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[Dick_Dastardly]

Does the Alonso v Hamilton rivalry have the potential to be just as bitter as Senna v Prost? Given the public declarations that both have made and the in-fighting which went on Mclaren last year it is clear that there is still a great deal of personal dislike between the two. In addition, Alonso still harbours some lingering resentment towards Hamilton given by his recent declarations:

http://www.gazzetta....raikkonen.shtml

If anything he seems desperate for anybody other than Hamilton to be crowned WDC going by his prediction that this years championship will be decided in the second half of the season between Massa and Kimi.

[Fatgadget]

Nothing tops the Senna vs Prost handbags at dawn spate ! Next Piquet and Mansel. Maybe there where other rivalries before I dunno. I really dont think Ham vs Alonso really has any personal venom in it.

[Crazy Ninja]

Well Google translate isnt my friend but from what it spat out it seemed like alonso was just saying he though Ferrari were in the beter position for the rest of the season.

As for Alonso and Hamilton, i dont think their rivalry is as big a deal as some people believe. IMO Alonso had a bigger problem with the Mclaren management than Lewis himself. Of course they had their disagreements i.e. U.s. and Hungary, but the bigger issue was how Mclaren had treated Alonso. Both drivers have commented on it this year and said they get on fine with each other.

OTOH it would be nice to see a genuine rivalry for once. F1 is all too nice these days. Only Kimi has shown any aggression and that was seriously misplaced.

[windoesnot]

heres a few in no particular order:

Gilles / Pironi: Tragically short lived but very bitter after the 82 San Marino GP. Gilles was fuming with the result.

Jones / Reutemann: Williams team mates who didnt like team orders, or each others.

Senna / Prost: No comments needed

Piquet / Senna: Many forget that these 2 couldnt stand each other, especially after comments Nelson made to the Brazilian press about Senna.

Hill / Schumacher: The only somewhat heated rivialy in the mid 90's, Schumacher usually having the edge over Hill, had some memorable clashes on track.

Hamilton / Alonso: Not saying anything, could cause fanboy slavering all over the BB!

[Atreiu]

Don't forget McLaren vs Ferrari.

[Ricardo F1]

[mach1na]

If Alonso goes to Ferrari this could very well be up there in the F1 Rivalries list.

I like the idea that Alonso has a personal vendetta against Mclaren and that will play out well with the Ferrari v Mclaren canon.

[Garagiste]

You also left out Mansell Vs Everybody who was out to get him!

[stairpotato]

I guess you could have Hunt v Patrese but that wasn't a rivarly so much as one (Hunt) hating the other's guts.....

[Blythy]

I don't think senna was bitter at who he was racing.

Just the actual rival.

hence the comment "Now you know why I am such a bastard, I don't want anyone to feel this way" (said to mansell on the podium after he had won the WDC)

[Orin]

I think Alonso's trying for the triple whammy:

- saying sweet things about Ferrari
- making clear that the two current drivers are failures if the Scuderia doesn't win the WDC
- giving a bone to keep the Spanish media happy (bitchslap to Jamilton! Jajajajaja!)

If Alonso does get the Ferrari seat we might be in for a few classic seasons of F1.

[noikeee]

Last year did bring back lots of memories of Prost vs Senna, I'd like to see some sort of rematch, even if in different teams. Like 1990 with a better ending.

But the rivalry could fade along time, if they don't get to fight against each other for a championship soon.

I do agree that Alonso had more of a problem with McLaren than with Hamilton, but give them an opportunity for it to escalate.

[MichaelPM]

Alonso and McLaren bosses is the only current or recent real rivalry. Was never any real bad blood between him and Kimi or Schumacher during championship challenges, only the fans would have handbags at dawn. Possibly before that it would have been Montoya and McLaren bosses, then before that the next nearest would be...Prost and Honda.

Drivers tend to be less bothered about other drivers to really hold a grudge. The Alonso - Hamilton is a one way street with only Hamilton getting bothered by and attacking Alonso if you want to go by reality instead of fanboys and british tabloids.

[aportinga]

Originally posted by Garagiste
You also left out Mansell Vs Everybody who was out to get him!

Funny how I do not think you'd ever catch Berger on one of these...

[Suntrek]

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Alonso and McLaren bosses is the only current or recent real rivalry. Was never any real bad blood between him and Kimi or Schumacher during championship challenges, only the fans would have handbags at dawn. Possibly before that it would have been Montoya and McLaren bosses, then before that the next nearest would be...Prost and Honda.

Drivers tend to be less bothered about other drivers to really hold a grudge. The Alonso - Hamilton is a one way street with only Hamilton getting bothered by and attacking Alonso if you want to go by reality instead of fanboys and british tabloids.

Very much agree with that - press may want spectacular "rivalries" to sell newspapers but in the real F1 world things are a bit more hmm....dull. Or down-to-earth if you prefer it. Thankfully.

[noikeee]

Originally posted by MichaelPM
The Alonso - Hamilton is a one way street with only Hamilton getting bothered by and attacking Alonso if you want to go by reality instead of fanboys and british tabloids.

Riiiiiiight. The "reality" is that one guy is really affected by whole deal, and the other isn't. It's just a complete coincidence that the guy you support is the cool one, and the guy who you don't support is the idiot. According to the official authority on "reality". Everyone who has a different opinion must be a fanboy.

[Suntrek]

Originally posted by paranoik0


Riiiiiiight. The "reality" is that one guy is really affected by whole deal, and the other isn't. It's just a complete coincidence that the guy you support is the cool one, and the guy who you don't support is the idiot. According to the official authority on "reality". Everyone who has a different opinion must be a fanboy.

No one is an idiot. Neither Alonso nor Hamilton. But the press likes to twist things into getting us thinking one of them is. Capisce?

[MichaelPM]

Originally posted by paranoik0


Riiiiiiight. The "reality" is that one guy is really affected by whole deal, and the other isn't. It's just a complete coincidence that the guy you support is the cool one, and the guy who you don't support is the idiot. According to the official authority on "reality". Everyone who has a different opinion must be a fanboy.

Ok explain how Alonso only lashed out at McLaren publicly while Hamilton would take every opportunity to attack Alonso through the press? I'll help you out with the answer, Hamilton is 100% loyal to McLaren and as such attacks Alonso for attacking his team...

[noikeee]

Originally posted by Suntrek


No one is an idiot. Neither Alonso nor Hamilton. But the press likes to twist things into getting us thinking one of them is. Capisce?

Can't disagree with that.

[noikeee]

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Ok explain how Alonso only lashed out at McLaren publicly while Hamilton would take every opportunity to attack Alonso through the press? I'll help you out with the answer, Hamilton is 100% loyal to McLaren and as such attacks Alonso for attacking his team...

I don't want to answer that because it would bring back a very long and tiring debate. I just thought it was funny that you'd call the people you don't agree with "fanboys", while presenting a very 1-sided view yourself.

I want the Alonso-Hamilton rivalry back not because of this sort of annoying crap, but because those two guys can be scarily committed and awesome to watch when battling against each other. That side-by-side moment at Eau Rouge is still one of the most epic things I've ever seen in F1.

[Suntrek]

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Ok explain how Alonso only lashed out at McLaren publicly while Hamilton would take every opportunity to attack Alonso through the press? I'll help you out with the answer, Hamilton is 100% loyal to McLaren and as such attacks Alonso for attacking his team...

Hamilto wasn't loyal to his team at all in 2007, he even brought upon them a FIA investigation thanks to his moaning! (Monaco) and he wasn't loýal in Hungary either, breaking the aforedecided team strategy like it became him naught. Is that team loyalty? I think not. This year he'll probably be loyal up to the point of boot-licking though, because now he's finally got what he wanted (# 1 status)

That said, we all know Alonso is painted out as the bad boy in Brit press and of course Hamilton can take advantage of that if needed. In Brit press. Brit press (at least parts of it I better say to be fair because not all are like that) has very little to do with the real world, though.

[Galko877]

Originally posted by Crazy Ninja

As for Alonso and Hamilton, i dont think their rivalry is as big a deal as some people believe. IMO Alonso had a bigger problem with the Mclaren management than Lewis himself. Of course they had their disagreements i.e. U.s. and Hungary, but the bigger issue was how Mclaren had treated Alonso. Both drivers have commented on it this year and said they get on fine with each other.

Didn't Prost also claim his problem was not Senna but how McLaren treated him in 1989?

I think Alonso-Hamilton is has many similarities with Prost-Senna.

[Orin]

Originally posted by paranoik0


Riiiiiiight. The "reality" is that one guy is really affected by whole deal, and the other isn't. It's just a complete coincidence that the guy you support is the cool one, and the guy who you don't support is the idiot. According to the official authority on "reality". Everyone who has a different opinion must be a fanboy.

Fanboi reality explained.

[MichaelPM]

Originally posted by Galko877


Didn't Prost also claim his problem was not Senna but how McLaren treated him in 1989?

I think Alonso-Hamilton is has many similarities with Prost-Senna.

Yep, although it was Honda giving Senna a mechanical advantage.

[Nitropower]

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Ok explain how Alonso only lashed out at McLaren publicly while Hamilton would take every opportunity to attack Alonso through the press? I'll help you out with the answer, Hamilton is 100% loyal to McLaren and as such attacks Alonso for attacking his team...

Not exactly, the attacks were more than likely meant to gain favoritism and put the team even more against Alonso.

[Mila]

Pete Aron vs. Scott Stoddard

ran him off the track and then slept with his wife.

[SeanValen]

Hamilton vs Alonso lasted one season, and that is tragic, we needed 2 seasons at least. Then again maybe we were lucky we got one season.

[Nitropower]

We need more seasons like that, currently there is no rivalry like theirs. Anyone vs Hamilton and anyone vs Alonso is not such a fierce battle as Alonso vs Hamilton, they have some pending issues.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by Nitropower
We need more seasons like that, currently there is no rivalry like theirs. Anyone vs Hamilton and anyone vs Alonso is not such a fierce battle as Alonso vs Hamilton, they have some pending issues.

I'm not even a Alonso fan, but man I wish he was at Mclaren, 2007 was so entertaining because of Mclaren choosing Hamilton to Partner Alonso, Alonso didn't think that would happen, but it was interesting, we could of done without the cheating spy thing, but having those 2 in the same team was just interesting to see.

Ron Dennis under pressure, Alonso under pressure, Hamilton under pressure late in the season, it was a cooker boiler. Senna vs Senna like someone said in a thread once.

[Clatter]

Originally posted by Nitropower
We need more seasons like that, currently there is no rivalry like theirs. Anyone vs Hamilton and anyone vs Alonso is not such a fierce battle as Alonso vs Hamilton, they have some pending issues.

I don't believe they really have any issues, although they might not be best of friends. It's just that its so rare to have 2 as near as damn it equally matched teammates. The tension was heightened by the fact LH was a rookie, and I'm sure FA, (as did the majority of people if they are honest) thought he wouldnt really be troubled by him.

[ex Rhodie racer]

You can only really have that sort of rivalry if they are sitting in equal machinery. At the moment the scale is 100% tipped in Hamiltons favor. Lets wait and see how it pans out. It certainly has the potential to be a great rivalry.

[Oversteer1]

Although backmarkers, Rubhino vs. Benson Jutton and DC vs. his latest crash victim!

chow!

[JacnGille]

Originally posted by Mila
Pete Aron vs. Scott Stoddard

ran him off the track and then slept with his wife.

[Fatgadget]

Originally posted by Mila
Pete Aron vs. Scott Stoddard

ran him off the track and then slept with his wife.

Bugger me...Did he trod on his brand new racing boots too ?

[Nitropower]

Originally posted by Clatter


I don't believe they really have any issues, although they might not be best of friends. It's just that its so rare to have 2 as near as damn it equally matched teammates. The tension was heightened by the fact LH was a rookie, and I'm sure FA, (as did the majority of people if they are honest) thought he wouldnt really be troubled by him.

They played dirty on each other (Hungary, Spa, Monaco), they fought real hard for every position, Hamilton felt the inner need to pass Alonso whenever he was close (see Brazil when the WDC was at stake), Hamilton talked about Alonso in the media many times and not in a positive way....

I think it's not risky to say they don't like each other and still feel they have some issues to solve sooner or later. I think they loathe each other since they represent the biggest threat for the other one.

[Craven Morehead]

Mosely vs News of the World

[Atreiu]

Originally posted by Nitropower


They played dirty on each other (Hungary, Spa, Monaco), they fought real hard for every position, Hamilton felt the inner need to pass Alonso whenever he was close (see Brazil when the WDC was at stake), Hamilton talked about Alonso in the media many times and not in a positive way....

I think it's not risky to say they don't like each other and still feel they have some issues to solve sooner or later. I think they loathe each other since they represent the biggest threat for the other one.

Deep inside I think they hate each other too.

[TheD2JBug]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1

It's funny cause it's true ....

[Bernd Rosemeyer]

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Yep, although it was Honda giving Senna a mechanical advantage.

I don't think that was ever established beyond any doubt.

[bankoq]

Originally posted by TheD2JBug


It's funny cause it's true ....

It's starting again. Please ignore him.

[prxty]

Originally posted by Orin
I think Alonso's trying for the triple whammy:

- saying sweet things about Ferrari
- making clear that the two current drivers are failures if the Scuderia doesn't win the WDC
- giving a bone to keep the Spanish media happy (bitchslap to Jamilton! Jajajajaja!)

If Alonso does get the Ferrari seat we might be in for a few classic seasons of F1.

Oh my God. I have to agree with Orin.

[pingu666]

max vs everyone?

[alg7_munif]

Max vs Ron actually, not everyone, at least not Ferrari.

[Fatgadget]

Originally posted by pingu666
max vs everyone?

I think Paul Stodart really despises Max Mosley.I mean realy!.

[Kenaltgr]

Originally posted by Bernd Rosemeyer


I don't think that was ever established beyond any doubt.

It wasn't but Prost had to have an excuse for getting beaten. His excuse for Senna beating him so many times in 1993 was he didn't like the clutch in his Williams supercar.

[Andrew Ford &F1]

Originally posted by windoesnot
heres a few in no particular order:

Gilles / Pironi: Tragically short lived but very bitter after the 82 San Marino GP. Gilles was fuming with the result.

Jones / Reutemann: Williams team mates who didnt like team orders, or each others.

Senna / Prost: No comments needed

Piquet / Senna: Many forget that these 2 couldnt stand each other, especially after comments Nelson made to the Brazilian press about Senna.

Hill / Schumacher: The only somewhat heated rivialy in the mid 90's, Schumacher usually having the edge over Hill, had some memorable clashes on track.

Hamilton / Alonso: Not saying anything, could cause fanboy slavering all over the BB!

IMHO Jacques Villeneuve / Michael Schumacher could be added, the Canadian was really angry with the German after the Jerez clash.

Jacques / Montoya. They seldom met on track, as the Canadian did not have the car to keep up with the Colombian, but the two had a fiery conversation during one of the press-conferences ahead of the Canadian GP (could someone tell me what year that was: 2001 or 2002?)

Jacques / Ralf. Ralf said a lot of bad things about Villeneuve to the press.

Montoya / Schumacher (both Ralf and Michael) That was a family affair!!!

Eddie Irvine / DC. These two never liked each other, and therefore never missed an opportunity to have a go at the other one.

Anyway, drivers usually do not like each other...

[TheD2JBug]

Originally posted by bankoq


It's starting again. Please ignore him.

oh my ****ing god grow a sense of humor, That commerical is funny cause of the Hakkinen bit in the sauna .