Monza 1971 - still the fastest race?
#1
Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:33
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#2
Posted 11 August 2008 - 09:10
#3
Posted 11 August 2008 - 09:10
My geuss, and it is only a geuss, is that the ovals would provide a better chance to go higher average speeds?.....
Fastest race ever? Or fastes F1 race ever?
#4
Posted 11 August 2008 - 09:11
Originally posted by NinjaMouse
Is this F1 exclusive?.....
My geuss, and it is only a geuss, is that the ovals would provide a better chance to go higher average speeds?.....
Fastest race ever? Or fastes F1 race ever?
F1.
#5
Posted 11 August 2008 - 09:16
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Posted 11 August 2008 - 09:48
#7
Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:14
The 2004 race started on a wet track - the winner started on intermediates IIRC!Originally posted by Atreiu
The 2005 race was quicker than the 2004 and only 9 seconds slower than 2003. Very impressive for an engine that had to last two weekends. Even the 2006 race was quicker than the 2004.
#8
Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:16
Well, the fastest I have ever driven a car, was 130mph on the M5.....(was late at night in a time before speed cameras....lol..)
And frankly, it scared the willies out of me......and it was pretty straight road too......
I've been on centrifuge too. SO when I put those two experiences together in my mind.....and then imagine an AVERAGE that is 20mph quicker, with some pretty serious bends thrown in....one has to say...
Wow....lol.....
Has the track changed much since then? New chicanes thrown in etc?...
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#9
Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:34
#10
Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:42
#11
Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:46
Originally posted by scheivlak
The 2004 race started on a wet track - the winner started on intermediates IIRC!
Yes.
I'm not sure how much time was lost while the track was damp, but the pace shown afterwards was frenetic anyhow.
#12
Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:57
Originally posted by Tigershark
If my conversion worked out, the Italian GPs of 2003 and 2004 finished with a higher average speed, 153.843 and 151.847 mph. It's 247.586 and 244.374 km/h anyway.
The 2003 race was the fastest ever.
#13
Posted 11 August 2008 - 13:23
Originally posted by scheivlak
The 2004 race started on a wet track - the winner started on intermediates IIRC!
Rubens started on intermediates (the only driver IIRC). He ran away from the field for about 3 or 4 laps then the tyres were shot. Schui spun on one of the early laps & fell to last place. The 2004 Ferrari was so dominant they finished 1-2 anyway w/ Rubens winning.
#14
Posted 13 August 2008 - 08:55
But post-1950, Monza 2003 as stated before is the fastest.
#15
Posted 13 August 2008 - 09:18
Accidents there were on the big side.
#16
Posted 13 August 2008 - 13:59
High pressure must win race.
Who can ever forget the 2 banging wheels through curva grande on lap1 ! Brilliant!
#17
Posted 13 August 2008 - 15:56
Originally posted by Seebär
When he won the 1937 race at the AVUS, Hermann Lang reached an average speed of about 260 km/h. Not wanting to start a debate on what's F1, and what is a Grand Prix; but that would be the fastest race.
But post-1950, Monza 2003 as stated before is the fastest.
Well, I was interested in F1 from 1950 and onwards, but that piece of information was still welcome. Given the machinery, and safety (cars and track), those figures are just awesome. I remember driving an Austin Healey from the late fifties, I believe, and to imagine people racing with a car like that, and it was prolly a much more modern car than Langs car, it is just unbelievable.
And thanks all, for the information.
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Posted 13 August 2008 - 16:37
#19
Posted 14 August 2008 - 05:29
The old record had stood for 17 years.
Juan Pablo turned the 3.6-mile track in 1 minute, 20.264 seconds.
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#20
Posted 14 August 2008 - 07:02
#21
Posted 14 August 2008 - 10:28
Originally posted by NinjaMouse
Is this F1 exclusive?.....
My geuss, and it is only a geuss, is that the ovals would provide a better chance to go higher average speeds?.....
Fastest race ever? Or fastes F1 race ever?
Rarely do over a race distance though, since the throw a caution everytime someone in the grandstand farts.
#22
Posted 14 August 2008 - 11:25
Originally posted by Dudley
Rarely do over a race distance though, since the throw a caution everytime someone in the grandstand farts.
Arie definitely got over 180mph in his first Indy victory. And I believe the record's a little higher at Michigan, before the surface became too degraded and before extreme numbers of caution flags (or just poor driving) started invading the sport in the mid-'90s.
#23
Posted 14 August 2008 - 12:04
Originally posted by Risil
Arie definitely got over 180mph in his first Indy victory. And I believe the record's a little higher at Michigan, before the surface became too degraded and before extreme numbers of caution flags (or just poor driving) started invading the sport in the mid-'90s.
There was also Montoya's Indy win.
Wasn't it one of the fastest?
#24
Posted 14 August 2008 - 18:00
#25
Posted 14 August 2008 - 20:05
The fastest race in NASCAR's history was the 1997 Winston 500 at Talladega. It was a caution-free race and had an average speed of 188.354. Mark Martin in a Ford Thunderbird was the winner.
#26
Posted 14 August 2008 - 21:11
Originally posted by Atreiu
There was also Montoya's Indy win.
Wasn't it one of the fastest?
Probably too many crashes and cautions. Certainly it took Monty a quarter of an hour longer than Luyendyk, in spite of similar qualifying speeds.
Does anyone remember what results that computer simulation came up with, when the speed of Patrese's Williams-Renault around pre-chicane Monza was estimated?
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Posted 14 August 2008 - 21:20
#28
Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:27
(NMF...just in case anyone missed it on the YouTube thread. The odd bits of resurfaced tarmac had me going for a while too!)
#29
Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:32
#30
Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:48
If not then Monza 2003 speed is even more impressive because it includes pit stops.
Edited by johnmhinds, 23 December 2009 - 10:49.
#31
Posted 23 December 2009 - 12:55
Is this F1 exclusive?.....
My geuss, and it is only a geuss, is that the ovals would provide a better chance to go higher average speeds?.....
Fastest race ever? Or fastes F1 race ever?
wow great post.
#32
Posted 23 December 2009 - 14:02
Did they have refueling/tyre stops in 1971?
If not then Monza 2003 speed is even more impressive because it includes pit stops.
And braking for several chicanes, of course.
#33
Posted 23 December 2009 - 15:24
#34
Posted 23 December 2009 - 15:47
And braking for several chicanes, of course.
I completly forgot them as well.
Has there ever been a race between F1 cars from different eras to show their relative speeds?
#35
Posted 23 December 2009 - 18:19
Is this F1 exclusive?.....
My geuss, and it is only a geuss, is that the ovals would provide a better chance to go higher average speeds?.....
Fastest race ever? Or fastes F1 race ever?
Big ovals are faster if you don't have a lot of cautions. Full course cautions and safety cars kill average speeds, but this record, stands after nearly 20 years:
Indy 500, 185.981 mph / 299.307 km/h, Netherlands Arie Luyendyk, 1990
#36
Posted 23 December 2009 - 21:09
Fastest or not, here's some superb footage that 'nmansellfan' has found.
(NMF...just in case anyone missed it on the YouTube thread. The odd bits of resurfaced tarmac had me going for a while too!)
Wow, those were the days!!!
Just imagine such a race in 2010 between Alonso, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and Massa!!!!!!
And these guys would have fun if such slipstreaming would be possible today....
Edited by aditya-now, 23 December 2009 - 21:09.
#37
Posted 23 December 2009 - 21:37
That's the Indy 500 record. This I believe is the overall record for any closed-course race....Big ovals are faster if you don't have a lot of cautions. Full course cautions and safety cars kill average speeds, but this record, stands after nearly 20 years:
Indy 500, 185.981 mph / 299.307 km/h, Netherlands Arie Luyendyk, 1990
Toyota Indy 400, 207.151 mph, Sam Hornish Jr., 2003
http://www.racing-re...2...15&series=O
There was one full-course caution for six laps.
#38
Posted 23 December 2009 - 21:43
Fastest or not, here's some superb footage that 'nmansellfan' has found.
(NMF...just in case anyone missed it on the YouTube thread. The odd bits of resurfaced tarmac had me going for a while too!)
Fantastic action!
#39
Posted 23 December 2009 - 22:24
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#40
Posted 24 December 2009 - 06:35
Yes, the track has been completely emasculated since 1971.
Well, perhaps not *completely*. To see a great track completely immasculated one need look no further than Hockenheim.
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Posted 24 December 2009 - 08:38
#42
Posted 24 December 2009 - 14:06
Wow, those were the days!!!
Just imagine such a race in 2010 between Alonso, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and Massa!!!!!!
And these guys would have fun if such slipstreaming would be possible today....
The way those guys block and weave it'd be a disaster.