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[Macca]

We have threads for racing models in 1/87, and for 1/43, and Barry's slots in 1/32; but does anyone else collect 1/64 and 1/55 models, the scales that are familiar from Matchbox and Hot Wheels? They take up so much less room, and there's the challenge of repainting the ones that need it in authentic colours.

There are not many current makers - Kyosho of Japan is one (hard to find, expensive, mostly Ferraris), and there are some racing cars in the Hot Wheels range such as the Ferrari P4 and 512M and Chaparrals 2D and 2F; also Siku of Germany do a few, and Tomica - but there used to be lots of nice little cars available, such as most of the 1974 and 1982 F1 fields from Polistil, which can be picked up quite cheaply at collectors' fairs.

This site specialises in 1/64, and lots of good stuff can be found by searching (takes a while as it's a big site) :
http://www.breithaupts.com/toycar.html

For Matchbox:
http://www.mboxcommu...tchboxlinks.htm
(those lovely Ford GT40s and Lotus 25s...........)

Here are my Wheels Chaparrals, as bought:




Paul M

[Macca]

Deafening silence......

repainted Hot Wheels:

 

Matchbox Lotus 25 with details:



Anybody?

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 24 February 2021 - 11:39.

[Scuderia SSS]

Nice little models Paul.
I have a fair few odd sized models myself, mainly from Japan and of vintage GT-R's (being a Skyline freak), but i also have a massive collection of models all stored away in the loft (must get them out one day). had them for about 30 years all tucked away in their boxes.
I believe Tomy made some F1 & F3 small scale models some years ago

[brucemoxon]

Now you're talking!

I have a couple of hundred. I'm just on my way out the door but I'll add something substantive later. And I'll have some questions, too.

Do you have the HotWheels Cunningham C4R? The LM250? The Ferrari 156 (with the regrettable wide wheels?) Great stuff, and for a couple of bucks.




Bruce Moxon

[Bjorn Kjer]

Very interesting , I have some myself , several of the 2D ( I never found the C ). But e few others too. The reason for not collecting these scales was/is the random appearances here in Danmark , and as 1/87 Railway is much spread , so is car models , so I collect/build in that scale. I will pass on the news of this thread , know a couple , might put more fire here than on "my" 1/87 !

[Macca]

Originally posted by brucemoxon
Now you're talking!

I have a couple of hundred. I'm just on my way out the door but I'll add something substantive later. And I'll have some questions, too.

Do you have the HotWheels Cunningham C4R? The LM250? The Ferrari 156 (with the regrettable wide wheels?) Great stuff, and for a couple of bucks.


Bruce Moxon

I've got the HW 250LM in yellow, and I've seen it in silver, but no red ones; also there's supposed to be a collectors' version of both the Ferrari 156 and 250TR with better wheels, but I haven't seen them either.

I have seen the C4R but haven't got one yet; I have a Cobra which needs a repaint, and a Cobra Daytona which is in the process of hving some correct sized wheels fitted. (why do they fit cars that have a scale body with cartoon wheels? )

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Originally posted by jpgp79
Hi there,

here are a few pics and a few questions for you all race transporters experts, which I am not at all !
In 1965, Team Lotus introduced a pair of new transporters aimed at carrying the new Lotus Ford Cortinas which were driven by such marvelous drivers as Jimmy Clark. Here is a picture of these transporters:



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...and here is the Matchbox version, not yet painted:





Paul M

Edited by Macca, 24 February 2021 - 11:53.

[Macca]

So can we see pictures of your models, guys?

Meanwhile; Matchbox did a Porsche 911GT1/96 a few years ago, but only in plain colours - however, it paints up OK as the works car from Brands Hatch in 1996:
 

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 24 February 2021 - 11:33.

[brucemoxon]

You asked for it!

I've not modified any of mine - I just don't feel that confident with other than 'ordinary' airbrushing.

One thing I noticed after I'd photographed them is how dusty some were. Now fixed. And the metallic paints - eurgh. The paint looks like, in the words of a wise man, it was sprayed with a yard broom and cut back with a hammer and chisel!


http://i187.photobuc...album/Panoz.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/Shadow.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/lancer.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/panoz2.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...bum/stratos.jpg

http://i187.photobuc..._album/wrx1.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...o_album/156.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...o_album/333.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...o_album/512.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...xo_album/C4.jpg

http://i187.photobuc..._album/GT40.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...um/caddylmp.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...album/clklm.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...obradaytona.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/escort.jpg


As to the too-big wheels - yeah, well I'm not a fan either. But I wonder if it's a throwback to the early days of Hotwheels, when they were the hot-rods and fantasy cars, where Matchbox were the more accurate reproductions.



Bruce Moxon

[Martin Roessler]

i do like the hotwheels,as long as they are racing cars or american muscle/european "authentic" cars...their fantasy schmock is horrible.and of course the old redline hot wheels were so much nicer.
i kept all my modelcars and collected more over the years.have to have a look if i got some pictures....

macca...i like your pits lol...if you are interested,there are some papermodel buildings available,with most of them you can change the scale (with pdf files just print them scan again and resize)
cheers marty



ok....here are a few pics i made a while ago,packed away now somewhere in the depth of my wardrobe....
they are mixed lots,sorry about that but i dont really want to pack them all out again...

[brucemoxon]

Martin, you have some really interesting stuff there. Are they Porsche 908 / 906s?

So I'm shopping today and I see new (to me) Hot Wheels 1/87 scale models (a railway scale HO or OO, I can never remember). They look quite good, but were pricey.

Synchronicity, eh?



Bruce Moxon

[Martin Roessler]

bruce,
the ones in the 3rd thumbnail are matchbox ford 3l's (on the left) and porsche 910's on the right (with #68)
i have a siku 906,i'll have a look for the picture.
some of the hotwheels are really nice but as you said...i'm not paying 10 AU$ for a 1:64 model , a bit too much for me
cheers marty

[brucemoxon]

Ah.

I had those when I was a kid (physically, rather than emotionally, which I am now).

1/64 V8 Supercars / touring cars are about $20! But they're rather better detailed (and more exclusive) than Hot Wheels or Matchbox




Bruce Moxon

[Martin Roessler]

actually now that you mention v8supercars/touringcars.....completely forgot that i have a few in the cabinet
haven't had a look at them for ages.....still pricetags on them 16.95 AU$...well....they were the ones i couldn't afford in 1:18 at the time so i got them in 1:64.
they are indeed very nice and highly detailed....glad i got them now.




cheers marty

[P4Replica]

Originally posted by Macca
There are not many current makers - Kyosho of Japan is one (hard to find, expensive, mostly Ferraris)

Au contraire, Paul.
Not hard to find, at all - particularly on eBay, with Japanese sellers listing them on there on a fairly regular basis.;)

See this thread on FerrariChat: http://www.ferrarich...ad.php?t=163170

.... and perhaps try this eBay search link I included in one of my posts (it still works, and currently brings up 120+ items) :

http://search.ebay.c...1&fcl=3&frpp=50

Nor are they 'expensive'. :
Most of the time they sell for less than $10.00 (US) each, which isn't bad, considering how much better models they are than the Hot Wheels cr*p. Especially their fairly recent 1:64 Ferrari 330P4 berlinettas. Nice.

There's an exception to every rule though.
The rarest (and most collectable) of Kyosho's 1:64 Ferraris is their P4 spyder from the 2003 DyDo Demitasse promo' campaign.

I had one one my eBay watching page earlier this week. This one came with the Ferrari collection show case:

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=170218002570 .... and went for $203.50 !!

[brucemoxon]

Oh great P4, there goes another small fortune!

Thanks for the link. I'll be shaking the money tree for that little lot - the old racers, anyway.


Bruce Moxon

[Macca]

Hard to find............in Britain certainly - e.g. unobtainable except by mail order from Japan!

And you posted links to the Japanese sellers before..........and I know how to use the ebay search, thanks

And you still use too many smileys :yawn:

See? Anybody can do it!

So how else can I have a 1/64 NART 412P, other than by painting one myself - oddly, a search on "Kyosho 1/64" shows no P4s but adding "P4" does..............

And the only single-seaters they do are Ferraris........




Paul M

[P4Replica]

Originally posted by Macca
Hard to find............in Britain certainly - e.g. unobtainable except by mail order from Japan!

Then you must have a very parochial outlook, Macca.

[Martin Roessler]

i hope konami will produce racing models in that scale as well...
their streetcars are very very nice.
was trying to research ,there are a few on ebay but i wouldn't mind getting the whole set (7x12 models).
the problem of course is that they mix the boxsets so you never know what you get...
anybody any contacts in japan? japanese tnf members ?

cheers marty
just click on one of the 7 sets and then on "line up" to see individual models

konami 1/64

some interesting models here too....unusual scales 1:50, 1:51, 1:57, 1:59, 1:61, 1:62 etc.
not quite as detailed as the konami though.

tomica

[Macca]

Originally posted by P4Replica

Then you must have a very parochial outlook, Macca.

Moi?...............mais non! Hotwheels are American, Siku are German, Champion French, etc., etc.

And here is a Japanese (Tomica) Mazda 767:



Kyosho are great for P4s and GTOs,etc., but only Hotwheels do the infamous 'Thomassina' :



Martin, I see you have the Matchbox Ford F3L variations - it's a pity they never did it in the correct red/gold like my repainted one (I'm going to finish it as the Chris Irwin car) :



And the Matchbox Porsche 910s are nice but rather overscale. Here are some other Porsches: 907 by Majorette, 906 by Speedy, 910 by Zylmax, and 906 by Corgi Whizzwheels:



Paul M

Edited by Macca, 24 February 2021 - 11:31.

[Martin Roessler]

....finaly found the siku 906...not really pretty...the shape is more a guess.


the gt40 isn't much better....


cheers marty

[Macca]

Slipped back to page 6................

Matchbox in the 1960s did the original 1964 version of the GT40:

 

and then later did it with wide 'runfast' wheels, so with a modified nose it can come up quite well:

 

And here is my latest for the 1963 grid:

PaulM

Edited by Macca, 24 February 2021 - 11:27.

[red stick]

I'm glad someone is calling attention to these. I have several of the recent Hot Wheels race cars displayed because, wheel size aside, the detail is incredible for the scale and price point. The Cunningham C4R and Corvette Sting Ray are particularly good--they can legitimately be described as 1/64 scale models. And only 97 cents! My only complaint is that HW is releasing only about one a year, and once I found this year's model, the Corvette Grand Sport (between the Corvettes and the Chaparrals someone at HW loves Chevy), it's a long wait to 2009.

I also wish they'd go back and cover some sports cars from the late 70's and 80's. In my collection it's a long gap from the Shadow to the Mercedes CLK/Porsche 911GT/Panoz/Corvette C6-R. How about a 962?

[Rob Ryder]

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer (from David Ferguson)






Slot cars...







Rob

[biercemountain]

Originally posted by brucemoxon
You asked for it!

I've not modified any of mine - I just don't feel that confident with other than 'ordinary' airbrushing.

One thing I noticed after I'd photographed them is how dusty some were. Now fixed. And the metallic paints - eurgh. The paint looks like, in the words of a wise man, it was sprayed with a yard broom and cut back with a hammer and chisel!


http://i187.photobuc...album/Panoz.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/Shadow.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/lancer.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/panoz2.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...bum/stratos.jpg

http://i187.photobuc..._album/wrx1.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...o_album/156.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...o_album/333.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...o_album/512.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...xo_album/C4.jpg

http://i187.photobuc..._album/GT40.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...um/caddylmp.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...album/clklm.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...obradaytona.jpg

http://i187.photobuc...lbum/escort.jpg


As to the too-big wheels - yeah, well I'm not a fan either. But I wonder if it's a throwback to the early days of Hotwheels, when they were the hot-rods and fantasy cars, where Matchbox were the more accurate reproductions.



Bruce Moxon

It's funny Bruce, my Hotwheels collection mirrors your almost exactly. I tend to buy only Ferrari Road and Race cars along with other race cars (mostly first releases). I keep hoping I'm buying desirable collectors items but every time I check a price guide it's the stuff I could care less about that goes through the roof.

I really wish they'd make a Hotwheels of Glickenhouse's custom Enzo/P4.

[brucemoxon]

A case of 'score!'? A recent family visit had my 3 year-old second cousin dragging out his Dad's old cars.

There were some well-used gems among them and I instantly opened negotiations.

They said 'oh, you can have that - it's really scratched up.' I promise I explained it's very old and probably rare and possibly valuable. Shrug.

So, a 1970 or so Corgi Junior Ferrari 512 S, from their 'Growler' series (had a little ratchet arrangement linked to the wheels, so it made a noise as you pushed it along. The mechanism was half-gone and no longer working).

I thought the colour was inappropriate, too.


As found.



Rivets drilled out (carefully) and dismantled.



Rub rub rub...



Undercoated (still wet). I had to use an etch primer to get the paint to stick. Tamiya aerosol etch primer, Tamiya undercoat...



Red coat applied and a test reassembly.



Just need stickers now. That's a top-coat of Tamiya gloss clear in acrylic, applied with an air-brush.





Bruce Moxon

Edited by brucemoxon, 06 December 2009 - 01:09.

[Macca]

Very nice - I like those Corgis too. I hand-repainted a couple of the ordinary (non-growler) ones a while ago, which were also a strange colour (maroon) originally:



which go nicely with my Porsche 917s, repainted from the original gold:

 

And I've got a few more to work on, picked up cheaply at collectors' fairs and autojumbles; I've filed off the spoilers from one 512s to represent the prototype as tested at Modena.

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 23 February 2021 - 11:55.

[brucemoxon]

Macca, I had no idea the 917s existed!

I just bought one from Ebay. Now, how to paint it?




Bruce Moxon

[brucemoxon]

Painted and with water-slide decals from Patto's Place. (http://members.optus...place/home.html)










Bruce Moxon

[Macca]

Very nice - I have to admit I hand-paint mine, being too mean to buy transfers (or even make my own with transfer paper), which can be a bit fiddly with one like this:

 

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 23 February 2021 - 11:52.

[brucemoxon]

Very nice - I have to admit I hand-paint mine, being too mean to buy transfers (or even make my own with transfer paper), which can be a bit fiddly with one like this:



Paul M

Yah- that's pretty impressive - I could never be that steady-handed. Good thing I'm not a professional gun-fighter, eh?

A sheet of decals from Patto costs $8 Australian, which gets pretty pricey when you buy a few at a time.



Bruce Moxon

[Macca]

Yes, I looked into getting some of Patto's, on Barry Boor's recommendation, and while they are superb it would work out very dear.

I have to confess that below a certain size, I don't even try to write the letters properly, just give a general impression - I had to do that a lot with the '70 and '71 Le Mans-winning 917s.

Also with this repaint of a (Siku) 1996 Ferrari, which doesn't look too good when you get close:



Some toys have the right stickers but the basic colour is all wrong - with this Benetton I peeled the stickers off and reused them after repainting:



Paul M

Edited by Macca, 23 February 2021 - 11:50.

[Macca]

While we've seen large numbers of, for instance, Maserati 250Fs in 1/32 on Barry's 'Load of Old Rubbish' thread, here's my essay..............there were 14 chassis in the Lotus 25/33/39 series, although they were never all in existence at the same time (Trevor Taylor wrote-off three of them and Jim Clark one), but here they are:

 

R1 - Jim Clark, Belgian GP 1962
R2 - Peter Arundel, Solitude GP 1963
R3 - Jack Brabham, Monaco GP 1963
R4 - Gerhard Mitter, Solitude GP 1964

R5 - Trevor Taylor, Belgian GP practise 1963
R6 - Giacomo 'Geki' Russo, Italaian GP 1965
R7 - Mike Hailwood, Goodwood Glover Trophy 1964

R8 - Paul Hawkins, Monaco GP 1965
R9 - Mike Spence, British GP 1965
R10 - Jackie Stewart, Rand GP 1964
R11 - Graham Hill, Monaco GP 1967

R12 - the one-off 39, Leo Geoghegan, can't remember where, 1967
R13 - (actually R4 re-tubbed!) Peter Hughes, with Daimler V8 engine, can't remember where, 1969 or '70
R14 - Pedro Rodriguez, Mexican GP 1966



Paul M

(edit: if the antipodeans notice this post, there's bound to be flak about the colours of R12, but I'm sure I've seen a photo or video of it with green stripes and the Climax engine)

Edited by Macca, 23 February 2021 - 11:35.

[Macca]

Copy of a post on another thread: some of my little transporters:

 

 

 

 

 

(the first 4 are repainted Matchbox models, they having made the Lotus transporter but in the wrong colour).

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 23 February 2021 - 11:25.

[Bjorn Kjer]

I have a couple of Chaparral 2D available , if anyone should be interested.

[modelbasher]

Here are some of my 1/64 transporters based on various diecast cabs with scratchbuilt bodies:

two Johnny Lightnig VW pickups


Allard, Maranello Conncessionaires (Vanguards Ford Thames cab with styrene van body) and M.A.N. vans


Ecurie Francorchamps transporter (M2 1950 Studebaker)


fictional M.A.N. service van (Lledo)


1956 Ferrari open deck transportr (scratchbuilt)


Lotus Cortina transporter (Matchbox cab and tailgate, scratchbuilt center section)




Bud Moore trans am transporter (Matchbox Ford cab)



1951 Jaguar service van (Lledo Bedford)


1951 Allard transporter (Jada 1947 Ford COE, Hartoy box)


Mike

[werks prototype]

I took snaps of this for another thread, so I might as well post it here too, whilst I have the img code handy. Nissan R382. 1/64

[werks prototype]

To document a few more 1/64 scale models.

 

Porsche 907. No.41, 5th Le Mans, 1967 Jo Siffert/Hans Herrmann. 1/64

 

 

Mercedes-Benz  C291. M Schumacher/K Wendlinger. 1/64



Porsche 935. 6h Watkins Glen 1976 - Stommelen/Schurti. 1/64

 

 

Porsche 934. ADAC Eifelrennen 1976 - DRM Winner: Helmut Kelleners. 1/64

 

 

Porsche 934. 200 Meilen Norisring 1976 - DRM Winner: Bob Wollek. 1/64

 

[werks prototype]

Some more 1/64 scale models to document. I wouldn't say that I am collecting these, but I do pick them up every now and then (when one catches my eye). At this scale, some of the details suggest the work of a Watchmaker or Jeweler. (Though the photo's don't really show this). For scale, the notebook upon which the models sit is A5.







1/64 Scale Ferrari 250 LM - Le Mans 24hrs 1965 #261965 - Pierre Dumay / Gustave Gosselin.

Edited by werks prototype, 15 September 2013 - 16:45.

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Sauber-Mercedes C11 #2 Mass/Schumacher.
 

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Ferrari 250GTO - F.Tavano Racing #25 - Le Mans 24hrs 1963 -  P.Dumay / 'Elde' (Leon Dernier).

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Porsche 934, ADAC 300 km 1976 – European GT Winner : #51 Toine Hezemans.

[werks prototype]

 

1/64 Scale Nissan R381 1968 Japan GP #20 H. Kitano

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Nissan R380-(modified type II) #10 1967 Japanese Grand Prix.

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Dino 206 Competizione

 

1/64 Scale Ferrari 512 BB LM

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Opel Calibre V6 (Opel Team Joest) #6 Keke Rosberg 1994 DTM

 

1/64 Scale Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR 1975 Southern Cross Rally - K.Shinozuka/G.Connolly

 

1/64 Scale Porsche 935 ADAC 1000km 1976 - #1 Stommelen/Schurti

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Ferrari 312 T2 # 11 N. Lauda

 

1/64 Scale Ferrari 312 T2 # 12 C. Reutemann

 

1/64 Scale Ferrari 312 T3 # 12 G. Villeneuve

 

1/64 Scale Ferrari 312 T3 # 11 C. Reutemann

[werks prototype]

1/64 Scale Canon Williams Honda FW11B #5 N.Mansell

 

1/64 Scale Ferrari F1-89 (Late Version) #27 N. Mansell

[Macca]

Bringing this back to life after more than 7 years  ; Hot Wheels have done various sports prototypes, some quite accurate and in something like the right colour - recently they have produced the 1971 Porsche 917L in Gulf colours which sits nicely with the 512M in blue:

 

 

and they have done one in the psychedelic scheme too:

 

 

Just out in the USA is a new version of the Le Mans '67 winner, the Ford Mk IV, a completely new version that is far better than the Redline version from 1969, but I haven't seen one in the UK yet.

 

 

Paul M

[dwh43scale]

Spark have started to do 1/64 at what these days are probably regarded as pocket money prices. https://www.grandpri...e&stock=showALL

[brucemoxon]

Some recent Hot Wheels conversions. 

XB Falcon GT, as raced at Bathurst 1977 by Jim Richards and Rod Coppins. Decals from Pattos Place.
 

 

 

 

Allan Moffat's legendary Trans Am Mustang. Pattos decals again - the scaling is slightly out on either the car or the decals.