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#1 anthony figueiredo

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 02:44

Does anyone know the current location or where abouts of the Lotus 49 chassis #s.Thanks

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#2 Gary C

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 07:03

Yes, I do. Take a look at Michael Oliver's 'Lotus 49' book, it has EVERYTHING you'll ever need to know about the 49's.

#3 Michael Oliver

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 11:29

Originally posted by anthony figueiredo
Does anyone know the current location or where abouts of the Lotus 49 chassis #s.Thanks


Hi Anthony

I guess with your Rhodesian/Zim roots you will be most interested in the cars which raced there, 49/3 and 49/8.

49/3 was the Love car and this is currently in the National Motor Museum at Beaulieu here in England.

49/8 was the Charlton car and this is owned by the Dawson-Damer family in Australia.

Let me know if there is anything specific you would like to know about the cars and I'll do my best to help...

BTW, read your post on the Introduce Yourself thread - what was your father's name? Sounds like he raced some interesting cars...

Michael

#4 anthony figueiredo

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 15:27

Thanks Michael.I really appreciate your response.Do you have and info on the Chevron B16 that belonged to Ron Lupson and was then purchased by Isac Codrin.There was this terrific driver that drove a Lotus Cortina MK1 and his name was Peter Parnell.He would have this car on 3 wheels through the corners on the Marlborough circuit in Rhodesia.Any info on the Glasby brothers who drove the Mini,s who be much appreciated as well.I have some terrific pics but dont know how to post them.?.Thanks Anthony

#5 uwe_sautter

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 08:50

Hi guys,

searching for pics of the following Lotus 49 cars.

Lotus 49-R1 non championship Jarama 1967 Jim Clark no.1
Lotus 49-R3 non championship Jarama 1967 Graham Hill no.3
Lotus 49-R3 GP Germany 1967 Graham Hill no.4
Lotus 49-R4 ROC Brands Hatch 1968 Jo Siffert DNS after accident pre-practice
Lotus 49-R6 Oulton Park 1971 Tony Trimmer no.27
Lotus 49-R7 Inter.National Silverstone 1969 Jo Siffert no.12
Lotus 49-R7 Inter.National Silverstone 1970 Graham Hill no.3
Lotus 49-R7 GP France 1970 Graham Hill no.8

and

all South African Races 1968-1972
John Love, P.Parnell, M.Botha, Dave Charlton, P.de Klerk

thanks for help.

regards
Uwe

#6 rwhitworth

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 13:28

A little bit from 1968 and 1969 here:

http://kyalami.homeip.net/kyalami/

#7 uwe_sautter

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 08:16

Hi all,

anybody infomations or pics from the
Lotus 49-R4 ROC 1968 Jo Siffert DNS after accident in pre-practice?

Thanks
Uwe

#8 uwe_sautter

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 08:18

Hi all,
anybody informations and picsf rom the
Lotus 49-R6 Oulton Park Gold Cup 1971 Tony Trimmer

Thanks for help
Uwe

#9 uwe_sautter

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 08:20

Hi all,
anybody informations and pics from the
Lotus 49-R3 Jarama 1967 Graham Hill non championship race?

Thanks a lot
Uwe

#10 D-Type

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 15:14

Originally posted by uwe_sautter
Hi guys,

searching for pics of the following Lotus 49 cars.

Lotus 49-R1 non championship Jarama 1967 Jim Clark no.1
Lotus 49-R3 non championship Jarama 1967 Graham Hill no.3
Lotus 49-R3 GP Germany 1967 Graham Hill no.4
Lotus 49-R4 ROC Brands Hatch 1968 Jo Siffert DNS after accident pre-practice
Lotus 49-R6 Oulton Park 1971 Tony Trimmer no.27
Lotus 49-R7 Inter.National Silverstone 1969 Jo Siffert no.12
Lotus 49-R7 Inter.National Silverstone 1970 Graham Hill no.3
Lotus 49-R7 GP France 1970 Graham Hill no.8

and

all South African Races 1968-1972
John Love, P.Parnell, M.Botha, Dave Charlton, P.de Klerk

thanks for help.


Originally posted by uwe_sautter

regards
Uwe


Originally posted by uwe_sautter
Hi all,
anybody informations and picsf rom the
Lotus 49-R6 Oulton Park Gold Cup 1971 Tony Trimmer

Thanks for help
Uwe


Originally posted by uwe_sautter
Hi all,

anybody infomations or pics from the
Lotus 49-R4 ROC 1968 Jo Siffert DNS after accident in pre-practice?

Thanks
Uwe


Originally posted by uwe_sautter
Hi all,
anybody informations and pics from the
Lotus 49-R3 Jarama 1967 Graham Hill non championship race?

Thanks a lot
Uwe


Can I ask a few questions please:

1. Is there any need to raise four threads on what is essentially the same topic?
2. Have you got Michael Oliver's book on the Lotus 49? I haven't, but I think it will answer some of your questions
3. Why are you asking?
4. What efforts have you already made to obtain this information
5. Are you trying to get the good members of this forum to do your research for you? For free!
6. I have had a look at your previous postings and cannot find any where you offer any information, but I have found several where you seek it. Have you ever given anybody information they are seeking?

This is a forum of enthusiasts of the history of the sport. There are many knowledgeable people here. But, as was said here before by another member: it is not somewhere that knowledge is available by turning a tap.

I don't have answers to your questions. If I did, I would be far more willing to respond to a post that said
"Hi all,
Can you please help me with information for [whatever project it is with a few details]. I have already researched [whatever you have - books, magazines, websites] but I still need the following information [and give specific queries]"

Edited by D-Type, 23 June 2009 - 09:53.


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Posted 22 March 2009 - 11:01

Thanks, Duncan.

Threads now merged.

#12 Allen Brown

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 17:16

A trifle unfair Duncan. As recently as 2005, he published some photos with a large Schlegelmilch copyright message on them. He doesn't always just ask for information.

Like you, I couldn't see a time when he'd tried to help anyone else.

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#13 CLR

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 12:24

On the topic of Lotus 49 generally.
What is the background to the reputed Lotus 49 tub that was unsold on Ebay a few weeks back ??

Kevin Whittle

#14 Michael Oliver

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 21:20

Originally posted by CLR
On the topic of Lotus 49 generally.
What is the background to the reputed Lotus 49 tub that was unsold on Ebay a few weeks back ??

Kevin Whittle


When was this? I must have missed it - although it has been up for sale on and off for three or four years I would guess.

I have a pretty shrewd idea as to its origins but I wouldn't be prepared to say so publicly. Needless to say it is completely bogus and 100% non-original... caveat emptor!

#15 PeterElleray

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 21:42

Originally posted by Michael Oliver


When was this? I must have missed it - although it has been up for sale on and off for three or four years I would guess.

I have a pretty shrewd idea as to its origins but I wouldn't be prepared to say so publicly. Needless to say it is completely bogus and 100% non-original... caveat emptor!


michael - is this what we discussed a month or two back?

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#16 CLR

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 08:33

The Lotus 49 tub was being sold on ebay by gt40gordy.
The item went unsold on 26th January 2009.

The buy it now price was £50k including a core Cosworth DFV

Kevin Whittle

#17 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 26 March 2009 - 18:13

Don't forget this one too:-

http://web4.pistonhe.....aulieu Museum

#18 Michael Oliver

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Posted 26 March 2009 - 22:23

Originally posted by PeterElleray


michael - is this what we discussed a month or two back?

peter


Yes, most probably!

#19 Michael Oliver

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Posted 26 March 2009 - 22:39

Originally posted by CLR
The Lotus 49 tub was being sold on ebay by gt40gordy.
The item went unsold on 26th January 2009.

The buy it now price was £50k including a core Cosworth DFV

Kevin Whittle


If you put in "Lotus 49" and "GT40gordy" to Google it comes up with rather a lot of attempts to sell this tub. When I contacted the guy several years ago he offered it to me for considerably less than £50K with a Cosworth DFX engine. He is convinced it is genuine but I am not - let's just leave it at that shall we! If there was a spare tub, Colin Chapman would have built it up and used it or sold it, things like that simply didn't hang around unused, in period at least.

However, I have little doubt that someone, somewhere will see an opportunity in this deal but they will be in for a nasty shock if it is the collection of panels I think it is!

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#20 PeterElleray

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 00:31

Originally posted by Michael Oliver


Yes, most probably!

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#21 Doug Nye

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 09:14

This sounds like the bosh-shot at fabricating a replica 49 tub which was skinned in error with soft aluminium sheet. When an outfit which knew what it was doing pointed out the error, they constructed a replacement replica tub in the correct material - and the bosh-shot became redundant. If this is the tub in question it's only really any good as a show-piece, or a flower pot - or perhaps best-advisedly as salvage to recover the aluminium. To assess its value would be pretty simple. Just weigh it. What's today's price for the material per pound? Sorry - kilogramme.

Not a lot in the current climate.

DCN

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 10:30

Originally posted by Doug Nye
This sounds like the bosh-shot at fabricating a replica 49 tub which was skinned in error with soft aluminium sheet. When an outfit which knew what it was doing pointed out the error, they constructed a replacement replica tub in the correct material - and the bosh-shot became redundant. If this is the tub in question it's only really any good as a show-piece, or a flower pot - or perhaps best-advisedly as salvage to recover the aluminium. To assess its value would be pretty simple. Just weigh it. What's today's price for the material per pound? Sorry - kilogramme.

Not a lot in the current climate.

DCN


yeah dont i know it.. (collapse of 'core' metal trading business brought Embassy Racing down last sept. *)

the pics i've seen were a set of panels not assembled into a tub - did they get as far as becoming a structure?

* - the sports car team, not Graham Hill's ...

#23 Mark A

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 07:06

Don't forget this one too:-

http://web4.pistonhe.....aulieu Museum


That's the one that got damaged during the Silverstone Classic Media day recently isn't it?


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#24 Giraffe

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 08:52

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By giraffe138 at 2009-02-07

..........or is it "Doug's 49" that seems to get trashed every few years by someone with little experience of driving it?!?!

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By giraffe138 at 2009-02-07

........here being driven by Tony Merrick at Donington in 1991. (Not trashed on that occasion!)

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#25 Doug Nye

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 20:25

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..........or is it "Doug's 49" that seems to get trashed every few years by someone with little experience of driving it?!?![/quote]

Oh for.... !!!!!%$£&^*£"!**!!

Ted told me about this last week. I am on the National Motor Museum's Advisory Council. Having heard no word from the NMM I thought they were attempting - for public consumption - to keep this quiet. Seeing these photographs frankly sickens me.

Now I'm a big boy. I have become hardened to various adversities. But the last time 'R3' was smashed to pieces and I first saw the wreckage I actually shed a tear.

Same driver this time, I understand.

What can I say? I am glad he emerged unhurt...
:evil:

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Edited by Doug Nye, 12 May 2009 - 20:31.


#26 2F-001

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 20:34

Twice? Now that would be embarrassing.
If that were me I think I'd quit while I was behind...

#27 Gary C

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 20:45

Put it like this, Doug; I have a current race licence. I would like to volunteer myservices the next time R3 is due to be run.
I assure you I would bring it back in one piece.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 20:59

Put it like this, Doug; I have a current race licence. I would like to volunteer myservices the next time R3 is due to be run.
I assure you I would bring it back in one piece.


Uh-huh - but why bother with what's left of the real one? When it went from my orbit to Beaulieu, 'R3' was without doubt the most original surviving car. Once I get the full SP I will - or may - report back.*

DCN

*Unless I'm in jail...

Edited by Doug Nye, 12 May 2009 - 21:00.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 21:04

*Unless I'm in jail...

If Mr Hill's got any sense, he'll have emigrated by now ...


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 21:10

If Mr Hill's got any sense, he'll have emigrated by now ...


"Taxi for Hill!" ...............or Ambulance..................... :rolleyes:


#31 Doug Nye

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 10:11

I am assured the tub is OK - damage confined to left-side suspension items, tyres, wheels and exhaust manifolding only. Focus upon the glad tidings - 'R3' lives.


DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 13 May 2009 - 10:13.


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Posted 13 May 2009 - 10:15

I am assured the tub is OK - damage confined to left-side suspension items, tyres, wheels and exhaust manifolding only. Focus upon the glad tidings - 'R3' lives.


DCN


.......and just when he'd got his full No Claims Bonus back.............. :well:


#33 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 11:19

So who was driving at Silverstone?

#34 Doug Nye

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 11:50

So who was driving at Silverstone?


49 R3


#35 Giraffe

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 11:53

49 R3


I think he means who was the passenger Doug? ;)


#36 Ruairidh

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 13:07

Also what happened, the photos seem to show a spin on the start straight?

Edited by Ruairidh, 13 May 2009 - 13:07.


#37 Gary C

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 13:33

Easy, too much welly coming out of the complex. We've ALL done that!! lol

#38 Giraffe

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 13:59

So who was driving at Silverstone?


I think Doug did mention the name of the fellow who crashed it the first time on an earlier thread; I gather he had little experience of such a car and IIRC hit a patch of damp road, and thereafter a rather unforgiving tree. Now if it's the same chap again, and I find it difficult to believe that he would be allowed anywhere near the car, let alone back into the cockpit, I think it's best his identity is kept a closely guarded secret. They may be able to hold Doug back, but a whole mob of TNF'rs, I don't think so...................... :mad:


#39 Tim Murray

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 16:15

Type 'R3' and 'Doug Nye' into the search engine and you can find out. He shares a surname with three F1 World Champions, and a first name with one of the world's leading motor sport historians.

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#40 Doug Nye

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 18:37

Enough bashing - he's inconsolable. Tootling carefully round, changed up from 3rd to 4th after Woodcote but found 1st instead, locking the rear wheels with a bit of sideload still on. Anywhere else at Silverstone there are yawning acres. Here, there was the pit wall.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 18:46

Doug,

Sorry for posting the pics if they were trying to keep it low key but as it happened at the Media day I assumed it was public knowledge, quite a few people have already seen the whole sequence of pics on the Lotus forum anyway.

Perhaps I should have posted a couple of the after pics as well to calm the nerves as they show what looks like suspension damage only and a lack of damage to the tub.

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#42 Giraffe

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 07:05

Type 'R3' and 'Doug Nye' into the search engine and you can find out. He shares a surname with three F1 World Champions, and a first name with one of the world's leading motor sport historians.


Doesn't find it for me Tim, not that I really need it, and having seen it before. But it does beg the question, why on earth was he in the car??? I mean my granny could have done better! I don't recall him ever competing in anything, let alone a Cosworth V8 powered single seater! Any clues??? :well:


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Posted 23 June 2009 - 05:09

Nice hurling of the gloves shot in that first pic - I do like a good hurl!

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 22:12

Nice hurling of the gloves shot in that first pic - I do like a good hurl!


I thought it showed a bit of disdain towards the car - no class that man!!

(Sorry Doug!!)

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 19:58

Rob Hall gave the 49 a quick spin around Mallory on Wednesday morning, well, not a spin, just a steady run without hitting anything...... It looked and sounded fantastic.

#46 Pullman99

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 10:03

I was at Beaulieu last Friday. Great to see Lotus 49 R3 restored to health and back on display. :)







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Posted 13 June 2010 - 10:03

I was at Beaulieu last Friday. Great to see Lotus 49 R3 restored to health and back on display. :)

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