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[Fatgadget]

Originally posted by Blueray


Most people, apart from hamilton fanboys dont like arrogance.

Ha ha ha! I like arrogant sportsmen/women of any flavour.They are interesting. Daley Thompson remember him?

[DarthWillie]

Originally posted by Blueray


Thats a seperate argument. We are just accusing him of being arrogant which he blatantly is.

Realistic is the word, not arrogant.

[jesee]

Originally posted by Blueray


Most people, apart from hamilton fanboys dont like arrogance.

Did you do a research? Who says that if you say he is arrogant then you must be right? That is arrogance in itself. You then accuse people who dont agree with you of being fanboys. You have a right to your opinion on any driver but you dont have to assume that your opinion is the majority opinion. I happen to think alonso is better than kimi but that is my opinion....that is not "most people"...that is just me. To arrogate myself the right to assume everybody else agrees with me is being totally arrogant.

[DoubleWDC]

Originally posted by GiancarloF1
When I say something like this about... let's say Raikkonen, I would have gotten a warning for being a troll. And rightly so.

You couldn't do that because KR does not go on bragging about his skills. There was fundamentally nothing untrue with PassWinds post.

Calm down, and accept that Hamilton is a great driver.

A great driver would not have lost a 17 point lead and WDC in two races.

[Blueray]

Originally posted by jesee


Did you do a research? Who says that if you say he is arrogant then you must be right? That is arrogance in itself. You then accuse people who dont agree with you of being fanboys. You have a right to your opinion on any driver but you dont have to assume that your opinion is the majority opinion. I happen to think alonso is better than kimi but that is my opinion....that is not "most people"...that is just me. To arrogate myself the right to assume everybody else agrees with me is being totally arrogant.

Ok can you give me your definition of arrogance and an example of it?

[Fatgadget]

Originally posted by DoubleWDC


You couldn't do that because KR does not go on bragging about his skills. There was fundamentally nothing untrue with PassWinds post.



A great driver would not have lost a 17 point lead and WDC in two races.

You conveniently forgot to add the word 'rookie' somewhere in there me thinks!

[wingwalker]

It's funny (well, sad in fact) that focus on this is thread on whether and how arrogant LH comments were while the outcome of the session was very unusual and the track was actually breaking up after Q1, so it raises concerns about the race.. But who cares? Let's talk about Hamilton...

[saudoso]

Originally posted by Fatgadget


What is wrong with being arrogant if you are confident in your abilities anyway? Muhamed Ali I seem to remember was one arrogant SOB, that didn't do him much harm did it?

That one used to do much harm

[rodlamas]

Originally posted by DoubleWDC


You couldn't do that because KR does not go on bragging about his skills. There was fundamentally nothing untrue with PassWinds post.



A great driver would not have lost a 17 point lead and WDC in two races.

Let's maybe talk about Mansell in 1986 or Prost in 1983.

And a great driver wouldn't be complaining everytime he doesn't win or get the pole like, track breaking up, car failing in practice, front wing being damaged when noobody can see the damage, or maybe saying "I didn't make a mistake, I just lost control of the car, BUT I DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE."

[DoubleWDC]

Originally posted by rodlamas

Let's maybe talk about Mansell in 1986 or Prost in 1983.

Talk what? That they had mechanical troubles and lost is different to foolishly destroying your tyres because you cannot deviate from your "pedal to da medal" approach.

And a great driver wouldn't be complaining everytime he doesn't win or get the pole like, track breaking up, car failing in practice, front wing being damaged when noobody can see the damage, or maybe saying "I didn't make a mistake, I just lost control of the car, BUT I DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE."

I don't what you are talking about. The fact is Hamilton has won only six races and nothing else so is not "great" with that kind of achievement. He may become but first he has to win more.

[noikeee]

Originally posted by wingwalker
It's funny (well, sad in fact) that focus on this is thread on whether and how arrogant LH comments were while the outcome of the session was very unusual and the track was actually breaking up after Q1, so it raises concerns about the race.. But who cares? Let's talk about Hamilton...

5 different cars in the first 5 positions

[Lazarus II]

It's not bragging if you can back it up....and Lewis did.

[Man of the race]

Short analysis of Saturday:
Lewis did a very good job in the qualifying.
Not so good in the press conference.

I started to understand Alonso supportes who sometimes steamed in the last year. The world does not surround around Lewis. Even Piquet Jr. has more right to think that world surrounds around him. At least he sees it like that sometimes, when he spins, and may misinterpret that.

[MS KR]

rodlamas two ferraris were slower than Lewis, end off by a big margin. Ferrari don't own the excuse book though, that is owned by McLaren as Flavio pointed.

Kimi does not complain as much as at McLaren, he is also enjoying life a bit more.

[kismet]

Team kismet had a ridiculous qualifying session - as has become the norm over the years. However, this weekend's biscuit goes to Jarno Trulli who had a pretty stellar qualifying even by our standards.

[Cheap Wine Alesi]

Originally posted by rodlamas

front wing being damaged when noobody can see the damage,

Except people looking at relevant pictures

[rodlamas]

Originally posted by MS KR
rodlamas two ferraris were slower than Lewis, end off by a big margin. Ferrari don't own the excuse book though, that is owned by McLaren as Flavio pointed.

Kimi does not complain as much as at McLaren, he is also enjoying life a bit more.

I just can't get what happened to Massa and Kovalainen... MAybe they are way heavier than their teammates, but unless they happen to get a very good start, they will enjoy a long afternoon.

[awake27]

Originally posted by archstanton
anyhow back on the track (y'know the important gray bit outside, not the tv press conference room)


thing is .... sector 3, and turn 10, is not really where hamilton did the bulk of the damage.

on his hotlap, kubica was faster than hamilton in s1, but by end of sector2 (just before braking zone for turn10), lewis had overhauled that and was now .344 up on robert ... the extra coupla tenths he made up on the last sector were just gravy. he had already safely done the beemer by then.

kimi too was faster in s1, but his time at end of s2 would prove to be slower than the time lewis clocked when he got there just a little later (by just under two-tenths), a fact which is kinda masked by the outright horror of that calamitous last sector that he had.

Kubica's lap had slow S2 split thats why Hamilton was 0.3 faster in S2 split while Raikkonen was 0.1 faster on Hamilton 2nd best lap.

Hamilton 21.7 25.0 31.0
Kubica 21.7 25.4 31.3
Raikkonen 21.8 24.9 31.8
Alonso 21.9 25.3 31.4

[MS KR]

Prediction by Luis Vasconselos: 3 stoppers Rosberg,Alonso,Hamilton,Kubica. 2 stoppers Räikkönen,Massa, Kovalainen,Heidfeld

To be honest I don't believe that and that makes me laugh.Lewis as hooked up and put a brilliant lap in whereas Kimi, had a bad last sector for whatever reason. However the gap is half a second bigger from q2 to q3. Hamilton may be a few laps lighter at most.

Same as kova, is from being 6 tenths slower, 1.2 secs slower.

[awake27]

No way we will see 3-stoppers, maybe 2-stoppers with short 1st stint but still... An early SC and you are ruined.

[kismet]

Kovalainen certainly gave the impression that he's on a similar strategy as Hamilton and that the gap between them was all down to his basically never getting anything right. That said, he gave the same impression in one of the earlier races where he appeared slow in qualifying only for the race to reveal that he'd qualified with a comparatively ridiculous fuel load that hid the sheer brilliance of his qualifying effort. So who knows.

[rodlamas]

Originally posted by MS KR
Prediction by Luis Vasconselos: 3 stoppers Rosberg,Alonso,Hamilton,Kubica. 2 stoppers Räikkönen,Massa, Kovalainen,Heidfeld

To be honest I don't believe that and that makes me laugh.Lewis as hooked up and put a brilliant lap in whereas Kimi, had a bad last sector for whatever reason. However the gap is half a second bigger from q2 to q3. Hamilton may be a few laps lighter at most.

Same as kova, is from being 6 tenths slower, 1.2 secs slower.

He said Hamilton, Rosberg and Kubica will be in around lap 15-17. Even if that happens, a two stop is still perfectly possible.

But I don't think we'll see any stops before lap 20.

[Galko877]

Originally posted by MS KR
Prediction by Luis Vasconselos: 3 stoppers Rosberg,Alonso,Hamilton,Kubica. 2 stoppers Räikkönen,Massa, Kovalainen,Heidfeld

To be honest I don't believe that and that makes me laugh.Lewis as hooked up and put a brilliant lap in whereas Kimi, had a bad last sector for whatever reason. However the gap is half a second bigger from q2 to q3. Hamilton may be a few laps lighter at most.

Same as kova, is from being 6 tenths slower, 1.2 secs slower.

I don't beleive that either. I think the top 6-7 guys will be on a 2 stopper. Maybe Heidfeld and Webber are suspects for a one stopper or at least a VERY long first stint (Heidfeld might have qualified heavier knowing he doesn't have a chance in qualy anyway and Webber could be heavily fuelled because he didn't run in Q3).

[wingwalker]

3 stopper would be a huge gamble, I don't think it is going to happen (to that extent, at least). SC periods are even more likely than a year before.

[wingwalker]

Barrichello is one stopping, imo.

[rodlamas]

Originally posted by wingwalker
Barrichello is one stopping, imo.

I'm pretty much sure about Barrichello on one stop. He might string a surprise this afternoon.

The top 8 should all be in around from laps 20-30, if the SC isn't deployed.

[Alfisti]

Originally posted by race addicted
I'll happily say it again; kudos to Alonso and Renault on their performance today. Who expected the Ferrari's to be third and sixth??

Bot Renault and RBR are pushing hard, they are not that far off the top 6 cars and Fred with Webber even look faster than Heidfeld sometimes.

Both cars looked very fast in FP2, a rightful 4th and 5th fastest which is eye catching.

[Galko877]

Originally posted by rodlamas


I'm pretty much sure about Barrichello on one stop. He might string a surprise this afternoon.

With Ross Brawn on the pitwall, anything is possible!

It will be interesting to watch Barrichello this afternoon.

[inca_roads]

Choosing more stops means more chances for you to be unable to stop when you need to due to SC, so I can't see anyone going for 3 today. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[archstanton]

Originally posted by awake27

Kubica's lap had slow S2 split thats why Hamilton was 0.3 faster in S2 split while Raikkonen was 0.1 faster on Hamilton 2nd best lap.

Hamilton 21.7 25.0 31.0
Kubica 21.7 25.4 31.3
Raikkonen 21.8 24.9 31.8
Alonso 21.9 25.3 31.4

are those splits from the live timing? you need to be careful with that because they use the best times from each sector in the session, not the sector times from the laptime in question (or they use some dubious rounding), becuase they very rarely ever add up to the given laptime.

that always bugged me.

... the relative splits and who was where, and when, that i described was done by rewatching the last coupla minutes of q3, and the actual 3 decimal-place times on the screen.

[Alfisti]

Originally posted by repcobrabham
canadians not getting live coverage of quali at their own GP i'm surprised by this apparently characteristic shoddiness, most disappointing.

Errr it was live chief. Sat here and watched it with a XXXX in my hand.


I know, i know, but it's all they have locally. I know.

[Galko877]

Originally posted by Alfisti


Bot Renault and RBR are pushing hard, they are not that far off the top 6 cars and Fred with Webber even look faster than Heidfeld sometimes.

Both cars looked very fast in FP2, a rightful 4th and 5th fastest which is eye catching.

Yes, both teams are pushing and they were 4th and 5th on merit, but I think it was also a case of poor performance by Ferrari and Kovalainen and Heidfeld with his usual struggles which makes them look better here than normally.

Obviously it's not normal for Ferrari to lose 0.8 seconds to McLaren in one turn. And the gap between Lewis and Heikki doesn't look normal either. Plus Heidfeld is struggling with qualy this season.

I think with the breaking up track it came down to drivers' adaptibility, maybe also a bit of luck as Alonso pointed out in his recent Q&A, but mainly on the adaptibility and some solved that well, some not and because of that we see a bit of a mixed grid, which I'm not sure is showing the real order of the cars. Canada and Monaco are considered not "normal" tracks anyway and this year it's even more the case with the track problem, I guess.