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[Crazy Canuck]

ARRRRRGGHHHHH

If we could somehow take BRAKES and HAMILTON away from F1....what the hell would Peter Windsor talk about!!

How many times have you heard him say 'beloved Hitco's'.... Last year it was all about Alonso on Hitco's and Lewis on Carbon Industrie brakes. And it seems that this year he has applied it to everybody. Now we here that Jenson is on Brembo's and Rubens is on his beloved Hitcos. And btw did you know that RB is the only drive still to right foot break. And Ferrari have switched from Brembo to Carbon Industrie because they supposedly last longer... oh and remeber last year at band camp, I mean Canada, where both the Ferrari boys sucked because they used Carbon Industrie brakes....Please shut the F up!!!!

And then, PW's absolutely favourite story line....Lewis, I wish I was your Dad, Hamilton. Please, just stop. the guy is so over the top in his fan boy drivel. It's hardly journalism any more.

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PS - NEWS FLASH - I've heard from an inside source at NOTW that Peter Windsor is actually Lewis' half uncle !!!

[mclarensmps]

Peter Windsor irritates me more than James Allen. If he were a regular commentator, I'd be watching F1 muted.

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by The Big Guns
Peter Windsor irritates me more than James Allen. If he were a regular commentator, I'd be watching F1 muted.

You haven't seen enough of JA then.


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[mclarensmps]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck


You haven't seen enough of JA then.


CC

Haha, I flip between TSN and Speed, I've had to endure my fair share of both .

Trouble is, Martin makes up for the deficiency of the entire trio at Speed. James on the other hand makes me want to throw the remote at the TV at times. However, Vic Router is an absolute imbecile and not even worth watching, which brings me to Peter Windsor... he thinks he knows everything where, in fact, he knows nothing at all. It just seems as if the drivers and such don't really like him either (maybe because he's so adept at asking some of the stupidest questions in press conferences and acts all buddy buddy with them).

Whereas James Allen comes across as having a fake orgasm during races, Peter Windsor just comes off as being a prick and a tool.




I'd pick Steve Slater and Chris Goodwin over the ITV and Speed crews anyday.

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Yeah, Windsor+Lewis Love+Hitco Brakes is annoying...
I cannot imagine how much he must have gotten beaten-up in secondary school.

But his passion for tech and details is still welcome, as opposed to Varsha's "If you are new to F1..." comments.

[Yellowmc]

PW just acts like he knows what he's talking about, it's all nonsense really.

Brundle > Everyone else.

[mclarensmps]

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
Yeah, Windsor+Lewis Love+Hitco Brakes is annoying...
I cannot imagine how much he must have gotten beaten-up in secondary school.

But his passion for tech and details is still welcome, as opposed to Varsha's "If you are new to F1..." comments.

Varsha always sounds like he needs to be reminding himself of these things.

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by The Big Guns


Varsha always sounds like he needs to be reminding himself of these things.

Yeah WTF, does Speed actually think they are continuously getting new, 'non-native' F1 viewers?
No way, I don't have the data, but I cannot imagine that Speed F1 coverage, is followed by none else but niche viewers already in the know of the sport, and also the early or late time slots preclude any 'casual' viewers...

Speed's rock and roll music montages after ad breaks are also infantile, puerile and also rob us of an xtra 30secs of race coverage...

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by The Big Guns

Haha, I flip between TSN and Speed, I've had to endure my fair share of both .

Oh, the good ol days when I could flip between TSN and Speed. How I miss them so. You could watch the whole GP with no ad's. Now, I am stuck only with Speed.

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[mclarensmps]

Speed's rock and roll music montages

I know, I just don't understand the need to do that IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RACE...

Terrible planning on their part.

As far as the ads go... it's ridiculous,i mean, it almost feels like we get 50 minutes of race and 40 minutes of ads...

[postajegenye]

I don't get Speed coverage but Peter Windsor really irritates me with his articles in F1 Racing. He's just too biased and I don't like his style of bashing other drivers to make his favourites look better...

[Go_Scotty_Go!]

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo


Yeah WTF, does Speed actually think they are continuously getting new, 'non-native' F1 viewers?
No way, I don't have the data, but I cannot imagine that Speed F1 coverage, is followed by none else but niche viewers already in the know of the sport, and also the early or late time slots preclude any 'casual' viewers...

Speed's rock and roll music montages after ad breaks are also infantile, puerile and also rob us of an xtra 30secs of race coverage...

Have you kicked your dog yet today? Speed's coverage is light years beyond the abc/cbs attempts - plus we get practice sessions, qualifying, Inside Grand Prix, and F1 Debrief - and your bitching?

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!


Have you kicked your dog yet today? Speed's coverage is light years beyond the abc/cbs attempts - plus we get practice sessions, qualifying, Inside Grand Prix, and F1 Debrief - and your bitching?

OK, I agree w/ you, overall, they do and provide an excellent service.

But Speedvision was a MUCH better channel before Murdoch's FOX acquired it...
Too much disgusting fake motor sports NASCAR, Pinks and Playerz-Bling lowest denominator garbage.

[Most Fastest]

Peter Windsor is an idiot and he is so ridiculous in his worship of Hamilton (it would be toward any driver, he used to get already serious boners when he used to meet his then hero Schumacher, but now he just drops right to his knees....). It is still ringing in my ears like last season, after a brilliant start to the season from Lewis, flat out declared him better than Prost and Senna after only 6 GPs. That gives you an idea of what a perfect idiot this guy is.

[mclarensmps]

I personally think Unique Whips is probably the worst car related TV show I have ever seen... Pinks comes a close second.

[Most Fastest]

But Speedvision was a MUCH better channel before Murdoch's FOX acquired it...

Speedvision is an all around shitty network. 90% of what they broadcast is utter crap, stuff only rednecks with shotguns in their pickup track watch.

Yes, their F1 and Petit Le Mans series broadcast are good and so, I understand, are the NASCAR ones (I just fall asleep with NASCAR, but my friends who like it are happy with the NASCAR broadcast on speed).

All the rest, specially tractors competiting, PINKS, bike building reality shows....please, broadcast them in Tennessee and Kansas, but New York and Los Angeles?????

[ingegnere]

Originally posted by The Big Guns


However, Vic Router is an absolute imbecile and not even worth watching, which brings me to Peter Windsor...

Peter Windsor just comes off as being a p---- and a tool.

Router is also a tool

Seriously though, somebody please tell him it's Takuma, not Takumo. It's only been, what, 5 years now?

BTW, speaking of tools, what G. Donaldson? He has yet to decide who's the hot item of the year, so he can suck up to them and then write an insipid book about them.

[santori]

Originally posted by Yellowmc

Brundle > Everyone else.

To be fair, Martin didn't have a great race so far as brakes and Hamilton were concerned, either.

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by Most Fastest


Speedvision is an all around shitty network. 90% of what they broadcast is utter crap, stuff only rednecks with shotguns in their pickup track watch.

And you have just identified ~70% of the population of the US. No surprise about the content of the network because they are going after the biggest market.

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[Welsh]

Originally posted by The Big Guns
Unique Whips

Isn't this Max Mosley's favourite TV show???

[kal-el]

Originally posted by The Big Guns


Haha, I flip between TSN and Speed, I've had to endure my fair share of both .

Trouble is, Martin makes up for the deficiency of the entire trio at Speed. James on the other hand makes me want to throw the remote at the TV at times. However, Vic Router is an absolute imbecile and not even worth watching, which brings me to Peter Windsor... he thinks he knows everything where, in fact, he knows nothing at all. It just seems as if the drivers and such don't really like him either (maybe because he's so adept at asking some of the stupidest questions in press conferences and acts all buddy buddy with them).

Whereas James Allen comes across as having a fake orgasm during races, Peter Windsor just comes off as being a prick and a tool.




I'd pick Steve Slater and Chris Goodwin over the ITV and Speed crews anyday.

steve slater???
he kept calling bourdais "steph" today.. is that his new nickname to distinguish from vettel?

[saudoso]

You guys should try Galvão Bueno a little bit. Then you'd never complain again.

[rye&ginger]

Originally posted by Welsh


Isn't this Max Mosley's favourite TV show???

I really hope BBC gets some classy announcers for when their coverage starts. Similar to their football announcers.

[Alfisti]

He is without doubt one one of the worst sports presenters on TV, just ****ing awful in every respect. I can't stand him even for a minute, i change to TSN until he buggers off the speed coverage.

[mclarensmps]

Originally posted by kal-el


steve slater???
he kept calling bourdais "steph" today.. is that his new nickname to distinguish from vettel?

Steve Slater is like my version of Murray Walker. Always making mistakes in his enthusiasm and always being corrected by Chris , however, not being a complete wanker like James Allen.

Their synergy works better than any other modern commentary team that I have seen (just my personal opinion).

[mclarensmps]

Originally posted by Alfisti
He is without doubt one one of the worst sports presenters on TV, just ****ing awful in every respect. I can't stand him even for a minute, i change to TSN until he buggers off the speed coverage.

How can you bear even the flow of three words coming out of the voice of curling's mouth??

Ugh, it sucks, on one hand you have an idiot who thinks he knows more about the sport than absolutely anyone else, and thinks that he's best friends with everyone on track, but in reality knows absolutely jack ****; and on the other hand you have someone who knows that he knows absolutely jack ****, but can't even read his prompter properly to just get on with the job.

Heh, what to choose? Bad or worse?

[harris]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck


And you have just identified ~70% of the population of the US. No surprise about the content of the network because they are going after the biggest market.

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Your wrong there sir... make it 100% ! We'll be coming after your diamond mines and maple syurp in due time!



Seriously, not all of us and certainly not 70% have trucks with gun racks although I have plenty of firepower.

I enjoy SPEED for the F1 and ALMS as well as other racing series but agree 1000% about the other trash and nascar garbage they put out. I will say that I feel fortunate to watch F1 here in the states and hope it expands in years to come.

Cheers!

[Go_Scotty_Go!]

The NASCAR coverage is fine - unless you are not a NASCAR fan - that is why there are 300 other channels to turn to - yes Windsor is a tool, but I remember when we got the Monaco GP on ABC and that was it - so I am very grateful for Speed and the F1 coverage - and Steve Matchett is a pimp...and you gotta love Hobbs randomly freaking out for nothing - OH!!! (as a car goes into pits in the distance)

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by harris



Your wrong there sir... make it 100% ! We'll be coming after your diamond mines and maple syurp in due time!



Seriously, not all of us and certainly not 70% have trucks with gun racks although I have plenty of firepower.

I enjoy SPEED for the F1 and ALMS as well as other racing series but agree 1000% about the other trash and nascar garbage they put out. I will say that I feel fortunate to watch F1 here in the states and hope it expands in years to come.

Cheers!

FYI - I've lived in the states for the last 5 years.....the deep South! Where people are religious from the waist up.

Since I live here, it's not an insult....merely an observation

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[harris]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck



FYI - I've lived in the states for the last 5 years.....the deep South! Where people are religious from the waist up.

Since I live here, it's not an insult....merely an observation


No worries amigo. ...You're very right about from the waist up! If they don't bring back the USGP we'll be heading your way for the Canadian GP!

Have a great week



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[Just]

I still never know whether or not to believe Windsor's comments. I mean, during one of the practice sessions for the Bahrain GP, he talked about certain drivers compromising their exit out of turn (IIRC) 8 to set up a better entrace into turn 9. After saying who these drivers were (I remember Vettel was one, can't remember who else), he then said something like "So those are the drivers who know what they're doing".

WTF? I just never know what to believe when he criticises each driver's driving style. I mean, if what he's saying is actually true, then he may just be the best commentator in F1, because he seems to have insights that absolutely no one else picks up on. But is it true? Did Vettel really mean to get a bad exit out of turn 8, or did he just make a mistake? I just wish I knew one way or the other whether or not to believe him.

[zywiec]

This thread cracks me up and I can't agree more regarding Mr Windsor. As a previous post mentioned, his articles in F1 Magazine are really terrible. Even worse than his occasional commentary on the Speed channel. I often wonder if he uses the TV gig to test out new material.

Personally, I enjoy the commentary of Varsha, Hobbs and Matchett. I find the sarcastic play-by-play a refreshing change from most sports broadcasting.

[mooksfu]

yep Peter Winsdor is a Hammy lover.
On Channel 10 in Australia. During the pre race coverage for the Melbourne GP. One of the presenter ask Peter. what is he looking forward to most in the 2008 Season. Peter's answer was "I'm looking forward to seeing Lewis Hamiltion around the streets of Monaco, seeing his supreme car control sliding the back out. blah blah blah "

[Christian Szymczak]

I can always tell a Peter Windsor article from the first sentence. It's funny how he tries to delve into what he considers to be the minute characteristics of what makes one driver better than the other. He always talks about the driver's ability to manipulate the dynamic mass and how he has noticed the subtleties that make Lewis the best at it.

In reality, he doesn't have a clue. So I give Peter Windsor a big thumbs down

[V8 Fireworks]

yep, the brand of brakes is about as heralded as the brand of strings on Santana's guitars... unfortunately the string and brake enthusiasts would be most disappointed which is quite unreasonable really

[Ferrim]

Originally posted by Christian Szymczak
I can always tell a Peter Windsor article from the first sentence.

Yeah, happens to me too!

[Buttoneer]

Originally posted by zywiec

Personally, I enjoy the commentary of Varsha, Hobbs and Matchett. I find the sarcastic play-by-play a refreshing change from most sports broadcasting.

Having watched the first two GP's this year on Speed, I agree with this completely. Peter Windsor is a cock and I don't even like the way he speaks - that's how annoying he was to me in such a short space of time.

Having said that, the rest of the team are pretty good (I thought) and Varsha surprised me by being 'into' the sport rather than being a 'presenter' which is what I expected of US television. (sorry)

Nevertheless compare comments here with the vitriol that Brundle is getting in the Hamilton v Alonso thread. Maybe you're better off with Windsor. Count your blessings.

[mursuka80]

What a **** is a second phase turn that windsor often talks about? in finland we have ex drivers commentating the races and i have never heard anyone else mention it.anyone?

[kar]

Originally posted by mursuka80
What a **** is a second phase turn that windsor often talks about? in finland we have ex drivers commentating the races and i have never heard anyone else mention it.anyone?

Personally I think it means absolutely nothing, but generally Windsor is talking about how the drivers get grip on corner entry.

Think Alonso 2006, he'd turn into the corner very aggressively, loading up the tyres, once he got a feel for the grip levels he'd commit to the corner a second time, the second phase of his turn in to the corner.

Windsor seems to think Lewis gets a feel for the available grip much quicker than anyone else and can hence get that second part of the corner entry commenced earlier, entering the car into the corner quicker.

Seems like smug self-indulgent BS if you ask me, but without asking a driver specifically who knows.

[mclarensmps]

Seems like smug self-indulgent BS if you ask me, but without asking a driver specifically who knows.

This is probably what annoys me the most, in that he just makes stuff up and writes/says it (unconvincingly) as if to make everyone believe.

He tries his utmost to make his assertions go above everyone's heads so they have no choice but to agree just because they don't know any better.

Next he's going to be telling us how Hamilton prefers a different style of carbonfibre weave in his suspension arms compared to Heikki because it suits his style more and is able to give him 3 tenths of a second per lap...

[Just]

Originally posted by The Big Guns
This is probably what annoys me the most, in that he just makes stuff up and writes/says it (unconvincingly) as if to make everyone believe.

But that's just it, is it really all crap? Does he think it's crap himself? Maybe it's all crap but he actually believes it.

I just don't know how he could possibly know the things he claims he does without looking at telemetry. Another example that springs to mind: I remember reading in F1 Racing last season at some point that one of Webber's greatest strengths is his ability to get the car to change direction. So a left-right or right-left that requires the car to be "rebalanced" and change direction is an area where Webber gains time. Is there any truth at all to this? Has Red Bull or one of Webber's former teams shown him his telemetry? Does he see this just from watching Webber drive? What is going on?

[BMW_F1]

the guy is terrible. I wish Varsha can just tell him "pardon me Peter but please shut the f.. up already and stop talking caca please !!! "

[Alfisti]

Yeah but at least Vic does not pretend to be a know-all and show biases, unlike Donaldson who is AWFUL, just bloody AWFUL in every respect.

I kind of like Matchett/Hobbs and Varsha to be honest.

Originally posted by The Big Guns
How can you bear even the flow of three words coming out of the voice of curling's mouth??

you have someone who knows that he knows absolutely jack ****, but can't even read his prompter properly to just get on with the job.

[mclarensmps]

Originally posted by Just
Has Red Bull or one of Webber's former teams shown him his telemetry? Does he see this just from watching Webber drive? What is going on?

I personally feel that the teams and drivers think his claims are so ludicrous that they don't even bother. Maybe this is another reason why he isn't so well received by drivers when he interviews them before a race.

Out of curiosity: When was the last time Peter Windsor do a one on one interview with a driver for any of his written columns/articles?

[kar]

Dunno, but it was funny after Malaysia in the backroom waiting for the podium ceremony Windsor went up to Domenicali shook his hand and intimated towards Kimi, basically it was hard to read but it looked as if Kimi shook his head, Domenicali basically placed himself between Windsor and Raikkonen as if to ward him off.

Found it quite funny personally despite not knowing the exact dynamics of what was happening for sure.

[mclarensmps]

Originally posted by Alfisti
Yeah but at least Vic does not pretend to be a know-all and show biases, unlike Donaldson who is AWFUL, just bloody AWFUL in every respect.

I kind of like Matchett/Hobbs and Varsha to be honest.

Completely agree with the first part!

As far as the second goes, I respect them for making the most of their resources because they get to watch the same thing we do, and aren't actually at the track.

Their enthusiasm is also genuine which is clearly shown by the races they WERE able to attend in person, with the interview sessions with the drivers, and the more in depth detail on the venue and the teams. I will definitely give them a thumbs up, and respect for that. I don't mind listening to them at all, but I do not think that they are great commentators. That said, I do find them entertaining, and maybe that is their take on presentation. If so, then they are doing their job very well

[Just]

More Peter Windsor wisdoms, taken from the January edition of F1 Racing. I'd be really interested in any opinions on whether or not any of this is true. If you don't think it's true, is it because you believe the opposite? Or because there's just no way of knowing any of this?

On Massa:

Felipe doesn't manipulate the car quite as effectively as Kimi after the initial turn-in phase and, as a result, often has to deal with slightly 'longer' corner exits. He also appears to have slightly less feel than Kimi for a 'flat car' and for the criticality of suppleness in his initial movements.

WTF? Initial turn-in phase? Flat car? Criticality of suppleness? Does any of this make sense to anyone? If so, do you agree with it? If so, could you please explain it to me?

On Hamilton:

He is Kimi Raikkonen plus a level or two. I say that in the wake of such races as Bahrain, where, on a 'Ferrari day', Lewis out-drove Kimi - just as he also did in China. Kimi, though, never out-drove Lewis on a 'McLaren day'.

Plus a level or two? WTF? And who decides which days are Ferrari days and McLaren days?

On Button:

The silky-smooth, slow-corner speed was still there - as was his pace in the wet and his seamless brake/throttle transition.

I guess I can buy the first part of this sentence, but "brake/throttle transition"? What is that? Do other drivers not know how to lift off the brake and hit the throttle or vice versa seamlessly? Wow, even I can do that, maybe I should become an F1 driver. Ferrari, are you listening? Call me.

On Barrichello:

On the downside, his corners still go on for too long, and he is prone, because of his late corner entries, to brake too late.

Even if I buy the braking too late part, how does he know that his corners go on for too long? Why doesn't he point this out to Barrichello and ask him what he thinks?

On Yamamoto:

If he's wise, he'll spend the winter thinking "gentle-firm", "flat-car", "little turn-big turn" - and try to project those thoughts into some unsuspecting road car wherever there's plenty of room to make mistakes.

Wow, I didn't realise F1 was as simple as thinking "gentle-firm", "little turn-big turn"... wait a second, WTF does any of that mean? Anyone? Really?

You'd think with all this knowledge, Windsor himself would be the ultimate F1 driver. Wait, didn't he get to try out an F1 car at some point? And didn't he completely suck, like all amateurs who get to do a few laps? I suppose he just forgot to think "gentle-firm", "flat-car", "little turn-big turn" - simple mistake, I'm sure he'll be breaking lap records next time.

[Alfisti]

I saw the Speed replay last night and the commentating may have been better frankly, Brundle and Allen just went on for 90 minutes about Hamilton ...... Hamilton wa sbarely mentioned by the Speed guys.

[mclarensmps]

If he's wise, he'll spend the winter thinking "gentle-firm", "flat-car", "little turn-big turn"

Maybe he was talking about Max here


But seriously, I feel all that stuff is BS. How an observer who isn't an experienced race driver himself can pick up on nuances like that, I cannot imagine.

[BMW_F1]

The speed guys are good, funny with their "hua hua hua ..come on come on.. push push... " (is that Hobbs or Matchet BTW?) but they are not very good at analyzing the race. They always get their pit strategies wrong . Its so funny to hear them say afterwards.. :"we were off according to our calculations..we had him [driver] coming in 5 laps later or sooner... "