blurb says:-"Fatthauer has a long established reputation tuning Porsche 911s up to 1000bhp, but this is the first purpose-built car and weighs a lot less at 1385kg. So 2.5s to 60mph is a legacy of the tyres' grip, not the potential of the car, and the fact that a rear-wheel drive machine hits 300kph (186.41mph) in 17.6s, 0.6s faster than the Bugatti Veyron"

A snip at 350k.

ironically it adds:-"This should be the fastest car in the world and will eclipse the SSC Aero's record of 256mph as soon as Jan Fatthauer can find a dry day at the right circuit - he's already hit 250mph late at night on the Autobahn after all."

And thats from msn car reviews thing, so not that in depth.

[potmotr]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
A Formula Ford will lap quicker than a supercar.

Are you sure? Can I have an example please? I would have thought the outright speed of the McLaren F1 GTR LM would nail a Formula Ford on most tracks.

[skinnylizard]

considering what Alonso was allegedly paid would he give a toss..

[Actuary]

Originally posted by potmotr


Are you sure? Can I have an example please? I would have thought the outright speed of the McLaren F1 GTR LM would nail a Formula Ford on most tracks.

Fifth Gear did a comparison between a Ford GT and Formula Ford. In a drag race they were comparable. I imagine Ford GT would massacre it in a 2 mile race. Around a track Formula Ford was a bit quicker.
McLaren F1 GTR would really kill the Formula Ford both in straight line and around a track. Imagine the Formula Ford at Le mans. It doesn't have the top end to keep up with F1 in the straights.

[Mila]

Originally posted by
considering what Alonso was allegedly paid would he give a toss..

sentiments he appears to have expressed succinctly . . .

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(thanks, skinnylizard, I've been saving that one.)

[MichaelPM]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
If I were driving a race winning Grand Prix car, I'd drive a Ford Focus to work. Why even bother trying to get a hardon driving down the motorway when you get to do the real thing as your day job? A Formula Ford will lap quicker than a supercar.

[LB]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
If I were driving a race winning Grand Prix car, I'd drive a Ford Focus to work. Why even bother trying to get a hardon driving down the motorway when you get to do the real thing as your day job? A Formula Ford will lap quicker than a supercar.

Depends on the track actually.

[shaggy]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
If I were driving a race winning Grand Prix car, I'd drive a Ford Focus to work. Why even bother trying to get a hardon driving down the motorway when you get to do the real thing as your day job? A Formula Ford will lap quicker than a supercar.

YES !
I'd drive a Ford to the market ... actually, I do.
Long live Ford

Although I have no idea what you mean by a Formula Ford lapping quicker than a supercar ... would it really do it ?

shaggy

[Actuary]

Originally posted by shaggy

Although I have no idea what you mean by a Formula Ford lapping quicker than a supercar ... would it really do it ?

shaggy

In proper GP tracks like Monza, Spa, Turkey etc, the Formula Ford would be completely obliterated. The only track it stands a chance is on slow tight kart tracks.

[Ross Stonefeld]

You'd be surprised I reckon, they're still production cars.

[Actuary]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
You'd be surprised I reckon, they're still production cars.

Formula Ford isn't very powerful. In a straight line it is as fast as a Ford GT over a quarter mile. Sure it gets up to its top speed very quick, but it has a relatively low top speed. Once it reaches 130+ mph, the McLaren will just pull away. The level of downforce on the Formula Ford isn't spectacular either. The McLaren in full race trim will probably produce much more downforce. Take it to any GP track and it will be humiliation for the Formula Ford. (apart from the possible exception of Monaco)

[CWeil]

The people who say that are the people who've never raced a formula car nor never driven a production car like the McLaren.

I'm with Ross on this one 10 times over. There are only a few tracks where top speed would come into play.

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by Actuary


Formula Ford isn't very powerful. In a straight line it is as fast as a Ford GT over a quarter mile. Sure it gets up to its top speed very quick, but it has a relatively low top speed. Once it reaches 130+ mph, the McLaren will just pull away. The level of downforce on the Formula Ford isn't spectacular either. The McLaren in full race trim will probably produce much more downforce. Take it to any GP track and it will be humiliation for the Formula Ford. (apart from the possible exception of Monaco)

You'd need a really tall top gear to get a FF to go 130mph. My guess would be they max out at 110 or 115 with reasonable/useable gearing.

My F2000 does 130 - 140 at the end of the long straits at Roebling and VIR. Depends on drafting and sucessful launch out of previous turn.

CC

[Henri Greuter]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly
http://img81.imagesh...renf1lm2ga0.jpg

I seem to remember Lewis mentioning this as a gift in an interview last year if he won the WDC in the next couple of years. I wonder what Ron what offered Alonso? That car must be worth at least a cool couple of mill......

If built to celebrate the Le Mans '95 victory, then it must be at least 10 years old.
And only 5 built.
And still one was available for Lewis to obtain?

Had there been no takers for it then?
If so, then that car isn't worth the millions if you couldn't get rid of it in all these years.
And not so much of a highly desirable collectable car as is suggested to be.

Unless of course Ron had 5 of them built and put aside two or three to keep it exclusive.

For certain an inprssive car, no doubt about it. But if there were only 5 built and after 10 yers Lewis could still be given (!) one....


henri

[Suntrek]

Has nothing to do with Alonso.

http://thesun.co.uk/...ticle964102.ece

The question is rather: what will Heikki get?

At least for constructors Ron will need his help as well.... :

[SevenTwoSeven]

The mclaren F1 LM in question resides in Mclarens HQ. Where the other 4 are ive no idea.

[Dick_Dastardly]

Originally posted by Henri Greuter



If built to celebrate the Le Mans '95 victory, then it must be at least 10 years old.
And only 5 built.
And still one was available for Lewis to obtain?

Had there been no takers for it then?
If so, then that car isn't worth the millions if you couldn't get rid of it in all these years.
And not so much of a highly desirable collectable car as is suggested to be.

Unless of course Ron had 5 of them built and put aside two or three to keep it exclusive.

For certain an inprssive car, no doubt about it. But if there were only 5 built and after 10 yers Lewis could still be given (!) one....


henri

The car in question I think is on display at Mclaren´s headquarters. And yes, it is an exceedingly rare beast:

http://www.conceptca...aren_F1_LM.aspx

[Ross Stonefeld]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck


You'd need a really tall top gear to get a FF to go 130mph. My guess would be they max out at 110 or 115 with reasonable/useable gearing.

My F2000 does 130 - 140 at the end of the long straits at Roebling and VIR. Depends on drafting and sucessful launch out of previous turn.

CC

Formula Ford's have very very low drag numbers. I tested one on the Silverstone infield and in the damp with a rubbish driver I was hitting 112 just in third

[Mika Mika]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
If I were driving a race winning Grand Prix car, I'd drive a Ford Focus to work. Why even bother trying to get a hardon driving down the motorway when you get to do the real thing as your day job? A Formula Ford will lap quicker than a supercar.

Id drive a normal car too... or get somone else to drive me places... I bet when Fernando Alonso is in Oxford if he decides to go for a drive and pulls up at the lights and some chav see's him they try and race him EVERY time...

I'd rather have a normal road car and a track car...

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld


Formula Ford's have very very low drag numbers. I tested one on the Silverstone infield and in the damp with a rubbish driver I was hitting 112 just in third

True, the FF is quite slippery due to the lack of wings....I'm basing my observation on the closing rates I've experianced on track between a 2L car and the 1.6L Kent. If I'm not mistaken the UK FF series uses a 1.8L Zetec which will put out a lot more power than a 1.6L Kent that is used in North America

With regard to your experiance it must have been a KILLLER engine

CC

[Arion]

I remember LH said that's his dream car in an interview. I think it's just PR talk, Alonso said the SLR was "simply beautiful"

[Spunout]

Originally posted by Actuary


Fifth Gear did a comparison between a Ford GT and Formula Ford. In a drag race they were comparable. I imagine Ford GT would massacre it in a 2 mile race. Around a track Formula Ford was a bit quicker.

I saw this one. On a track FFord drove circles around Ford GT.

[SevenTwoSeven]

Originally posted by Arion
I remember LH said that's his dream car in an interview. I think it's just PR talk, Alonso said the SLR was "simply beautiful"

Wonder if hes still got that SLR? Didnt they gave him a fancy one, SLR AMG turbo GLX or somthing?;)

Guess now hes saddled with one of those Meganes with the chequers on it. Although thats not a bad thing, i spoke to a bloke who owned one and he reckoned it was 'like sh*t off a stick'

[Suntrek]

No matter what Alonso didn't - did get.

I'd still like to get an answer to why Lewis gets the the whole kingdom as well as the princess if he wins, while Heikki gests NADA.

Anyone????

[Imperial]

Originally posted by Henri Greuter



If built to celebrate the Le Mans '95 victory, then it must be at least 10 years old.
And only 5 built.
And still one was available for Lewis to obtain?

Had there been no takers for it then?
If so, then that car isn't worth the millions if you couldn't get rid of it in all these years.
And not so much of a highly desirable collectable car as is suggested to be.

Unless of course Ron had 5 of them built and put aside two or three to keep it exclusive.

For certain an inprssive car, no doubt about it. But if there were only 5 built and after 10 yers Lewis could still be given (!) one....


henri

I don't want to sound cheeky mate and I'm trying to word this as best I can so as not to offend you, but seriously do you not understand the concept of rarity? It applies to anything, not just cars. The rarer something is the more sought after it is, the more people will pay for it. That's why a Ferrari costs so much. That's why a John Lennon autograph costs so much.

And to answer your question. Only five were made, which as you correctly said was to celebrate a Le Mans victory. They clearly weren't made to be sold in Mercedes showrooms on the high street. What do you mean did Ron keep a few to maintain it's exclusivity? They only made five! How exclusive do you want?

One of them has been with Mclaren in their old and their current buildings. That's the one on offer to Lewis.

It's not a matter of Mclaren not being able to get rid of it. It's never been for sale.

[Imperial]

Originally posted by Suntrek


No matter what Alonso didn't - did get.

I'd still like to get an answer to why Lewis gets the the whole kingdom as well as the princess if he wins, while Heikki gests NADA.

Anyone????

Because Lewis has been basically a Mclaren employee for the same amount of time as that car has existed, while Heikki has just lucked into one of the best seats in the house?

[SlateGray]

Originally posted by Imperial


Because Lewis has been basically a Mclaren employee for the same amount of time as that car has existed, while Heikki has just lucked into one of the best seats in the house?

And that ladies and gentlemen is a shining example of Mclaren’s policy of driver equality in a nut shell.

“The longer you have been with the team the more equal you become”

or

"The more Ron likes you the more equal you become"

[Ross Stonefeld]

or

"Ron how can I get this special edition McLaren F1?"
"win a couple championships and we can talk about it"

[HSJ]

It doesn't matter. If only one of the drivers is being offered something like that for winning the WDC but the other not, then you can just forget about any equal policy between the drivers, this would be a dead giveaway that LH is favored in the team. If so, he would be the first driver that has been favored like this - and not because of performance (think Senna for example), but because of... other reasons.

[Fat Freddy's Cat]

Originally posted by Actuary


Formula Ford isn't very powerful. In a straight line it is as fast as a Ford GT over a quarter mile. Sure it gets up to its top speed very quick, but it has a relatively low top speed. Once it reaches 130+ mph, the McLaren will just pull away. The level of downforce on the Formula Ford isn't spectacular either. The McLaren in full race trim will probably produce much more downforce. Take it to any GP track and it will be humiliation for the Formula Ford. (apart from the possible exception of Monaco)

Nick Tandy's pole position on the Brands GP circuit last year was 1m30.546

The Rollcentre Mosler MT900 of Kevin Riley and Ian Flux did a 1m30.435 lap in testing.

Maybe the McLaren is a little quicker, but I'm not so sure about humiliation.

[Suntrek]

Originally posted by Imperial


Because Lewis has been basically a Mclaren employee for the same amount of time as that car has existed, while Heikki has just lucked into one of the best seats in the house?

Thanks for trying, but I think it's more because Lewis is Ron's pet and he'd promise eternal bliss or whatever it takes to make dear Lewis a WDC.

And I also find it a bit surprising that this thread is so short, where are the usual Alonso-bashers/McLaren lovers?

Still, I'd very much like an answer to my question:

What will Heikki get?

(and how unloved will he feel?)

[shaggy]

I cannot afford any of the 3 cars, so I'll continue driving my Ford Probe GT.
Although, even though it has a little over 200k miles and it has given me no problems of any kind, I know that I must start thinking of looking for a new car ... the new blue Mustang GT convertible is it !

shaggy

[SevenTwoSeven]

Originally posted by Suntrek




Still, I'd very much like an answer to my question:

What will Heikki get?

(and how unloved will he feel?)

We dont know


theres been no storys in F1 racing or anywhere else so we cant answer this

[Suntrek]

Originally posted by SevenTwoSeven



We dont know


theres been no storys in F1 racing or anywhere else so we cant answer this

True.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Melbourne Park]

Originally posted by HSJ
It doesn't matter. If only one of the drivers is being offered something like that for winning the WDC but the other not, then you can just forget about any equal policy between the drivers, this would be a dead giveaway that LH is favored in the team. If so, he would be the first driver that has been favored like this - and not because of performance (think Senna for example), but because of... other reasons.

Kova would get it too if he won two championships. So too would have KR. But FA didn't despite winning two already. Has KR been given his race car from last year? Ferrari does sell their F1 cars ...

They built 100 F1 McLarens, inside that were some different versions. I like the idea of Supercar with room for three people. And the F1 had no problems with right hand drive versions, which I also like. No doubt Ferrari could do the same. The Enzo from Ferrari was only 500 cars - or was it 100 also?

[reason]

Maybe Heikki hasn´t asked for anything.......??

[undersquare]

Originally posted by Suntrek




Thanks for trying, but I think it's more because Lewis is Ron's pet and he'd promise eternal bliss or whatever it takes to make dear Lewis a WDC.

And I also find it a bit surprising that this thread is so short, where are the usual Alonso-bashers/McLaren lovers?

Still, I'd very much like an answer to my question:

What will Heikki get?

(and how unloved will he feel?)

Heikki is building his own relationship with the team, very positively. I'm sure he doesn't expect to start off with the same relationship that Lewis has, how could he? But as far as we know he has the same opportunity, that's what he'll care about.

[Suntrek]

Originally posted by undersquare


Heikki is building his own relationship with the team, very positively. I'm sure he doesn't expect to start off with the same relationship that Lewis has, how could he? But as far as we know he has the same opportunity, that's what he'll care about.

If he has the same opportunity - how come Ron hasn't promised him the same car if he wins the WDC?

[undersquare]

Originally posted by Suntrek


If he has the same opportunity - how come Ron hasn't promised him the same car if he wins the WDC?

It's a reward or a present, not an opportunity. If Heikki gets an equal shot at strategy that's all that will matter to him.

[Pilla]

Why does Lewis get paid more than Hekki, why did Alonso get paid more that Lewis. Surely this shows unfair treatment.

[big x]

Originally posted by Suntrek


No matter what Alonso didn't - did get.

I'd still like to get an answer to why Lewis gets the the whole kingdom as well as the princess if he wins, while Heikki gests NADA.

Anyone????

It's none of our business who Ron gives presents too.

Alonso has the SLR Mclaren special edition. He paid for it and got the employee discount.

Chris Palmer is a lucky devil. The orange crusher makes the Enzo look tame.



adam

[pingu666]

enzo isnt so nice looking, or so rare imo

[Actuary]

Originally posted by pingu666
enzo isnt so nice looking, or so rare imo

and doesn't perform as well as the McLaren F1 either, let alone a GTR LM
http://www.evo.co.uk...mclaren_f1.html

[HP]

Originally posted by pingu666
enzo isnt so nice looking, or so rare imo

That's why folks owning a Mclaren have often to explain what make their car is. On that grounds alone I'd go for the Enzo. Nothing worse for me than to educate people on such matters. I had enough with explaining when I owned a rare motorbike. And it seemed to me a sacrilege to bolt on a sign like someone else did on his bike that explained to people what they wanted to know.

[Chui]

OFFER ME THAT I'D SET UP THE ENTIRE GRID!! ALL OF THEM WOULD BE RENDITIONED TO GUANTANAMO BAY (after a few well placed phone calls) & I'D SLEEP LIKE A PUP KNOWING THAT I HAD ONE OF THE COOLEST ROAD CARS AROUND. WELL, AT LEAST KIMI, MASSA, KUBICA & LIL ROSBERG.