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[Rosemayer]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
I fully understand John's viewpoint as an owner of valuable cars.

However as a spectator and enthusiast who is constantly worried about my safety at the event, perhaps they should just move the barriers back everywhere by another 100 feet, like Coram at Snett is now, add another four layers of tyre wall, with gravel infront, put in high steel safety fences all the way around, like at Indianapolis. All cars (however old) must have a roll over bar at least 2 feet higher than the drivers head and all cars should be driven at 75% of the cars potential with rev limiters to ensure they don't go too fast. All open wheel cars must have bumpers around the wheels. Overtaking should be strictly forbidden as it is dangerous and all spectators must sign an imdemnity when they come in, as accidents can occasionally happen. Spectators are forbidden within the inner paddock as cars are warmed up in there and some are actually driven between the crowds. If Goodwood was to do this now it would save H&SE enforcing it on them at a later stage.

Will this be the scenario in 10 years time? Sounds appealing to me, can't wait to go.

It really does not matter what is done to the track or the cars the problem is the bloody drivers jumping into their cars and leaving their bloody brains in the pits.

[john ruston]

That last thread sums up the situation.
More space gives you room to keep out of the way.
There is usually one prat in each race.

[Doug Nye]

Perhaps - from such an expert background - providing his name and address might be a step in the right direction...?

DCN

[john ruston]

Have no problem giving you the names in our short sojourn to Goodwood.

[rbm]

Originally posted by Claudio Navonne
More photos again:



I hope you like them.

love the period feel of the background

[Mal9444]

Originally posted by rbm


love the period feel of the background

Nice point, even if your tongue was in your cheek, Richard.

There must be plenty of other fields nearby, outside the pre-67 cordon sanitaire, where helicopters could come and go. Our friends with the US Army Jeeps could run a shuttle service (although their presence is something of a curiosity in itself - while US pilots probably flew from Westhampnet I don't believe there was a US Army presence there during or after the War). It would not solve the anomaly of permitting post-67 aircraft on the in-field, but it would be a start. Lord March is in so many other respects such an uncompromising stickler for detail that he might think it a good idea.

Who flies-in in these helicopters anyway? Sponsors? Drivers? Wealthy GRRC members? I know that there are some operators who run services to and from the Revival. I did once, briefly, contemplate booking one, to beat the traffic and so that I could partake of the occasional glass of sherbet while there. IIRC it was £1,200 each way! I drove, and drank fizzy water.

[simon drabble]

several drivers chopper in including those with nearby estate's - shame on them! Your answer of the jeeps would be an obvious one.
Nice photograph of Tony Brooks and his wife. I was fortunate enough to go to a lunch on Thursday of Goodwood where he was the guest speaker. What a wonderfully modest man.

[Red Socks]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
My suspicion is that you don't really mean that, Andrew.

My suspicion is that this is precisely what it will come to.

[Barry Boor]

[Phil Rainford]

Jochen Mass incident now posted on YouTube...



Kind regards

Phil

[stephen green]

You can see how slowly and gently we were in lifting the car and freeing Jochen.

[Barry Boor]

Geez, that was scary!

I'm so pleased that Jochen was not seriously damaged - and not a little surprised, either. (Me that is, but probably Jochen too.)

[Doug Nye]

Just to provide some illuminating definitive information on the Mass incident, I have just had a chance to review two separate video feeds which recorded the entire roll-over and subsequent driver extrication from beginning to end.

The actual elapsed time between the moment of impact with the bank which was followed by the Lancia-Ferrari overturning, to the marshals and Barrie lifting the car and Barrie effectively dragging Jochen clear from the cockpit, is no more than 47 seconds.

Hold your breath for 47 seconds and it feels like an eternity. I believe that it most definitely felt that way to Jochen himself. Many of the spectators in the chicane area complained that his extrication seemed to take an eternity.

But, while it could perhaps have been even quicker, just 47 seconds between initial impact and extrication does not in fact seem too shabby...?

DCN

[Jack-the-Lad]

Originally posted by Doug Nye


The actual elapsed time between the moment of impact with the bank which was followed by the Lancia-Ferrari overturning, to the marshals and Barrie lifting the car and Barrie effectively dragging Jochen clear from the cockpit, is no more than 47 seconds.

Hold your breath for 47 seconds and it feels like an eternity. I believe that it most definitely felt that way to Jochen himself. Many of the spectators in the chicane area complained that his extrication seemed to take an eternity.

But, while it could perhaps have been even quicker, just 47 seconds between initial impact and extrication does not in fact seem too shabby...?

DCN

Thanks for that new information. I'd say that 47 seconds from impact to recovery is damned good. Well done to those involved!

Jack

[drivers71]

Sorry it's taken me so long, but here are my photos from The 2008 Goodwood Revival.
A truly amazing three days of nostalgia, thrills, spills and sunshine.
The full set can be viewed at:
http://photobucket.c...71-2008-Revival

Difficult for me to select just a few from a most gorgeous array of mighty cars, but here goes:

FRIDAY – Ferrari 250GT SWB ‘Breadvan’ - Claudia Hurtgen/Max Werner



SATURDAY – Ferrari 206SP Dino – Carlos Monteverdi. Delighted winner of the Madgwick Cup



SUNDAY – The amazing Shuttleworth Speed Demon



SUNDAY – Lancia-Ferrari D50A – Jochen Mass



Now I'm going on holiday

[Claudio Navonne]

NIce pics!!
Thanks,
Claudio

[Mal9444]

With nothing better on telly last evening I watched again my vhs of the first Goodwood Revival and looked again at the picture on the cover. It is Farina, I think, in a Maserati – but taken where? Not at Goodwood, surely? He’s on a left-hander, which at Goodwood can mean only St Mary’s – and from the photographer’s angle one would see behind a car in such an attitude at St Mary’s only the in-field, not a bank with spectators.



Apologies if this was noticed and all discussed at the time - I've done a search and come up with nothing.

[frogeye59]

I see what you mean, I had a huge poster of this on my wall for years and didnt notice.

The other left is the flick leaving the chicane, it would be an unusual angle admittedly but could the spectators be in the area between where Mass had his accident and the Marshall's post ??

The other thing is that printers often flip photo's if they think them more esthetically pleasing that way.

And of course it could just not be Goodwood, which would be a surprise, but hey if Blue Peter can mislead, who knows........

[Adam F]

Originally posted by Mal9444
With nothing better on telly last evening I watched again my vhs of the first Goodwood Revival and looked again at the picture on the cover. It is Farina, I think, in a Maserati – but taken where? Not at Goodwood, surely?

Mal,

It IS Farina, in a Maserati 4CLT/48, and it IS Goodwood, taken at the Whit Meeting on 14th May 1951.
Sorry, I can't help as to at what part of the track it was taken at.

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by frogeye59
The other thing is that printers often flip photo's if they think them more esthetically pleasing that way

If that's the case they've done a very good job adding the exhaust-pipes to the correct side

[frogeye59]

Err ...yes very true .. DOH !

[Paul Jeffrey]

It may not be a left turn as cars in those days used to drift. It looks a bit like Lavant Straight or St Mary's. Surely DCN would know?

I saw a new camera advertised tthe other day that has a GPS feature, meaning that you can pinpoint your picture ocations very precisely. Unfortuantely not available in 1951.

[Roger Clark]

The picture appears in Track Pass, the collection of Geoff Goddard photos. It was taken from the outside of the circuit at St. Mary's - assuming that the caption writer knows anything, of course.

[Mal9444]

Originally posted by Roger Clark
The picture appears in Track Pass, the collection of Geoff Goddard photos. It was taken from the outside of the circuit at St. Mary's - assuming that the caption writer knows anything, of course.

Roger.
That's the point. Where can you stand on the outside of the circuit, by definition looking in, at St Mary's and, even with telephoto foreshortening, get a bank with spectators in the background? And even if standing on the infield, the bank in the picture is much too close to the road (which is going the wrong way) compared with where the bank is in relation to the road at St Mary's.

I don't think it can be the flick out of the chicane. The only place near there one could get the car and the road in that juxtaposition would be standing on what they now call the Richmond Lawn - and from that angle the bank is, again, much further away, the ground is higher and - today - one has the Chicane Grandstand in the background, although I don't know if in 1951 they had a chicane grandstand.

And where there, or indeed anywhere at Goodwood, do you stand on a bank on the outside of the circuit looking over your RIGHTshoulder, as all the people in the photo are doing, at a car that has already gone past you? In relation to spectating from the outside of the track at Goodwood, the cars ALWAYS go from right to left, do they not?, no matter where one is.


Unless they ran the early races anti-clockwise, which I have never heard before and which happened at Goodwood, I believe, only for things like the Morris Minor endurance drive, I question whether it is actually Goodwood at all, not withstanding the caption writer's assertion.

[Adam F]

Originally posted by Mal9444
I question whether it is actually Goodwood at all, not withstanding the caption writer's assertion.

So Doug Nye and Geoff Goddard and many others are all wrong?
Where else did Farina race that 4CLT with a race number 1?

[Mal9444]

Originally posted by Adam F

So Doug Nye and Geoff Goddard and many others are all wrong?
Where else did Farina race that 4CLT with a race number 1?

So where at Goodwood was the picture taken?

[Eric Dunsdon]

I have been studying that picture again in 'The Glory Of Goodwood' book and I dont see that it can have been taken anywhere other than from the inside of St Mary's. The numbers of 'spectators' in the background are very few by 1950' standards and there are also cars parked just behind them which I dont remember being possible in any of the public enclosures at Goodwood. I can recall people standing on the infield just at the entry to St Mary's which is about where they would have been in the picture. I only wish that I'd been one of them!.

[Kpy]

Originally posted by Eric Dunsdon
I have been studying that picture again in 'The Glory Of Goodwood' book and I dont see that it can have been taken anywhere other than from the inside of St Mary's. The numbers of 'spectators' in the background are very few by 1950' standards and there are also cars parked just behind them which I dont remember being possible in any of the public enclosures at Goodwood. I can recall people standing on the infield just at the entry to St Mary's which is about where they would have been in the picture. I only wish that I'd been one of them!.

Precisely. You only have to look at the other photos in the Goodwood section of Track Pass to see what enormous crowds of spectators there were.
The caption to the photo of Moss in the Ferrari 250GT on pages 34/35 of Track Pass includes the words "I was standing in virtually the same place from which I had shot the Farina Maserati picture on page 27 10 years earlier …."

[Mal9444]

Thank you, one and all. It can be the only explanation: in the very early days spectators were not only allowed on the in-field, but could even park their cars there, and the photographer is where one would expect him to be: on the outside of the circuit (i.e. on the inside of the St Mary's curve). Elfin Safety clearly did not exist in 1951 - there is another picture in Glory of Goodwood (p137) taken in 1959 at about the same spot and although there is now no bank (on the outside of the curve) there are one or two people standing watching, a car parked and what appears to be a cattle pen there.

Track Pass, I regret to say, I do not have.

[Racer.Demon]

It's a strange sensation to see the 2008 thread coming up again while being busy making 2009 arrangements, and finding out that pre-66 parking on Lavant Bank is sold out for Saturday and Sunday already... :

There was time when you could safely start thinking about going to the Revival in February or March without coming up empty-handed with regard to accommodation or special tickets. This is getting a bit ridiculous.

[bradbury west]

Originally posted by Racer.Demon
[B]It's a strange sensation to see the 2008 thread coming up again while being busy making 2009 arrangements, and finding out that pre-66 parking on Lavant Bank is sold out for Saturday and Sunday already... ]

Rather later than is my custom, -usually done on renewal day-I have just booked for the 6 days for the 2009 events. Stands at the FoS are OK, as they are on a new roaming basis, buy-a-ticket-for-any-seat-any-stand, but for the Revival, the Chicane and Grandstand seats, which, like the Startline, are sold by specific seat, have been sold out for some time, I gather, and at present are still accessible only to GRRC Members. The others, Lavant Corner, Lavant Straight and the Members' are on the new roaming basis, where you do not have a guarantee of a specific seat in any stand, but the right to a seat in any of them, subject to no one else being in them already. It reminds me of the old rock concerts where your ticket is simply one of admission.

How reassuring Charles March must find it that the Recession is having no impact on his sales, and there is still a waiting list of 2500 souls for securing Membership, I gather.

Roger Lund

[Doug Nye]

Geoff did take that shot at St Mary's. Bystanders and cars are on the infield there. The old boy was very proud of this shot - one of the first he took which, had George Monkhouse taken it, he and Dick Seaman would have placed on their "wizard list".

DCN