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[Chiara]

It is a shame because there are some very good threads where the contributions from individual members are superb and you can always count on those having the most upto date news and info.

I always come here and check the F2008 thread for example, and if I happen to notice something elsewhere for other teams that hasn't been posted I'll happily pop along and put that in one of their threads.

Unfortunately with the internet because people can't see each other and there is no comeback for behaving inappropriately some elements act just how they like, it is a little bit sad really. I think people get carried away at times, and don't step back and look at the bigger picture and realise in the grand scheme of things arguing what Kimi/Lewis/Joe Bloggs did three weeks ago on a sunday for a split second is not vital to the earth revolving around the sun.

In amongst the running fanboy battles and 150 threads on the same issue with slightly different titles, there are some positive aspects too. The BB does have some of the most upto date news thanks to the contributions of some of its members, and its also nice to have a place where you can chat and discuss with fans from all teams as opposed to just being a member of a team based forum. It's also nice to have a place to go where there are some very talented and respected members who can explain and discuss some of the more technical aspects of the sport with the rest of us

[ensign14]

Originally posted by wordsby
The above post is an exact example of what is wrong with the bb............

Oh dear

Eh? What was wrong with it? Constructive criticism is always welcome...

[NineOneSeven]

I have to agree with the OP... I am struggling to find a decent thread on here. Its just a frenzy of thinly disguised hate and fanaticism. It’s a shame as this is/was a great forum. Some of the posters on here are highly informed and articulate. Its shame the fanaticism is ruining it. The conflicts on here are draining.

[rhm]

Originally posted by Maximus

I think ensign that most just have moved on from this case and are not interested in splitting hairs with a bunch of sour macca fans who think their boy was hard done by.
We have a great new GP venue for this weekend, the first night race and hopefully good racing ahead, I am looking forward to that.

That's really a perfect example of the problem users on this board. The ones that can't appreciate any argument that contradicts their view that everything bad that happens to McLaren or Hamilton is not just OK, but fantastic and they will state that black is white if it helps their idea that everything is OK in F1 as long as it goes "their way", which due to the bias at the moment, it all is.

People say "what can the mods do about it". You only have to read the threads to realise that you'd only have to remove about 3 or 4 users to completely change the tone of this board. In the meantime all the people who can actually form an argument and reason logically might as well decamp to one of the other more heavily moderated F1 forums and leave this place to the Franco's and Mafiosos and the British racists who still think it's ok to make monkey comparisons with a black man.

[Perigee]

Originally posted by ensign14

Eh? What was wrong with it? Constructive criticism is always welcome...

I think the ranting and apparent lack of self-control would be part of the criticism. It is Ok to put your point - any point - in a calm and methodical manner, which doesn't mean without emotion, but, seriously, you could almost sense the froth forming in the corners of your mouth.

Not so much "fan-boyism" admittedly, but certainly "anti-FIA-boyism", and it's no less unattractive.

[ensign14]

Where was the ranting? Exact words please.

[rookie]

Originally posted by ensign14
Where was the ranting? Exact words please.

I think wordsby / perigee was getting at that this is a thread about the quality of posting on RC and your post about the FIA and McLaren was not really necessary.

The quote you quoted was about people being upset at current events being a reason they were posting a lot. It wasn't really an invitation to take the thread into a discussion about the appeal (there are plenty of threads in RC), the chicane or whatever.

This is one thing about this BB that annoys me lately, the repetitive posting of the same argument or repetitive threads about the same thing with a different heading or different poll.

If wordsby / perigee wan't thinking that, you can take it as constructive criticism from me.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by rookie


I think wordsby / perigee was getting at that this is a thread about the quality of posting on RC and your post about the FIA and McLaren was not really necessary.

Directly related to the issue at hand. And no ranting, as is evident.

[rookie]

Originally posted by ensign14

Directly related to the issue at hand. And no ranting, as is evident.

I'm suggesting its not related to this issue at hand (quality of posts on this BB). You have started 2 threads about it in RC, and posted a lot about your thoughts, we get the picture.. I belive thats what wordsby was referring to when he said this is what's wrong with this BB.

It's certainly what annoys me about this BB at times.

[Craven Morehead]

maybe what we need is another forum wherein there are very explicit rules regarding the level posting courtesy required. Essentially a forum where any posts containing wording that is less than absolutely polite will be removed. And any poster who has say three posts removed gets banned of a good while. That way RC could remain the war zone it has become and those who pine for a 'better' forum would have a place to go.

[kar]

Originally posted by Craven Morehead
maybe what we need is another forum wherein there are very explicit rules regarding the level posting courtesy required. Essentially a forum where any posts containing wording that is less than absolutely polite will be removed. And any poster who has say three posts removed gets banned of a good while. That way RC could remain the war zone it has become and those who pine for a 'better' forum would have a place to go.

It's very easy to be quite rude while using utterly polite wording. Policing such a forum too would be a nightmare I would imagine.

[potmotr]

Is it just me, or has this forum turned into a complete mess in recent days.

Multiple threads slagging off Lewis Hamilton. What's wrong with the catch all Lewis Hamilton 2008?

[kar]

Originally posted by potmotr
Is it just me, or has this forum turned into a complete mess in recent days.

Multiple threads slagging off Lewis Hamilton. What's wrong with the catch all Lewis Hamilton 2008?

There's plenty of threads/posters slagging off Massa, the stewards, etc. etc as well.

I just think Lewis happens to be at the centre of everything these days, it's not surprising most of the feeling would be expressed in terms of him at the moment then.

Agree with you whole heartedly about emphasising the LH 2008 thread to kind of channel the discussion though.

I think perhaps rather than censoring or anything like that, just helping 'contain' the debate to single, encompassing threads, will help those that want to talk about other things not get interfered with.

[potmotr]

Originally posted by kar


I think perhaps rather than censoring or anything like that, just helping 'contain' the debate to single, encompassing threads, will help those that want to talk about other things not get interfered with.

Totally agree. The least flaming the title, the more chance of decent debate IMO.

[philhitchings]

Multiple threads is an endemic symptom of the BB from way back when but recently it seems that it has gone a little uncontrolled.

Perhaps those of us who find it objectionable should create generic threads for all drivers and all teams so that we can petition for mods to merge threads?

[Zoe]

I'd like an "ignore" mode where I can ignore all posts from posters who have just joined the forum.

Zoe

[potmotr]

Originally posted by philhitchings
Multiple threads is an endemic symptom of the BB from way back when but recently it seems that it has gone a little uncontrolled.

Perhaps those of us who find it objectionable should create generic threads for all drivers and all teams so that we can petition for mods to merge threads?

I agree it has got out of control recently. There's no greater turn off than seeing lines and lines of flaming garbage or 'Alonso has now proved his is F1's greatest ever champion' debates...

[Craven Morehead]

Originally posted by kar


It's very easy to be quite rude while using utterly polite wording. Policing such a forum too would be a nightmare I would imagine.

Well, before his meltdown, Don Capps did a pretty fine job of keeping things in line on TNF with just such a policy. It was clear that no BS would be tolerated and that if screwed around you'd be out. Seemed to work pretty good for a buncha years.

(Btw Don, if you read this, hope you're well and I'm glad you guys patched things up to some degree)

[Tony Mandara]

Originally posted by alfa1



Agreed, especially when the boards own rules prevent the very thing we're worried about. (Flame wars, name calling, trolls etc...). Most days this place is now no better than usenet.

Please let me be a moderator. I'll be banning about 50% of the people here, but the remaining conversations will be very polite, I assure you.

Valid points from (almost) everyone. I'm new to this forum, and I use my real name, so insulting people would be asking for it! But, alfa1, 50%????? So all posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others, eh? If you don't like the content, ignore it. If you find it offensive, report it. A moderator is there to moderate, not to judge before the fact.(Yes I know that's a linguistic Faux-pas!) As I said to someone recently, I have to get used to the "I like this driver and you like another, so your mum smells!!" attitude of some people, But, unfortunately, that's about as far as some people's mentality stretches!

Why worry about people who couldn't string together a discernable sentence, let alone a healthy debate??? Think of you're blood pressure!!!

[jonpollak]

Hey Zoe...you would then miss out on diamonds in the rough like Tony here....

Jp

[Tony Mandara]

Originally posted by jonpollak
Hey Zoe...you would then miss out on diamonds in the rough like Tony here....

Jp

Thanks Jp!

I'll take all the compliments I can get. My mother didn't love me enough, etc, etc..... Boohoo!

Zoe's comment is a bit strange:-

"If I've never heard from you, I don't want to hear from you!"

Elitieism (damn, spellcheck doesn't work!) Zoe? Isn't that against the point of a public forum?

I invite you to read my earlier post here.

Tony.

[benrapp]

Aaaanndd here we go again. The RC is full of the usual insult tossing, as we might have predicted. Shame, as I'd have liked an intelligent conversation about which of the two contenders deserved to be WDC, and indeed whether Kubica and Alonso were let down by their machinery and might otherwise have been convincing champions. I'd like to air the view that Alonso, despite my personal dislike of his attitude and behaviour, is perhaps the best driver in the championship at the moment - a view shared, I think, by Martin Brundle. I'd like to see if anyone agrees with me that next year could see a real change in the pecking order, with the Japanese firms poised for a big step forward.

Would anyone like to suggest somewhere I can have these conversations without everything being ruined by the educationally subnormal? Can't we at least have a subscribers-only forum so that we rule out those too young to get credit cards? Perhaps if the thumbs-up and thumbs-down emoticons were directly wired in to the mains we could thin the ranks a bit.

In all seriousness, I am really really fed up with this. How is it that TNF and the tech forum are so well behaved, and the PC is at least only badly behaved in a good way, and yet the RC is a mosh pit full of fourteen-year-old semiliterates bombed out of their heads on ritalin?

edited for uncharacteristic grammatical errors - a measure of my frustration

[Ross Stonefeld]

Welcome to the internet *shrug*

[Tony Mandara]

Part of the problem from what I can see (and we've probably all been guilty of this at some point) is that many people do not read threads before posting or starting a new thread.
Having read through most of the threads here, I have seen this discussion:

09' front wings, are they ugly or what?

being discussed in no less that FOUR different threads!! And then, lo and behold, along comes a thread entitled:

The look of F1 in 2009

Then further you have:

'Tech 'regs for 2009

This is a definite case of overkill!! (and it's just ONE example!!)

As far as trolling or personal abuse goes, well you can't really stop it. That is what a moderator is for. For their part, they can't be there all the time and, at the end of the day, everybody is entitled to an opinion whether you agree or not.

Mister benrapp

Your fustration is understandable, but this is a public forum and , as such, is prone to being patronized by the "educationally subnormal" as you so eloquently put it!!
A Forum where you cannot have an opinion if you have no credit card eh? Doesn't sound right to me (IMO of course!).
There are plenty of people here with whom you can have a perfectly reasonable discussion/debate without it degenerating into "insult tossing"

Don't let the parentally challenged grind you down!!

Regards

Tony.

[wingwalker]

I want to give a big "yay" to the state of the RC now. It looks like all the yappers went on holiday and instantly quality of posts went up by 500%, cause the valid one are not covered by constant trolling.

[Craven Morehead]

Yes, I've noticed an enourmous improvement in the RC in the off season too. Funny, huh? I completely agree with benrapp. The RC is almost a lost cause; it would be great to have another 'adult' forum where BS is not tolerated, per my previous post. This CAN be done. Leave the RC to the trolls and name-callers.

[Tony Mandara]

Aaaaannnd it all goes to sh#t again.
Races to start threads, (with a comlete faliure to make a search first, Hello duplicate threads! ) as if that's some sort of points competition. WTF is THAT all about???
The "Brawn Bashing Bandwagon" WTF is THAT all about???
And the stupid "My dad could beat up your dad" type of mentality frankly just gets on my tits.

[Ross Stonefeld]

What were you expecting?

[Tony Mandara]

Intelligent people Ross. Rather foolish of me, I know.

Tony. :

[peroa]

WTF? Why was the F60 thread closed?



Jebus, so much garbage threads around and this one is closed ...

[mel]

WTF? Why was the F60 thread closed?

The reason, and the admin who did it are clear in the thread. You may contact me anytime to discuss. This is not a thread for you to question publicly admin decisions.

[Craven Morehead]

Hey kids, I wanted to say that the new(ish) Mods seem to have tightened the net a bit in RC and there seems to be a lot less of that stuff so many of us profess to dislike (flaming/ bickering/ 'trolling'); and quite a bit more civilized thoughtful convesation even among people with differing opinions. Will wonders never cease? I realize some part of this has to do with it being the off season, and that this plays a role, but I really do think that the Mods have played a large role improving the quality (and therefore enjoyment) at RC. Job well done.

[potmotr]

Hey kids, I wanted to say that the new(ish) Mods seem to have tightened the net a bit in RC and there seems to be a lot less of that stuff so many of us profess to dislike (flaming/ bickering/ 'trolling'); and quite a bit more civilized thoughtful convesation even among people with differing opinions.

I agree, and thumbs up to the Mod team.

There must be a LOT of editing to do sometimes.