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Is the FIA biased towards Ferrari?

Discuss.

[schuey100]

No, this latest decision had little to do with the FIA, it was a silly decision but the stewards made the call, not the FIA.

[AFCA]

Do you really expect a good discussion ?

The three stewards should always be the same throughout the year. That's what's about. Not three blokes that are asked to come over one odd Sunday and judge on some race indicents...

[Anomander]

Most certainly, have done for years, the past few weeks have only helped confirm that as did the Max thread where the majority of his defenders were Ferrari fans afraid they was going to lose there helping hand.

The sport stinks.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by schuey100
No, this latest decision had little to do with the FIA, it was a silly decision but the stewards made the call, not the FIA.

Who appoints the stewards?

[Dudley]

Originally posted by schuey100
No, this latest decision had little to do with the FIA, it was a silly decision but the stewards made the call, not the FIA.

Indeed, I've always argued no to this question, whether I will be able to continue to do so largely depends on how the appeal goes.

[Mika Mika]

today has changed my mind.

[lettie1974]

Definitely. Just look at Valencia Kimi didn't even get a penalty and Massa only got a measly fine which is like pocket money to him, yet today Lewis has been given a 25 sec penalty and lost the 1st place down to 3rd and personally I don't see he did anything wrong watching the TV footage.

He was forced off the track onto the run off area and came back on ahead of Kimi, realised he had made a position by doing so and visibly slowed up to let Kimi pass him, he then overtook going down the pit straight which I presume is legal?

Anyway Kimi ended up smacked into a tyre wall as he can't drive well in the wet. Am so angry, even angrier than after Valencia.

[Anomander]

Originally posted by Dudley


Indeed, I've always argued no to this question, whether I will be able to continue to do so largely depends on how the appeal goes.

Come on. Their will be no appeal.

[airwise]

Originally posted by schuey100
No, this latest decision had little to do with the FIA, it was a silly decision but the stewards made the call, not the FIA.

But you have to admit it's remarkable how this decision comes so quickly after Massa's unsafe release?

I'm gutted because the real loser here is Motor Racing. An excellent race with wonderful driving ruined by a bizarre penalty that I can't for the life of me justify - having watched the incident frame by frame over and over.

[anthony says]

Originally posted by schuey100
No, this latest decision had little to do with the FIA, it was a silly decision but the stewards made the call, not the FIA.

The head of the stewards panel nowadays is Sado-Max's right hand man. He used to be a member of the European Parliament and he has no background in motor racing. Go figure.

[Will]

I think the FIA is biased somewhat but I think the biggest factor is the change of the permanent head steward to a guy who was previously working for Ferrari- which has resulted in Ferrari escaping penalties and McLaren being a lot worse off penalty-wise in 2008.

[shonguiz]

Of course they are, remember what ecclestone said, Ferrari is F1.

[Insane111]

Bias towards Ferrari, against McLaren, I don't know what they are, except that they are a joke.

I don't want to have a go at Ferrari for this, I didn't see them do anything wrong, there is just something very very wrong in the FIA. If Charlie Whiting says its okay, then suddenly theres a punishment saying otherwise (and a BIG punishment as well), then all is not normal.

[lettie1974]

Originally posted by airwise
I'm gutted because the real loser here is Motor Racing. An excellent race with wonderful driving ruined by a bizarre penalty that I can't for the life of me justify - having watched the incident frame by frame over and over.

Totally agree, am losing my faith in it all.

[Enkei]

• Illegal Ferrari bargeboards declared legal Malaysia 1999
• Ban of McLaren third pedal, previously declared fully legal in 1999 (?)
• Berylium ban to castrate McLaren Mercedes engine for 2001
• Giving JPM a drivethru while Ferrari's Schumacher crashes into him Malaysia 2002
• Unfair Alonso penalty in Italy's Monza 2006
• Banning of Renault damper for closer 'competition' 2006
• Inconsequent ruling for pitlane safety Valencia 2008
• Honest win taken away Hamilton 2008
• Renault not being punished for industrial espionage 2007

I'm sure there's more. And the list just keeps on growing as does my disgust for the governing body of this freakshow.

[Perigee]

Decision is made by the stewards, NOT by the FIA.

That said, I can understand why somebody would post such a poll at such an emotional time.

[ensign14]

Tyregate that won Ferrari the 2003 and 2004 titles.

[Anomander]

Originally posted by Perigee
Decision is made by the stewards, NOT by the FIA.

That said, I can understand why somebody would post such a poll at such an emotional time.

Stewards are appointed by FIA, Stewards will be given their mandate by FIA
The Stewards have a Ex-Ferrari man as their head Steward.

[Enzo#1]

On racedays I really believe only mods should be allowed to start new threads.

Stop these stupid polls!

[Wouter]

Originally posted by Enkei

• Illegal Ferrari bargeboards declared legal Malaysia 1999
• Ban of McLaren third pedal, previously declared fully legal in 1999 (?)
• Berylium ban to castrate McLaren Mercedes engine for 2001
• Giving JPM a drivethru while Ferrari's Schumacher crashes into him Malaysia 2002
• Unfair Alonso penalty in Italy's Monza 2006
• Banning of Renault damper for closer 'competition' 2006
• Inconsequent ruling for pitlane safety Valencia 2008
• Honest win taken away Hamilton 2008
• Renault not being punished for industrial espionage 2007

I'm sure there's more. And the list just keeps on growing as does my disgust for the governing body of this freakshow.

Seconded. The FIA is corrupt.

[windoesnot]

Originally posted by Enkei

• Illegal Ferrari bargeboards declared legal Malaysia 1999
• Ban of McLaren third pedal, previously declared fully legal in 1999 (?)
• Berylium ban to castrate McLaren Mercedes engine for 2001
• Giving JPM a drivethru while Ferrari's Schumacher crashes into him Malaysia 2002
• Unfair Alonso penalty in Italy's Monza 2006
• Banning of Renault damper for closer 'competition' 2006
• Inconsequent ruling for pitlane safety Valencia 2008
• Honest win taken away Hamilton 2008
• Renault not being punished for industrial espionage 2007

I'm sure there's more. And the list just keeps on growing as does my disgust for the governing body of this freakshow.

To add:
Michelin tyres in 2003
Indy-gate, 2005
Change of tyre rules in 2006 (no longer single set for qualy and race) because Ferrari wasnt competitive
Schumacher binning DC off with no penalty, 1998, argentina

Basically, the rule book as it stands says you may race against any team in F1 bar Ferrari. Should you try this, we cant promise not to crap all over you.

[Anomander]

http://www.carter-ru...llJudgment.html

[ensign14]

Originally posted by windoesnot


To add:
Michelin tyres in 2003
Indy-gate, 2005
Change of tyre rules in 2006 (no longer single set for qualy and race) because Ferrari wasnt competitive
Schumacher binning DC off with no penalty, 1998

And appealing its own stewards that found the Honda fuel tank legal, when Ferrari had the exact same thing.

[GerardF1]

Add in the infamous taking your stop and go penalty after the race is over. Britain ( can't remember the year)


The list go on and on

[Lukin83]

Originally posted by Enkei

• Illegal Ferrari bargeboards declared legal Malaysia 1999
• Ban of McLaren third pedal, previously declared fully legal in 1999 (?)
• Berylium ban to castrate McLaren Mercedes engine for 2001
• Giving JPM a drivethru while Ferrari's Schumacher crashes into him Malaysia 2002
• Unfair Alonso penalty in Italy's Monza 2006
• Banning of Renault damper for closer 'competition' 2006
• Inconsequent ruling for pitlane safety Valencia 2008
• Honest win taken away Hamilton 2008
• Renault not being punished for industrial espionage 2007

I'm sure there's more. And the list just keeps on growing as does my disgust for the governing body of this freakshow.

Wait, there were more in 2007.

• The crane
• Giving Kubica a drivethru while McLaren's Hamilton crashes into him
• Hamilton, Vettel, Safety Car...

Somehow topics about FIA bias always lack an info about these. I agree the penalty for Hamilton is BS though.

P.S. Also Glock was penalised today. His one point goes to Webber: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/70397

[lettie1974]

Originally posted by Enzo#1
On racedays I really believe only mods should be allowed to start new threads.

Stop these stupid polls!

Whatever happened to free speech? Thats what forums are for isn't it?

[Ocelot]

And appealing its own stewards that found the Honda fuel tank legal, when Ferrari had the exact same thing.

I cannot see it as very clever the FIA making a controversial decision now which will draw more attention on Mosley

[windoesnot]

Originally posted by ensign14

And appealing its own stewards that found the Honda fuel tank legal, when Ferrari had the exact same thing.

after that happened after Imola and B.A.R (as they were known then) were excluded for 2 races, I attended the Monaco GP with a shirt that said "B.A.R barred, WHY?" on the front and "Because theyre not Ferrari" on the back.

A lot of fans agreed with the shirt, however it was funny when a bunch of irate Ferrari "fans" began hurling abuse at me and those with me, no doubt upset at how crap they were that day.

[pingu666]

yeah i do think they are

i thought the massa pitlane thing was pretty much a non event tbh

[windoesnot]

Originally posted by GerardF1
Add in the infamous taking your stop and go penalty after the race is over. Britain ( can't remember the year)


The list go on and on

That was 1998 when Schumacher was given a stop-go for overtaking under yellow flags. I was there that day (and got soaked) , how someone can be given such a penalty and take it after they have officially ended their race shows everything we need to know.

[Galko877]

Originally posted by Enkei

• Illegal Ferrari bargeboards declared legal Malaysia 1999
• Ban of McLaren third pedal, previously declared fully legal in 1999 (?)
• Berylium ban to castrate McLaren Mercedes engine for 2001
• Giving JPM a drivethru while Ferrari's Schumacher crashes into him Malaysia 2002
• Unfair Alonso penalty in Italy's Monza 2006
• Banning of Renault damper for closer 'competition' 2006
• Inconsequent ruling for pitlane safety Valencia 2008
• Honest win taken away Hamilton 2008
• Renault not being punished for industrial espionage 2007

I'm sure there's more. And the list just keeps on growing as does my disgust for the governing body of this freakshow.

What about Hamilton getting away with dubious situations last season? Hamilton pretty much looked like the FIA's favourite boy last year...

[Ghostrider]

No.

[Galko877]

Originally posted by Lukin83


Wait, there were more in 2007.

• The crane
• Giving Kubica a drivethru while McLaren's Hamilton crashes into him
• Hamilton, Vettel, Safety Car...

Somehow topics about FIA bias always lack an info about these. I agree the penalty for Hamilton is BS though.

P.S. Also Glock was penalised today. His one point goes to Webber: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/70397

[Ocelot]

Given what has happened this year with the revealtions about Mosley and the events of today, I will be rolling on the floor with laughter if Mcaren wins this year

[Will]

The true test of FIA bias will be if McLaren get an extra penalty for having dared to appeal ;)

[Anomander]

don't forget allowing Ferrari to make the most engine changes while disallowing the same changes for Renault.

[PassWind]

Well I think this sums up how ******** some people are and don't actually live in reality but a contrived world fed by media and the out of control musings of a internet forum.

Collective uppercuts all round and wake the **** up, the stupidity around here is suffocating.

[lettie1974]

Originally posted by Ocelot
Given what has happened this year with the revealtions about Mosley and the events of today, I will be rolling on the floor with laughter if Mcaren wins this year

Me too I will love it!

[CaptnMark]

Originally posted by Will
The true test of FIA bias will be if McLaren get an extra penalty for having dared to appeal ;)

Ahh, yes. The old Jacques Villenueve appendix of the FIA rules.

[roger44]

anybody know how to send messages to the FIA, their website doesnt allow contact by email.

I for one am truly pissed of, that is disgraceful.

[Enkei]

Try maxxxhardcore@fia.com

Edit, on a more serious note, pretty sure they have an info@fia.com

[Ocelot]

Me too I will love it!

And what's the betting that Ferrari will appeal that McLaren victory for whatever reason?!

[Wingnut]

Dictatorships rarely have or need an email address.

[Pingguest]

I don't think the FIA is biased. Remember Schumacher's penalty in Monaco 2006. Remember the 2003 rule changes. The FIA is an organization with incompetence and is only interested in making the championship artificially entertaining.

[lettie1974]

Originally posted by Ocelot


And what's the betting that Ferrari will appeal that McLaren victory for whatever reason?!

Yeah I can see it now!

[sa87uk]

am i completely missing the point here, is there actually a reason for appointing different stewerts for each reason? why don't the use the same blokes every race?

[Kenaltgr]

Originally posted by Enkei

• Illegal Ferrari bargeboards declared legal Malaysia 1999
• Ban of McLaren third pedal, previously declared fully legal in 1999 (?)
• Berylium ban to castrate McLaren Mercedes engine for 2001
• Giving JPM a drivethru while Ferrari's Schumacher crashes into him Malaysia 2002
• Unfair Alonso penalty in Italy's Monza 2006
• Banning of Renault damper for closer 'competition' 2006
• Inconsequent ruling for pitlane safety Valencia 2008
• Honest win taken away Hamilton 2008
• Renault not being punished for industrial espionage 2007

I'm sure there's more. And the list just keeps on growing as does my disgust for the governing body of this freakshow.

[*] Banning Michelins wide tyre with 4 races left after the FIA said it was legal in Monaco 2003. End result, handicapped Williams/McLaren and handed another undeserving fake WDC to Schumacher and Ferrari.

[BMW_F1]

Originally posted by Kenaltgr


[*] Banning Michelins wide tyre with 4 races left after the FIA said it was legal in Monaco 2003. End result, handicapped Williams/McLaren and handed another undeserving fake WDC to Schumacher and Ferrari.

as a Montoya fan that was cruel..

[carbonfibre]

Yes ofcourse, ferrari finances the FIA and get's some in return you all know that right...