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[sephiroth]

In the 14 years (since 92 to 06) I supported schumacher. when he went to Ferrari was disappointed but supported ferrari merchandise. Even started to smoke Marlboro (and REALLY started to smoke when Schumacher was injured in 99). Lights all the time except on race weekends when I only smoke reds.

The tifosi of those 14 years can be divided into 2.
1) Real tifosi who only care for ferrari.
2) Real fans of F1 who saw Schumacher race and became enamoured of his class and his abilities (on and off track).

There is a third group (much smaller) that was originally ferrari fans but after schuamcher rebuilt their dreams they see schumacher as the god of motosporting. Hermes on his winged slippers has been replaced by Schumacher in his red helmet, red overalls and red shoes sitting in a red car.

Are there many people like me who now have let their loyalties fall towards Ferrari after Schumacher's retirement.

A lot in F1 has changed in me. I don't wake up at 4 am and wait for the race to start by reading commentary and watching videos of the practice/qualifying sessions. Now if I wake up in time I'll delligently watch the race with the idea that no one should be able to break Schumacher's records.

So I don't want Hamilton to win this year (because I think he'll still be the youngest). I don't want kimi to win because he'll have won 2 consecutive races in adverse conditions. I don't want massa to win because it will end up denigrating Schumacher's achievement's in Ferrari.

That leaves me Kova, Kubica, Rosberg and Hiedfeld. Hiedfeld is out because he is german and no other german should be on the path to a WDC. (Rosberg races as a german but really is polish). So Kova and Kubica it is.

Let me tell you though. Passionately supporting Schumacher was a million times better than passionately hating anyone who looks to surpass Schumacher. (Although in my heart I know that no one has in the past and no will in the future).

What are you thoughts ExSchumacher/Ferrari fans.

[kamix]

I am just staggered by the factors you base judgements and your life around. You smoke a certain brand because of the team they sponsor, you support Ferrari simply because Schumi used to race there and you haven't been bothered to start following a new driver?

Most amazing is the way you tick off reasons you won't support a driver. Nationality? Because it will 'denigrate' Schumi's achievements?

You claim to be tifosi yet you don't want Ferrari to win the championships?

[JForce]

An unusual opening post.


For myself, it's a case of Forza Ferrari. I support Kimi and Felipe every bit as much as I supported Michael before them. Do I think they're as good as him? No.

But it matters not. Whoever is driving a Ferrari gets my full support.

My history is like that of so many Tifosi. As a child, the fast red cars on the street, on tv, in movies, on racetracks, were fascinating. From there it was just a case of the Ferrari marketing doing their job ;)

There are those who became Tifosi when The Dream Team started winning. They are welcome to join us.

And there are those who were Schumacher fans and have stayed with us since. They are welcome to stay.

But there are those who switched when Ferrari started winning again. They deserted the teams they supported through the 80s and 90s, and now call themselves Tifosi. To me they are not welcome.

Because for 21 years we were a **** team. Run badly, we survived on passion alone. And it was horrible supporting them through that time but we did it anyway. And those are real Tifosi.

Just as McLaren fans who are now holding onto going back to the time of Mika and winning a championsip again, or Williams fans who long for the days of 1997 to return.

It's about finding your team, or your driver, and sticking with them. Those who chop and change don't really support anyone.

[KWSN - DSM]

I follow my driver over my team.

My team is and have always been Ferrari, but if my driver is not a Ferrari driver, I hope that he wins in front of the two Ferrari drivers. I have always gotten up when ever the race was on (if I was living somewhere it was on), and will continue to do so. I do own some Ferrari gear both official and knockoff.

I do not see myself buying any Nico Rosberg gear, but he is my driver after Michael Schumacher retired, that Schumacher raced so long and so successfully for Ferrari was great, had he stayed with Benneton or gone anywhere else, I would have cheered him on equally biased. He was in my view the best driver I have ever seen.

I do not agree with most of the 'facts' in the opening post.

[Josta]

Originally posted by sephiroth
In the 14 years (since 92 to 06) I supported schumacher. when he went to Ferrari was disappointed but supported ferrari merchandise. Even started to smoke Marlboro (and REALLY started to smoke when Schumacher was injured in 99). Lights all the time except on race weekends when I only smoke reds.

The tifosi of those 14 years can be divided into 2.
1) Real tifosi who only care for ferrari.
2) Real fans of F1 who saw Schumacher race and became enamoured of his class and his abilities (on and off track).

There is a third group (much smaller) that was originally ferrari fans but after schuamcher rebuilt their dreams they see schumacher as the god of motosporting. Hermes on his winged slippers has been replaced by Schumacher in his red helmet, red overalls and red shoes sitting in a red car.

Are there many people like me who now have let their loyalties fall towards Ferrari after Schumacher's retirement.

A lot in F1 has changed in me. I don't wake up at 4 am and wait for the race to start by reading commentary and watching videos of the practice/qualifying sessions. Now if I wake up in time I'll delligently watch the race with the idea that no one should be able to break Schumacher's records.

So I don't want Hamilton to win this year (because I think he'll still be the youngest). I don't want kimi to win because he'll have won 2 consecutive races in adverse conditions. I don't want massa to win because it will end up denigrating Schumacher's achievement's in Ferrari.

That leaves me Kova, Kubica, Rosberg and Hiedfeld. Hiedfeld is out because he is german and no other german should be on the path to a WDC. (Rosberg races as a german but really is polish). So Kova and Kubica it is.

Let me tell you though. Passionately supporting Schumacher was a million times better than passionately hating anyone who looks to surpass Schumacher. (Although in my heart I know that no one has in the past and no will in the future).

What are you thoughts ExSchumacher/Ferrari fans.

Dude, you are scaring me. You really need to see someone about your obsessive behaviour.

[J]

Originally posted by sephiroth
In the 14 years (since 92 to 06) I supported schumacher. when he went to Ferrari was disappointed but supported ferrari merchandise. Even started to smoke Marlboro (and REALLY started to smoke when Schumacher was injured in 99). Lights all the time except on race weekends when I only smoke reds.

The tifosi of those 14 years can be divided into 2.
1) Real tifosi who only care for ferrari.
2) Real fans of F1 who saw Schumacher race and became enamoured of his class and his abilities (on and off track).

There is a third group (much smaller) that was originally ferrari fans but after schuamcher rebuilt their dreams they see schumacher as the god of motosporting. Hermes on his winged slippers has been replaced by Schumacher in his red helmet, red overalls and red shoes sitting in a red car.

Are there many people like me who now have let their loyalties fall towards Ferrari after Schumacher's retirement.

A lot in F1 has changed in me. I don't wake up at 4 am and wait for the race to start by reading commentary and watching videos of the practice/qualifying sessions. Now if I wake up in time I'll delligently watch the race with the idea that no one should be able to break Schumacher's records.

So I don't want Hamilton to win this year (because I think he'll still be the youngest). I don't want kimi to win because he'll have won 2 consecutive races in adverse conditions. I don't want massa to win because it will end up denigrating Schumacher's achievement's in Ferrari.

That leaves me Kova, Kubica, Rosberg and Hiedfeld. Hiedfeld is out because he is german and no other german should be on the path to a WDC. (Rosberg races as a german but really is polish). So Kova and Kubica it is.

Let me tell you though. Passionately supporting Schumacher was a million times better than passionately hating anyone who looks to surpass Schumacher. (Although in my heart I know that no one has in the past and no will in the future).

What are you thoughts ExSchumacher/Ferrari fans.

A troll, or too sad for words...

-J

[Hippo]

Haha, you categorize (ex-) Ferrari fans in 3 groups. But there are more. Ferrari wasn't founded in 1992 btw. I for example was a fan of Ferrari until 1995. But when Schumacher and his former Benneton friends joined them i kinda stepped back although i'm German. It was nice to see them winning again in the beginning. But i just couldn't be fan anymore. Strange things are strange, i know.;)

[Ross Stonefeld]

His reasons are no better or worse than the rest of you, or the logic we see daily on this forum. All support is down to personal logic, and inconsistent logic at that.


Personally I like seeing 'unrated' guys doing well because it makes the superfans look so silly. When Jarno Trulli wins the Monaco Grand Prix and teammate Alonso crashes passing a lapped car, you can only smirk.

[SevenTwoSeven]

Id always had a soft spot for ferrari but having been onto F1 since the early eighties i was predominatly a Mansell fan. Trying at times but an affinity for williams because of this. However when Mansell went to Ferrari it became clear this was more than a 'normal' team. I sort of stuck with them since. However being a Brit, ill always support any good 'balls out' british driver as well as Ferrari in the background! Difficult at the moment, Hamilton has his critics (mainly on this board it seems!!!) but hes great to watch, although ive no real affinity towards McLaren itself in the fact i wouldnt go out and buy McLaren merchandise over Ferrari merchandise, despite the team being british. Ive got more Schumacher/Ferrari caps than i care to mention

It seems its not allowed for anyone to support both Ferrari AND McLaren (How dare you!!!) and as one generaly beats the other its pretty difficult! But i do like both teams as well as always looking what Williams are up to....

Personaly the 1989/1990 ferrari with Mansell in it i think was the best you could get bar Gilles Villeneuve in the red cars, and really hasnt been betterd till Schumacher went there regardless of Mansells results and lacklustre 1990 with the team.. Some drivers just 'suit' driving a ferrari more than others, and sadly i dont really think either Massa or Kimi are 'proper' ferrari drivers (if you get my drift!) - nothing against them personly but they just dont 'do it' for me - so my interest in the red team has slightly waned recently but mainly due to lack of a driver who i really 'like'.....

[Tigershark]

Ross, surely you do get to smirk more often than once every four years.

Anyway, I do kind of see where sephiroth is coming from, but it doesn't make me hope the current Ferrari drivers don't do well at all. In fact, perhaps somewhat related to Ross's comment, I like to see them, and especially Massa now, do well.

[Chiara]

Ferrari fan since 1995/1996. Started off liking Jean Alesi (part sicilian like me) but fell in love with the team as a whole really, drivers come and go but it is the team I stick with and support. Was sad to see Michael go after all those years and all the success achieved with the dream team, but have moved on quite happily to support Kimi and Felipe just as much as Michael or anyone else who has driven for us.

I can't say I sit and pine for the loss of Michael, we are in a new era, with different people and different challenges and I enjoy that just as much if not more - a bit more unpredictable ;) which makes the victory when it comes all the sweeter.

Even if we are having a disastrous year then my heart still belongs to Ferrari....

I'd quite like Massa to win the WDC this year actually...whether he will is obviously another story.

[kar]

It's an interesting post, for me I never had any deep love for Ferrari until Schumacher came in 96, and even then I was disappointed he was going to Ferrari as I thought they were too erratic.

When I first started following F1 (after Adelaide's first grand prix in 85:)) I really adored Alain Prost. So I followed which ever team he drove for. The way he parted with Ferrari left me a little bitter.

When Michael came along I found someone else to really follow and it coincided with Prost's imminent retirement. Michael was someone that it was so easy to really believe in. He has a particular manner about him in which you just cannot help but admire and be intrigued by.

He let you down occasionally, 97 and Monaco 2006 for me were the big ones (I don't think '94 was deliberate, but I accept some do), but for the most part you just knew that he was going to make something magical happen. A lot of the time he managed it.

It was through the tight knit group of Byrne, Brawn, Schumi but especially Jean Todt that I think I really came to buy into the 'Ferrari mystique'. Jean Todt above all else excised the cancer at Ferrari of introspection and discontent. He managed to emphasise what was always great about the Marquee, their passion and heritage, and removed or at best, shielded, the team from the emotional and political baggage these attributes often bring.

With Michael leading from the front and living an almost monastic lifestyle - no one can question Michael cared about racing and winning above ABSOLUTELY everything - you could not help but fall utterly in love with the team and their driver who were on an almost crusade for ultimate victory.

With Michael gone, that deep admiration and adoration I developed for the team he drove for remains. I don't feel anything like the way I did about Prost or Michael for the current generation of drivers. But for the rest of my life I cannot imagine supporting anyone but those who drive a Ferrari.

And Michael Schumacher is absolutely the reason for that.

*Edit*

It's interesting too, a couple of the responses to the parent post. I find that some people simply do not understand, at all, the depth of feeling many Ferrari fans have for 'their' team. Why often first person pronouns are used rather than second or third person ones. I don't know if it can ever be explained, but I can just say I feel sorry for them. To love a team so much, it is quite a nice feeling inside to have. It is gut wrenching and it is ecstatic.


J says 'too sad for words', I agree, it's very sad that not everyone gets to feel things so strongly on a Sunday. It's part of what makes this sometimes maddening sport so special.

[pUs]

I've been a Ferrari fan since 1985, no matter who was behind the wheel. Sure I've liked different drivers more than others, Prost and Irvine probably are my all-time favorites. But still I don't care who drive the cars, I cheer for the team and I'm happy when they do well.

[hobbes]

Not sure when i became a Ferrari fan but i was always interested in Italy and loved Ferrari cars. So it was never a question of which team to support in F1 and i really dont care about the driver

[Clatter]

Originally posted by sephiroth
The tifosi of those 14 years can be divided into 2.
1) Real tifosi who only care for ferrari.
2) Real fans of F1 who saw Schumacher race and became enamoured of his class and his abilities (on and off track).

Are you really trying to say that someone who supports a team rather than a driver is not a real F1 fan?

[kamix]

The other fans feel for the sport just as much IMO, but knowing that their driver and team will not win a race the entire year tends to cut out the extreme high/low emotions you are talking about Kar.

I'm sure I will get flamed a lot for this, and yes it is only true of the modern fan, but a large part of tifosi are dressed in red only because they want to show up and see their team/driver win. They aren't Italian, they aren't particularly fond of Schumacher or his teammates (or at least they weren't, originally). They want that temporary rush of feelings more than the rest of us.

I have been a Williams fan since I was young. In fact it also started at the '85 Adelaide GP. But I have to admire the drivers before I can put my full support behind the team. For example I am not very impressed by Rosberg/Wurz/Nakajima, so I am left hanging a bit the past few years. But it is ok because I tend to follow drivers first, teams second.

[Hacklerf]

My uncle gave me a tape when i was younger and said watch this kid.

It was Gilles doing his thing in a Ferrari, this was when Prost was the current number 1 for them and 1 month later i had my own kart and of course it was red, ever since i follow the red cars and it just so happens that Schumacher and Kimi have been my favourite drivers and they both end up at Ferrari

[hobbes]

Originally posted by kamix

I'm sure I will get flamed a lot for this, and yes it is only true of the modern fan, but a large part of tifosi are dressed in red only because they want to show up and see their team/driver win. They aren't Italian, they aren't particularly fond of Schumacher or his teammates (or at least they weren't, originally). They want that temporary rush of feelings more than the rest of us.

I strongly disagree with the large part!

[Frans]

Well, the Ferrari is not a bad car, Kimi came, tried and won in one try, no Schumacher ever did thát.....

Irvine could win the title in 1999, but was not allowed to do so....

tháts Ferrari. They decide when to win, but also when to lose, in order to let another one win another day.
(coule be a new title, "Win another Day" for a song or something, or a James Bond movie)

Politics ..... that means "multiple slaughter" ... Politics have nothing to do with being fastest and being the best driver/racer in the world and/or about the best/fastest car or whatever.....
And you can't say the word Ferrari, without thinking "politics", can ya?

[Chiara]

Originally posted by kamix
The other fans feel for the sport just as much IMO, but knowing that their driver and team will not win a race the entire year tends to cut out the extreme high/low emotions you are talking about Kar.

I'm sure I will get flamed a lot for this, and yes it is only true of the modern fan, but a large part of tifosi are dressed in red only because they want to show up and see their team/driver win . They aren't Italian, they aren't particularly fond of Schumacher or his teammates (or at least they weren't, originally). They want that temporary rush of feelings more than the rest of us.

I have been a Williams fan since I was young. In fact it also started at the '85 Adelaide GP. But I have to admire the drivers before I can put my full support behind the team. For example I am not very impressed by Rosberg/Wurz/Nakajima, so I am left hanging a bit the past few years. But it is ok because I tend to follow drivers first, teams second.

I would assume most fans of drivers or teams (or both) want to see their favourite win but I get what you mean, your basically saying some Ferrari fans are glory supporters only jumping on the bandwagon because that is one of the more successful teams. That's probably true of fans of other drivers and teams also, and in other sports as well.

I have noticed particularly amongst my friends in the UK a huge ground swell of Lewis Hamilton fans, they don't actually have the foggiest what the sport is about but have all jumped aboard the 'Lewis' Loveboat ;) and have the cheek to give me grief over the fact I support Ferrari and how dare I? Yet I grew up from a very early age in my house being surrounded by Ferrari supporters and come from an Italian/Sicilian Family. But because I live in the UK I am honour bound to support Lewis and McLaren apparently

On the other hand I know alot of British Ferrari fans, who have been fans of the team way before the Schumacher Glory Years, and fell in love with the Marque even when Ferrari were a bit of a shambles actually. Fans who grew up falling in love with the road cars who transferred that passion onto the F1 team, so I think its a bit naive to assume all non Italian Ferrari fans all fall into the category of glory supporters, IMHO ;)

[kar]

Originally posted by kamix
The other fans feel for the sport just as much IMO, but knowing that their driver and team will not win a race the entire year tends to cut out the extreme high/low emotions you are talking about Kar.

I'm sure I will get flamed a lot for this, and yes it is only true of the modern fan, but a large part of tifosi are dressed in red only because they want to show up and see their team/driver win. They aren't Italian, they aren't particularly fond of Schumacher or his teammates (or at least they weren't, originally). They want that temporary rush of feelings more than the rest of us.

I have been a Williams fan since I was young. In fact it also started at the '85 Adelaide GP. But I have to admire the drivers before I can put my full support behind the team. For example I am not very impressed by Rosberg/Wurz/Nakajima, so I am left hanging a bit the past few years. But it is ok because I tend to follow drivers first, teams second.

I'm not so sure. I know in 2005 I watched every single race (and attended some too) even though there was no hope of winning. I supported Ferrari (well Michael at that point) in 1996 when everything looked hopeless in a dog of a car.

I dunno, time will tell whether you are right or not. But I can only speak for myself, even if we have to go a decade of 2005s I still would not support any other team. I think most Ferrari fans would be like that too I think.

As for British Ferrari fans, there's more red than any other colour at Silverstone :-)

[ashnathan]

Rosberg is Finnish.

[Josta]

Originally posted by kids like ash
Rosberg is Finnish.

Rosberg is German. Born in Germany to a German mother, has German citizenship. The only connection to Finland is his father, (who was born in Sweden). I have an Irish mother, but I am still British, not Irish.

[Frogman]

I started off as a Prost fan after attending the Dutch GP in '84, followed him from McLaren to Ferrari and, finally, Williams. After Prost retired, I stuck with Williams because I liked their philosophy of putting the team before any driver. Additionally, I've always had a soft spot for Ferrari, this became a little less after '96 and espacially '97 because of a personal dislike towards a certain German, but I must say that it's gradually coming back.
Williams will always be my favourite, but I must admit it felt good to see Kimi become WDC last year.

[Gilles4Ever]

Originally posted by JForce
For myself, it's a case of Forza Ferrari. I support Kimi and Felipe every bit as much as I supported Michael before them. Do I think they're as good as him? No.

But it matters not. Whoever is driving a Ferrari gets my full support.

My history is like that of so many Tifosi. As a child, the fast red cars on the street, on tv, in movies, on racetracks, were fascinating. From there it was just a case of the Ferrari marketing doing their job ;)

There are those who became Tifosi when The Dream Team started winning. They are welcome to join us.

And there are those who were Schumacher fans and have stayed with us since. They are welcome to stay.

But there are those who switched when Ferrari started winning again. They deserted the teams they supported through the 80s and 90s, and now call themselves Tifosi. To me they are not welcome.

Because for 21 years we were a **** team. Run badly, we survived on passion alone. And it was horrible supporting them through that time but we did it anyway. And those are real Tifosi.

Just as McLaren fans who are now holding onto going back to the time of Mika and winning a championsip again, or Williams fans who long for the days of 1997 to return.

It's about finding your team, or your driver, and sticking with them. Those who chop and change don't really support anyone.

its pretty much all there.

I have been a Ferrari supporter since I saw my first F1 race in 1977, the red cars and oh that sound. Gilles in a Ferrari cemented the bond.

I have stuck with them through think and thin and Nigel Mansell.

[Buttoneer]

Originally posted by Josta


Rosberg is German. Born in Germany to a German mother, has German citizenship. The only connection to Finland is his father, (who was born in Sweden). I have an Irish mother, but I am still British, not Irish.

But he's definitely not Polish...

Originally posted by Chiara


On the other hand I know alot of British Ferrari fans, who have been fans of the team way before the Schumacher Glory Years, and fell in love with the Marque even when Ferrari were a bit of a shambles actually.

I call bullshit on this. There are not 'a lot' of British Ferrari fans, have you learned nothing from your days on this forum? They are all Hamiltonics in secret and both hate Ferrari and loathe Alonso in equal measure. Not to mention the fact that they all cheered at Silverstone in '99, the bastards. Pfft. British Tifosi indeed...

[Chiara]

Originally posted by Buttoneer
But he's definitely not Polish...
I call bullshit on this. There are not 'a lot' of British Ferrari fans, have you learned nothing from your days on this forum? They are all Hamiltonics in secret and both hate Ferrari and loathe Alonso in equal measure. Not to mention the fact that they all cheered at Silverstone in '99, the bastards. Pfft. British Tifosi indeed...

I can only assume your trying to pull my leg Buttoneer ;) as the other prospect is that you are acting in a rather ungentlemanlike manner and calling me a liar. In which case I bid you adieu and cancel your invite to my summer Barbeque

[kar]

You can have 'summer' bbqs up norf ? :-) Doesn't it just like rain non-stop north of Watford Gap?

Learn sommat new every day

[Schuperman]

Originally posted by sephiroth
I don't want massa to win because it will end up denigrating Schumacher's achievement's in Ferrari.

Why do u think so? IF Massa could win WDC with Ferrari, could you imagine what it likely would in MS' hands. It would only enhance MS' profile. His former lapdog beat the highly touted driver, not only in qualifying as he usually does, but for the whole season. It only shows, Massa is very fast driver, more often than not, faster than Kimi in quals (previously touted as the fastest driver). Only aging MS made him look like a slow driver.

I would love to see Lewis to win WDC. I would like to see this kid to surpass MS' achievements.

[tifosi]

Originally posted by JForce
An unusual opening post.


For myself, it's a case of Forza Ferrari. I support Kimi and Felipe every bit as much as I supported Michael before them. Do I think they're as good as him? No.

But it matters not. Whoever is driving a Ferrari gets my full support.

My history is like that of so many Tifosi. As a child, the fast red cars on the street, on tv, in movies, on racetracks, were fascinating. From there it was just a case of the Ferrari marketing doing their job ;)

There are those who became Tifosi when The Dream Team started winning. They are welcome to join us.

And there are those who were Schumacher fans and have stayed with us since. They are welcome to stay.

But there are those who switched when Ferrari started winning again. They deserted the teams they supported through the 80s and 90s, and now call themselves Tifosi. To me they are not welcome.

Because for 21 years we were a **** team. Run badly, we survived on passion alone. And it was horrible supporting them through that time but we did it anyway. And those are real Tifosi.

Just as McLaren fans who are now holding onto going back to the time of Mika and winning a championsip again, or Williams fans who long for the days of 1997 to return.

It's about finding your team, or your driver, and sticking with them. Those who chop and change don't really support anyone.

Damn, JForce you hit that nail on the head, no since in me writing anything now

[Josta]

Originally posted by kar
You can have 'summer' bbqs up norf ? :-) Doesn't it just like rain non-stop north of Watford Gap?

Learn sommat new every day

Can you barbeque deep fried mars bars?

[tifosi]

Originally posted by kamix
The other fans feel for the sport just as much IMO, but knowing that their driver and team will not win a race the entire year tends to cut out the extreme high/low emotions you are talking about Kar.

I'm sure I will get flamed a lot for this, and yes it is only true of the modern fan, but a large part of tifosi are dressed in red only because they want to show up and see their team/driver win. They aren't Italian, they aren't particularly fond of Schumacher or his teammates (or at least they weren't, originally). They want that temporary rush of feelings more than the rest of us.

I have been a Williams fan since I was young. In fact it also started at the '85 Adelaide GP. But I have to admire the drivers before I can put my full support behind the team. For example I am not very impressed by Rosberg/Wurz/Nakajima, so I am left hanging a bit the past few years. But it is ok because I tend to follow drivers first, teams second.

I supported and felt Ferrari would win every single race in 1988, beat that, LOL

[Chiara]

Originally posted by kar
You can have 'summer' bbqs up norf ? :-) Doesn't it just like rain non-stop north of Watford Gap?

Learn sommat new every day

That's why we all have verandas attached to the side of our houses ;) great for BBQ'ing on when its tipping it down ;)

You know we do even get the odd occasional sunny day

Originally posted by Josta


Can you barbeque deep fried mars bars?

Nah, but I've got a spit big enough to roast Buttoneer on

[Buttoneer]

Originally posted by Chiara

Nah, but I've got a spit big enough to roast Buttoneer on

Been there, done that...

Just ask Max.

[J]

Originally posted by Josta


Rosberg is German. Born in Germany to a German mother, has German citizenship. The only connection to Finland is his father, (who was born in Sweden). I have an Irish mother, but I am still British, not Irish.

Rosberg has a Finnish citizenship also.

-J

[Josta]

Originally posted by J


Rosberg has a Finnish citizenship also.

-J

He should have lost that at age 22.

A Finnish citizen, who has at birth also acquired the citizenship of a contracting state, shall lose his Finnish citizenship on reaching the age set in the agreement of no less than nineteen and no more than twenty-two years, if he has, for the last five years, been permanently resident and domiciled in another contracting state. His child shall simultaneously lose his Finnish citizenship, if he has acquired it through that parent, yet not if the child were to become stateless on that account, or if otherwise provided in the agreement.

[J]

Originally posted by kar J says 'too sad for words', I agree, it's very sad that not everyone gets to feel things so strongly on a Sunday. It's part of what makes this sometimes maddening sport so special. [/B]

I simply find it sad if some people have only distant celebrities to provide them such emotions, instead of friends or family for example..

-J

[kar]

Originally posted by J


I simply find it sad if some people have only distant celebrities to provide them such emotions, instead of friends or family for example..

-J

That's a pretty presumptuous comment J.

You say that as if you believe a person being passionate about a sport and its participants is exclusive of them also having similar feelings about their friends and families.

Clearly, that is nonsense.

[britishtrident]

Confirms the widely held theory that current Ferrari's fan base isn't too far removed from those who buy into the Manchester United brand. They only follow success which crushes all opposition unlike those who follow other teams who enjoy the sport as a whole.


How many of the millions who buy Ferrari expensive merchandise would ever go to watch motorsport at club level ?

[Group B]

I supported them because of MS. I still prefer them to Mac, but as manufacturers go would rather see Bimmer win.

[Chiara]

Originally posted by britishtrident
Confirms the widely held theory that current Ferrari's fan base isn't too far removed from those who buy into the Manchester United brand. They only follow success which crushes all opposition unlike those who follow other teams who enjoy the sport as a whole.


How many of the millions who buy Ferrari expensive merchandise would ever go to watch motorsport at club level ?

So basically your saying if you support Ferrari your not interested in the sport as a whole, whereas if you support another team you are? a bit of a biased sweeping mass generalisation, don't you think?

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Chiara


You know we do even get the odd occasional sunny day

Occasional sunny day I'm sick of the sun! Going back to my 40ish degree hell soon

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Chiara
a bit of a biased sweeping mass generalisation, don't you think?

Isn't that what drives these forums?

[Chiara]

Originally posted by Frogman

Isn't that what drives these forums?

evidently ;) I'll go back to sticking my Manchester United posters up next to the Ferrari ones shall I?

[Mika Mika]

Who are Manchester United never heard of them!?!?!?!

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Mika Mika
Who are Manchester United never heard of them!?!?!?!

i thought the name was manure

[Mika Mika]

I looked it up on wikipedia apparantly they are a soccer team

[noikeee]

Originally posted by Chiara


So basically your saying if you support Ferrari your not interested in the sport as a whole, whereas if you support another team you are? a bit of a biased sweeping mass generalisation, don't you think?

No, he's saying that there's a bigger percentage amongst Ferrari fans of people more interested in winning than in the sport, compared to amongst fans of other teams.

And that seems right to me.

[J]

Originally posted by kar


That's a pretty presumptuous comment J.

You say that as if you believe a person being passionate about a sport and its participants is exclusive of them also having similar feelings about their friends and families.

Clearly, that is nonsense.

Clearly, your post is nonsense. I recommend you read my post again. Note the word "if"

-J

[Mika Mika]

Originally posted by paranoik0


No, he's saying that there's a bigger percentage amongst Ferrari fans of people more interested in winning than in the sport, compared to amongst fans of other teams.

And that seems right to me.

In fairness you can say that about almost any team sport though, not Just Soccer and Formula 1.